Colombians, you can not visit Jordan!

chutzpah says on Jun 2, 2005, 05:59:

I say: so what.
Is it important whether or not someone can visit Jodan?
Is it important whether or not someone can visit the Middle East?

All rough area. There are nicer spots on this earth than the Middle east.
For example Colombia, Venezuela, or even the DRC is nicer.

Rubiazo says on Jun 2, 2005, 06:41:

I have news for you you have a hell of a hard time visiting Canada the US the UK Spain etc as well!

juanalejo says on Jun 2, 2005, 07:31:

Jordan I tried going to Jordan last year but the visa process, which if you live in Colombia has to be done by New York, takes such a long time I finally gave up. I need my passport more than the time they keep it to give me my visa. Still looking forward to visit Petra one day.
And yes it is important to visit Jordan and the Middle East, more than many other popular spots in the world in my opinion.

teppar says on Jun 2, 2005, 08:25:

i doubt its because you're colombian... the reason you can't go to jordan is unlikely because you are colombian, but because you have an isreali stamp in your passport. i'm gathering that is the case since you said you were studying in jerusalem. many countries in the middle east will not allow entry to those who have isreali visa stamps in their passports....

cheers

kernow62 says on Jun 2, 2005, 09:04:

Chutzpah Jordon is a beautiful country, and the people are nice. Why wouldn't someone want to visit Jordan?

Rubiazo says on Jun 2, 2005, 09:14:

I'd love to see a bomb drop on that whole area. We would kill so many Jews Christians AND Muslims. We would get rid of a big ole chunk of each religion's fundamentalists, and the resulting scienfitic, economic, and social progress would be phenomenal.

Hopefully it would happen during peak tourist season when a whole army of bible-thumping morons from North America are there gawking at a bunch of shit they'll never understand. I even have a couple relatives in mind.

kernow62 says on Jun 2, 2005, 09:17:

I think to get rid of Christian fundamentalists you would have to bomb the US, not enough of them visit the holy land. Especially since there is now a holy land tourist attraction in Orlando! Why go to Italy, Germany, England etc. when you can go to EPCOT. ja ja

Miguel says on Jun 2, 2005, 09:28:

kernow62 Eso fue magnífico. And Rubiazo, good point about the US/UK and Spain. Ain't that the truth!

Cessi says on Jun 2, 2005, 11:15:

Jordan is amazing! Jordan is an amazing country, actually one of the most amazing countries I`ve ever been to. And Tepper, you can go to Jordan even though you have an israeli stamp in your passport. Two of the main boarders are between Eilat (Israel) and Acaba (Jordan) and the King Abdullah bridge between Jerusalem and Amman so that`s not a problem. The problem would be to continue to for example Syria or Lebanon.

And Chutzpah Jordan is not a rough area. It`s really calm and the people there are soo friendly, not to talk about the culture and the history you can find there. Try to be a little bit more open minded, even you can learn something over there. You know, not all arabs are fundamentalist or suicide bombers, the mayority are actually "normal" decent people.

poco says on Jun 2, 2005, 11:43:

Yes,, maybe it is amazing Funny post, Jordan is where many Engineers working in Iraq change planes on route to their “offices� in the middle of a military camp. I asked one what Jordan was like,, his eyes widened and he said “You’ve got to be kidding me, and chuckled�.

This isn’t to say there is something wrong with Jordan, BUT, he eMailed me last year saying he was in Medellin for his "vacation" and wanted to know where I was. You may know,, more than 35 days inside the U.S. in a 365 day period and you PAY income tax on the first 80,000. So here is a guy,, round trip ticket to ANYWHERE in the world, working, I think, 6 weeks in Iraq with 2 off and where does he go? He is married and might also fly his wife from U.S. to meet him in locations like England.

"Violence is the first refuge of the incompetent" - Isaac Asimov

chutzpah says on Jun 2, 2005, 23:39:

Submitted by kernow62 on Thu, 06/02/2005 - 16:04.

Chutzpah Jordon is a beautiful country, and the people are nice. Why wouldn't someone want to visit Jordan?

Just because there are much nicer places to visit like Colombia, Venezuela, Brazil, the Seychelles, DRC, Indonesia......its just nicer to live in a green country rather than in something dried out with a lot of desert.
I stayed a long time in Leticia and surrounding areas.
Thats to where I could return immediately.

