Communist Uribe Haters at PBH

dwmte7 says on Aug 31, 2009, 05:29:

precious LORD! is it any wonder.....does it come as a surprise why i have absolutely no appitite for politics?

patriarch

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davidslc46 says on Aug 31, 2009, 05:41:

I have always hoped that the numbers of extremists whether right or left will preclude them from really ever being able to change the fact that good ultimately defeats bad even if it takes longer then anyone wishes.

David

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Bill Turley (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 31, 2009, 05:52:

ferran says on Aug 31, 2009, 05:59:

David, isn't that the real fact, light will overcome darkness. Evil may come in many disguises and time will reveal the real face behind the mask. We have heard the phrase "it was a necessary evil" and yes, we do have to see the face of evil in order to learn and understand what is good and rightful.
If manipulation, control, deceit and corruption are the symptoms of an evil entity or system, than all governments and political movements are plain evil and will eventually have its demised.

All truth goes through three phases. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self evident.

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dwmte7 says on Aug 31, 2009, 06:14:

we haven't gone far in this thread, but i find it pleasantly surprising that all are in agreement.

patriarch

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aztec says on Aug 31, 2009, 06:37:

Communist/Capitalist system is an oxymoron!

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davidslc46 says on Aug 31, 2009, 06:39:

ferran,

But all men have the potential for manipulation, control, deceit and corruption. You hope for a sytem that can correct itself.

The truth should be found somewhere between the two extremes.

David

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Bill Turley (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 31, 2009, 06:55:

dwmte7 says on Aug 31, 2009, 06:59:

oh hell.............just tell em all to listen to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqrogegV1lw

patriarch

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dguittar says on Aug 31, 2009, 07:47:

Lo siento mi español no es muy buena, pero me costó mucho entender esto. Su punto parece ser que la distribución del ingreso y la influencia de los avances económicos del clima politico? Obama fue elegido por un electorado que quería un cambio y una mayor transparencia en el gobierno. Él tiene varios temas de la agenda social, la atención universal de salud, la inmigración y las cuestiones ambientales. Era su organización política y el descontento general con la guerra de Irak y la economía que lo lanzó a ganar la elección. Nacionalizó una de las mayores corporaciones del mundo (General Motors), pero no dio miles de millones a los más ricos de los bancos?
Izquierda o la derecha depende de si usted está mirando hacia el norte o el sur!

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SlyFrancis says on Aug 31, 2009, 08:04:

Let me guess this straight, the United States has it's first black president and now all hell is going to break loose and we are going down a road to socialism. Absolute bullshit from people who watch Fox News and listen to Rush "bullshit" Limbaugh. Let's blame it on the black people. Absolute crock. Like the previous administration did not almost take the planet down the flames. Come on get real Bill.

"If you won't stand for something, you will fall for anything"

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davidslc46 says on Aug 31, 2009, 08:20:

Let me guess this straight, the United States has it's first black president and now all hell is going to break loose and we are going down a road to socialism. Absolute bullshit from people who watch Fox News and listen to Rush "bullshit" Limbaugh. Let's blame it on the black people. Absolute crock. Like the previous administration did not almost take the planet down the flames. Come on get real Bill.

SF,

You did not have to play the race card. Okay looking at your avatar, maybe you did. Not everybody who opposes the presidents goals are white or racist. Many of us were excited that because he won, maybe the race card will not have to be played as often.

David

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esanch36 says on Aug 31, 2009, 08:31:

aahhhhhh shoooott...no he didnt...no he did not...fancis played the race card.....snapppss

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dguittar says on Aug 31, 2009, 08:43:

azunoman
"my understanding of the Communist/Capitalist systems...is they will one day reach an indistinguishable equilibrium"
Very astute azunoman. In physics they call this "entropy"

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greg17 says on Aug 31, 2009, 08:58:

Majority rule and minority rights is a basic foundation of democracy. Just because the Republicans don't have the majority any more doesn't mean they don't have a say. Why don't look at their terrible leadership under GB and blame themselves. They had their chance and they blew it in a big way. Now all they do is whine on how unfairly they are being treated.

