ColombianoX No Longer with Us

morphus says on Aug 12, 2005, 07:18:

the best thing ColombianoX can do is worry about himself and not take Colombia so serious. his hatred of the United States, the country he lives in is not normal. maybe one day he will move back to Colombia and be poor but happy :)

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elmodefoque says on Aug 12, 2005, 07:20:

I for one will miss colombino I for one will miss colombianoX unrelentless defense for his most beloved Colombia, I do not share that passion. The best thing to do to get him back would be for one of you Colombian girls go down to florida and give him a little head. I’m sure that will cheer him up, heck; I know it will cheer me up real good. He loves Colombian women with every fiver in his body. So please, Colombian girls if you’re listening send him a pm before he’s gone for good. I still believe that colombianos x and litost should run for president of Colombia one day.

PROUD ENEMY OF THE RIGHT WING!!!!!! THANK YOU!

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Mr. Hollywood says on Aug 12, 2005, 08:02:

Chau I was afraid that "no longer with us" had a darker significance to it than drifted away. I hope ColX is having a nice, relaxing vacation from tilting after windmills. It's often good to step away from these virtual obsessions.

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calipro says on Aug 12, 2005, 08:25:

What did Colombiano X die from? His passionate defense of Colombia is something that was born here in the states. I have never met a Colombian in Colombia that is as patriotic as he is about Colombia.

The only posters here that strike me as 100 percent colombian are elmo and kat. There attitudes and views are typical colombian and I don't mean that as an insult.

Colombiche

I would shorten your list on who makes this site worth while by at least one.

I find Dezi's views on colombianas insulting at best and down right slanderous at times or do you really believe that colombian mothers raise their children to have forgiving attitudes towards marital infidelity or that when you ask a woman from pereria to sit down she lays down o that colombianas go out with americans because they have money (hundred dollar bill taped to their foreheads). Ok, some of her insults are funny but they are still demeaning.

I like to read Platano's posts but I personally think that they are 90 percent fiction. Isn't he the guy that claimed to be kidnapped by FARC? Anyway I think his post about walkiing infront of Unicentro with a friend that pulled his 9mm out on every car that passed them more than once was the last straw. I could never take him seriously after that. But for what it's worth I do find his posts entertaining.

I can't remember reading anything that DWMTE or Cockney colombian ever wrote that ever stuck me as interesting. Give me a for instance.

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utopiacowboy says on Aug 12, 2005, 08:37:

I had noticed his absence myself and wondered whether he was on vacation or had just gotten really pissed off. I agree. He did make a lot of worthwhile contributions and provided a valuable point of view.

This brings up the issue of what is the whole point of PBH? Should it be a place where nothing negative is ever expressed about Colombia and it's the land of perfection where everything is wonderful? That's completely unrealistic and yet that is the point of view of many posters. OTOH, should it be a place where every comment is negative and you hardly ever hear anything positive? Sometimes it feels that way and after a while, it even gets to me.

Colombians are very thin-skinned, as are Americans (ColUmbians?). I know the US is not perfect but I hate to see it get trashed by outsiders so I know where the Colombians are coming from. I do see a division between the gringos like myself and the Colombians (most of whom actually live outside of Colombia). The Colombians seem to feel that the gringo's opinion is not a legitimate one even though the gringo might actually be living IN Colombia while the Colombian is living in the US or Canada. In my case, most of my information and opinions are actually being passed along from my wife. Sometimes I'll even ask her about something I've read here and she'll say, "That's not true" or "Yes, there is something to that".

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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vladimiro says on Aug 12, 2005, 08:50:

I think negative US media, politiks, and American attitudes towards certain countries naturally cause a nationalist reaction from thier respective expat communities living in the US:)

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Miguel says on Aug 12, 2005, 08:50:

CO X I miss him too and hope he is really pissed off, on vacation, and spending every waking hour in La Troja in Barranquilla.

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Oscar Armenia says on Aug 12, 2005, 09:00:

colx We will miss you ColX.

Oscar

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Colombiche says on Aug 12, 2005, 09:02:

Okay! CaliPro -- I think Colx died of heartbreak (??). I have found some of Desi's posts interesting, especially because being a foreigner, she totally integrated into the Colombian lifestyle and she is so fluent in Spanish, married a colombian, lived and worked in Cali.

Cockney Colombian once posted a story about an old house in Colombia, along with photos, very beautifully written. There are 2 cockneys, you might be getting them mixed up. check http://www.poorbuthappy.com/colombia/node/10273

DWMTE once made a beautiful post about life in Colombia, how he experienced life at its best and its worst and lost one of his children in Medellin. I have to dig for the exact thread now.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Colombiche says on Aug 12, 2005, 09:08:

Utopia... ... but that is exactly my point. Okay, many Colombians are thin skinned. It could be because we are so used to being at the butt end of drug jokes. Why are Colombians outside more vocal than the ones in Colombia? Because we are usually the ones at the receiving end of the jokes and discrimination. I have posted stories about some of the stuff I had to go through when I came to Canada, I endured a lot of downright abuse and discrimination at school to the point that the police had to be brought into the picture.