Dolfi says on Jun 3, 2005, 02:05:

These guys must be joking, an arab can´t go anwhere in the western world without a visa. Maybe it´s just retalliation?

kat1 (Moderator) says on Jun 3, 2005, 05:12:

Jordan have to pay me to visit them, why I want to go there?

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juanalejo says on Jun 3, 2005, 06:51:

History Kat, History, that is why people go there. Maybe if people learned more about other countries the world would be a better place, and thoughts like that of Rubiazo would not ever have to appear and therefore events like that of the World Trade Center would never occur again.

quindioman says on Jun 3, 2005, 07:26:

juanalejo you may be right on the Colombian point.
I am Colombian with a Colombian passport and have noticed that the passport is more than a hindrance than anything else.
I can see why you would want to visit Jordan (and quite amazed at the ones that don't).
I don't travel as much as I would like and one reason is the Colombian passport doesn't allow me to travel on the spur of the moment....like a lot of friends and colleagues who get up on a Friday and feel like getting the Eurostar to Paris.....I have to book and appointment at the French Consulate (pay for a premium rate phone number), pay another £40 odd pound for the actual visa....it's such a hassle.....I got refused a tourist visa for the states last year....the only time I got a visa without hassles was when I went to Thailand a couple of years ago.....I don't know why you were refused a Visa to Jordan but I'll bet you that that Colombian passport didn't help your cause much......still keep trying...I know you'll make it to Jordan one day

kat1 (Moderator) says on Jun 3, 2005, 07:53:

I know about the history Juanalejo but still I am not interested in going, maybe is not in my priorities of countries list to visit and never have been nor any arab country.:-(

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juanalejo says on Jun 3, 2005, 08:09:

C-C I was not refused the visa to Jordan, it simply took so long to get it, I could not afford being without a passport for that length of time, but it is still in my priorities.

quindioman says on Jun 3, 2005, 08:24:

oops.... sorry juanalejo.....i meant El viajero....I hope he does get to go to Jordan....

Cessi says on Jun 3, 2005, 12:08:

You must me kidding me!!! Are you guys kidding me, I mean you think the mayarity of you guys would be open minded since many of you are not colombians living in colombia, but still you get all these comentes like from kat1 "Jordan have to pay me to visit them, why I want to go there?". What! you guys think all arabs are just bad people or what? The mayority of them are just soo great, at least make the effort of getting to know some of them before making your judgements. It`s exactely the same thing with what is happening to colombia and the colombians. People just judge by what they hear like they are all gerilleros, narco traficantes, sicarios etc. but we all know how untrue that is don`t we.

Rubiazo says on Jun 3, 2005, 12:49:

No problem with Arabs per se I have a problem with Islam because I think it's fucking retarded. But there are lots of great people who are Arabs, usually the kind who will drink beers and watch porn.

Christianity I have a big problem with on the other hand. It is the one religion that actually completely rejects the validity of all other religions.

I also think it's disgusting that Colombians are treated that way by the world. Apparently it really is true, they can't go ANYWHERE without a hassle, even next door to Brazil, Venezuela etc. My novia has been from one corner of Colombia to the next, but with her 27th birthday coming up she has NEVER been able to travel out of the country. I'd have to marry her just for her to VISIT me here.

dwmte says on Jun 3, 2005, 14:14:

wooah, cessi.... if by arab, you inadvertantly imply 'muslim' any 'black paint' they have on their face, they earn. daily.

you never and i mean NEVER hear them line up and denounce the cruelties perpetrated in the name of GOD. they cry "GOD is great" as they behead a man, a woman a child. and if al zarqawi is the spoksman for the delivered, "killing muslims is justified if it advances the jihad."

jihad is HOLY WAR. boy is that an oxymoron. murder and meyhem in the name of GOD. does it get any better?

there was an article in the news recently stating the near 20% of the world's gross domestic product is being spent dealing with islamic terrorism. and you think reticence at seeing, visiting, knowing about the islamic world is out of line?

i lived, worked and married in the middle east, 1/4 of my life and i even became a muslim. the whole world has given them a 'chance'. they don't need a chance. they need to live by the accepted standards of the world, join the world community and stop accusing everyone for their problems. murder and terrorism being the most prominent.

