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Colombia's president wants to ban the personal use of cocaine, marijuana, and ecstasy

Bogotá, Colombia - As a regular marijuana user, Alicia Fajardo freely exercises her right to light up a joint whenever she pleases. But if a new push from Colombia's conservative President Álvaro Uribe succeeds, her habit would become illegal.

Colombia's Congress last week began debating a constitutional amendment introduced by the government that would prohibit possession and use of recreational drugs, overturning a 1994 Constitutional Court ruling that said the prohibition of drug use violated the right to the "free development of personality" set forth in Colombia's Constitution.

Since then, adults have been able to legally possess up to 20 grams of marijuana, one gram of cocaine, and two grams of synthetic drugs such as ecstasy for consumption in the privacy of their homes.

But Mr. Uribe says it is a contradiction for Colombia as the world's largest cocaine producer and exporter to claim to be waging a war on drugs – funded with billions of dollars of US aid – while allowing domestic use.

"It's not ethical to make that effort against production, against trafficking, against the criminals and simultaneously be permissive at the source, which is consumption," Uribe said in a recent speech.

Uribe's crusade

For Uribe, outlawing drug use has become something of a crusade.

Since he first began campaigning for president, Uribe vowed to outlaw possession of drugs, but in more than six years as president he has failed to see the measure pass.

He included the issue in a broad referendum in 2003 that was not approved. On four other occasions he has tried to push legislation through Congress outlawing possession and imposing mandatory jail sentences on repeat users.

Sen. Armando Benedetti, although a fervent supporter of Uribe, has opposed every one of the president's attempts to penalize drug use. "The state can't try to be a father, regulating the personal lives of Colombians," he says.

Ms. Fajardo agrees and says she does no harm with her habit. "Why should the government interfere in my private life?" she says.

Hundreds of defenders of personal drug use laws recently gathered in public squares of three cities, waving unlit joints in the air to reaffirm their right to possess what has come to be known here as the "minimum dose."

Despite the laxity in drug laws and the easy availability of recreational drugs in Colombia, use is relatively low. The latest drug use survey for Colombia, released in February, showed 2.3 percent of Colombians admitted using marijuana at least once in the past year, while 0.7 percent admitted to using cocaine in the previous 12 months. In the United States, according to the National Survey in Drug Use and Health, 5.8 percent used marijuana and 0.8 percent used cocaine during the same period.

But Mr. Benedetti says that despite previous failures to outlaw drug use, this time around Uribe may just get enough votes in the Congress since the government has backed off its original stance of trying to penalize possession.

A less punitive bill

The latest bill, as introduced by the government, would make possession and use a misdemeanor rather than a felony, and focuses on treatment by setting up "therapeutic courts" comprised of judges, physicians, and psychologists. Rep. Nicolas Uribe, a member of the ruling coalition but not a relative of the president, says the government made a "substantial change in its position" from previous attempts where it focused on punishment.

But even the treatment aspect became controversial. "If they are going to force treatment on drug users they would have to do the same for users of tobacco, alcohol, and even chicharrónes (pork rinds) because the fat content in them is a public health issue," says Benedetti.

Taking up those concerns, lawmakers changed the text of the amendment to simply prohibit possession and use, leaving the details of prosecution and treatment to be decided later as a regular law.

"What's important is making it clear that drug use is wrong and that it is fueling terrorism in our own country," says Rep. Uribe, referring to the fact that leftist rebels and right-wing warlords fund themselves largely with the drug trade.

But Fajardo rejects the notion that through her drug use, she is feeding Colombia's decades-old conflict. "The big consumers are in the US and Europe. All we get here are the leftovers," she says.

By BillBigD on May 3, 2009, 14:16 in Friendly Talkzone.

Simon says on May 3, 2009, 14:49:

Hey, murder, rape, and theft are also "banned" and they don't appeal to me one bit either.

Go Uribe, you're the man!