Colombians in colombia are surrounded by other Colombians, they don't have to listen to any of that crap.

If colombians are thin skinned, i would say Americans are no better. Man, I have seen many an American on this site get all patriotic about the States, I have also seen the British standing up for their country. Healthy criticism is one thing, and you know I have critized many things about colombia, but downright mockery and disrespect is another... right?

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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platano says on Aug 12, 2005, 09:15:

(he knows who he is) I know he passed on the "Defensor de la Colombianidad" torch to me and another PBH'er (he knows who he is).

No way I could replace ColX! I am not Colombian, and aside from what I have learned by living in Colombia and being married to a Colombian, I really don't know very much. I am too simplistic, as several people keep reminding me. And I agree, I am just a "bobo simple" and what's more, poor... but happy.

Besides, even though the 9mm incidents happened (one with the guerrillas, and one on the street between Unicentro and Holguines Trade Center), I guess relating those incidents has caused my credibility to be damaged. (It was only one car that passed back and forth, not "every car")

I'm hoping ColX will come back.

Plátano
Oxigeno Verde ¡Libertad por Ingrid y los demás!

plátano

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Colombiche says on Aug 12, 2005, 09:20:

No platanin...... It wasn't you I meant. It was another guy from the forum.

You're cool though. We don't always agree, but we can hold civilized debates ;) I like that.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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platano says on Aug 12, 2005, 09:22:

What a relief! Thanks for letting me know. I can go back to just being a simple plátano chiviado (disfrazado de banano verde).

plátano

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Estefania says on Aug 12, 2005, 10:52:

NEW Hey guys...im new to this and i was reading the post and when i read this :
"DWMTE once made a beautiful post about life in Colombia, how he experienced life at its best and its worst and lost one of his children in Medellin. I have to dig for the exact thread now."

It got me curious ...and wanted to know what happened to one of his kids? I dont want to be rude...but its just curiosity.

Thanks

» reply


*~* Nany *~*

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poco says on Aug 12, 2005, 11:48:

Disagree Many of the “real” CC posts are fascinating. The first post I noticed was insightful.

Cockney Colombian (not to be confused with cockney in colombia) :)

The house reminded me of where I live, pre-Americanization.
Elmo spins a good tail about another Colombia, although dated in some places. Ruined his chances to be a concert pianist at an early age but he seems to have found unique uses for his damaged finger.

"When you men get home and face an anti-war protester, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she's dating a pussy." Quote - General Tommy Franks

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Aug 12, 2005, 12:14:

I'll miss ColombianoX too and hope he's just taking a break and will come back to post here. I don't have to agree with him on everything but his contributions to this forum have been significant and consistent.

Colombiche, thanks again for your kind words. There's no way calipro and I will ever agree on anything because the guy is like bloodhound or a rotweiler who's bitten into my ankle and just can't let go because it's not in his nature. My Pereira comments were tongue-in-cheek and I have not received any negative feedback from Colombians for that. It's just local banter even if it's not politically correct. I have good friends in Pereira and they're the ones I heard those jokes from.

I have no difficulty in making friends in Colombia; as a matter of fact, my very best female friends are Colombian women. Paisas, caleñas, rolas...we share much more than what separates us from each other. When I got married in Cali my two maids-in-honor were two female friends of mine, local girls. I still correspond with several of my old-time friends there.

Cheers,
Desi
(and yes, it's Desi, not "Dezi". If the consistent mispelling of my handle is some kind of joke I'm afraid it sailed right over my head, that one too.)

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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kernow62 says on Aug 12, 2005, 12:24:

ColX, I never noticed he died, when did that happen? He should have gone to that party in Miami and hung out with his people instead of hanging around the telly all day, at least he would have had a bit of fun before leavig.

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santiBOG says on Aug 12, 2005, 12:46:

Everyone, maybe this is a good thing.

It's possible that ColX is just taking a breather to reflect on his misguided patriotism... I'm pretty sure he'll return. I hope so, because this site is almost 100% gringo... that can't be good for Fair & Balanced discussion.

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Gomezman5 says on Aug 12, 2005, 12:48:

Platano, I hate to disapoint you my friend, but........... But it was I that my friend ColombianoX passed the torch to. And let anyone doubt me, ask COLOMBICHE inasmuch as she saw it in the same letter as I did.

Now Platano, I feel he has to know too, that you and many others, more than myself, are in a far batter position to be the defenders of Colombia's name. In fact, the strange irony is that Colombiano and I met in a somewhat confrontational manner in a thread that took place a long time ago. But, Colx and I, are basically good hearted people, and from that dispute, we built a relationship of friendship that is rock hard, and loyal. We would not know each other if we bumped into each other head first on the street, but in this virtual world of ours, to the extent one can call another friend, we really had a virtual friendship that we both appreciated. He stood by me, and I stood by him. Even if I did not agree with his point of view, I backed off out of respect for his opinions and the fact that his heart was always interested in the well being of Colombia......and the well being of Gomezman5. When someone took after me, and he thought it was personal and unreasonable, he came to my aide.

