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Columbian guerillas vent anger on French hostage as Sarkozy swears he will rescue her himself

After reading the article below, I find myself asking, "what does the FARC go from here?"

What new demands have FARC made after releasing both sets of hostages? Also like to suggest Daily Mail UK get a new editor who spells Colombia consistantly :O)
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French President Nicolas Sarkozy said today he was ready to go in person to the Venezuela-Colombia border to collect ailing hostage Ingrid Betancourt, being held there by FARC guerillas.

Other hostages released by the Columbian rebel group yesterday said their captors had vented their anger on the French-Columbian politician, who they said is "very sick" and was being kept in inhumane conditions in the secret jungle camps. Ms Betancourt's daughter also appealed for her release, fearing her mother may die in captivity.

"I appeal to FARC to release her immediately. It's a matter of life and death, a matter of a humanitarian emergency," Mr Sarkozy told a news conference in Cape Town after arriving for a visit to South Africa.

Betancourt has duel French-Colombian nationality. She has been held hostage for six years. The guerillas have recently released other high-profile hostages, but Betancourt and three U.S. contractors remain in captivity.

Betancourt's daughter says she is extremely anxious and fears her mother may die. Two former hostages released yesterday by the FARC rebels said Betancourt is very ill.

"It hurts my soul, she is very bad, very, very sick. She is exhausted physically and in her morale," said one of the freed hostages, ex-lawmaker Luis Eladio Perez.

"Ingrid is mistreated very badly, they have vented their anger on her, they have her chained up in inhumane conditions."

He said Betancourt, 46, suffered from liver problems.

The FARC released Perez and three other hostages in a deal brokered by left-wing Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, who has riled Bogota and Washington by calling for the guerrillas to be taken off international terrorism lists.

Betancourt was last seen in a rebel video released last year in which she looked gaunt and despondent, sitting at a wooden bench in the jungle. In a letter to her mother she wrote: "We live like the dead."

"As a woman and a mother, I want to send a message to Ingrid Betancourt, who has been left behind in the jungle very sick," Gloria Polanco, another former lawmaker released after more than six years in captivity, told Colombia's Caracol radio.

Betancourt's husband, Juan Carlos Lecompte, said that he already knew she was in bad condition.

"That is why it is urgent to find a way to free her," he said.

Perez said the three American captives - Keith Stansell, Marc Gonsalves and Thomas Howes - all suffered from jungle illnesses and injuries received when their aircraft crashed in the jungle during an anti-drug mission in 2003.

He said he had spent the last six months of his captivity sleeping in the same camp as the three U.S. Defence Department contractors, who recently marked five years in rebel hands.

A recent decision by a U.S. judge to sentence a rebel commander, alias "Simon Trinidad," to 60 years in prison for his part in the kidnapping of the Americans hit the three men hard. The rebels say the U.S. captives must be exchanged for two guerrilla commanders jailed in the United States.

"They are pretty down, especially after the sentencing of Simon Trinidad," Perez said.

A deal to release all high profile rebel hostages has been stalled over a rebel demand that Uribe demilitarize an area to facilitate hostage exchange. Uribe rejects the condition because he says it will allow the FARC to regroup.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_...

Columbian guerillas vent anger on French hostage as Sarkozy swears he will rescue her himself.

Will Sarkozy fly into the jungle to rescue Bentancourt as the headline reads?

By Medellin Traveler on Feb 28, 2008, 19:12 in Friendly Talkzone.

Mr. Hollywood says on Feb 28, 2008, 20:00:

I'd like to see Sarkozy decide to go all Rambo on the FARC.

I'm also hoping that one day soon he'll realize there are other people being held out there, not just Ingrid.

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la campiña says on Feb 28, 2008, 20:54:

arrogant french hollywood wanna be rock star, 750 more people are out there but they cant get there picture on the front of rolling stone magazine,

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billyb says on Feb 29, 2008, 06:59:

The bottom line is that the french, all pronouncements to the contrary aside, only care about one hostage.

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billyb says on Feb 29, 2008, 07:14:

I'll igonore the personal attack bugs and suggest that you would be naive to think otherwise.

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Mr. Hollywood says on Feb 29, 2008, 08:13:

Sorry buggy, but I just don't believe that President Sarkozy is going to keep up the same level of attention or political pressure for the release of all the hostages if Ingrid is released first. The reason why I say this is there's no particularly reason she should be released ahead of all the others who have suffered equally or worse, whose families have suffered equally or worse, but just don't happen to be global celebs, yet that's exactly what Sarkozy is lobbying for.