patience on the part of the world is running very thin. the blind, murderous islamic fundamentalist never misses a chance to miss a chance. now, they're harranguing in the world press that they want a nuclear device so they can attack the u.s. or europe. history is such a repository of teaching. where was the message missed. in the first world war, the muslim countries sided with the germans. in the second world war, the muslim nations sided with the germans. am i missing something? duh

are these people we want living next door?

i can only speak for me, and the answer is quite simply, no.

dw

adrimm says on Jun 3, 2005, 14:31:

World media machine Paints everyone from the middle-east as fundamentalist, just as it paints everyone colombian as drug dealers.

kat1 (Moderator) says on Jun 3, 2005, 16:19:

Did I said that arab people was bad? nooooooooooo they are fine people only that i am not interested in any arab country, is that bad? and that's it. yes the history is interesting but I don't want to go there, no yet

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jun 3, 2005, 16:27:

Cessi Trust me I am very open minded but I am sorry I am not interesting in any Arab country. And I don't think every Arab is a terrorist NO WAY!

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rjstuff says on Jun 3, 2005, 16:53:

Something must be missing in Jordan Do they have Aguila? If they do - and some music - many Colombians will be there starting Le Carnaval De Jordan!

chutzpah says on Jun 3, 2005, 16:53:

Right, The entire middle east is not secure, its dry there, the food is lousy and everything is full of mulim and israeli terrorists.

caslug says on Jun 3, 2005, 16:57:

There is sooo many places and country in the world... How can we visit them all. Each has it's own particular charm. If you happen to like or dislike or have no opinion of a country, so what. If Jordan doesn't rock kat's boat why give her grief. Heck that's like someone saying, why are WE(all posters) so interested in COL. There many people that love Jordan, maybe there's a poorbuthappyjordan forum out there for those people. LOL...

poco says on Jun 3, 2005, 17:35:

IT DOES GET BETTER jihad is HOLY WAR. boy is that an oxymoron
GOD The grand reason

While working in a Mid Eastern “secured site� ie: no one but employees were allowed. I laid a pocket knife down behind me,, I was told,, you better not leave things laying around,, surprised, I said,, do people steal things? No they don’t steal it,, IF ALLAH DID NOT WANT THEM TO HAVE IT, HE WOULD NOT HAVE MADE YOU LEAVE IT SO THEY COULD GET IT.
GOD: The grand provider.

Son, you are too young for sex? Father I heard ALLAH speak to me and say go forth and copulate, the Camel was closest.
GOD: a great excuse.

This is NOT everyone, no information on percentages.

"Violence is the first refuge of the incompetent" - Isaac Asimov

vladimiro says on Jun 3, 2005, 22:00:

Visit the MidEast through movies and novels. If you can't travel there, you can still get a better idea about a country by reading their novels or watching thier movies....

Have you seen the movies coming out of the MidEast lately? A significant part of the film festival held at Santa Fe de Antioquia near Medellin this year was dedicated to Iranian film, and for good reason, the culture and people depicted in these poetic films are fascinating (and are such a pleasant contrast to the superficial, and politicized info we get from the media).

Why else would a campesino, colonial village in Colombia, South America of all places dedicate so much time to "Cine Irani"?

http://www.festicineantioquia.com/index.htm


dwtm,

Do you not have an Iranian daughter (from your Iranian wife)? I would bet my life that she has a distinct persian pride. Which makes it even worse. What a shame it must be for your daughter the way you speak about her family, and her culture.

platano says on Jun 3, 2005, 22:10:

Defiling the sacred... jihad is spiritual growth not holy war Primary Concepts : Jihad

In the current political climate, the concept of jihad has become mired in controversy and confusion. In Arabic, jihad literally means “effort or struggle,� yet the term has become synonymous with “holy war,� depending upon the context in which it is used and who is using it.

The Council on American-Islamic Relations, a leading Muslim political lobbying organization, gives this definition: “Jihad does not mean ‘holy war.’ Literally, jihad means to strive, struggle and exert effort. It is a central and broad Islamic concept that includes struggle against evil inclinations within oneself, struggle to improve the quality of life in society, struggle in the battlefield for self-defense (e.g. having a standing army for national defense), or fighting against tyranny or oppression.�

At the same time, however, militant Islamic groups that engage in warfare have incorporated the term into their name and rhetoric, frequently using it to exhort followers to violently engage those they perceive as enemies.