He asked me to accept the torch. I know that I cannot do it. In fact, at times I am so critical and so annoyed by the situation in Colombia, it was the fear of alienating Cx that I just acquiesced from saying something that would cause controversy. This was especially so in light of the many personal attacks that this man has had to endure from others.

Recently, I wrote moderation about recent attacks on me. I think moderation needs to pay attention as to what the departure of Cx means. Losing Cx was more than just the loss of a member who contributed greatly to this forum, it was a statement about how a lack of civility, and excessive personal attacks of this kind will drive away noble people like Cx.

Stated simply, from the many communications I have had with Cx, I have come to learn that he is without a doubt the kindest, most sincere, and good hearted person I have ever met anywhere on the web. While I can still communicate with him, to say that he will be missed here is an understatement.

Cx, I myself, speaking for many I am sure, would hope that you decide to drop in again once in a while, even if your visit will only be a short one

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Colombiche says on Aug 12, 2005, 12:53:

Losing CX "Losing Cx was more than just the loss of a member who contributed greatly to this forum, it was a statement about how a lack of civility, and excessive personal attacks of this kind will drive away noble people like Cx."

My thoughts exactly Gomez!

I'm pretty sure he'll return. I hope so, because this site is almost 100% gringo... that can't be good for Fair & Balanced discussion.

No it can't SantiBog. I totally agree that it can't.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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kernow62 says on Aug 12, 2005, 12:54:

That was lovely G5, it brought tears to my eyes. When are you guys getting married?

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kernow62 says on Aug 12, 2005, 12:57:

Hey G5 when did someone attack you personally did I miss something? What was the thread, I want to read it.

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Gomezman5 says on Aug 12, 2005, 13:06:

Kernow............... You're just jealous that I said such nice words about Cx and NOT ABOUT YOU!

So there....

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poco says on Aug 12, 2005, 13:07:

Encouraging My best female friends are Colombian women.

You can't be too careful.

"When you men get home and face an anti-war protester, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she's dating a pussy." Quote - General Tommy Franks

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kernow62 says on Aug 12, 2005, 13:28:

That must be it Gomez.

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Gomezman5 says on Aug 12, 2005, 14:21:

Yea Kernow You are trying to turn me into something I am not. Now come on, let's be serious. Colx is a good guy and let's not mess this thread up with silliness. Maybe he will reconsider.

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kernow62 says on Aug 12, 2005, 14:28:

Ooh pass me that torch big boy.

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kernow62 says on Aug 12, 2005, 14:33:

Seriously G5, ColX is an adult, if he wants some time off or to piss off forever we should respect his decision. I understand he is a nice guy but you have to have a thick skin on these websites, you should see some of the terrible PM I get. No I am just kidding, all the PM I get are all sweet and lovely.

He will be back, just like GIB, Gomez will save the day and bring them back. Just don't take credit for bringing me back, not that I am going anywhere.

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tomtom33 says on Aug 12, 2005, 14:36:

Poco That insightful CC post you cite also displayed his strident anti-Americanism. At the drop of a hat he could spew all kinds of statements about things of which he knew little. Not my kind of person.

Cx, I believe, is rather young. At least G5 has some maturity.

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poco says on Aug 12, 2005, 14:46:

Not true this site is almost 100% gringo

I can promise you that a high percentage of visits to this site originate in Colombia and they don't post to the Friendly Talk Zone very much. I'd say because of their writing abilities but you can be assured many understand or can run the posts through an interperter.

This site is to learn about Colombia. Colombians know their country if they live there. My opinion is they think we're nuts.

Poor but Happy should be able to easily post the percentages of views by country, I'd be interested to see how many come from Colombia and other countries.

"When you men get home and face an anti-war protester, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she's dating a pussy." Quote - General Tommy Franks

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babygirl says on Aug 12, 2005, 14:51:

hmm..what is the point of this site? i was looking for travel tips/information last year..etc...blah blah blah and got sucked in by all the characters and drama here..it's kind of like a soap opera..no?

cheers - babygirl

cheers

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Lostgringo says on Aug 12, 2005, 14:58:

Children "Losing Cx was more than just the loss of a member who contributed greatly to this forum, it was a statement about how a lack of civility, and excessive personal attacks of this kind will drive away noble people like Cx."

I am new here and had the "opportunity" to have people attack a recent thread that I had created. In the end, it was closed. The moderator said that one of the main persons (I won't mentioin his name), who attacked me was a good guy and I should chill out. I don't blame Cx at all. Even in this thread some posters are rude.

What gives?