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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roPAISA says on May 3, 2009, 14:51:

I had no idea it was legal to have drugs... wow... all they need to do is look at Peru and other countries that went from illegal to legal... it's all been a huge success

The paper, published by Cato in April, found that in the five years after personal possession was decriminalized, illegal drug use among teens in Portugal declined and rates of new HIV infections caused by sharing of dirty needles dropped, while the number of people seeking treatment for drug addiction more than doubled.
"Judging by every metric, decriminalization in Portugal has been a resounding success," says Glenn Greenwald, an attorney, author and fluent Portuguese speaker, who conducted the research. "It has enabled the Portuguese government to manage and control the drug problem far better than virtually every other Western country does."
Compared to the European Union and the U.S., Portugal's drug use numbers are impressive. Following decriminalization, Portugal had the lowest rate of lifetime marijuana use in people over 15 in the E.U.: 10%. The most comparable figure in America is in people over 12: 39.8%. Proportionally, more Americans have used cocaine than Portuguese have used marijuana.
The Cato paper reports that between 2001 and 2006 in Portugal, rates of lifetime use of any illegal drug among seventh through ninth graders fell from 14.1% to 10.6%; drug use in older teens also declined. Lifetime heroin use among 16-to-18-year-olds fell from 2.5% to 1.8% (although there was a slight increase in marijuana use in that age group). New HIV infections in drug users fell by 17% between 1999 and 2003, and deaths related to heroin and similar drugs were cut by more than half. In addition, the number of people on methadone and buprenorphine treatment for drug addiction rose to 14,877 from 6,040, after decriminalization, and money saved on enforcement allowed for increased funding of drug-free treatment as well.

full article:
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html?xid=rss...

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Byron_Kostner says on May 3, 2009, 14:51:

A bad move altogether.

The last three US presidents used drugs and they turned out okay, 'cept for W.

Smart people do drugs all the time.

Sorry Simon, but all you will see is more Colombians suffering and more innocent people getting murdered.

Stupid, stupid, stupid move!

Actions speak louder than words, but the self-righteous crusaders want to live by their own rules.

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somedumbguy says on May 3, 2009, 15:02:

Marijuana is legal up to 20 grams! Yaaaaaaaaaaaa hooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!

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durito2 says on May 3, 2009, 15:32:

"She is more concerned about violence happening when she smells it!"

Then she is nuts. Smoking pot is the last thing on earth that would make someone violent, it does the opposite. Alcohol on the other hand...

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somedumbguy says on May 3, 2009, 15:34:

GregYohn....We need to hang out sometime. You have to be one of the dumbest guys on PBH. Along with me of course!

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dwmte7 says on May 3, 2009, 16:04:

president gaviria's thought are far more luminous than mr uribe's......along the lines of, 'we don't have a drug problem in colombia....we have a drug dealer problem. he also noted that cocain has been a part of colombian culture for 10.000 yrs before the round eyes came.

mr uribe is unfortunately trying to kiss the ass of america rather than attend his own peoples. for years, i have had the pleasure of friendship w' some of antioquia's elite/priviledged and when there's a party, near everyone participates of the party favors. even the old folks. this is a political bull shit move. the only one's who will suffer are the colombians. pity. i'm no supporter of synthetics, but GOD made cannabis and la coca.

patriarch

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roPAISA says on May 3, 2009, 16:06:

Plenty of well educated successfull people smoke weed. Abe lincoln smoked weed along with many other important famous people. I can't believe the brainwashing going on.

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makopp5 (☼Travelguide writer) says on May 3, 2009, 16:39:

I smoke mariuhana frecuently and I don´t see any other efects like I´m drinking 2 glass of wine. Why alcohol is not forbidden? It makes much more damage to the people. I put you 1 kilo of mariuhana on the table and 3 bottles of whiskey. One person drinks the 3 bottles of whiskey and another person is smoking all the mariuhana that he can in 2 hours. Who will die? The pot smoker or the whiskey drinker?

I think also if the police is behind every small drug user, they would not have time for the real big guys and for the jsutice systems it´s also a waste of time and money.

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perfectstranger says on May 3, 2009, 17:23:

Remember, although it is legal to posses not more than 20 grams of weed it is illegal to buy or sell...

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Catfish35 says on May 3, 2009, 17:34:

I say hooorah that Colombia allows for small amount possession. Weed vs. Alcohol is never much of a fight. As a prior cop I would rather always deal with a someone "high" on weed (WEED only) rather than a nitwit that is drunk. People drink and want to fight and drive fast vs. potheads going 20 mph and thinking they are at mach1 speed.
I am not in love with drugs. however I am open minded enough to know that every damn thing we have tried so far has not worked.

LEGALIZE and EDUCATE....educate as early as possible..everyday..

Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."

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Robert Jorge says on May 3, 2009, 18:17:

Amen Catfish.

"You can not take the barrio out of the girl you really can't." Oneforamillion

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makopp5 (☼Travelguide writer) says on May 3, 2009, 19:03:

Catfish35

"LEGALIZE and EDUCATE....educate as early as possible..everyday.."
I agree with you 100%.

