Colombias future under Hilary Clinton

utopiacowboy says on Jun 24, 2005, 09:20:

Hard to say. She'd have to do some extensive polling before deciding what course of action to take. I hope that Colombia would recognize the new government of the Confederate States of America.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jun 24, 2005, 09:25:

with Ingrid Betancourt as the president of Colombia at the same time I think it could be the beginning of a beautiful friendship.

Cheers,
Desi

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lostinparadise says on Jun 24, 2005, 09:54:

What If Hillary became president. ?? Let me guess Bill would have excused to bring his ass over to Colombia more often and act like a big shot with the lovely ladies. You think Hillary would care ? Hey Bill let me show you the clubs without wife... Have fun in Colombia lets meet 4 brewssky and cigars smoke.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jun 24, 2005, 09:57:

with hilary and ingrid, the first thing we are going to do as presidents is to ban prostitution in Colombia, especially in Cali.
Cheers,
Desi
(already campaigning for the two ladies)

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Albatross says on Jun 24, 2005, 10:29:

So much for the ladies... Most prostitutes (women for whom you presume to speak) would not welcome your prurient, selfish intrusion into their personal and professional life.

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jun 24, 2005, 10:35:

oh yes they would and we'll get all their votes when we implement these special rehabilitation programs (with salary, of course) to make honest women out of them.
The only people unhappy about it would be the pasty gringos hanging out at "Chippy Chappy" Mall, but since they can't vote it doesn't matter.
Cheers,
Desi

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Albatross says on Jun 24, 2005, 11:02:

Doubtful... Some of those "dishonest" women make so much money doing what they do that they would laugh themselves into a coma when they heard what you would offer as a salary... only a fool actually thinks prostitutes really want to be "rehabilitated" (at least until their looks begin to fade).

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jun 24, 2005, 11:07:

that'd be fine they can choke in their own laughter for all that I care. Anyway, if these women have so much business sense I'm sure we could find them suitable managerial positions in the rehab bootcamps...
Hmmm...
Desi

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Mr. Hollywood says on Jun 24, 2005, 11:25:

I thought Desi, I thought you didn't have any problem with legalized prostitution, as long as everyone got paid fairly for their work?

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jun 24, 2005, 11:45:

Hollywood, why on earth would you have thought that? We don't have legalized prostitution in Sweden; yes we do have prostitutes but mainly recent immigrants from Eastern European countries. Prostitution in itself is not illegal here, buying the "services" offered by them is, however, criminalized.

Mainly, I'm just playing with the idea what would happen if Colombia had a female president i.e. Betancourt and if she would make prostitution illegal in Colombia.

Cheers,
Desi

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Mr. Hollywood says on Jun 24, 2005, 11:56:

My mistake I thought I remembered you saying something along those lines. Apparently I was wrong.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jun 24, 2005, 12:22:

no, hollywood I might have said (though I doubt it) that legal prostitution is better than illegal one. Must've been somebody else.

Getting back to the original topic, I think it would probably be a good idea get Hilary one of those pulseras guajiras too, you know, the bracelet with the colors of the flag (Colombian flag that is). That way she'll still remember Colombia exists when she gets elected president.

Cheers,
Desi

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jun 24, 2005, 12:39:

:) louisiana I'm so sure we'd get along with Hill just famously. But Colombia wouldn't be a safe place if Ingrid is the president there at the same time. You can run, but you can't hide.
Cheers,
Desi

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jun 24, 2005, 12:43:

oh no, I wouldn't ban all males from Colombia, why would I want to do that? Only the bad apples. Maybe we need to have a biometric passport for gringos too and an interview at DAS upon entering.....Oh, I can assure you Colombian males do know how to make babies too...
Cheers,
Desi

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Albatross says on Jun 24, 2005, 12:58:

The Irony is Hysterical... Sorry Desi that last comment was hilarious, the truth is that this "pasty gringo" from the good old US of A would get through a DAS screening so much faster than you would it would make your head spin.

But don't worry, perhaps I'll send you a postcard.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jun 24, 2005, 13:17:

ahh but then again you alba tross don't have any idea what we are going to ask you at the interview...DAS will have a whole new set of instructions how to screen the gringos....we'll only allow good, law-abiding citizens, not the ones who come to Colombia to look after cheap drugs and prostitutes...we don't want anybody cheapo down there.
Cheers,
Desi

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flaleo says on Jun 25, 2005, 09:26:

Banning prostitution? What a disgusting idea.

Next you'll tell them what god to pray to, what they can read, who they might marry, what they're allowed to discuss...

That's all any culture needs is more government intrusion. Leave the chicas alone.

Or, make it like the USA. Make it so prostitues must work in unacceptable conditions, with high risks, health hazards, low pay... what's the logic?

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jun 25, 2005, 14:23:

flaleo, methinks these girls working on the streets and in brothels are a health risk. Together with Hillary and Ingrid we'll find worthier occupations for them. I'm setting a bootcamp for reformed good-life girls in Cali in near future where they can learn usefull skills that'll benefit the society in general such as nursing, day-care, office etc. Nobody wil be forcing anybody to do anything, just providing a different life-style option for these girls who have very little choices in their lives.