Your Home Away from Home www.welovebogota.com and www.apartmentinbogota.com "Luxury apartments and rooms Cheap" Only 2 blocks from the American Embassy! 24/7 hour security.

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utopiacowboy says on Aug 12, 2005, 14:58:

Yeah, a telenovela starring a young boy and his first burra.

You do have to have a thick skin and separate this from real life. I finally turned off PM after constantly receiving hate mail and an amazing number of messages relating supposed sexual escapades with my wife. That's the quality of the average poster here and that's why I think the site is complete bullshit for the most part.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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suipacha says on Aug 12, 2005, 15:01:

I think the board will be a be a better place now that he's gone.

"A single sentence will suffice for modern man: he fornicated and read the papers"

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Aug 12, 2005, 15:15:

I beg to disagree this board will not be a better place without ColombianoX. How can you say that, suipacha? Have you contributed any meaningful piece of information about Colombia yourself? Any newspaper article? Any debate issue of outstanding value? You don't have to agree with everything a person says to be able to appreciate his/her contribution to this board. If it were just a bunch a gringos here discussing where to find the hottest chicas in Colombia this board would be a total loss of time for the majority of posters here.

Cheers,
Desi
(Defensora of ColombianoX)

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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Mr. Hollywood says on Aug 12, 2005, 15:17:

Frank, Frank, Frank Frank, sorry to break it to you, buddy, but I told you some of your ideas about Colombian culture were misinformed (Which, given that I actually live here, seems perfectly reasonable). You're the one who started calling people dirty names.

Shouldn't you be packing?

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poco says on Aug 12, 2005, 15:17:

Worth noting That insightful CC post you cite also displayed his strident anti-Americanism

Very obvious, you need to accept a persons good with the perceived bad and his first post displayed a not overly overt expression of opinions. Living in rural Colombia for almost two years out of the last 4 and reading his posts, entertaining.

He reminds me of Khrushchev pounding his shoe at the pulpit. and declaring “we will bury you”. The main difference is that Khrushchev got a tour of Disneyland and CC has better prose.

"When you men get home and face an anti-war protester, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she's dating a pussy." Quote - General Tommy Franks

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babygirl says on Aug 12, 2005, 15:19:

ooops pardon me..kind of like a soap opera..how gringa of me... kind of like a telenovela no?

cheers - babygirl

cheers

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santiBOG says on Aug 12, 2005, 16:02:

What a joke... I remember a thread a few months ago where GIB said his goodbyes too. He said something about being tired of all the personal atacks. He also mentioned some bs about loving his country and how his family arrived from Germany or something... bla bla. Now I don't recall how the naziz related to PBH, but the point is that his absence lasted about a day.

I'm sure our 'friend' ColX is reading all of this and laughing. Now if you'll excuse me, I got to go, see y'all tomorrow.

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CaryGrant says on Aug 12, 2005, 17:25:

Actually, I would like to see the moderator(s) be stricter about personal attacks and judgemental comments (and I have been guilty of some). There's no reason to put anyone or anything down on this board. I think it's fine to state preferences, observations, and opinions, but not fine to state them as global truths, or in a way that negates the views of others. An innocuous example:

I prefer the taste of Colombian Jet chocolate to Hershey's.
vs
Jet chocolate is the best chocolate.
or, worse
You're an idiot if you like Brand X chocolate. That stuff is crap.

On other boards, I have noticed that when the personal attacks and judgmental comments diminished, a lot more people contributed.

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adrimm says on Aug 12, 2005, 17:28:

Santi Members have to post for us to know they exist, Take Vic for example: I didn't know he'd been around for as long as he has becusae he has kept quiet for so long.

Surely you recall JamesVH? An enriching voice that has been silent for awhile now.

When someone decides to lurk/leave, the forum ultimately loses out because it is a unique voice that we have lost, and it is each of the unique voices we hear here that make for the discussion. I'd be lying if I said I value *all* the unique voices that pipe up here, and I have no doubt that the repitition of some attitudes and perceptions can grate.

So who cares is he lurks, and ultimately, how can it be different to the discsussion from him leaving the forum? Even if the account is deactivated he could still lurk.

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adrimm says on Aug 12, 2005, 17:37:

Carey I don't think it is an issue of simple nicities. I think it is often an issue of comparing the culturally different, developed stable nations that many of us come from with Colombia. And judging Colombia from perspectives gained elsewhere.

It is a grey zone, and the RL doesn't play with gloves, however for people who identify as Colombian, to be constantly reminded of true problems as well faced with half perceptions that aren't all correct and somewhat negative can bring one down and feel demeaned.

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Reframing it for the non-Colombians:

1. Annoying True Problem Analogy: It would be like sitting in a cafe every night in Switzerland, hearing a group of Swiss people carp on and on about how dirty or disorderly Toronto is, or New York is or Naples is etc. It may be true in comparison, but it is a bitter pill to swallow if you hear it day in and day out, especially when you don't see the garbage that they are complaining about or notice the 30 seconds late the bus was.