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manINred says on May 3, 2009, 20:47:

The reason alcohol is a more dangerous drug than marijuana is the behavourial effect it has on people. Alcohol suppresses many inhibitory receptors that we have... receptors that inhibit uncontrolled emotional response, for instance... thus making us less inhibited (more likely) to lash out in violence when angry, or cry when sad, for instance.

Marijuana does not do this.

I suppose the point of this bill is to promote the idea that drug use funds illegal groups and is thus unacceptable, but I doubt it will have any effect on demand for the drugs, rendering such laws pointless.

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quantum says on May 3, 2009, 21:47:

Jeez Catfish, if only more cops thought like u the world would be a better place.........

quantum

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whitewidow says on May 3, 2009, 22:38:

Marijuana bad, homicide just 6 jears behind bars....... hypocracy implied. The joke is on you.....

wake up, comb back your morals and cast aside jesus..... the self is a god..... cut your veins and pray to the ink in your little black book...... constantine laughs.

I'm no doper! I just play one on TV.

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La_Huella says on May 4, 2009, 08:55:

NOT true. You can be detained for up to 24 hours, but NOT for possession of drugs. The police do it sometimes just to be fucking assholes. But after 24 hours they HAVE to let you go or they are in BIG BIG BIG trouble.

You're also fucking SO wrong regarding gringos. They treat me with kid gloves here. Speaking from personal experience on SEVERAL occasions.

Light up people....

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Darloup (☼Travelguide writer) says on May 4, 2009, 09:10:

"Remember, although it is legal to posses not more than 20 grams of weed it is illegal to buy or sell..."

Erm... So one just gives away 20 grams of weed to one's "friend" and receives an unofficial tip NOT LINKED to the transaction?

Better to have tried and failed than having regrets all your life about what you MIGHT have missed

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somedumbguy says on May 4, 2009, 09:55:

Oneforamillion...

1. The law says you can possess up to 20 grams.
2. Gingos DO get special treatment.
3. The police threaten to take you to jail because they want some money. Sound familiar in Colombia?

Get real brother!

Go have a smoke with La Huella in public in Bogota and learn to relax a little. If anyone needs a puff, it's you.

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Lowell says on May 4, 2009, 11:54:

Why smoke in public? If smell is a problem, just use a pipe and smoke a small ammount at a time. Plus, while smoking in public, someone may consider you an easier target for crimeas as you are high and off guard. A lot of people find it offensive, why draw attention to yourself in a foreign country?

Alfred E. Newman. "What. Me Worry?"

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Chriscan (☼Travelguide writer) says on May 4, 2009, 13:43:

It said you can posses the drugs in your home. So if you have a house in Bogota, have fun there.

I wonder if this would apply to hotels.

Beam me up Scotty; No intelligent life here.

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La_Huella says on May 4, 2009, 15:04:

Yes it's clear. But you are also DEAD DEAD WRONG. That law would be UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Read the damn constitution.

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somedumbguy says on May 4, 2009, 17:00:

I thought I was pretty stupid, Oneforamillion. Is Bogota exempt from the Colombian Constitution? Are you trying to take my Dunce Cap away?

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makopp5 (☼Travelguide writer) says on May 4, 2009, 17:04:

La Huella

you are right. I got caught smoking in a car. I was chatting with the police and they showed me a small packet of weed. They ask me how much will this cost in you country. I said about 10.000 pesos. They gave it to me and I gave them 10.000 Pesos.

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La_Huella says on May 4, 2009, 18:39:

I don't smoke in public, never have, never will, unless it's part of a Million Marijuana March or something. But I don't just spark up on the street.

OTOH you can't possibly ride the ciclorruta for more than 5 minutes without at least once smelling that sweet smell. But I still do it behind closed doors. Most people here don't give a shit but all it takes is one idiot to ruin your day.

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roPAISA says on May 4, 2009, 19:37:

Thanks for the information everyone... I agree in personal freedom and liberty. Pot should be LEGAL anywhere and I'm glad to hear that Colombia has an open policy and the police understand.

But, why are they taking these rights away? One of the main reasons some people want to leave the US is because it is becoming more nad more of a nanny state every week. Big brother is all over and the jails are filled with pot smokers and other BS. I sure hope Colombia doesn't follow suite, because if so, everyone will suffer.

Does anyone have the Colombian constitution in English?