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tasco66 says on Aug 31, 2009, 09:08:

Mao was a right winger according to BK…

The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev)

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luce says on Aug 31, 2009, 09:08:

Actually the President has less to do with the country than Congress. Congress during Bush years was Democratic. I find alot of fault with many things Bush did and I'm not one of his big fans (though I did vote for him over Al Gore or John Kerry as "lesser of the 2 evils"). The Congress AND the Prez right now are Demo, so there's no "balance" and all the room for "extremism" by the Dems.

Loyal to both.

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greg17 says on Aug 31, 2009, 09:14:

The Congress was Republican during Bush's first 6 years, only his last 2 were Democratic.

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miamimike says on Aug 31, 2009, 10:21:

Anyone wonder where we would have been as far as a "Road to ruin" if some dunce such as GW Bush had another 4 years and a chance to start another War like Iraq? Anyone remember the Nice Surplus of Billions GW Bush was left in 2001 and how fast he blew it(surplus) and started us on the road to ruin plunging us into debt? Now that's scary,,,The Road GW Bush was leading us down,,,Thank God he didn't have another term and US Voters(majority) didn't allow another Duo like McCain/Palin into office to rubberstamp his(bush) Game Plan for 4 more years. That is really the issue,,,

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miamimike says on Aug 31, 2009, 10:23:

luce says "Congress during Bush years was Democratic"
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Not by a long shot. Only from 2006 was the Congress Democratic and even then, it was not a Veto Proof majority, that is, sufficient votes to sustain a Bush Veto. Suggest you review the info in the below link on who was & wasn't in the Congressional Majority during Bush's time in office.

http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Majority_M...

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dwmte7 says on Aug 31, 2009, 10:58:

damn, the dogs are scrappin again. my mutt ain't in this fray, i'm gonna sit back and watch while you fellas tougue lash each other to death and who's ever standin at the end i'm gonna ask to go by beers as the SS checks don't come in until tomorrow. soooooo, go ahead, have at it.

patriarch

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Chriscan (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 31, 2009, 11:30:

miamimike says on Aug 31, 2009, 12:02:

Chriscan says "If you don't believe in some socialism, who is to build the roads and schools."

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Chriscan, good points! If you were referring to me, I simply was pointing out an error made by another poster on who ws the congressional majority from 2001-2006. See my Link as evidence. How about the US Mlitary? Its administered by the Government, it(military) has a socialist type healthcare system, it(military) is funded by the Taxpayer, otherwise then a few user fees a Military branch like the Coast Guard imposes. same for the VA Medical system,,, How about NASA who put us on the Moon First?

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SlyFrancis says on Aug 31, 2009, 13:44:

No race card was played here. Since Obama is not a magician I guess he would be looked as a failure to many right wingers. The real truth is that the US has been on a road to ruin or should I say of becoming a third world country for a long time. In the interest of corporate greed, the people have been sold out by politicians on both sides. In this argument about universal health care, I think that americans should be demanding the same health plans that congress gets. No more, no less. Of course if we did not have police, firemen, teachers, social security, medicare and other goverment programs we can get rid of any aspect of socialism in our present form of goverment. Enough said.

"If you won't stand for something, you will fall for anything"

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davidslc46 says on Aug 31, 2009, 14:06:

SF Says

No race card was played here.

Fair enough, I am sorry I so focused in on the comment " blame it on the blacks " One of the cool things about living in Colombia is that you can be free from so much of the burden of the prejudging of people. Everything is refreshingly different.

Maybe you as a black man will think this is corny or something worse. But I spent a week in North Carolina this month and after which I commented on how I felt for the first time in my life a peacefulness or niceness from every average black person I interacted with. Maybe it is just me who has changed, but I grew up in inner city Seattle and was going to Meany Junior High which was about 85% black at the time the week that Martin Luther King was assasinated. I felt the fallout from that event. Maybe colombia changes you that much. But that trip to NC I felt as something had freed black people to risk more in the way of courtesies towards me and my family. I concluded that the Presidency of Obama regardless of whether his policies succeed or fail was a very good thing for our country.

But never forget that without Bush there would not have been Obama.

Peace and respect!

