Colombian's life not worth much in the US

briarblue says on Jul 1, 2008, 06:11:

I'm certain the Texas homeowner asked the intruders their nationality before deciding whether to shoot-to-kill or not. Oh darn---you should have answered something besides Colombiano.

Pathetic hyperbole.

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carolva77 says on Jul 1, 2008, 06:19:

Please, if you get in my house or my neighborhs house and I have a gun, trust me I have all the right to shoot you; and those colombians were here ILLEGALLY, they should not be in the country, let alone robbing people.

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tasco66 says on Jul 1, 2008, 06:19:

Pathetic your comment my friend! My comment is in regards to the fact that he was not indicted for the killing.

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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carolva77 says on Jul 1, 2008, 06:21:

tasco, In Virginia if you get into my house uninvited and I shoot you, there would not be any indictment. I would be using my right to self defense.
There is a lot of guns in the South.

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nine inch nails says on Jul 1, 2008, 06:23:

I don't care where you from but you violate my safety/security well...

GOD BLESS TEXAS

Plus I'm sure a lot of the same or even worse occurs in Colombia!

get down, get down. are you afraid of the boogie monster?

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tasco66 says on Jul 1, 2008, 06:27:

carolva77 and nine inch nails did you read the post? It was not in his house. Typical mentality, shoot first, read the post later.

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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tasco66 says on Jul 1, 2008, 06:28:

"those colombians were here ILLEGALLY"

Pathetic hyperbole?

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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Monpirri says on Jul 1, 2008, 06:30:

I think Joe Horn should go to JAIL!

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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morphus says on Jul 1, 2008, 06:30:

Burglar's life not worth much in the US. At least not in Texas. I don't think it would have mattered if they were Colombian or redneck. Try working as a repoman in Texas. See if you don't get shot at.

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carolva77 says on Jul 1, 2008, 06:34:

well they were in the country illegally. that is a fact.

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morphus says on Jul 1, 2008, 06:37:

Maybe they did'nt want to clean toilets and work with Mexicans.

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tejasmarcos says on Jul 1, 2008, 06:37:

the right to protect your property in texas is absolute including the use of deadly force. the right to protect your neighbors home with deadly force is not - 2 counts of murder in my book.

trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine...

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carolva77 says on Jul 1, 2008, 06:41:

tejasmarcos, I believe that if you see a situation as a citize where you believe the use of force would mean save someone's life [even property] I think you do not have the "intent" to kill that person.
I saw that guy who shoot the robbers on FOX and I think he was probably not right, but he thought it was his onlyway to stop a potential robbery or worst.
This is not a good moment to be an illegal alien robbing citizens in texas, just saying

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webmanco says on Jul 1, 2008, 06:42:

Carlova
but he thought it was his onlyway to stop a potential robbery

The guy kind of when out chasing them, the robbers where already leaving, regardless where were they from or if they were legal residents or not.


Since when two wrongs make one right?

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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morphus says on Jul 1, 2008, 06:42:

You can't protect your neighbor's home? Tell that to a Texan jury.

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carolva77 says on Jul 1, 2008, 06:45:

It does not make it right, but in texas you get the death penalty very easily. They are very death penalty and gun happy.
The situation in the US is very hard right now for illegal aliens. Non Criminal illegal aliens of all nationalities are being stopped by law enforcement just for speeding. I dont think they care for illegal aliens and on top of it , robbers.
Just saying, it might not be right, it is the reality of the US right now.

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morphus says on Jul 1, 2008, 06:46:

In Colombia, they shoot you for stealing a peice of gum from the store.

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webmanco says on Jul 1, 2008, 06:47:

gun happy

wrong happy

Morphus
In Colombia, they shoot you for stealing a peice of gum from the store.

Not true

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Jul 1, 2008, 06:47:

The guy's 9-1-1 calls seemed a bit boastful but who knows...none of us were there and we don't know the entire context. If there's any good to come of this, the widespread publicity might make some scumbag think twice before robbing a home.