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LDW says on Feb 29, 2008, 08:36:

The French have units of the Foreign Legion that go through extremely intensive training in jungle warfare in the jungles of French Guyana. I have seen documentaries on that training. It is so intense that most other countries' special forces will not go near the place.

Would it be a stretch to suggest that Sarkozy would be contemplating deployment of a small detachment of Foreign Legionnaires for use against the FARC? That is precisely the sort of thing those Legionnaires sign up for, many of whom are Colombian by the way. Some of those Legionnaire NCO's who train those guys in French Guyana are native Spanish speakers.

It would not be the first time that the Foreign Legion has intervened in another country on behalf of French citizens.

I wouldn't be surprised if units of the Legion are already deployed in FARC controlled areas scoping out the situation.

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billyb says on Feb 29, 2008, 09:00:

"I'll ignore the attack bugs against a nationality."

Bugsy, it wasn't an attack against a nationality, you'll know it when I make one, it was a statement of fact, The French only really care about Ingrid. once she is released or dies, the French interest in Colombia's hostage issue will disappear, or at least wane considerably.

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britabroad says on Feb 29, 2008, 09:21:

I agree Billyb
The French government is, and always has been, only for the French. If Sarkosy manages to obtain Betancourts release this will be a great PR stunt for him and his political party. If he can´t, or she dies, the Venezuelans will never hear from France again.
Interesting theory about the French Foreign Legion. That would be a rocket up Chaves´arse!

Leave the big stick at home...carry a cannon!

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webmanco says on Feb 29, 2008, 09:37:

I would not blame if the French or anyother nationalities don´t get involve as much in trying to release the captive persons in Colombia after their own natives are free or dead.

We are not to critizice other countries for their lack or none involvement in the captives crisis, we ought to find solutions within our borders.

All this talking about the captives, Chavez and else it is only making more obvious the lack of interest and strenght on our Goverment in order to release and end captivity of anyone in Colombia.

The same captives felt forgotten by Colombians.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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bamacellist says on Feb 29, 2008, 09:46:

There were statements from France a week ago or so that sugest Uribe's visit there was productive. It does appear that France is now conscious of making the FARC responsible for its actions and not simply screaming that Uribe is to blame. It's not at all a semantic thing, either. There are at 750 hostages and Uribe has to figure out some way to bring them to freedom without turning it into 45 million hostages. It's easy to assign too much responsibility to a government which is naturally accountable for its actions and must be responsive when the nature of the FARC is precisely the opposite. That's why the FARC does these things...

"The future is much like the present, only longer."

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Robert Jorge says on Feb 29, 2008, 11:11:

Maybe the US could trade Celine Deon for Bettancourt. They look the same, have similar accents. Of course the gay communty would never let that happen.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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robi666 says on Feb 29, 2008, 11:21:

If he is taking his new Italian wife to Colombia (Carla Bruni), she can stay in my house in Medellin while waiting for him to get back from the jungle...

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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bamacellist says on Feb 29, 2008, 11:24:

too funny!!! too mean!!! too funny!!! (isn't she FRENCH-Canadian, though??? It would be the same problem except we'd be hearing from Michael Moore, too.)

"The future is much like the present, only longer."

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billyb says on Feb 29, 2008, 12:17:

"If he is taking his new Italian wife to Colombia (Carla Bruni), she can stay in my house in Medellin while waiting for him to get back from the jungle"

robi, I have a feeling you would do everything in your power to make sure he didn't get back in that case :)

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robi666 says on Feb 29, 2008, 13:59:

"robi, I have a feeling you would do everything in your power to make sure he didn't get back in that case :)"

I am not sure about my wife, though...

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billyb says on Feb 29, 2008, 14:22:

Do like they do in Colombia, a get a little place for the "other" wife ;)

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robi666 says on Feb 29, 2008, 14:23:

Ok, Billy, I'll do my best...

Carla, se sei su PBH, chiamami!

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goin_south says on Feb 29, 2008, 14:31:

once again... find myself siding with Rubito.
Everyone on this board knows the stalemate shall go on forevermore.

Rubi's solution, would result in the greatest resolution, with the least lives lost.

Sad to say, some lives are going to be given up, to resolve the problem.
They already have been.

Ciao! Gustav. Bienvenitos, Ike.

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Medellin Traveler says on Feb 29, 2008, 14:32:

Rubito says, "Easy solution. Just kill them all."

Who? The French?

"Huevos Rancheros en Medellin, No Quiero Taco Bell." - www.medellintraveler.com

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goin_south says on Feb 29, 2008, 14:42:

Them, too.

Ciao! Gustav. Bienvenitos, Ike.