David

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tasco66 says on Aug 31, 2009, 14:32:

"I wish I could get the same health care that Congress gets"

I wish I could get the same salary and all the fringe benefits that Congress gets...

The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev)

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dwmte7 says on Aug 31, 2009, 14:43:

the conressmen and women can even get cosmetic surgery, cosmetic dentistry,.....basically any thing they want. and those nice leaders of ours--forget side of the aisle issues--don't pay into soc. sec. they get a better deal....pay for life. how do you like that. and they fight over issues as trivial as whether the common u.s. citizen should have health care? hmmmm

they fight for the insurers...... tiny side note......five hundred billion dollars of the monies spent on health care nationally goes to profits to insurers. so the actual bill for health care is less than half of all the yelling they are doing. i mean, a paltry 500 billion....pretty soon we're talking real money. these prepago congresmen/women are all bought by the insurers. period. i don't care who you voted for.
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patriarch

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dwmte7 says on Aug 31, 2009, 15:12:

yep....we got the best cross-burnin bar b ques imaginable. just kidding.

patriarch

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greg17 says on Aug 31, 2009, 15:59:

You back Mongo?

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phillyguy says on Aug 31, 2009, 17:00:

Three things:

1. Both parties are trying their best to turn this country into a banana republic. The republicans say "to hell with the deficit, we're cutting taxes". The democrats say ""to hell with the deficit, we're raising spending. But by any measures Obama's deficits are INSANE. To be adding on more and more spending when the economy is in the shitter due to overindebteness (by consumers, businesses and government alike), is ludicrous.


2. The govenment cannot pay for the current system of socialized medicine. Medicare and Medicaide have something like 30 trillion in unfunded liabilities coming down the road, so what is washington's solution? Add more people to the system through a public option.

3. Not sure where dwmte gets his figures, but the assertion that "500 hundred billion dollars of the monies spent on health care nationally goes to profits to insurers" is untrue by any measure. The 500 billion figure is closer to the total REVENUE recieved by health insurance companies. According to the Wall Street Journal article, below, over 83% of these reveues went for hospital and doctor reimbursements. After salaries and other operating expenses are deducted, profit margins are in the 4% range. See here:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124947013703607453.html

Even a source hostile to the private insurers, National Public Radio, estimates industry profits as between "2 to 10 percent" of revenues. Considering the source, the 4% figure cited by the wsj seems about right.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=111494182

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miamimike says on Aug 31, 2009, 17:05:

dwmte7 says on Aug 31, 2009, 14:43 (today): flag

the conressmen and women can even get cosmetic surgery, cosmetic dentistry,.....basically any thing they want. and those nice leaders of ours--forget side of the aisle issues--don't pay into soc. sec. they get a better deal
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Douglas--Some of your above statements are factually incorrect. For starters--the Congressmen/women have the same choice of Health Care Plans that any other Federal worker elects to receive. They do NOT get anything they want. If they (congressman)elect not to participate and contribute to the cost in the FEHBP(fed employee heath benefit plan) they receive Nada, Zip Zilch, Nothing as far as healthcare. Depending on what Insurance Plan they seect, they may pay up to 40-50% of the Monthly premium. A Friend of mine at the Miami VA pays $450 monthly for her Blue Cross Plan. A Congressman would pay the same. And that's their right, to refuse. If they are Vets, they can go to the VA or Walter Reed. Second--On Plastic Surgery--they would receive it like any other Federal Employee IF its called for as in Reconstructive Surgery, say from Cancer, Accidents ect. NO Federal Employee, Congressman, Senator or a Janitor in the VA System CANNOT just walk in and ask for Liposcution, Breast enchancement ect. Simply Untrue and without proof. Ditto for Dental work, they(congressmen) are allowed ONLY what their Plans allows each year. They do NOT receive Unlimited Dental. No way Jose. 3) On SS Benefits--wrong. Congressmen/Senators or any other Federal Employee, prior to 1986 participated ONLY in the old CRRS(civil service retirement system--a defined benefit plan). After 1986, any new Federal Employee or Congressman, Senator had to go into the New Federal Retirement Plan named FIRS. Under this new plan(now 23 years old) approx half of your Pension deductions are diverted into SS, the other into a 401K Type plan. People enrolled in the old CSRS were allowed to opt out of the old CSRS plan and could elect to enroll into the new FIRS plan. These are the facts and if there is any doubt, google it far different from what you post.