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webmanco says on Jul 1, 2008, 06:49:

The widespread publicity also can make kind of valid the excuse in the future

Sorry I thought they were robbers so I kill them all three.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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briarblue says on Jul 1, 2008, 06:52:

Tasco, with all due respect, your tagline has nothing to do with the homeowner being indicted or not. If you just wanted to debate whether the grand jury's decision was just or not, you could do so without using a heading that says that a Colombiano's life is not worth much in the U.S. Your post heading uses hyperbole that plays on the emotions and fears of many people. I find using it pathetic...doesn't mean that you're a bad guy or anything. We'd probably enjoy a brew together and have a few laughs, but I'd still tell you that your post heading was a pathetic way to draw attention to your real desire to debate the grand jury's decision.

That being said, I do know that if I were to ever decide that I was going to rob, burglarize or steal from someone's home (which I'd never do)---I'd certainly understand that I run the risk of getting shot and killed by the homeowner, the neighbor, the police, etc., whether I was still inside the home or running away.

I value both your property and my life---I ain't breakin' into your home or your neighbors.

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carolva77 says on Jul 1, 2008, 06:53:

webmanco you know, you are right, but that is their law. Texans like it like that and whereever you go you got to obey the rule of law. Trust me I dont have anything against illegal aliens, I have plenty of friends that are illegal aliens. I have seen the human side of the immigration.
However I do not have any sympathy for robbers or people that invade houses to take stuff that is not theirs. And if they are in the country illegally, oh well. They got what they were looking for. In the US you still can work hard and buy food, there is not need to go on commiting felonies for money

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morphus says on Jul 1, 2008, 06:56:

Why wait until they kill someone? Burglars are known to panic and get violent. Maybe hit you over the head with a lamp and crush your skull. If they see your wife or daughter in their pajamas, they might get the urge to rape them. They'll even tie you up and make you watch. It happens all the time.

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tejasmarcos says on Jul 1, 2008, 06:56:

there had to be more to the story. otherwise, i see this decision as a fluke.

trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine...

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carolva77 says on Jul 1, 2008, 06:59:

morphus, that happened in Richmond last new years eve, 4people killed.
If they get into my house, our friend the 45 will greet them accordingly

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bamacellist says on Jul 1, 2008, 06:59:

Yes, this is a huge expansion of rights of self defense. It seems preposterous. In fact, the police in any jurisdiction would be in huge trouble if they had shot burglars who were merely fleeing a crime scene, unless they could demonstrate they were actually being threatened. This would also be true of homeowners in most states. The right of self defense and the right to protect one's domicile, allow for the use of deadly force only when it is a response to an equal threat. In this case there was most likely no such threat to the shooter. You get a lot of leeway when it ocurrs inside your home, but usually none once they've hit the curb and you are safe. Here, we're not even talking about SELF defense or defense of ONE'S OWN property. This decision is motivated by politics, not legality. The fact that they were in the country illegaly should have no relevance at all in the discussion of the legality of the Joe Horn's actions.

"The future is much like the present, only longer."

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morphus says on Jul 1, 2008, 07:01:

I've heard of fathers getting raped in front of their families by burglars. Poor guys had to leave home because they were too ashamed to face their families. You want to be that guy?

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carolva77 says on Jul 1, 2008, 07:03:

I dont know if legally the fact that these 2 colombians were here illegally has any weight, but with the political climate in the US against illegals, I would not rob a house if I were one

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morphus says on Jul 1, 2008, 07:07:

Legal or illegal, they can still get a job in the US. Now, if gringos started going to Latin American countries and started robbing homes, it would be justified. Not ONE job has been given to a gringo in Latin America.

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briarblue says on Jul 1, 2008, 07:11:

Bama: Great---I can rob your home before you get a chance to fire your gun at me and then run outside to stand on the curb yelling nah, nah, nah nah-nah---you can't shoot me. Maybe that doesn't apply in Texas?

Even given my observations, it is a little surprising that a grand jury didn't indict. I don't see not indicting to let the case be tried in front of a jury. Maybe Texans feel it would be a waste of the state's taxpayer's dollars to try the case. I'll leave that up to Texans.

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morphus says on Jul 1, 2008, 07:12:

Theres a good movie about gringos that go to Colombia and break into a drug lord's house and rob his safe. Its called "High Risk"

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kalder says on Jul 1, 2008, 07:18:

Well done Mr. Horn.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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willard says on Jul 1, 2008, 07:22:

Unless you've been a victim of crime you don't really understand. They got what they deserved. "Don't Mess With Texas."