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goin_south says on Feb 29, 2008, 14:46:

I don't bother wasting time reading but the headlines on all those posts today about the 'hostage release'... Who else am I quoting? Miamimike? a few others. It'll never happen.
Ingrid will never get out alive.

Kill 'em all?

'TWOULD BE THE GREATEST SACRIFICE SHE COULD MAKE FOR HER COUNTRY AND THE PEACE OF THE PEOPLE.

Ciao! Gustav. Bienvenitos, Ike.

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goin_south says on Feb 29, 2008, 14:48:

nothing funny about it.
but, most probably, much truth.

Ciao! Gustav. Bienvenitos, Ike.

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goin_south says on Feb 29, 2008, 14:50:

If it was humour I was after, then I'd put the 'goo' on your avatar.

Ciao! Gustav. Bienvenitos, Ike.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Feb 29, 2008, 14:53:

Well Ingrid is not even French neither her parents... so why they call her the French/Colombian politician, she became French national just because she married a French guy, just like I married a British

I wonder if the UK will made that fuzz if i get kidnapped hehehe

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billyb says on Feb 29, 2008, 14:56:

Kat, they would send prince harry down to get you out. Prince willie also if needed. Maybe even chuckie.

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goin_south says on Feb 29, 2008, 14:57:

Well, Aren't you a National Treasure, now? in the UK, Kat1?

Ciao! Gustav. Bienvenitos, Ike.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Feb 29, 2008, 14:58:

gezzzzzz i would be better with just chuckie.

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billyb says on Feb 29, 2008, 14:59:

But harry has combat experience now.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Feb 29, 2008, 15:02:

she is not French! she became French because
1) her dad (colombian) was a diplomat in France
2) she married a French man

but she was born in Colombia with Colombian parents.

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billyb says on Feb 29, 2008, 15:03:

No, they would just keep on speaking about ALL OF THEM, like we have all along. BTW, Bugsy give my regards to your cuz, Cassie.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Feb 29, 2008, 15:06:

I agree with billyb, the French are just concentrating in one, and as everybody say as soon as she is release the French won't care a rat ass about the rest.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Feb 29, 2008, 15:07:

maybe we need the USA to do the same fuzz about their 3 Americans.

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billyb says on Feb 29, 2008, 15:17:

Bugsy, tell me, what do you really know about how Colombians feel about our hostages? You French only found out that there were hostages held by the FARC in Colombia when Ingrid got her ass kidnapped, we have known about the rest for decades.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Feb 29, 2008, 15:18:

read Billy's post he gave you the answer

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billyb says on Feb 29, 2008, 15:29:

oooh, is that what passes as french wit nowdays?? jaja.

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billyb says on Feb 29, 2008, 15:32:

The thing about a foreigner like yourself that is ignorant about the subject you are talking about, is that what you don't realize is that both Kat and I have had members of our family kidnapped (and killed) by the FARC, so we don't really need a lesson on the subject from an ignorant french "humanist".

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billyb says on Feb 29, 2008, 15:44:

jaaja, getting testy are we? And you are damned right about one thing, it is a glorious army.

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gringoloid says on Feb 29, 2008, 16:01:

billy....are you colombian? I had thought otherwise.

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sloopskipper says on Feb 29, 2008, 16:08:

kat1 says on Friday February 29th, 2008 15:07:

"maybe we need the USA to do the same fuzz about their 3 Americans."

What, send Bush to the jungle, like Sarkozy said he would do?

He was almost a military man.

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goin_south says on Feb 29, 2008, 16:21:

"billy....are you colombian?"
jajjj! Gringoloid, I think billyb bleeds .... amarillo, azul, y rojo

Ciao! Gustav. Bienvenitos, Ike.

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billyb says on Feb 29, 2008, 16:26:

Yup GL, paisa family, but grew up mostly in Cali.

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billyb says on Feb 29, 2008, 16:30:

isn't there already bushes in the jungle?

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goin_south says on Feb 29, 2008, 16:33:

bush is worthless; they wouldn't trade anything for 'm
It's about like me; a catch-22: people would pay the Farc to Keep Me There. .. jja!

Ciao! Gustav. Bienvenitos, Ike.

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billyb says on Feb 29, 2008, 16:34:

jaja, like the Ransom of Red Chief?

http://fiction.eserver.org/short/ransom_of_red_chief.html

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sloopskipper says on Feb 29, 2008, 16:38:

jaja, yeah, O'Henry's "The Ransom of Red Chief". I read it as a boy, and is very memorable. With all the whining they would pay the U.S. to take him back.

They made a movie in the 90s, and I think another, much earlier:

I just saw one from 1952 with Fred Allen and Oscar Levant, but I doubt many people know those names.