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lampltr says on Aug 31, 2009, 17:21:

I'm with you Bill, the U.S. is in such a cess pool right now, sadly no believe a massive turnaround can be made. After nearly 30 years in the military, I received a letter from the VA stating my entitlement is cut 2011, and this is just half of it, screw em all, you made the right move many years ago as I had begun in 2004.

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miamimike says on Aug 31, 2009, 17:27:

Mongo2--Glad to hear you would support a plan where you would get the same Healthcare Congres gets. That is one of the Proposals under study now. Welcome Aboard.

An increasing number of lawmakers, among them Senators John Breaux (D-LA), Connie Mack (R-FL), and Ron Wyden (D-OR), have shown an interest in reforming Medicare by introducing key features of the health care system that covers Members of Congress and over 9 million other federal employees and retirees. This program—the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP)—has been attracting a great deal of attention recently, including a day of hearings before the Senate Finance Committee ******. Using the FEHBP as the foundation for Medicare reform would be compatible with the outline of reform now being prepared by the leadership in both houses of Congress. *********************

This growing interest is hardly surprising. The FEHBP and Medicare both are large programs run by the federal government, but the similarity ends there. The FEHBP is not experiencing the severe financial problems faced by Medicare. It is run by a very small bureaucracy that, unlike Medicare's, does not try to set prices for doctors and hospitals. It offers choices of modern benefits and private plans to federal retirees (and active workers) that are unavailable in Medicare. It provides comprehensive information to enrollees. And it uses a completely different payment system that blends a formula with negotiations to achieve a remarkable level of cost control while constantly improving benefits and enjoying wide popularity.


http://www.heritage.org/research/healthcare/bg1123.cfm

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dwmte7 says on Aug 31, 2009, 17:47:

heh mike...thanks the clarification...that's what i get for listening to what i hear. some journalist on tv. sorry.
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patriarch

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miamimike says on Aug 31, 2009, 18:13:

Doug--yep those FOX TV guys are really putting out Misinformation these days. If that is the station you get your news from, I'm not saying it is BTW. Why doesn't Fox infform the public one of the ideas/proposals is the FEHBP(Federal empoyees plan) but as that is the truth, it would fly in the face of their Braodcasting Mentality to report the Truth. Fair and Balanced Broadcasting FOX Ain't,,,

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utopiacowboy says on Aug 31, 2009, 20:56:

Wait a second. So the guys who have nationalized all the banks along with AIG and taken over GM and Chrysler and bailed out Goldman Sachs, those guys aren't Commies? I'm confused.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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utopiacowboy says on Aug 31, 2009, 20:58:

"You experienced southern hospitality. Despite how movies, T.V., and the media portray us, the South is quite civilized, and in many ways, less racist than other parts of the U.S."

Yeah, you're right, we always treated our darkies a lot better than those uppity Yankees did. And those people liked picking cotton!

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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poco says on Aug 31, 2009, 22:46:

Quote: Nothing Byron posts should ever be taken seriously again, given that he will post crap from these unreconstructed commie whackos,
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Damn: Plagiarized crap you say,,, who'd of thunk it.

Colombian Chickens are crowing about the new President of the U.S. who will assure that From each according to their ability to each according to their need.

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miamimike says on Sep 1, 2009, 00:20:

Antithesis says on Aug 31, 2009, 22:20: flag

Why the fuck do you all expend so much energy on this nonsense? You are not going to change a fucking thing. Do you really think your leftwing and rightwing idealism matters? What a fucking joke. Grab a fucking beer and your (nearest) loved one and fucking relax. There are many more important things passing you by while you worry and write about this bullshit.
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miamimike says on Sep 1, 2009, 04:21:

Antithesis--IS that your statement??