The Quran urges Muslims to “fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits� (Surah 2:190). Most Islamic scholars say that means warfare in self-defense is permissible, but initiating warfare is not.

Fighting on the battlefield is also referred to as jihad al-asghar (“lesser jihad�), while fighting the inner spiritual struggle is called jihad akbar (“greater jihad�).

SOURCE: Center for Integration and Improvement in Journalism, San Francisco State University

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platano says on Jun 3, 2005, 22:13:

Muslims condemn terrorist attacks... this is not a complete list Muslims Condemn Terrorist Attacks

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kernow62 says on Jun 3, 2005, 23:00:

So Platano, by defending Iraq they are following the Quran. Makes perfect sense to me.

Wouldn't people of the US fight if their land was invaded? I should hope they would and have no doubt they would. Would that make them terrorists? hmmm?

platano says on Jun 3, 2005, 23:15:

Kernow, I understand you are British so you may remember... when those terrorists of 1776 attacked the redcoat British troops. Their roadside attacks (like today's IEDs), and their great determination and their great sacrifice, finally drove the British out of the British's own colonies -- over a tax on tea or some such nonsense.

Those New England rabble rousers are now called, like the FARC calls themselves, "revolutionaries" instead of being called the law-breaking terrorists they were, and the FARC is today. Guess it all depends on perspective. If FARC wins, and a new more equitable and just Colombia arises, someday they could look back on the great sacrifice made by the "FARC patriots." The winners write history I guess.

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poco says on Jun 4, 2005, 00:51:

Not quite that simple History is History.

England incurred enormous costs “winning� the French Indian war. England ratified their control of the seas in 1763 and TRIED to place heavy taxes on the Colonies to pay for the war. (maybe why England “lost� half the world, including French Canada and of course Pakistan and India.)

Given Britain’s exertions on the North American continent for the sake of colonial security, both ministers and members of Parliament determined that the colonies were obligated to share the costs of empire. But the war exposed the weakness of British administrative control in the colonies on various fronts. The subsequent efforts on the part of royal officials to rectify these deficiencies and collect unprecedented amounts of revenue violated what many American colonists understood as the clear precedent of more than a century of colonial-imperial relations. New world institutions of self-government and trade, having matured in an age of salutary neglect, would resist and ultimately rebel against perceived British encroachment. Taxation policy became a central point of contention, because it tended to threaten both the prosperity and autonomy of colonial society.

U.S. Taxation History, complete article

Platano: Congratulations on one more piece of eloquent punditry directed at shifting blame for your perceived deficits in others while making inane comparisons. PS: The year is 2005.

"Violence is the first refuge of the incompetent" - Isaac Asimov

kernow62 says on Jun 4, 2005, 05:45:

The point is a terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Nothing inane about that.

kernow62 says on Jun 4, 2005, 05:46:

Or should that be "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter".

platano says on Jun 4, 2005, 08:52:

poco, you got me ROTFL!!! with "history is history".... Historians are as dependant upon literary invention as upon documents. History cannot be written without the aid of the fictions of historiography. The difference between the historian and the novelist is narrower than we may have been accustomed to think. Attention to the literary or rhetorical dimension of history is long overdue.

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Oxigeno Verde ¡Libertad por Ingrid y los demás!

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Cessi says on Jun 4, 2005, 09:45:

dwmte, when I talk about arabs I do not only refere to muslims but to all arabs because in difference to you I do not tend to judge people depending on their religion. You see I also lived several years in the Middle East. I`m not a muslim but many of my best friends were and still are and one thing you learn about the Koran is that it`s a very unclear book which enables people or mostly the imams to make their own interpretations of the Koran. Obviously people will always interpretate the words in a way that will justify thier actions and then use it in the name of religion. However as Platano said Jihad literally means struggle and as a practicant muslim you`re supposed to defend your belief. However, it doesn`t say in the Koran that you`re supposed to do it in a bloody way or that you`re supposed to use violence. That the islamic extremist groups have turned the word Jihad into a word so full of violence and hatred has nothing to do with the Koran or the rest of the arab population. What you`re saying is that a whole group of people should be judged by how some extremists interpret the Koran?

You also said that the whole world has given "them" a chance, well I chance for what???? "They" do not need a chance from the world they need the world to accept their believes, (which for the mayority of the practicing muslims is not violent)thier traditions, thier language, thier way of living just as the world respect these same things in any other culture.