2. Incorrect half-perception Analogy: For Canadians to hear a bunch of other people discussing what it must be like for Canadians stuck living in the land of snow and ice. (Truth: Not everywhere gets snow and ice, and where they do it is only for part of the year) For Americans to hear a bunch of other people discussing that Americans are all Bush supporters (Truth: Elected leaders rarely get 100% of the vote).

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Comparisons are bound to happen, and the flip side is that if it didn't happen at all then there would be little to talk about.

I just wish that Colombians here felt more free to discuss the way they percieve other countries (after visiting or living in them). The one about the ultra-clean Colombians was certainly a thread that did so. There is nothing to dissuade them, other than the constant comparison of struggling to Colombia to not-struggling other places.

So you say ColX was from US... yeah so? I've got news for you, in alot of places looks and names trail you around. I have a friend who is 4th generation Canadian of Asian ancestry and people still ask her if she speaks English from time to time. So if you don't belong where you are born, you gotta belong somewhere and if that is where your ancestors come from so be it. I have a feeling that this may be a little of what ColX went thru, so I can certainly understand why the sensitivities.

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calipro says on Aug 12, 2005, 19:39:

Dezi is this your attempt at PR? "My Pereira comments were tongue-in-cheek and I have not received any negative feedback from Colombians for that."

I'm not the only one offended by Dezi's comments.

"PEREIRANAS = WHORES????" DESIDERIA SAYS YES!! WOW!!
Submitted by PEREIRAESHOSPIT... on Sat, 08/07/2004 - 07:39. | Report a problem (See the rules) Friendly Talkzone
DESIDERIA IS CLEARLY DENIGRATIN WOMEN FROM PEREIRA, AND COLOMBIAN WOMEN IN GENERAL.

NASTY COMMENTS ARE SPITTING FROM HER MOUTH, SOMEONE SHOULD PUT AN END TO THIS NONSENSE!!

DESIDERIA : IF YOU DONT LIKE COLOMBIANAS OR PEREIRANAS IN GENERAL, THEN JUST PUT A BULLET IN YOUR HEAD AND END YOUR MISERABLE LIFE, GIRL. WE IN COLOMBIA HAD ENOUGH OF YOUR "BULL...T".DONT TRY BRINGING CAOS INTO A STRONG COMMUNITY LIKE OURS. YOU DONT HAVE DIGNITY GIRL. TRY CHANGING YOUR WAYS. REMEMBER DESIDERIA: GOD IS WATCHING YOU!!



ESTA PINCHE DESIDERIA SE PASO DE BRUTA
Submitted by piccolinoaa on Sat, 08/07/2004 - 07:57.
LA MERA NETA: YA ESTA PIRUJA DE DESIDERIA DEMOSTRO QUE TIENE MALA SANGRE CONTRA LAS PEREIRANAS!!

YO SINCERAMENTE CREO QUE LA RUCA ES DE CALI Y NO EXTRANJERA COMO DICE SERLO. LASTIMA QUE ENTRE COLOMBIANOS EXISTA TANTO ODIO. ALGO POSITIVO SI PUEDO DECIR , ES QUE EN LA MAYORIA DE CIUDADES COLOMBIANAS QUE CONOZCO, EL AMOR Y LA HERMANDAD ABUNDAN, EJEMPLO"

MEDELLIN, PEREIRA,IBAGUE, MANIZALES, ARMENIA, BARRANQUILLA, CARTAGENA Y BUCARAMANGA SON CIUDADES DE ENCANTO. ALLA SE PUEDE VER LO BELLA QUE ES SU PATRIA. ESTAS CIUDADES TIENEN DIGNIDAD E IDENTIDAD PROPIA, SIN DUDA ALGUNA.

DESIDERIA DEBIERA RETRACTARSE DE TANTO VENENO QUE ESCUPE POR SU BOCA.YA VI QUE HASTA SE JACTO DE DEJAR AUN MAS COMENTARIOS DENIGRANTES DE LAS CHAMACAS DE PEREIRA. QUE POCA MADRE TIENE LA TONTA!! SI ES QUE TIENE MADRE.


INAUDITO!!QUE MALA SANGRE TIENE DESIDERIA


Submitted by TRASNOCHADORYMORENO on Sat, 08/07/2004 - 08:36.
ESTA MALUCA SE PASO DE BRUTA. ME IMAGINO LA MULTITUD DE ENEMIGOS Y ENEMIGAS QUE SE HABRA GANADO AQUI EN PEREIRA.

OJALA Y NO SE ARRIESGE A VENIR POR AQUI. POR QUE LA MENTECATA ESA NO ES BIENVENIDA!!

PERO PARA QUE EXPLICAR. ME LA IMAGINO TAN BRUTA, QUE AQUI ES CAPAZ DE APARECERSE ESA MULA.