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mranderson says on Jul 1, 2008, 07:31:

They were there illegally so they should have never been there in the first place. There's no case.

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Jul 1, 2008, 07:32:

Does anyone know why this went to a grand jury (for a debate over whether to indict) rather than straight to arrest and prosecution?

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carolva77 says on Jul 1, 2008, 07:36:

tinto because of the intent. Horn acted on "self defense" or os he thought. And the grand jury is part of the prosecution

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morphus says on Jul 1, 2008, 07:41:

The grand jury was the best way to keep him from getting convicted. Must work great in vigilante cases in Texas. Nobody wants to see a vigilante go to prison. Especially in Texas.

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briarblue says on Jul 1, 2008, 07:44:

Tinto, for what it's worth, here's a cut-n-paste from Wikipedia:

A plain clothes police detective responding to the 911 call had arrived at the scene before the shooting and witnessed the escalation and shootings, while remaining in his car.[3] His report on the incident indicated that the men who were killed "received gunfire from the rear".[1] Police Capt. A.H. Corbett stated the two men ignored Mr. Horn's order to freeze and one of the suspects ran towards Joe Horn before he angled away from him toward the street when he was shot in the back. Pasadena police confirmed that the two men were shot after they ventured into his front yard. The detective did not arrest Horn.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Horn_shooting_controversy

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bamacellist says on Jul 1, 2008, 07:46:

"Bama: Great---I can rob your home before you get a chance to fire your gun at me and then run outside to stand on the curb yelling nah, nah, nah nah-nah---you can't shoot me. Maybe that doesn't apply in Texas?"

The juvenile stupidity of this image is very entertaining. But, this is precisely how the law works in most cases. Deadly force is permissible only when there is immediate threat which calls for such force. The police would not be permitted to use deadly force in the circumstance you depict, why should a citizen? At what point would it become impermissible to pursue a criminal, and use such force? Can I follow him to his home and shoot him there? What time frame? Does he still have to be sweating form his flight or can I do it the next day? In case you don't get it yet, there are going to be limits. The question here is how this can be seen as having been within what people believe those limits are, or should be.

"The future is much like the present, only longer."

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webmanco says on Jul 1, 2008, 07:50:

Send old Horn to Colombia he would be hired right on the spot by Paramilitares, taking justice by his own.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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morphus says on Jul 1, 2008, 07:53:

"Both were convicted criminals from Colombia"

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aztec says on Jul 1, 2008, 08:04:

The title alone certainly skews the responses.

Lets replace the nationality of the Colombians with that of White Southern Red Necks(legal citizens). Would we even be having this conversation?

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yummyj says on Jul 1, 2008, 08:06:

The title of this thread should be...

"NO criminals life worth much in any country"

And that is the way it should be.

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carolva77 says on Jul 1, 2008, 08:09:

yummi i agree with you

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bamacellist says on Jul 1, 2008, 08:13:

The applicable laws seem to offer enormous leeway but then are all subject to this:

"and
(3) he reasonably believes that:
(A) the land or property cannot be protected or
recovered by any other means; or
(B) the use of force other than deadly force to
protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or
another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury."

In this case, the police had been summoned and were in fact on the scene, thus making Mr. Horn's intervention unnecessary. It is telling that he was in fact prosecuted. That he wasn't indicted may be a different issue, to which the members of the grand jury will have to speak. I'm sure we'll hear from some of them.

"The future is much like the present, only longer."

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tasco66 says on Jul 1, 2008, 08:17:

Illegal aliens??? According to my Indian American friends all you so called “Americans" are illegal aliens…

Time to give back the land you stole...

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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briarblue says on Jul 1, 2008, 08:18:

Bama, I understand and can appreciate the points you make (inclduding finding the juvenile stupidity of the image as entertaining, although I think it did rightly fit with your initial "hit the curb" analogy).

That being said, doesn't all the "gray" you mention go well beyond the facts (as I've read, granted, I wasn't there) of the case at hand? What if I know that if I break into your home or your neighbors home and when confronted by you with a gun and you tell me "move or you're dead" that you are within your rights to shoot me?

