Colombiche And Adrimm really left?

cochopechocho says on Nov 13, 2005, 09:18:

The sad truth of the matter is...... Colombiche recently embarrassed herself by stating in a post that she knew of Colombian mothers that were prostituting their young children to pedophiles in a public plaza.

I don’t know why Adrimm would bail out. A lot of people jump ship on this boards when the consensus doesn’t jive with their view of the world.

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silviat says on Nov 13, 2005, 11:46:

I saw I think I saw colombiche and adrimm posting a few days ago... I dont understand why would the leave?

Did they say something like that?

And about what Colombiche said about child pronstitution... i dont know what the discussion was about, but in my mothers old job she saw some cases like that. I dont know anyone personally but I have heard of those situations.

Silvia

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Cerealkiller says on Nov 13, 2005, 12:51:

Well they do rent their kids to beggars and they split the money at the end of the day...http://www.bucaramanga.com/arc.asp?Cod_pag=569...So I wouldnt be surprised they prostitute their kids...I mean if you rent your kid they can pretty much do anything to them...So maybe colombiche is speaking the truth and not "embarrassing herself"....perhaps embarrassing people who still believe this is not possible. Sad but true.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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pepster says on Nov 13, 2005, 13:28:

Prostituting Kids Yep, going on for a long time...Colombiche cannot have embarrassed herself, especially since she can be quite defensive about Colombia. If she states this, I'd believe her.

Nonetheless, I've seen it with my own eyes..I have been personally asked.

The Pepster

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Rubiazo says on Nov 13, 2005, 14:11:

Ironically I think she just got sick of the cultural chauvinism on here. I hope she changes her mind because she was one of the people who helped balance it out.

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Crazy Eagle says on Nov 13, 2005, 14:37:

Come back Colombiche. We miss you.

"The gate is straight, deep and wide. Break on through to the other side." Jim Morrison

"The natural rhythm of life is routine punctuated by orgy" Aldous Huxley

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Lucia Rojas says on Nov 13, 2005, 21:57:

They said they had had it in a previous post They said they had it in a previous post were people were badmouthing colombia... I' ll look for it....

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Lucia Rojas says on Nov 13, 2005, 22:00:

It was on the dead italian thread...............

Come back Colombiche and Andrimm. Intelligent girls are needed here

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kernow62 says on Nov 14, 2005, 04:08:

I occasionally hear mention of it happening in the US on the news, usually it is a mother who has a serious drug problem but I see no reason not to believe it exists everywhere just as ARMacleod posted.

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cochopechocho says on Nov 14, 2005, 07:07:

It’s hard to imagine the gullibility of some on this board. I'm sure child prostitution does happen in Colombia as in the rest of the world.

But I don't think it is any more common in Colombia than other places in the world and I certainly don't believe it takes place in a public plaza. And, I don't believe the colombia police nor the colombian public are indifferent to this kind of crime as was suggested.

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Crazy4Cali says on Nov 14, 2005, 07:07:

How often do you hear of car accidents? yet 45,000 people in the U.S. alone die in them each year.

My point is that just because it isn't in the news or on the front page, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Also, if something was "normal" behavior, it wouldn't be deemed newsworthy.

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Cerealkiller says on Nov 14, 2005, 07:52:

I think the number of children who are involved in prostition is far greater than what we most think. The stereotype of the prostitute used to be: girl, poor, from a broken family. And no, the police are not giving it the cold shoulder but the phenomenon in Colombia is changing and the number of strato 5, boys, from functional families is a growing trend, they no longer live in slums or have a crack or bazuco addicted mother. It has been in the newspaper, it has been on magazines...People are not blind to it and I think everyone knows what is going on, but just as with the problem of child soldiers in Colombia people really just dont want to know. Simple. And that is not Colombia is simple human nature, if youre okay then why bother?

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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ARMacleod says on Nov 14, 2005, 08:04:

Child prostitution statistics Kernow62 my friend. Google the subject header above (child prostitution statistics) and I will guarantee that you will be sickened at what you find.

And yes, in every country in the world. Some keep it under wraps for various reasons, paedophile politicians, police, priests etc.

Some will argue that in many cases the children chose to enter this dubious profession, I ask you this. At what time or age in the childrens life do the parents cease to become responsible for the activities of their children, should they be tried for their lack in accepting this obvious responsibility, are they not condoning this behaviour?

Lack of parental responsibility is akin to collusion in the crime and should be treated as such. Yes or NO?

Incidently, I am willing to be chief judge and executioner in these cases. (And incidentally in many other cases of other despicable crimes against humanity in general).

Sorry about harping on in many cases but I believe that the spread of liberalism, political correctness, the ‘swinging hippy crappy sixties' is ultimately responsible for the rise in delinquency that we have now.

The UK and USA is rapidly becoming a Mecca for malcontents, it is now illegal for parents to chastise their children manually, the suggested manner of sitting down and having a ‘heart to heart' is garbage, it does not work, has never worked and never will.