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dwmte7 says on Sep 1, 2009, 11:28:

well, i sat down, shut up, closed my eyes, stuck a finger in my ass....and later, antithesis, when i opened up again, nothing had changed. damn.

i'm going to plan b.

patriarch

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dwmte7 says on Sep 1, 2009, 11:29:

i think i'll just vote "no" on "yes"...maybe that's the answer.

patriarch

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SlyFrancis says on Sep 1, 2009, 20:56:

Hmmm seems that Utopiacowboy crawled out of the cesspool that he lives in. I am retired with full health care benefits but still I have to pay the doctor out of my pocket because the insurance company clerk wants to set the rate that they will pay the doctor. This is absolute bullshit. Insurance is suppose to cover cost after you meet the deductible but they find a way not to pay. I am for a single payer option. I believe healthcare is a basic right for all americans. So add it to all the other socialist programs that we presently have. It's about time we look out for our neighbor and from what I have seen the biggest opponents of universal healthcare are the so called "Christians". Fucking hippocrites.

"If you won't stand for something, you will fall for anything"

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El Expatriado says on Sep 2, 2009, 02:46:

Yeah, I agree, Chavez is a wing- nut. And we have a wing-nut named Elmo on the left supporting him, and a wing- nut on the right, Named Tasco, obsessed with him, and stating the obvious over, and over and over... kinda like the energy bunny.

The reason why wing nuts on the left get in , is because the middle class Latin Americans don't try to take care of the poor in the first place. Just leave them the way they are, treat them like shit, and soon, dissension rises, and up pops the wing nut, just like in Germany in the 30s.

From what I have seen, and having talked to many many (mostly poor ) Colombians, Uribe is trying (within his limited resources) to help the situation, at least by increasing security and some limited social programs (I know of examples of these, but don't have time tot to get into it). He may have previous links to Paras, and arocities may have occured under his watch, but I believe he did not have previous knowledge of these, or at least control. Easy to believe in a chaotic, mountainess violent mess that is Colombia.

I surewouldn't classify Uribe as "hard right" just because he is a US ally, and an ex Bush buddy. Rather a pragmatist centralist, Closer to DeSilva in Brazil.

I am sure some of the Lleft Wing Wing-Nuts" out there will take issue to this.

Shouldn't talk politics anyway. They can track your IP address.

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dwmte7 says on Sep 2, 2009, 04:53:

i'm muckin about in the dark here.....what was this thread about? healthcare, chavez, commies, haters, motherfuckers?
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patriarch

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Rocco81 says on Sep 4, 2009, 10:58:

Fuck Obama...I dont care what race his high yellowness claims (said in jest you watchdog leftists) but really, he is doing more socialist natured things than anyone ever. I didn't like Bush and I don't like Obama. Matter of fact I don't trust most politicians but its not abou what I think or like, or any of us really...its about what these schanders can pull over on the American public.

Same as Chavez...you guys need to go back and look at what he did to convince people to vote for him. He had teams go out and register people and tell them how to vote (if we still register names of dead folk here what do you think happend there) . Then for the poor who could read (the ones that don't reside in the Jungle) he promised free and great healthcare, new cars, new houses. now we know that wouldn't happen, but take someone with no education and maybe you can pull that off. When he didn't deliver he just blamed it on the rich Venezualans that those people already resent anyways. Its not that difficult. He appealed to the masses heart strings, but its all just a lie. He has a special place in Hell beside Ted Kennedy and Dahmer for taking advantage of the poor Venezualan people.

Shame on him...exploiting and using the very Indio's he claims to love and embrace. I guess in the Tribal view of things, Chavez really is the big chief...he gets the riches the spoils and you either follow him or pay the price.

Sic semper tyrannis

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romy says on Sep 4, 2009, 11:10:

Rocco apparently you want to 'Fuck' everyone... is there anybody that you don't want to 'Fuck'?

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Rocco81 says on Sep 4, 2009, 12:39:

Probably everyone but you Romy.

I really don't use that word on PBH that much..but perhaps you've been following me elsewhere in a more gloves off environment...no se. But feel free to drop by sometime and say hi next time I'm fuckin' around over on another site.

xoxo - Rocco

Sic semper tyrannis

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dwmte7 says on Sep 4, 2009, 13:04:

here we go again...............................

patriarch

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Rocco81 says on Sep 4, 2009, 13:12:

Dougfather (That is your new name by the way) The DougFather.... I dont know where that comment was coming from? I don't curse that much on PBH. Perhaps there is some sort of confusion that needs to be straightened out. Perhaps it was simply wishful flirtation on the part of Romy. I really have never chatted to him. Is he gay for real?