A PEDIRLE A DIOS QUE NO LA VAYAN POR AHI A PALEAR POR GROSERA Y POR ASQUEROSA,

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BxUnika says on Aug 12, 2005, 21:10:

IMHO "the best thing ColombianoX can do is worry about himself and not take Colombia so serious. his hatred of the United States, the country he lives in is not normal. maybe one day he will move back to Colombia and be poor but happy :)"- Morphus

Amen to that!

"His passionate defense of Colombia is something that was born here in the states. I have never met a Colombian in Colombia that is as patriotic as he is about Colombia." - CaliPro

But which was greater, his love for Colombia, a country that he isn't even from or his hate for the United States, where he was born and raised?

"The only posters here that strike me as 100 percent colombian are elmo and kat. There attitudes and views are typical colombian and I don't mean that as an insult." - CaliPro

What do you know about "typical Colombians"? You surround yourself with low strata, uneducated girls who are looking for a free meal ticket and a visa.

I am an American and a New Yorker, for instance, and you will still hear me critiquing both. If you truly love something, I think you can see it's weaknesses as well as strengths. I agree with UtopiaCowboy on this. He does raise a strong argument about more Americans on here living in Colombia than Colombians on here living in their country. That speaks volumes, does it not?

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calipro says on Aug 12, 2005, 21:37:

BxUnika "What do you know about "typical Colombians"? You surround yourself with low strata, uneducated girls who are looking for a free meal ticket and a visa."

Please, don't buy into Dezi's portrayal of colombianas that date americans as whores looking for a free meal ticket.

What do you really know about any of the women I date in Cali?

Only the gross negative generalizations that some like to spread on this board. Is PoorButHappy a slander on colombianas? Yep!

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adrimm says on Aug 12, 2005, 22:18:

It's not just about the women you date Calipro, it;s the fact that you who pass yourself off as being a total "pro" on Cali actually have to come to PBH to ask advice about Cali, like where to purchase property.

If you don't know the city well enough to decide on your own where you would be best suited living, you haven't spent enough time there to really know it; so I cannot place any substance in your opinions of the culture or the city or it's people.

IMHO if you *really* know the city, then the last place you would be looking to seek Real Estate advice from is an internet forum.

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santiBOG says on Aug 12, 2005, 22:50:

everyone keeps saying how ColX supposedly hates the US. I don't remember one instance where he said anything bad about the US. On the contrary, I think he said good things numerous times.

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calipro says on Aug 12, 2005, 22:54:

adrimm I'm never afraid to ask questions.

I simply asked if anybody new of any nice buildings going up in Cali that I might have missed. As it turns out nobody did.

Nothing ventured nothing gained.

"I cannot place any substance in your opinions of the culture or the city or it's people."

To each his own. But this kind of thinking can lead to tunnel vision.

I'd even LISTEN to and consider Dezi's advice on were to buy in Cali eventhough she hasn't been there in years and has no idea what makes a colombiana tick. hehehe !!!

You can never get too much information IMHO.

I've lived in Phoenix most of my life and sometimes I stop and ask for directions. I guess I'm not a typical male in those regards;-0

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quindioman says on Aug 12, 2005, 23:49:

i think other people that have been absent deserve more recognition, my vote would go to someone like jamesVH
Colx....i'm sure he was a nice guy indeed, but he didn't have the foggiest about Colombia, sorry to rain on your little party here but he was naive and overzealous. He lost my vote on one Pereira thread where he called me a jerk for something that any Colombian in the eje cafetero knows. In spite of that I always made a point to make a contribution to his posts. I thought I got the hang of hating comments and not posters, I replied to a thread he wrote not so long ago in the Spanish forum about selling porno dvd's on the streets, but he didn't seem interested in replying.
The same goes for Poco and tomtom.
Poco don't think much of me, but my opinion of him couldn't be more contrasting, and tomtom took to heart my dislike of the american government, like i said dude, if I really hated americans that much I could not do my job properly.
Oh and another thing, not all of us feel like posting something mentally stimulating/challenging...not all of us here think our shit smells of roses....

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Aug 13, 2005, 03:21:

let go calipro So, somebody brought along ten other guys or girls from the hood to give me a virtual tongue lashing for some dumb jokes I re-told on a Colombia board? Should I be impressed or what? Who are these yellers anyway? Has anybody ever heard from them again? Or seen them before contributing anything to this board? That's really lame, calipro, and so is your persecution.

You make absolutely no secret of what kind of girls you date in Cali. You parade them scantily dressed in the internet, without even asking for their permission. That's how much you respect them. No. I have never said that the only girls gringos date in Colombia are whores. That's just you putting words in my mouth in a feeble attempt to turn others against me here. Well, you failed, because I have nothing but a good opinion of several board members who have married a Colombiana. Utopia, kernow, daver, vic, neo, gator, atrevido and several others met a Colombiana and instead of just playing them or pimping them (like you and some of your cronies are doing) married them and some chose to live in Colombia, which is an additional merit.