Sorry for the extended discourse on the subject, but, if the present trends continue to pacify the hand wringing element, where will we be in ten or twenty years from now?

I worry, mucho, mucho.

Pax vobiscum

The brain is like a parachute, it only functions correctly when it is open. Pax vobiscum.

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caslug says on Nov 14, 2005, 08:07:

One difference i see between COL and say USA.. is that if you see a crime in progress(ie child prostitution or drug trafficing) the cops in the USA would be ALL over it. While it's true that if no one reports it then they won't do anything. WHile in COL, i'm not sure they would give it the UTMOST attention. The other week there was 40 murders in Cali, do you think the cops are working on ALL of them? They just don't have the resource of muscle. Heck this is a country where criminals have their own police/army forces to rule by fear/violence and that goes for the FARC & AUC. The national police can't be expected to deal with everything with the limited resources they have.

So that's why it DOESNT suprise me that stuff like that happens within the police presences.

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silviat says on Nov 14, 2005, 08:35:

cochopechocho I am sorry to say that I do think it happens more in Colombia than in other countries in the world. I think it happens more in 3rd world countries than in developed countries.

For many reasons, the educational level, the socio-economical level, etc. And also because as caslug just said, even if the government would have the intention to stop such situations... they just dont have the resources.

I think it does happen very often in our country and I think it happens in public places. In my mothers old job she had to learn about very scary situations involving children. And in many of those cases the parents didnt even think they were doing wrong... they just probably lived the same way and for them that was part of what a child was suposed to do. We are talking about people with little or none education and very very low resources.

As for it happening in a public place. A few years ago my mother and I took her dog as an emergency ( 1 am) to the vet and in our way back someone crashed our car, in a very public place of Bucaramanga. Well in seconds we were sorrounded by lots of pronstitutes and drunk people and several kids (really creeppy), the police came because they were close by so all of the people that came to our car left the place. When they were trying to agree on who pays for the damages and all of that we were talking to one of the beggers that was in the scene, and my mother asked him what were those kids doing in the streets so late at night... well... they were there waitting for "clientes"

Its sad and it sucks and its totally "indignante" but its a reality.

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Lionheart says on Nov 14, 2005, 09:45:

human trafficking Do a google here for human trafficking, there were other threads with much info on this subject 1-2 years ago. Child prostitution is just one part of this sick practice, being sold into slavery is still at large, especially for children. Many kids are bought by specialized gangs from their parents in areas of extreme poverty and smuggeled into first world countries. I doubt Colombia is at the top of the list, I recall Brazil, Honduras and Nicaragua being mentioned as top sources for the USA.

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Rubiazo says on Nov 14, 2005, 09:52:

ARM makes a good point It might not be a bad idea to make kids parents criminally and civilly liable for their crotchfruit's actions. Maybe it'll make some of the Neanderthals on this planet think twice before fucking!

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Eclipse says on Nov 14, 2005, 11:22:

human trafficking I think Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia, and the smaller countries in East Asia are top of the list. I remember watching a special on Dateline which delve into this thing. They caught a US doctor that was over there looking for sex with underage girls. Girls as young as 9. And as Caslug pointed out, they just don't have the resources to prevent this.

And as LionHeart pointed out, this is not only about sex. Sex is only part of the practice. People are used in sweat shops, abused labourers or servants.

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pepster says on Nov 14, 2005, 11:32:

Eclipse I saw that broadcast a while ago and he's still loose if I remember correctly. Law enforcement is so corrupt that they only do sweeps when it's a political initiative. My friend was telling me how back in the Phillipines it's just terrible...families offering their children to foreigners...he's says it's out of control. Going car to car knocking on windows.


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Rubiazo says on Nov 14, 2005, 12:04:

Don't trust the media This whole sex tourism crusade is out of control and totally not based on any facts.

Facts are:

Child victims of sexual abuse are almost always victimized by someone living with them. Beyond that, they are almost always victimized by someone in a position of trust over them. Beyond that, they are almost always victimized by someone from their same small town. The whole idea of people going around the world searching for children to have sex with is largely (not COMPLETELY but LARGELY) a fabrication.

Going back to Colombiche's comment about young girls hanging out with their pimpmothers in a public plaza, assuming that the story is true (and it may very well be), these girls are looking for local customers, NOT foreigners.

If anything, people from the US are MORE reluctant to have sex with a foreigner if there is the slightest hint he/she may be underage than the local population. And that is not without its pragmatic reasons. In Mexico, for example, you can have sex with a twelve year old prostitute and not break any Mexican laws, but a) you can still be criminally tried in the US for it b) you can get in trouble for it down there even though it is legal. Vigilantism is big down there!

In most other countries, even ones with lower ages of consent, prostitutes have to be at least 18 years of age (specifically, Colombia and Brazil). Most Americans are ignorant of the laws, both their own and those of other nations, and many actually assume that the age of consent is 18 in all cases. Many Canadians don't know that the age of consent is 14 in their own country. How much less are they going to be willing to take a risk where they don't speak the language and have heard nothing but horror stories their whole life about weird diseases, police brutality, etc.