I've read that an officer of the law witnessed the shooting and that the stated facts are that the robbers entered into Mr. Horn's yard, he advised them "move and your dead" and instead of halting, one of the men moved toward Mr. Horn.

Now, someone could say....well, the robbers didn't speak English so they couldn't appreciate the likely result of their continuing to "move". Well, well, well.....how much gray do we want to introduce (as I glance a look over to my friend the criminal defense attorney)?

If I'm in a country (pick one), burglarize someone's house and get confronted by a neighbor with a gun while fleeing, they (while holding a shotgun) shout "move and your dead", I then move and get shot dead....well shame on me (now can we agree to call that stupidity?).

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wendell13 says on Jul 1, 2008, 08:22:

The Indians lost the war ....and the land too. War is how many country's boundarys have been formed.

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elmodefoque says on Jul 1, 2008, 08:32:

We are all racist, no doubt this Joe Horn happily shot these guys as easy as he was shooting vermin caught eating his home grown veggies.
To a Joe Horn people who look like these two unarmed criminals are less than human.
Now this is when my personal shameful racism comes in full view.
One look at this modefoque, what do I see?

I see a fat fokin little prick red neck bigot who had the opportunity to something he wanted to do ALL HIS LIFE AND WENT FOR IT even after he was told NOT DO IT!

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one. CURRAMBA, EL MEJOR VIVIDERO DEL MUNDO!

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aztec says on Jul 1, 2008, 08:35:

"I see a fokin red neck bigot"

Yep, we are all racist.

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tasco66 says on Jul 1, 2008, 08:38:

About Joe Horn's ancestors:

Colonel Henry Bouquet to General Amherst, dated 13 July 1763:

P.S. I will try to inocculate the the Indians by means of Smallpox infested Blankets that may fall in their hands, taking care however not to get the disease myself. As it is pity to oppose good men against them, I wish we could make use of the Spaniard's Method, and hunt them with english dogs, supported by Rangers, and some Light Horse, who would I think effectively extirpate or remove that Vermine.

Amherst responded to Bouquet, in a letter dated 16 July 1763:

P.S. You will do well to try to Innoculate the Indians by means of Blanketts, as well as to try Every other method that can serve to Extirpate this Execrable Race. I should be very glad your Scheme for Hunting them Down by Dogs could take Effect effect, but England is at too great a Distance to think of that at present.

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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elmodefoque says on Jul 1, 2008, 08:40:

Unfortunately YES! we are all racist, except for Rubito, he hates white people

maybe i'm wrong,maybe this joe horn is really a nice fat jolly guy with not a single racist bone in his body
NAAAAH!

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one. CURRAMBA, EL MEJOR VIVIDERO DEL MUNDO!

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webmanco says on Jul 1, 2008, 08:53:

raicist painted at his foreheeeeeeeeead, and a few insist there is more hate in Colombia.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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briarblue says on Jul 1, 2008, 08:55:

Ok, for the moment we'll assume the description of being a fat, little, prick, red neck bigot is an accurate depiction of Mr. Horn. Is it ironic that the neighbor's whose house was robbed is of Vietnamise ancestry and supportive of Mr. Horn?

Difficult to fathom that Mr. Horn would have shot the robbers regardless of skin pigmentation, ancestry, nationality,etc.?

Criminals get shot while still in the act of committing the crime...it was a hate-crime!!!

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elmodefoque says on Jul 1, 2008, 09:14:

Damnnn, if only I had studied law instead of wasting my fokin time getting high and nailing broads, I’ll be the Latino Johnny fokin Cochran,
That modefoque would be sitting on death row right now instead of being the poster boy for the Klan and Minute Men.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one. CURRAMBA, EL MEJOR VIVIDERO DEL MUNDO!

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morphus says on Jul 1, 2008, 09:16:

He looks like klansman material. Funny...I thought Joe horn was black and Colombian burglars were Injuns.

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morphus says on Jul 1, 2008, 09:20:

How about "A Colombian's life is not worth much in Colombia either"

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elmodefoque says on Jul 1, 2008, 09:20:

oh chit, i take everything back, them modefques look like straight up fokin criminals and a half.
chit, there goes my racism again

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one. CURRAMBA, EL MEJOR VIVIDERO DEL MUNDO!