Cheers,
Desi

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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calipro says on Aug 13, 2005, 03:51:

So I'm a player and a Pimp. Huh? "Who are these yellers anyway? Has anybody ever heard from them again?"-Dezi

Hell, I don't know who they are. They're probably people to disgusted to post on PBH after your anti-colombiana comments.

To tell you the truth I think you are making some progress. I take your back peddling as a sign of embarrassment, which in this case is a good thing;-)

Who would have ever thought that some day you would be endorsing the marriages of Utopia, kernow, daver, vic, neo, gator, atrevido and other social degenerates that had to go to an improvished third world country to find a wife because they weren't man enought to handle an american woman, not to mention the pitiful colombianas that would leave their family and friends behind to get ahead in life. hehehe!!

Anyway I think it's time we buried the hatchet. We might be neighbors if you ever move back to Cali.

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Hunter says on Aug 13, 2005, 04:04:

Player I thought you were a player as well calipro, personally I don't see anything bad with being a player as long as there are not to many lies told.

Hunter

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Aug 13, 2005, 04:16:

neighbors? I'm going to get a big dog to shit on your front lawn.
Cheers,
Desi

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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BlondeJamesBond says on Aug 13, 2005, 04:16:

My almost indifferent thoughts
Calipro - you, and indeed anyone, shouldn't be having a go at Desi for telling what are essentially, "Essex girl" jokes (as we Brits would call them), rehashed for Pereira.

Desi - I don't have a problem with viewing photo's of Calipro's girls, if they didn't want their photo's to be used they shouldn't let the pictures be taken in the first place - it doesn't ever look like they are ignorant to what is going on - they don't look like whores either. Frankly, if the guy prefers his current lifestyle (player, if that what you want to call it) to a semi detached house, a wife, two kids and a dog then good on him and leave him to it.

A classic example of a storm in a tea cup - you two should be pals really.

As for ColX - I think he took any criticism a little too personally, my only inadvertent "clash" with him came when I tried to advise him not to grass up drug dealers, on health and safety grounds. He was an entertaining poster for sure and it will be a little duller around here without him, just as it has been since JamesVH departed.

As for Cockney Colombian and cockney_colombian they are both entertaining posters IMO

Forget all this anyway, I'm really not that bothered, I'm just killing time until the Premiership season starts in half an hour, Everton to hammer Man United!!!!! - keeping this related to Colombia, Juan Pablo Angel plays for Villa.

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Gomezman5 says on Aug 13, 2005, 08:17:

Certainly, there was good and bad in all but, Ok, there may have been situations where Cx was somewhat dogmatic in his views, or situations where he was ill advised. But, the good in in him far outweighed the negative. But are not most of us like that at times? Cx likes to stand his ground. Personally, I think as time went on he became more open minded than when I arriced here.

What about all his informational posts about Colombians who made major contributions not only to Colombia, but also to society at large.Those posts on these special people, never drew many posts, but they were informational, and I am sure many read them even if people did not post a comment.

Maybe I am biased. Through personal messages, I got to learn him better as a person and therefore, was better able to understand him as a persom.

I just can't understand how so many people here can be so cold and heartless as to print things that amount to "good bye and good riddence"? Is it arrogance? Or is a feeling of superiority? I am concerned about that line of thinking

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Aug 13, 2005, 08:26:

I wondered where those comments came from, too. Obviously, he is the defender of Colombia but I cannot recall him saying anything close to "hate" about the U.S. I think he was born here, his immediate family is here, he went to school here, etc, etc.



The only group he ever consistently put down was Mexicans - their futbol, their music, their language and the idiotic shows on Telemundo and Univision.

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Gomezman5 says on Aug 13, 2005, 08:40:

Tinto is correct on that one Cx had this propencity to take some hits a the Mexicans. He blamed the Mexican people for something that was really a result of a media coverage (Uni and Tel) that continues to go out of their way to portray Mexico in a positive light and never can seem to find much positive about Colombia. The daily posting of the war, the FARC, killings and drugs, are about the only aspect of Colombia that these media outlets considered news worthy. If I may add, I agree with his assessment as to the biased media coverage. Can't the media ever present some of the positive of Colombia?

I also explained that the media will be biase toward Mexico for simply economic reasons. There are many more Mexicans here in the US than Colombians.

Lastly, who ever thinks that Cx was "down" on the US and anti US in general, is just simply wrong. I never heard him put down the country where he was born and still lives in/

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caslug says on Aug 13, 2005, 08:45:

Isnt COLX fairly young(male, in his early 20s).. I think his rigid view on life is due to his youth. When we re young, most of us were that, very rigid in how saw the world. As we get older, travel more, see different culture, gain more life exp, suffer life hard knocks. We then become a little more openminded and accepting of other opinions.