In Brazil the overwhelming majority of underage prostitutes are working in a few impoverished northwestern states, and are recruited by people they know in their hometowns to go to worksites for loggers and agricultural workers and service them. Unfortunately the media down there has started a huge anti-sex-tourism campaign thus ensuring that the REAL problem goes unnoticed!!!!

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Lionheart says on Nov 14, 2005, 18:18:

two sides of the coin Most nations report about sex tourism in other countries and may press charges when a traveler returns and it is known the protitute was underage.

But the import of underage prostitutes is rarely reported, and mainly only reported after a larger bust.

The more complex area of human trafficking is very secretive and is worked on by covert activities of the FBI, concerning the USA, in cooperation with other international police authorities. I was told it is because of the heavy undercover activity. And the media never gets info.

One example I know about. In Panama there are ads in the newspapers and commercials on radio and TV for maid jobs in the USA. They meet, get basic training, get their visas, and are flown to the USA. Some return, others don't ... not all the agencies are legit.

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Hunter says on Nov 15, 2005, 14:55:

Child prostituion is in every Country, the poorer the Country the more of it there will be.

It most certainly does take place in public places in Colombia, I have never been offered a mothers daughter, but I have been approached a good dozen times in Ctg and Medellin on the streets at night and once in the daytime.

Hunter

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Monpirri says on Nov 15, 2005, 16:17:

Wrong, it has nothing to do with poor countries. Japan, one of the great powers of the world, practice child prostitution and child pornography.

Though prostitution was declared illegal in 1956, the Japanese spend an estimated U.S $14.4 billion a year on sex. One third of all reported cases of prostitution involved teenagers.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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Hunter says on Nov 15, 2005, 16:25:

monpirri1 Your information posted above doesn't mean mine is wrong, there is probably more child prostitution in poorer Asian Countries than there is in Japan, by number of people involved, not the amount of money.

Hunter

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Albatross says on Nov 16, 2005, 04:28:

Things are not always what they seem... About two years ago a mother, who was generally a decent person, (I also knew her father) offered her 14 year old daughter to me, presuming that I would marry her when she was old enough, I suppose. I remember thinking what an odd role reversal it was when I was the one who protested that I was more than twice her age. Anyway, about six months later I saw her again with a gringo tourist, as soon as she saw me she ran over and gave me a huge hug but then returned to the gringo.

Chances are that by now she's deep into prostitution or maybe some local knocked her up and then lost interest, (happens all the time) so it's possible that her mother's strange request was actually her daughters last chance for what we would call a "good" life.

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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jm256 says on Nov 16, 2005, 05:08:

if they left,,, can you blame them? dude, who can blame them? who wants to dialogue with a bunch of lames, or balding, fat, viagra popping cave-men and neanderthal foaming at their mouths anytime they think about colombian women.

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Lionheart says on Nov 16, 2005, 07:10:

Albatross has a good point In most cultures of the world it is common that parents control their children's marriages and select their future partners. Some children are promised for marriage before birth, often for political or financial reasons. Even though it seems horrible to North Americans, I don't think we have a right to judge them. After all, their cultures have survived many times longer than our culture.

It is also common that older established men are prefered as potential husbands for their daughters, and being offered their daughter show their respect and trust in you. And even if the young women seek their future husbands themselves, they often still prefer older men for the same reason.

Once the daughter has been promised, the family takes care of her and prepares her for her marriage, and protects her from other men.

This was also common with our own gringo ancestors, so I really wonder why there is such an uproar about the whole age issue. History shows it has been successfull for thousands of years versus the prude bible-belt mentality of the past 200 years in the USA. Look at the USA now ... are we really better off?

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utopiacowboy says on Nov 16, 2005, 08:14:

Well, Lionheart, even in the cultures that have traditionally had arranged marriages, the younger generations are rebelling against the custom. I've had some interesting discussions with my Indian coworkers and even some of them who have had arranged marriages are against the practice.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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Lionheart says on Nov 16, 2005, 09:25:

times are changing Like you I had discussions with Indian co-workers. I noticed two trends: Male Indians are more opposed to the tradition, they are also more open to a mixed-race marriage ... and maybe/probably want to be able to stay in the USA. More of the women were traditional, many told me they will marry whomever their fathers decide on.

Check out the Indian FriendFinder site, they even changed the software so that fathers can create and edit the profiles, and manage the contacts. There seems to be a great difference depending on the area/caste/? where the families come from. I doubt the FF network would have invested so much money into a dating site if is really was a dying tradition.

We have only met an elite few Indians here in the USA ....

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vladimiro says on Nov 16, 2005, 09:42:

Colombia is a famous destination for child prostitution I read a Semana article a couple weeks ago about European police investigating some new regular flights to Cartegena from Europe. According to the article, Colombian has become a main destination for child prostitution because it has become known interationally that its tolerated by the judicial system(the article mentioned that just one case had been prosecuted in Cartegena the last 5 years or something). I am sure they spend a lot of money in Cartegena. The European police are trying to do something about it on their end.

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