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ddluzdelsol says on May 4, 2009, 21:02:

coastalgringo & roPaisa... you hit the nail on the head!!!!

Christmas and New Years in Ibague!!

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Rocco81 says on May 5, 2009, 10:57:

Tone_loc where the hell is "Kazachstan"

Sic semper tyrannis

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morlecoco (☼Travelguide writer) says on May 5, 2009, 13:55:

Damn it Uribe!!
You have done so many great things for Colombia, but this will not be one of them, this will make things worse. The entire problem with drugs stems from the fact that they are illegal.... remember prohibition?
Drugs need to be legalized and then there will be no more war on drugs needed...

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Chriscan (☼Travelguide writer) says on May 5, 2009, 14:23:

7 years ago, Portugal decriminalized possession of all drugs, funneling the money saved on enforcement into prevention and treatment. As a result drugs use has declined while it is increasing in countries that step up enforcement.

There is a good podcast on this subject http://podcast.cbc.ca/mp3/current_20090430_14986.mp3

Beam me up Scotty; No intelligent life here.

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Darloup (☼Travelguide writer) says on May 5, 2009, 14:23:

From what I read on this thread (and I learnt a lot), it seems that Colombia managed to square the circle on that issue...

Be sensible (allow for personal use), don't stupidly ban/forbid/enforce, and accept the reality of things...

Full marks to Colombia on that one.

History has always shown that, eveytime you try to outlaw something, this immediate creates a parallel market that makes things worse for eveybody (not to mention prices that skyrocket). Whether during the Prohibition in the US or whether a country wishes to outlaw prostitution...

Respect to Colombia for having implemented a relatively safe solution, and shame on Uribe for trying to alter a tried and tested solution which is apparently working.

Better to have tried and failed than having regrets all your life about what you MIGHT have missed

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poco says on May 5, 2009, 14:51:

Quote: Yes it's clear. But you are also DEAD DEAD WRONG. That law would be UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Read the damn constitution.
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I thought you understood what is and isn't Constitutional.

Generally,, something specifically stated in the Constitution is,, well, constitutional. That's it,, simple.

Everything else, items not specifically addressed,, at least in general terms, is up for grabs. It can be illegal, depending on the city or department.

The is NO provision for drug use in the constitution. Ha,, I can just see the line item,, "Citizens are guaranteed life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness and drugs. Funny,,,

Right now,, depending, the authorities can do anything they want,, short of murder for drug related use or selling.

Selling and transporting,, they will put you away,, depending on amount. Using,, no one seems to care a lot but it is NOT a Constitutional RIGHT.

Colombian Chickens are crowing about the new President of the U.S. who will assure that From each according to their ability to each according to their need.

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La_Huella says on May 5, 2009, 17:55:

Poco, the supreme court famously addressed the issue in I believe it was 1993, which is when the "dosis personal" law came into effect. Their interpretation of the Constitution is that it DOES guarantee the right to personal drug use.

Congress can pass all the stupid laws it wants, and the courts will kill it. That was what happened before that's what will happen again.

It is incorrect to say that one can be locked up for up to 24 hours FOR DRUG POSSESSION OF ANY AMOUNT. One can be taken into the police station and invesigated and interrogated for up to 24 hours for ANY reason, and after 24 hours they have to let you go. THAT is what the police are doing in some cases, because some police are assholes. That's VERY different from enforcing a law that's on the books.

In other words, some overzealous cocksucker cops try to make end runs AROUND the law, rather than ENFORCING it. So yes, it's a bad idea to do drugs in front of a cop here. In general in South America you can do whatever you want and nobody bats an eyelash, as long as you do it DISCREETLY. It's not a good idea culturally to flaunt anything in front of anybody's face here. This includes but goes WAY beyond drug use.

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whitewidow says on May 5, 2009, 20:38:

he can ban maryjuana all he wants if he'll just legalize the x.

I'm no doper! I just play one on TV.

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Darloup (☼Travelguide writer) says on May 5, 2009, 20:57:

Mongo mutt:

"She said that it is legal to have a small amount (she didn't know exactly how much) on one's person, but it is supposed to be for medical reasons only."

Jajajajajaja: I love your novia... I feel so sick... ¨Please give me my Colombian medications.... ;-)

Better to have tried and failed than having regrets all your life about what you MIGHT have missed

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whitewidow says on May 5, 2009, 21:02:

enforcement or lack thereof in colombia is a wonderful thing. when is the last time you have seen a line of cars behind a smokey on a colombian roadway/highway. isn't that the way it should be?