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morphus says on Jul 1, 2008, 09:21:

Or "A Colombian's life is not worth much in Colombia and gets shot in the US"

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morphus says on Jul 1, 2008, 09:24:

"Unfortunately YES! we are all racist, except for Rubito, he hates white people"

Thats just to avoid beatings during "Kill Whiteboy Day" in the Bronx :)

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elmodefoque says on Jul 1, 2008, 09:26:

the colombian guy on the right looks like he should be playing for deportivo cali
the other guy looks like he should be selling sunglasses in cartegena
chit! there goes my racism again

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one. CURRAMBA, EL MEJOR VIVIDERO DEL MUNDO!

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elmodefoque says on Jul 1, 2008, 09:28:

hey doctor morphus, when is kill whiteboy day in the bronx?

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one. CURRAMBA, EL MEJOR VIVIDERO DEL MUNDO!

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Jul 1, 2008, 09:29:

That hat does him no favors, here's a different photo:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/01/us/01texas.html

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elmodefoque says on Jul 1, 2008, 09:33:

holy crap , what a difference
he DOES LOOK LIKE A NICE GUY!
Like my shop teacher
that fokin hat was doing him no justice

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one. CURRAMBA, EL MEJOR VIVIDERO DEL MUNDO!

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morphus says on Jul 1, 2008, 09:33:

The day after Saint Paddies Day :)

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tasco66 says on Jul 1, 2008, 09:33:

Funny they look different here:

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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elmodefoque says on Jul 1, 2008, 09:35:

holy crap, they ALL LOOK LIKE NICE GUYS
WHY DID IT HAVE TO END SO SAD

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one. CURRAMBA, EL MEJOR VIVIDERO DEL MUNDO!

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Albatross says on Jul 1, 2008, 09:44:

Texas 'Law" notwithstanding...
Yes, you have the right to shoot someone entering your house...
No, you don't have the right to go 'round your neighborhood looking to shoot people.

That asshole (Horn) should have been convicted of two counts of second-degree murder... or manslaughter at the very least. (God, why can't we just give Texas back to Mexico ?)

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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kalder says on Jul 1, 2008, 09:44:

Racism schmacism. When a householder guns down criminals it's justice, pure and simple. I cheered when that old black guy took his shotgun out to those white yahoos in 'Mississippi's Burning' and I'll cheer on the rubicund Mr. Horn.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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morphus says on Jul 1, 2008, 09:47:

They can always shoot them outside and drag the body in the house. Apparently in Texas, you don't have to all that trouble.

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kalder says on Jul 1, 2008, 09:49:

They should be allowed to torture them for a bit first.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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morphus says on Jul 1, 2008, 09:54:

Tourture? Would nails through the scrotum be sufficient?

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Albatross says on Jul 1, 2008, 09:55:

In the (Horn's) 911 call, the dispatcher urged Horn to stay inside his house and not risk lives.

"Don't go outside the house," the 911 operator pleaded. "You're going to get yourself shot if you go outside that house with a gun. I don't care what you think."

"You want to make a bet?" Horn answered. "I'm going to kill them."

This had nothing to do with protecting his life or property, it was murder, plain and simple.

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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harvardexec says on Jul 1, 2008, 09:57:

DON'T MESS WITH TEXAS!

"I'm going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues. I still need to be educated."-John McCain

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morphus says on Jul 1, 2008, 10:00:

Yup...it was murder. All he had to do was give a description and most likely they would have been picked up by the police. Horn let his racist attitude get the best of him and made it easier for him to pull the trigger. Had it been 2 white teenagers, he would not have shot.

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Mr. Hollywood says on Jul 1, 2008, 10:07:

In Colombia, of course, this case would have never even come to trial.

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bamacellist says on Jul 1, 2008, 10:08:

at briarblue

Working backwards... If he had shot the man who came at him as he was doing so, it would be hard to argue that there was not a threat. However, he did shoot both of them, and as they were fleeing. The threat they posed by this time was zero. We have to accept that "reasonable" to someone who is in the middle of such a situation is not the same as it is to someone who considers it from afar, but it's still a stretch, don't you think?