Gomezman5 says on Jun 4, 2005, 10:32:

Jordan??? I could see going to Jordan as part of an overall mid east tour. But, first it is expensive to fly to any middle eastern country. Second. It is one of the poorest and the sight seeing is very limited. Third. Security concerns. But I forgot this is PBH, where almost everyone thinks Colombia the bastion of peace and traunquility. I would think the combination Israel/Egypt tour would be much more bang for the buck. No two countires can offer as much sight seeing as those two can. In the case of Israel, you have a little of everything from archolgical, to biblical,as well r&r attractions with beaches (and women) that rival the worlds best vacations spots. As Egypt goes, I think it is obvious how interesting that troup would be. But Jordan alone?? This person is already studying in Israel, so it makes sense to visit Jordan. This person has probably seen everything else in Israel and has assuredly been to Egupt. But for a person to fly from the US or SA just to go to Jordan......Makes no sense.

When you factor in the attititude of their consulate toward giving out embassies (long waits) then for sure it makes no sense to go. It tells you up front that this country is not terribly interested in promoting
tourism

juanalejo says on Jun 4, 2005, 10:55:

Travelling the world does not imply only seeing specific sites, it also has to do with experiencing the real life of the people in those specific countries. And Jordan does have a lot to offer, just as Israel and Egypt. And no it does not have to do with political or religious views in those places. And when people like me can not really afford leaving my office for more than a week or two at a time, tours are out of the question. Plus who wants to go in a stupid tour. And less than one week in one country....makes no sense. So I have been to Egypt, loved it, and also to Israel nice also. Now missing Jordan, and Lebanon and Turkey and the Arab Emirates to see what the hype is all about there. But then again, those who live in paradise simply go to Vegas once, Epcot twice and they have seen the world.

kernow62 says on Jun 4, 2005, 11:18:

Try to go to Turkey Juanalejo, it is fantastic. My cousin lived there for many years, speaks the language etc. He turned me on to the fact that Turkey has one of the largest modern furniture industries in the world. He noticed that my wife and I love modern design when he stayed with us and put us in touch with a factory there. In fact the sofa in my office is one we picked out from Turkey.

As for Jordan, the scenery is fantastic, parts of it look just like Colorado or the area around the Grand Canyon.

I like to travel to a specific country for about a month at least, I couldn't go on a tour. However I think a visit to Jordan and perhaps another destination in the area might make a lot of sense.

My problem is there are so many places I want to visit in the world and I have neither the time or the money.

Tops right now for me, UK and Colombia excepted; would be Chile, Argentina, Brazil, New Zealand, Mexico and Canada. I have a pal from the UK who moved to Curitiba in Brazil and really loves it. I would like to pop down and check that city out. Its BRT was the model for the Transmilenio. His Brazilian wife can even cook British food!

Gomezman5 says on Jun 4, 2005, 13:54:

Kernow....those are all great places you mentioned But if parts of Jordan are like Colorado, I will stick with Colorado. If you have a month to spend touring somewhere, then I certainly would not reccomend a tour. Tours are so structure and confining. But Juanalejo says he cannot get away for more than a week or so, than a tour is even more indicated. I know Mexico City very well. But if you are only going to go there a week. You absolutely should take one of those day long tours. No doubt about it. First, without it, you will never find all the tourist sights and museums. That city is makes New York look like a peanut. Second, after you take the tour, you become familiar with all the sites that are there for you, and you can decide what appeals to you and what places require a second visit. That you can do on your own. These travel guides and their brief descriptions never really give you a real idea of what you want to see. What sounds interesting may not be. As a compromise, especially in place like Latin American, they have private tours that are well wortht the money. I will use Mexico City again as an example. If you think that you will find your way from one place to another without getting lost.

You will waste more time getting frustrated riding around in taxis that pretend they don't know where things are, just so they can milk you for money. Private tour guides are your best bet, especially if it is a short stay. And they ussually are not that much more expensive than a regular tour. When you consider the money you pay for airfare and hotels, a private guide for a day to aquaint you with what a locale has to offer can't be beat

ronalddon says on Jun 4, 2005, 14:56:

Israely stamp in your passport Jordan The reason of your entry refusal in Jordan is probably the fact that you lived in Jerusalem and have a Israely stamp in your passport. I have a UK passport and was refused for that reason in Jordan, Lebanon and Syria

kernow62 says on Jun 4, 2005, 15:03:

I agree Gomez, perhaps a guided tour is in order, but I was referring to a tour for the entire holiday. You know the sort, "see all the capitals of Europe in a week" sort of tours. When I go to the UK, I hire a car, I rent a house and then I go out on my own. However cities like Bath for example are best seen from the top of a double-decker, so I take short guided tours here and there.