I'm no doper! I just play one on TV.

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Darloup (☼Travelguide writer) says on May 5, 2009, 21:08:

Mongo pedigree: "Personally, I like Colombia's ambiguous law enforcement. It's quite refreshing after living here in the "nanny states."

You're so right there - have a bone for being a clever dog ;-)

Better to have tried and failed than having regrets all your life about what you MIGHT have missed

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Darloup (☼Travelguide writer) says on May 5, 2009, 21:16:

Mongo: Grrrrr....

Have a bone:

Better to have tried and failed than having regrets all your life about what you MIGHT have missed

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La_Huella says on May 6, 2009, 10:50:

I wish it really were that lax. Or sometimes I don´t. Fact is there are retenes all over Bogota looking for potential drunk drivers at night especially on the weekends, same as anywhere else on earth where they do the same thing. Do NOT drive drunk here. Hell, don´t to it anywhere, it´s idiotic, but it you do it here you WILL be caught for it. At least here meaning in Bogota.

The dosis personal is 4 grams of cocaine and 20 grams of MJ. I don´t know the amounts for other substances. And no it´s NOT for medical use only.

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Miguel_Clavo says on May 6, 2009, 11:39:

what did the jury decide on the drug possession in Bogota? legal or illegal? we have two posters, both living in Bogota advising us two different things? one says illegal, the other legal?

RVW orderded me to remove my tagline congratulating the PBH Mods New Golden Boys. Lame.

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whitewidow says on May 6, 2009, 13:55:

still cheap in barrio antioquia, azuno. let me know.....

I'm no doper! I just play one on TV.

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Robert Jorge says on May 6, 2009, 14:52:

I saw a DUI checkpoint in Villao a couple of times. It was set up right in front of the Postobon factory on calle 15. Between whiskeria 'Sex appeal' and 'La casa de la cervesa.' It was amazing at the number of cars and motos that were confiscated. Nobody was ever detained (that I saw), but all were given a pretty steep ticket and would have to pay a large amount to get their vehicle out of wherever they impound them. Much more "easy" than a US DUI arrest. IMO

"You can not take the barrio out of the girl you really can't." Oneforamillion

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poco says on May 6, 2009, 15:13:

Quote: Constitution is that it DOES guarantee the right to personal drug use.
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The key is personal drug use and the type and amounts are limited. I can't remember but I don't think Basuco / Meth are some of those,, who knows,, maybe.

Anyway,, laws will and can be enforced and up held. Damn,, whats going on in Bogota ? Where I am they put dealers in JAIL and users with more than a small amount JAIL,,, transportation above these amounts, Jail,,,

When I first came to Colombia,, what the heck,, 5 bucks to go to a movie and get some popcorn,, what could be wrong with that?

When their mother came back she asked where were the kids,, movie,, did you give them money,, yes,, 10 Mill. Ha,, she told me to NEVER DO THAT,, never,, kids with money can get in trouble. She took off for the theater to make sure the kids were watching a movie.

Legalize,, in Colombia,, no way,, things are bad enough with the cheap availability,, NOW, folks want the STATE saying it's OK.

Oh,, age limit,, ha,, no one under 18 right? which drugs?

I'd agree, folks concerned with their kids future and doing everything to assure they growup with a shot at opportunity are WHAT,, now are told by the STATE,, drugs are OK,,,

Colombian Chickens are crowing about the new President of the U.S. who will assure that From each according to their ability to each according to their need.

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La_Huella says on May 6, 2009, 15:16:

Oh if you get busted here and have even a molecule more than the allowable amount, you are most probably going to jail, no doubt about that. Nobody ever said differently.

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La_Huella says on May 6, 2009, 15:52:

Apparently I do. Your GF is full of shit. Sorry. The constitution and the appropriate court decision are all up on the internet for you to read yourself.

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La_Huella says on May 6, 2009, 15:57:

RTFF... it's already been discussed to death, with quotes and citations and all.

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whitewidow says on May 6, 2009, 16:00:

here we go..... no more narcotics for you boyz.... stick with the tweed..... catfish can get you all you want. he lives in barrio antioquia.

I'm no doper! I just play one on TV.

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La_Huella says on May 6, 2009, 16:01:

No, I just can't be bothered to research something I did already because you're too lazy to do it yourself. Believe your full of shit GF if you want, it's no skin off my nose.