Going back another step, we have Mr. Horn being told the police are on the way and he is not to interfere, which advice he willfully ignored. At this point I fail to understand how anyone can say he could say there was no reasonable recourse for him. He had been explicitly informed. There's so much black and white there that I don't understand why he's given any benefit of the doubt. The gray areas don't come up until he's crossed this line.

Thank you for not letting my response derail the discussion. Your scenario really did evoke a cartoon image in my mind :) "Silliness" would have been a less inflammatory description. Your restraint in response was admirable.

"The future is much like the present, only longer."

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John Milton says on Jul 1, 2008, 10:22:

When you choose to be a robber you do so assuming the risk of getting shot by the police, the home owner, or some vigilante. Call it hazards of the field. Maybe Mr Horn used excessive force but he would never had been in a position to make a questionable decision had these two men made better choices. They choose to break and enter and when confronted they choose to flee. All they had to do was get one right and they would still be here today. The responsibility of their deaths is their own because Mr Horn would never had shot them if they would have choose to be law abiding guests of this country and spent their night doing something other than robbing. Mr Horn however did seemed to be an eager beaver to pull the trigger, I would assume he was aiming to do more than impede their escape all along. That is a little scary.

I relate to this story because when I was a child we had a cat burglar in the area and where we lived the police were 20mins away at best. Sure you called the police and they made their best effort to get there in time to fill out the report. There was two incidents within a month; the first is when my neighbor’s kid was home alone and somebody broke in the house. He called the Police and then my father. My father grabbed his gun and wentto the home to only find a kicked in door but no robber. A few weeks later I was home alone and somebody was on our property flashing a light inside the windows. I called my Dad who was at the bar (looking back that could have been a bad first call on my part) and he came home to find the man in our yard. My father pulled a weapon and asked to man to stay still, instead he bolted and my father shot three rounds at him. He missed all three times whether due to the darkness or the beer but after that we never had an incident in our community again. My point is the threat of getting shot stopped this guy from acting again in that community. How many times have people on this board complained about criminal activity happening in broad daylight and nobody comes to the victims’ aid? I am not for a vigilante state but I do like the seed being planted in the minds of the criminals of a chance a Mr Horn is nearby and will kill you for your actions. Right or wrong the threat of death is a good deterrent to would be thieves

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carolva77 says on Jul 1, 2008, 11:27:

When you choose to be a robber you do so assuming the risk of getting shot by the police, the home owner, or some vigilante. Call it hazards of the field.


thanks, i agree with you. Crime does not pay, specially in the South

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harvardexec says on Jul 1, 2008, 14:26:

Thanks, John Milton.

Not only do the residents suffer from being victims of crime and fear, but they also have to pay higher taxes to incarcerate and hospitalize the offenders. Social programs in the US are often cut to house an ever growing prison population.

"I'm going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues. I still need to be educated."-John McCain

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harvardexec says on Jul 1, 2008, 14:35:

Don't Mess with Texas...U Loot, We Shoot....


http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/1846/763/1600/u_loot_we_shoot.jpg

"I'm going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues. I still need to be educated."-John McCain

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billyb says on Jul 1, 2008, 15:09:

My question is, is Joe Horn still playing reciever for the Saints?

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Albatross says on Jul 2, 2008, 04:25:

Yeah... don't mess with Texas... were all fuckin' Rambo down here.
If you're caught shoplifting, we just might shoot you for that.
Think it's OK to drive over the posted speed limit... well you just might get shot.
(And we won't have no sympathy for your ass, 'cause you shouldn't have been speeding.)

Fuckin' Liberals with their damn constitution... I didn't see no Texan sign it.
"Due process"... "cruel and unusual punishment"... fuck that shit.
Fuck with us, we'll fuckin' shoot you.

God bless America

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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kalder says on Jul 2, 2008, 08:19:

It sounds wonderful.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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harvardexec says on Jul 2, 2008, 10:49:

People in Texas are shot for stealing, not speeding. Guns and hunting are important in Texas. I have been pulled over many times by State Troopers and Dallas Police Department, usually without getting a ticket.

"I'm going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues. I still need to be educated."-John McCain

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