Would they be so unreasonable as to refuse our rehab programs they will be confined to practice their "profession" in strictly limited quarters and heavily taxed. (vs, Reeperbahn or Amsterdam prosti quarters.)
Cheers,
Desi

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caslug says on Jun 25, 2005, 14:37:

Desi..you can ban all the "gringos" you want.. But the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of "customers" are single & MARRIED Colombians LIVING in COL that use them. NOT FOREIGNERS! Same with drug use in COL. In the US where prostition is ILLEGAL(99% of the US) AND there's LOTS of jobs and employment opp't. There's STILL women that VOLUNTARILY go into it, plus you have the entire sex industry. What's the different between a porn actress that's PAID for having sex on camera and a Prositute PAID for having sex in HOTEL room? Good luck trying to BAN porn.

Porn actress and Hookers work for the same reason, EASY MONEY! Heck if there was a huge demand for sex from WOMEN, TONS of guys would be doing it! A typicaly shop girl in COL makes what? 400-500k peso a month? Prostitute in COL can make that in a night or week. Try telling them to quit, you'll have pay them the same that they got before. If you do that, why not pay the undecuated men the same or is the rehab money ONLY for women? Would you pay ALL women a minimum to keep them from prostition?

BTW, there are some HARDCORE FEMINIST that actually THINK that women SHOULD be allowed to sell her "goods" on camera or not. BECAUSE it's the one business that WOMEN can DOMINATED(no pun intend). Look at the Porn actress they make MORE money than the men in the movies. Many start there own production companies.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jun 25, 2005, 14:52:

well, I'm not a "hardcore" feminist or actually not a feminist at all. I read an article recently in El Pais about this rehab program for prostitutes in Cali and I was quite impressed by the persons interviewed who wanted nothing more than learn a trade or some other skills that'd allow them to quit that line of work.

There are and will always be wome that are too lazy to earn an honest living. Yes, they should be allowed to work too, but taxed and and with health controls to ensure they're not spreading any diseases.

Casilug, I'm not, and I'll repeat it one more time, banning all the gringos! I just don't think sex industry is such a great thing.

Cheers,
Desi

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caslug says on Jun 25, 2005, 15:42:

I don't think it's fair.. "DAS will have a whole new set of instructions how to screen the gringos....we'll only allow good, law-abiding citizens, not the ones who come to Colombia to look after cheap drugs and prostitutes...we don't want anybody cheapo down there.".

A better plan might be to do like Indonesia or Thailand, where if you're caught w/ Drugs, foreigners or local, you go to jail for a VERY LONG TIME and if you smuggle you are executed! Irragardless of being a foreign or not. At least that way it's fair. Maybe same with prostitution, like in Iran or some Muslim countries where they throw the women in Jail or even kill her. They don't have lots of hookers in those countries. I say if you're going to ban something, lets do it right! But if you're(society) is not WILLING to go ALL the way, then legalize(decriminalize), regulated, & tax it!

As for the sex industry good or bad, that's really individual choice, why should gov't get involved? Since the beginning of time, sex is integral part and watching sex or paying for it has gone on for eons, just like people taking "drugs(alchohol, coca leaves, etc.,) to escape the pressure of life. You're trying to change basic human behaivor with LAWS. Explain to me why watching PORN is bad? Is it any worse than watching people kiss in the movies? That's basically what the US Supreme court rule, when US gov't tried to have PORN outlawed.

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vladimiro says on Jun 25, 2005, 17:17:

Banning prostitution I think banning prostitution would be about as popular in Colombia as banning Aguardiente.

"Maybe same with prostitution, like in Iran or some Muslim countries where they throw the women in Jail or even kill her."

Actually prostitution is perfectly legal in Iran. They call it "temporary marriage" and it allows you to pay a girl to "marry" you for just 15 minutes, an hour, or for any limited amount of time.

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utopiacowboy says on Jun 25, 2005, 23:01:

Go ahead and ban gringos. As they say on the Solo en Español forum, muerto para los gringos!!!! In fact you English-speakers ought to check that forum out once in awhile even if your Spanish is no better than mine. They're dissing you gringos bad, man! I think they think that we can't understand what they're saying but I can understand insults pretty well. After all I am married to a Colombiana who does not speak English. Do you think I can't understand what she's saying after 2 years of marriage? Give me a break! This site is a hoot.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jun 26, 2005, 02:18:

you're funny, cowboy nobody is dissing gringos in Solo en Español, except you yourself! I think it's kind of charming that you'd be so interested in what people are saying about gringos that you hop between all forums spreading rumours like the worst "chismosa" or gossiper.

Anyway, I'm off PBH for a time now.
Cheers,
Desi

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flaleo says on Jun 26, 2005, 08:38:

I find the disire to legislate one's morality to be nothing short of selfish and outright disgusting. Leave the girls alone.

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utopiacowboy says on Jun 26, 2005, 10:38:

Actually I could care less wh Actually I could not care less what anyone is saying about anyone. There might be some entertainment value in it though.

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Albatross says on Jun 27, 2005, 04:03:

Women over 30... I think Colombia should ban all unattractive foreign women over 30. It might dilute their gene pool.

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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