Sic semper tyrannis

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tasco66 says on Sep 4, 2009, 15:12:

How do you tell a Communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin.

And how do you tell an Anti-communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin

The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev)

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tasco66 says on Sep 4, 2009, 15:29:

A socialist, a capitalist and a communist agreed to meet. The socialist was late. "Excuse me for being late, I was standing in a queue for sausages."

"And what is a queue?" the capitalist asked.

"And what is a sausage?" the communist asked.

The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev)

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tasco66 says on Sep 4, 2009, 15:29:

One man to another: "Because of communism I will have a plane!"

"What do you need a plane for?"

"Well what if suddenly, say, flour is being given out in Kalug. Fly for half an hour--and I'm there!"

The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev)

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utopiacowboy says on Sep 5, 2009, 07:41:

"Now, I know you are really old utopiacowboy, and perhaps that is why you are confused, but slavery ended in the South after the Civil War. Don't you remember that? That was when you actually had to start looking for a girlfriend instead of buying one."

You're quite mistaken. The damm Yankees continue to buy girlfriends in Colombia. And BTW, it would help if you knew your history, several of the states which did not seek independence in the War for Southern Independence also had slavery including Kentucky, Delaware, Maryland and Missouri.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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romy says on Sep 5, 2009, 08:58:

Rocco, I guess you didn't get it... If you were confused because you actually intended sexual context when you stated "Fuck Obama", then my apologies as I understood the word 'Fuck' as childish slur with oedipus complex. I was specifically referring to your comment here, and simply asking you who you liked.
You are a hateful mut and I've seen the action at the viva dogpound, which doesn't suit my style. I'm not going to say I'm superior to the uneducated, just different and I think that's ok. But I won't join the pound, as it would be a waste of time to attempt a debate there. I will continue to visit from time to time for a good laugh though, especially when you guys are discussing that mystical creature that is 'Romy' hahaha.

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goin_south says on Sep 5, 2009, 09:08:

"an inspiring drawing featuring Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin and Mao,"

I'm quite surprised, there wasn't also included a photo of ModeFoqu sharing his retirement check with some poor Venezeulan Injuns or nyc panhandlers.

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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tasco66 says on Sep 5, 2009, 09:32:

A guest lecturer was giving a lecture about the ever-growing prosperity of the Soviet people.

In the back row Rabinovich put up his hand. "Comrade lecturer, what you say is very interesting, but if we're so prosperous, where has all the meat gone?"

The next day the guest lecturer was giving another lecture on the ever-growing prosperity of the Soviet people.

In the back row Haimovich puts up his hand. "Comrade lecturer, what you say is very interesting, and I don't care about the lack of meat, but where has Rabinovich gone?"

The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev)

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tasco66 says on Sep 5, 2009, 09:32:

In America, you can always find party...but in communist regimes...

THE PARTY FINDS YOU!!

The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev)

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Rocco81 says on Sep 5, 2009, 10:04:

Romy the debates on other sites don't belong here. Just so you know I've never even mentioned your name there I know others have problems with you, but it doesn't concern me. I don't know you and could less about who you are or what you do. Obviously you seem to think you know me though and want to follow me. Thanks ... should I be flattered?

The other places you're talking about things got stirred up ..it happens. Sorry if my politics dont fall in line with yours and my language toward someone else in a debate huwt Romy's feewings..

I do like your attempt at being clever with the Oedipus complex thing....again don't overthink things so much it just makes you look more desperate. Perhaps if you spoke better English you would understand that saying in its context which is used quite frequently in North America.

Oh and Im a hateful mut? Uhmm Ok. Again if I have a problem with someone somewhere else this should not concern you, but you can have it how you want it and since we're using dog references , Im a mut and you're just a little bitch. Come on down to DC and visit me homie.