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Mr. Hollywood says on Feb 29, 2008, 16:48:

Just a thought, but I'm guessing that if the French really want Ingrid so badly they must have some Colombians rotting in French jails that they can trade to the FARC for her? That would be a double win for them. Why are they negotiating with Uribe's game pieces?

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sloopskipper says on Feb 29, 2008, 16:50:

There is a thought.

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Medellin Traveler says on Feb 29, 2008, 16:50:

Rubito says, "gs, exactly. What kinda life are those people gonna have now? They'll never get anywhere near back to normal physically much less mentally."

Regardless of there state, it's harldy up to you to decide their fate and/or future.

"Huevos Rancheros en Medellin, No Quiero Taco Bell." - www.medellintraveler.com

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billyb says on Feb 29, 2008, 16:52:

The French can give the FARC Guiana for Ingrid and then everybody would be happy.

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tejasmarcos says on Feb 29, 2008, 18:09:

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trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine...

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pedro says on Feb 29, 2008, 18:34:

"The French can give the FARC Guiana for Ingrid and then everybody would be happy."

I think you may be onto something here, billyb.

Even better, give the FARC Mururoa and then run a few more nuclear tests: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moruroa

que nota!

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goin_south says on Feb 29, 2008, 19:05:

MT: "Regardless of there state, it's harldy up to you to decide their fate and/or future."

I think we were just giving opinion.... We're not in the decision making ARMchairs...
And, it's not just THEIR FUTURE...IT'S THE FUTURE OF THE REST OF COLOMBIA/COLOMBIANS.

a few hundred lives? for the peace of 45 million?
through the course of history, is probably a pretty good trade-off.

Has anyone ever tallied the NUMBER OF LIVES ALREADY GIVEN AGAINST THE CAUSE OF THE FARC? AND, STILLL THEY linger.

Ciao! Gustav. Bienvenitos, Ike.

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Medellin Traveler says on Feb 29, 2008, 19:41:

Rubito says, "gs, exactly. What kinda life are those people gonna have now? They'll never get anywhere near back to normal physically much less mentally."

Sorry, but if he's referring to the hostages here, than it has nothing to do with the FUTURE OF THE REST OF COLOMBIA/COLOMBIANS.

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RAAAY says on Feb 29, 2008, 19:46:

lol.............

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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Medellin Traveler says on Feb 29, 2008, 20:12:

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Those kids aren't hungry, they made me eat their leftovers while they watched.

Los ninos son hiperactivos y malcriados!

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Medellin Traveler says on Feb 29, 2008, 20:19:

si senior

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goin_south says on Feb 29, 2008, 20:25:

Rubito said (and, I agreed): Easy solution. Just kill them all.
uhhh... not the kids, MT...
the Farc along with their hostages.

I really don't give a fuck;
So, it's a bit of an unbiased opinion.
Easiest/Quickest way to end the stand off.

I happen to believe,... it would bring a much greater sense of peace to the country.
But then... what do I no?

Ciao! Gustav. Bienvenitos, Ike.

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billyb says on Feb 29, 2008, 20:29:

GS, if you kill all the FARC, then you will have to kill all the children they have forced to join their ranks, on penalty of death to one of their parents if they refused. Hmmmm, bugsy, what are your thoughts on that?

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goin_south says on Feb 29, 2008, 20:33:

lo siento

Ciao! Gustav. Bienvenitos, Ike.

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goin_south says on Feb 29, 2008, 20:34:

sometimes, even children have to die.
and, we all hope it is not ours.
right?
si.

Ciao! Gustav. Bienvenitos, Ike.

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Medellin Traveler says on Feb 29, 2008, 20:45:

goin_south says, "sometimes, even children have to die.
and, we all hope it is not ours.
right?
si."

Yeah, well... it's easy to sound like you're a brave man on the internet. Too bad it wasn't your parents child. How do you like those apples?

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billyb says on Feb 29, 2008, 20:53:

GS is talking in the abstract, so no reason to kick up the personal drama, MT.

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Medellin Traveler says on Feb 29, 2008, 21:02:

goin_south says, "I really don't give a fuck;
So, it's a bit of an unbiased opinion.
Easiest/Quickest way to end the stand off."

If that is abstract, so it this....

MT says, "Too bad it wasn't your parents child."

After several of his comments, it goes beyond "just a comment" even if it's abstract.

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Medellin Traveler says on Feb 29, 2008, 21:04:

rumplestiltskin says, " Apples? Do you mean ripe (ignorant) medelin slum apples "

When in Medellin, it's zapotes for me, hmmmmmmmm good...forget apples.

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billyb says on Feb 29, 2008, 21:06:

ahhh, zapotes!! you have to put the old shorts and T on though.