Gomezman5 says on Jun 4, 2005, 15:08:

I don't like Bath I prefer Showers.........

kernow62 says on Jun 4, 2005, 15:14:

What; a wit? Or is that twit. ;-)

chutzpah says on Jun 4, 2005, 20:36:

Submitted by ronalddon on Sat, 06/04/2005 - 21:56.

The reason of your entry refusal in Jordan is probably the fact that you lived in Jerusalem and have a Israely stamp in your passport. I have a UK passport and was refused for that reason in Jordan, Lebanon and Syria

Ronalddon, next time try not to have so much stamps from all those rogue countries.
Then they let you in anywhere you want. ;)

adrimm says on Jun 5, 2005, 12:16:

backpacker in Turkey I dunno about a whole tour, I agree w Kernow think that it would be best to go, wander around and then take a few day tours to supplement your own experiences. Wealthy Colombians remind me of middle-aged Japanese tourists in that they often flock to guided-on-leash tours. I guess language can play a role where in some places some English is spoken, but no Spanish is spoken, and it can be intimidating to not have a clue what signs say or what is being said. I also understand that sometime the only way Colombians can get visas to some countries is to be part of a hand-led tour. How painfully unfortunate.

This guy went and had a great time travelling around independently, has some fabulous photos of Cappadocia and other parts of Turkey.
http://europebound.smaku.com/

andrea_despentes says on Jun 6, 2005, 15:08:

what annoys me is how the international media loves to cricify colombia, but fail to focus on places far worse than colombia, with far more crime, far more gruesomeness like brazil or mexico

check nationamster.com and they have colombia as the supposedly most violent nation on the planet, putting murder rates dated from 1992!!!
and they dont even put brazil a place where murders exceed those in colombia TODAY, on the list.

mexico is the number one kidnapping nation today, followed by brazil, yet u dont hear the international media making a big deal outta it

let's not even go to russia, russia is today like colombia was in the 1990's

colombia is getting its act clean, and they still hate us

i even had a confrontation with a puerto rican guy who accused colombians of being criminals, imagine that!!! coming from a puerto rican!! with the horrendous reputation that people have in NYC

i personally dont care if people hate us, i am proud to be colombian and i will never change, and if i was born again i would choose to be colombian again

juanalejo says on Jun 6, 2005, 15:45:

Andrea Do not say it too loud, you might get a well documented response by one or two forum people here, telling you that you must be on something if you are a proud Colombian. But do not worry I will be there to back you up.

ElViajero says on Jun 7, 2005, 07:48:

Andres_despentes, normally I avoid to defend my country just pointing out the same defects in others. I use to do that only when I see that others have just the bad intention to run down our country easily. Knowing many foreigners, it is easy to make a distinction between those who do not know Colombia and have the idea they get from international mass media and those who have been in Colombia. I have learnt many answers to bad commentaries on Colombia. Here some… maybe you know more.

-So… you are Colombia, maybe you have coca, eh?
R/ so sorry sir, if you like it, you got the wrong person.

-Is it true everyone in Colombia has a gun?
R/I really don’t know about it. Sure neither myself nor my family. But I know that all the people that use them, normally buy it in countries like… yours.

-It is well known the Colombian politic is the most corrupt of the world.
R/ I don’t believe so much in politicians, but I am sure your politicians are not better than the ones of my country.

-Terrible the statistics about Colombian street children…
R/ Sure, but also we use to be happy about all those institutions and people working on this reality in my country… didn’t you know about them?

-Yes, Colombia, the most violent country of the world.
R/ Yes, we got that world investigation. If you are so well inform about Colombia, maybe you know all about our fights for peace, justice and development as well. But just tell me about your country… is it a kind of heaven?

Well, sure, they are just point start of further discussions. What would you answer, being you Colombian or a friend or Colombian?

El Viajero Paisa