Sic semper tyrannis

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utopiacowboy says on Sep 5, 2009, 10:08:

AmeriKKKa sucks ass. You dumbfucks are all slaves of the new USSA now.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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Rocco81 says on Sep 5, 2009, 10:12:

Its funny how you can say AmeriKKKa when we have a black president and sadly are moving closer to socialism every day. Not really inline with Klan train of thought last time I checked.

Wouldn't USSA and AmeriKKKA be directly opposite idoelogically?

And you can always move back to Canada ..why are you living and working here if you hate it so much? Not flaming you, just a simple question.

Sic semper tyrannis

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manINred says on Sep 5, 2009, 10:47:

"One of the cool things about living in Colombia is that you can be free from so much of the burden of the prejudging of people."

Come again? I guess no one spotted this because in Colombia, life works as one giant prejudice. For example, when getting jobs, you have to send your resume including a picture of yourself and barrio estrata that you live/grew up in.

If you're black or very indio, you are already on a lower rung of the societal ladder. If you are white, you are the chimba, and society treats you better.

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romy says on Sep 5, 2009, 14:14:

Take it how you want Rocco, I wouldn't follow you anywhere. My interest in the viva dogpound is strictly for its comedic content. Perhaps if you showed me any trace of intelligence, instead of an intent to fuck public figures then I wouldn't mind learning from a political ideology different than mine. You see that's the nature of a liberal, to understand issues from various perspectives. Even the limited viewpoint that wants to fuck obama.
I have no freaking clue about who you argue with here or elsewhere, wtf are you thinkinking?
Are you blind deaf, or stupid?
As I clearly said "I was specifically referring to your comment here, and simply asking you who you liked. ". Are you often confused and paranoid?

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Rocco81 says on Sep 5, 2009, 16:21:

You asked me who I didn't want to "F" insinuating multiple instances of me using this word. I don't normally say that type of thing on PBH and as such you must be pulling information from other places which you have already admitted to anyways, by talking about other posts I made in an argument at another site.



______________________________________________________________________

From Romy: You are a hateful mut and I've seen the action at the viva dogpound, which doesn't suit my style. I'm not going to say ...

I will continue to visit from time to time for a good laugh though, especially when you guys are discussing that mystical creature that is 'Romy' hahaha.

Are you blind deaf, or stupid?

___________________________________________________________________

Yet another contradiction in your silly posts?

From Romy: Are you blind deaf, or stupid?

As I clearly said "I was specifically referring to your comment here, and simply asking you who you liked. ". Are you often confused and paranoid?

Sic semper tyrannis

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Rocco81 says on Sep 5, 2009, 16:26:

Did you or did you not mention my posts at other sites to support your claim about me on this site? Don't run and lie now little boy man up, something Im sure that is alien to you.

Again it seems you're stalking me and further more you started the insults by calling me a mut. So again I ask you Romy you scared little bitch..what did I say and when did I ever personally attack you, outside now of course because you are an irritating little passive aggressive pussy.

Also I do happen to have an independant political view and have had many open discussions about politics, religion etc without stooping to attacks or name calling. As I mentioned before, I never jumped on the Anti-Romy bandwagon because I had no reason to care. Your problem with someone else doesn't matter to me, but now I see what kind of guy you are. I realize why you are hated.

Sic semper tyrannis

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romy says on Sep 6, 2009, 07:16:

You were the one that brought up the 'other' site. And I don't lie, so I told you that I have visited it, however I made no specific reference to anything that has been said there by you. It remains true that I said "I was specifically referring to your comment here, and simply asking you who you liked. "
Those that can't debate with me in a civilized manner resort to ad hominem and vulgarity. You have long joined that club.

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Rocco81 says on Sep 6, 2009, 09:17:

Nah Romy I just now joined that club, because a meddling little smart alec prick doesnt deserve an "grown up" response I never flamed you before. I do have very civil dialogue with other members on here that are of a different political p.o.v than mine. You chose to be a wise guy and I'll give it right back..its that simple.

Sic semper tyrannis

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romy says on Sep 6, 2009, 11:48:

"just now"
"never"
Really???
Perhaps it was a different Rocco that stated "I've found Romy's comments to be really useless in most cases (and a few very offensive) and if he is an Argentine living in Canada why the hell is he even on a Colombian forum? Probably just to stir up the bees nest and make peoeple mad. Romy you can add me to your ignore too pal."