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Medellin Traveler says on Feb 29, 2008, 21:15:

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How do you like those zapotes?

It tastes sorta like a mango, only it's fun'r to eat. chupa-chupa!

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billyb says on Feb 29, 2008, 21:25:

MT, let me tell you about abstract. I had a cousin who we grew up together with, it was always (i don't know how well you know the extended family dynamics in Colombia, seeing how you only became acquinted with it recently) weekends at their house, or semana santa at our ranch, but we were always together. He was a couple years older than my bros and I, so he's the one who first got us drunk, took us the la casa de citas, took us hunting etc....there was no delineating line where my brothers ended and he started. Then one day he gets kidnapped by that "social movement" known as the the FARC, and before the ransome negotiations start in serious, something goes terribly wrong and they kill him, that's not abstract. So when guys like Rubi say kill them all, i think fuck you, but then I wonder, knowning how gregarious and vivacious he was, how would he deal with being chained by the neck to a tree in the jungle for the ten best years of his life and i am sure that he would say "please mount a rescue oparation and if it fails and i get killed, so be it, because being chained to a tree in the jungle for the rest of your life is worse than death", Now that is in the abstract. I'm glad i don't have to make the choice. Uribe does, and unlike you, i don't think i would know better than he does.

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Medellin Traveler says on Feb 29, 2008, 21:42:

billyb,
Thanks for sharing the story.

It's definitely a tough decision to make, but think about all those young gregarious and vivacious innocent young boys that were forced to join FARC or face death, do they deserve to die for choosing life by joining FARC?

There's always hope... thank gawd for that. I'm sure it has saved many misguided lifes.

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Medellin Traveler says on Feb 29, 2008, 21:52:

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I met these young boys walking through the park one evening on my first trip to Medellin. These young boys, along with many of the other children I met on my trip made me fall in love with all of Medellin; good, bad, or otherwise.

I printed up five copies of the photo which I plan to give a framed copy to each one of the children in the photo on my next trip.

They were a sign of hope for me, especially after hearing all the negative press in the US media about Medellin, Colombia.

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billyb says on Feb 29, 2008, 21:53:

MT, good point. I am torn with wanting death to the FARC (ok, i'm not torn when it comes to the leaders or cabezillas, for them i want a slow painful death), but I agree with you, most of those kids had no choice and the vast majority just want to go home. I am in full agreement that the lower levels should get full amnesty, just like the paras. And if they turned themselves in, i would even be for full amnesty for the FARC comanders. But if they don't, then i'm for a war a annihilation against the FARC.

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goin_south says on Feb 29, 2008, 22:10:

"There's always hope... thank gawd for that."
Knowing the Farc, as ... (I do?)... or, rather perhaps... as Billy does... MT... I don't really know if there is hope... or not.

Billy makes more sense on this forum, than just about any other person I know. I was surprised when someone questioned today, if he was actually colombian.
There's only one other person (colombian) who's opinion I respect and that is juancegomez.

Ciao! Gustav. Bienvenitos, Ike.

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goin_south says on Feb 29, 2008, 22:12:

MT... you're thinking of the individual, rather than ...THE WHOLE OF COLOMBIA.
How self-centered!

Ciao! Gustav. Bienvenitos, Ike.

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billyb says on Feb 29, 2008, 22:13:

thanks GS, but i would most assuredly defer to Juance.

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goin_south says on Mar 1, 2008, 08:01:

cassinni, I think Lila has something to say.... jaj
Lila, donde esta???

Ciao! Gustav. Bienvenitos, Ike.

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ellbee2 says on Mar 13, 2008, 20:55:

Rubito...PLEASE do us all a favor and try some of your Yogic self elimination tactics now!! Good grief ! Did you eat paint chips as a child?

"You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going because you might not get there." Yogi Berra

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poco says on Mar 13, 2008, 23:46:

Rubito Quote: If I were kidnapped, first off I doubt it would happen because they'd have to kill me before they got me anywhere.
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A few years ago you might have been killed in the attempt. Kidnappers had a lot of experience.

I think your chances to escape have been much improved recently because they've lost all their good hands.

"When you men get home and face an anti-war protester, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she's dating a pussy." Quote - General Tommy Franks

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goin_south says on Mar 17, 2008, 22:27:

give 'm a break, rubito; a freakn Long-Sufferin Royals fan... jaj

I found it interesting.... (I don't know why, and who cares?) that they keep running some ad on Colombia TV, with that photo of the lil miss betancourt, sitting in the chair... too bad, at least it wouldn't be a rockin chair.

Ciao! Gustav. Bienvenitos, Ike.

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