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whitewidow says on May 6, 2009, 16:06:

you are supposed to put the powder IN your nose... atleast, that is what they tell me...

I'm no doper! I just play one on TV.

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Tinto (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on May 6, 2009, 16:06:

Mongo - the law or regulation permits personal use of cocaine, heroin and marijuana. I think the reasoning is related to personal expression/development/expansion of the mind or maybe a way to focus on the big fish. I suppose you could split hairs and say the personal expression rationale (if correct) is related to mental health, but the law doesn't restrict it to "medical use" like we might think of it, e.g. legal marijuana for glaucoma or chemo patients only.

UPDATE:
Here's the article I always post.
http://www.csdp.org/news/news/ap_colo_040304.htm

I wanted access to health care, housing and education, but, no, I get potholes, trash and silicone tits instead. -Desi.

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poco says on May 6, 2009, 16:12:

Ah, Tinto has it,, except for a link. So,, no meth,, what's that about? Meth is toooooo good for the poor folks?

and

Crack cocaine,, or Basuco,, why not let them have that?

I'm sure Colombia has LOTS of money to spend on rehabilitation of the addicts.

Colombia needs to spend more money on the addicts and LESS for people with moral convictions about drugs,, no,, if those folks who don't use drugs have a job and work,, spread their wealth to those losers who abuse the system.

PS: This is something I might mention when Colombians ask me about what the Prez of the U.S. is about,, he is sympathetic to the drug users of america. Yes,, we need to coddle those folks,, especially in California.

Colombian Chickens are crowing about the new President of the U.S. who will assure that From each according to their ability to each according to their need.

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Robert Jorge says on May 6, 2009, 16:19:

Mongo, settle down. It's the Internet, remember that. Don't imply a threat ... not cool. All due respect, just think about how really important this all is. Then laugh.

"You can not take the barrio out of the girl you really can't." Oneforamillion

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poco says on May 6, 2009, 16:23:

Quote: just think about how really important this all is. Then laugh.
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Yes,, but first,, get a battery,, wire their nuts up and turn on the juice,, remember,, a little salt water first and "Red is positive and Black is Negative".

Then laugh.

Colombian Chickens are crowing about the new President of the U.S. who will assure that From each according to their ability to each according to their need.

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goin_south says on May 6, 2009, 16:47:

while on a related note... in America (north! of course).... there is ? a push to legalize marijuana to help ease the tax burden that has been placed on the citizenry:

... A budget cure: Marijuana taxes?
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/StockInvestingTrading/a...
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I'm not sure they said anything about, or factored in, the resultant likely decrease in the gross national product.

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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La_Huella says on May 6, 2009, 17:06:

It is true that many Colombians are confused about the subject, apparently including more than one lawyer, but the truth is what it is.

I even have a pothead friend who insists it's illegal all over the country since a couple years ago. The truth is they keep TRYING to criminalize it, and each time the Constitutional Court steps in and says "no way Jose".

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Robert Jorge says on May 6, 2009, 17:14:

Mongo, I'll make you a deal. Let's meet Rubi next time I am in Colombia. I have a wierd feeling we would all have a blast. Of course La Huella would have to agree to it also. Life's to short to not have a good time and be civil - have a boys night out. Life would be real boring if everbody saw eye to eye. No?

"You can not take the barrio out of the girl you really can't." Oneforamillion

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whitewidow says on May 6, 2009, 17:31:

"apparently including more than one lawyer"

- i thought colombian lawyers were infallible........ that is what brians and gringoloid say anyways.

I'm no doper! I just play one on TV.

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Miguel_Clavo says on May 6, 2009, 18:22:

So is personal use amounts legal in Bogota or not? Oneforamillion says NoWayJose and LH is full of it, and LH says Si, Senor and O4M needs to read the law????

RVW orderded me to remove my tagline congratulating the PBH Mods New Golden Boys. Lame.

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La_Huella says on May 6, 2009, 19:54:

Tinto posted the link. Decide for yourselves.

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goin_south says on May 6, 2009, 22:34:

yeah, M_C... decide for yourself; take an ounce and to ask a local colombian cop what he thinks?
Tell him, it's only for REPORTAR EN PBH. ... jJJJAJJAJjjjaja

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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MitchAlvarez says on May 7, 2009, 08:55:

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dwmte7 says on May 8, 2009, 04:55:

i thought colombian lawyers were inflatable.

azunoman...."the good stuff grows wild".......hardly.

patriarch

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