The funny part is that in this thread I truly attempted to get to know your ideas. As it seemed that you were happy to slander, but perhaps admitting that you side with someone would make you liable to whatever stupidities they may commit in the future. Sadly you let your paranoia get the best of you and turned yourself into a victim, perhaps it's an easier way for you to deal with the situation.
Regardless, once your paranoia has faded and you realize that I don't give shit about you personally, then perhaps you can share your ideas in a mature manner. That seems to be the purpose of a forum... well, that is if you think your ideas are worth anything.

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utopiacowboy says on Sep 6, 2009, 11:54:

The USSA is now a fascist state. No difference between Bush and Obama - they pursue the same policies designed to help Wall Street, GS and the Bilderberg Group. The only hope left is the violent revolution which will eventually come. Anyone who isn't buying as much ammunition and armaments as he can is a fool.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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Rocco81 says on Sep 6, 2009, 12:03:

Come to think of it, now I do remember talking with you way back...that is correct, several months ago we had a small interaction. Since then, I never even breathed your name. Unlike you I guess I don't hold grudges that easily. I do remember thinking your comments weren't very useful at the time though.

But of course, I want to go ahead and lay this to rest. Yes sure you are 100% right ...you are also soo enlightened and smart. I guess my opinion really is worthless. So sorry I ever doubted your intentions.

If you want to carry this further just PM me wise one ..

Sic semper tyrannis

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Rocco81 says on Sep 6, 2009, 12:05:

UtopiaCowboy...that is probably one of the best things I've read...well read today atleast ;)

But seriously you're right. I mean I dont agree completely with you on Bush and Obama here, but as far as both men mucking up our Country I agree. Also anyone that thinks a violent revolution isn't possible in the not so distance future is a fool.

Cheers

Sic semper tyrannis

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poco says on Sep 6, 2009, 12:26:

Quote: I am retired with full health care benefits but still I have to pay the doctor out of my pocket because the insurance company clerk wants to set the rate that they will pay the doctor.
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Retired,, how's it possible you pay out of pocket? I've friends on medicare and the deductable is either ZERO to see your primary care doctor or $25 dollars to see a specialist.

I just talked to a friend that's been on social security for over 10 years. Tell me what your hospital cost deductable is on your RETIREMENT health care plan?

Congress is NOT TRYING to help people with health care. Factually, they are trying to end,, eliminate, abolish the Medicare Advantage Plan. A plan that gives OLD PEOPLE quality health care at first class clinics for less money to the government.

Retired folks are just now waking up to the fact they have been getting screwed by MANY in congress who want to cut their benefits and NOW they want to ruin the care they have.

http://www.americansforcoordinatedhealthcare.org/" alt="www.americansforcoordinatedhealthcare.org"

B.S. information, like the AMT tax for the RICH people that is now being PAID by average workers. Isn't inflation nice.
or
The income tax that started at 1 percent.
or
The same governemt that is allowing fraud and abuse in a SPECIFIC program that members PAID FOR is now to be intrusted with a big chunk of the U.S. economy?

What are people thinking about ? Don't these people have parents,, or kids that will pay for this boondoggle?

This is a little about the advantage plan,, this isn't about making folks better, it's about power and greed on the federal level.
http://www.americansforcoordinatedhealthcare.org/

These are just some of the facts, facts I know are true because I've talked with people using this plan,, I think it's MILLIONS of retired folks that use this plan.

======In 2007, Medicare Advantage saved seniors nearly $90 per month or $1000 per year in out of pocket costs. An estimated savings of approximately $7 billion annually.

Additionally, compared to traditional Medicare, Medicare Advantage plans can reduce out-of-pocket costs by up to $4,000 annually for patients with the highest healthcare needs.2============

Colombian Chickens are crowing about the new President of the U.S. who will assure that From each according to their ability to each according to their need.

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romy says on Sep 6, 2009, 15:31:

Rocco, you cannot possibly blame me for having a working memory. There's no grudge, just brain cells.

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