Hopefully he is just travelling to places. I really hope he eventually gets a chance to travel the world, esp outside of US and COL. Then he ll see COL isnt that different than the rest of world, and that he doesn need to defend COL, every country has it good and bad, no sense defending one country over another.

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paisa29 says on Aug 13, 2005, 09:01:

Estoy de acuerdo con los que piensan que este sitio parece mas gringo que Colombiano, empezando por uno de los moderadores, creo que eso no da mucha objetividad al momento de juzgar un comentario, creo que ColombianoX ha aportado mucho a este foro con información útil sobre Colombia.
Hay otors miembros que solo se dedican a sabotear los comentarios interesantes aquí, ellos son realmente quienes deberian dejar el foro.

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morphus says on Aug 13, 2005, 09:46:

maybe not hatred but some he maybe not hatred but he does have sort of a hostile tone when he talks about gringos and the U.S. CX complained about growing up in a White American neigborhood and being outcasted for being Latino. that can happen to anybody of any race in the U.S. the only ones to blame are your parents for picking the wrong place to live. i know what it feels like to be outcasted. there were times when i used to be the only White kid in a Black/Latino school. you don't hear me complaining and wanting to move to Italy or England. i can never get how someone can be into there own race. you got people yelling "Italian Power", "i'm an Irishman" or "yeah Boricua". who the fuck cares? these people deserve a swift kick in the ass.

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TACTICAL says on Aug 13, 2005, 12:58:

Don;t post much I don;t post much however I do read most of the posts. I must agree, it seems that personal attacks are order of the day. When I joined this board, I was doing so to get information from others living here in Colombia, LEARN from their experiences, LEARN from their mistakes, and share with others the mistakes I unwittingly made since I moved here.

There will always be a difference of opinion when a sensative subject is but forward however in my humble opinion, this board should be about HELPING EACH OTHER, not insulting or attacking each other just because one finds themselves in conflict with anothers opinion.

For those who's only desire is to agitate, I think they should be ignored or booted off the site. PLEASE DON;T LET THE FEW spoil the great idea that started this board, HELPING EACH OTHER OUT.

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juancegomez says on Aug 13, 2005, 13:24:

I don't post (nor apparently properly argument, lately) as much as I should, but I also must point out that ColX, even by those of us that didn't agree with all his lines of thought, was recognized as a valuable member of the community more often than not.

As such, many definitely shared his intention of defending Colombia and presenting a different perspective from that which the media tends to highlight. Obviously such a job has its ups and downs, of course, but I have to say that I'll miss his contributions as well (both those that I agreed with and those that I rejected).

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Lostgringo says on Aug 13, 2005, 14:24:

tactical I'm with you buddy...but it won't happen some of the moderators are to blame too...go figure lol.

Your Home Away from Home www.welovebogota.com and www.apartmentinbogota.com "Luxury apartments and rooms Cheap" Only 2 blocks from the American Embassy! 24/7 hour security.

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Monpirri says on Sep 22, 2005, 22:57:

Looking for ColombianoX I have noticed by readings this thread about ColombianoX that he was a person of great value to this site. In my humble opinion, he is a man of great caliber with a unique vision for current affairs, in particular about Colombian issues. That is the beauty of this country we do not have to think alike, or be politically correct.
I did not know him very well, but someone who uses the name ColombianoX as his user ID, in my view I have nothing but high regards for said individual. He was proud of his origin! Like a proud American, like a proud Italian, like a proud Puerto Rican.
I had the opportunity to read some of his topics and I found a similar interest and affinity to couple of his posts. Unfortunately, I did not read too many, but the few I read I liked!

I have always been interested in persons who have been outcasted by their counterparts, friends or co-workers. Many years ago, there was a Colombian anchorman for the News, Guillermo Restrepo; he was very articulated in Spanish, very confident and highly professional in delivering the news. He was an ace.
He worked for a while for the Spanish TV station in the states and everyone loved him! He was poised and in great command of the language and then one day he was gone, he was outcasted, he become a minority within his fellow co-workers.

I used to listen to the World Cup, or Copa Libertadores on radio to a man with a great talent who broadcasted the soccer games on National AM radio station, his name Hammer Londono. “A la candela, a la candela,” he used to say when in a soccer match a player was about to shoot to the goalie area. He was loved by the people, by the soccer audience but he was outcasted and then he was gone!
ColombianosX reminds me of these two great talented Colombians who were outcasted by their counterparts, but difference between ColombianoX and Restrepo/Londono is that ColombianoX was outcasted and fired by his own people.

It would be appreciated if someone would provide me with contact information for ColombianoX, I would like to meet him. Please do not try to tell me how bad he was, I have already read many comments in this regard. Many thanks.

Respectfully,
Monpirri AKA “Yo me llamo Cumbia”
Monpirri1 at netzero.com

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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Gomezman5 says on Sep 23, 2005, 00:18:

Nice post Monpirri Monpirri,

Cx and I communicate regularly. He really is a great person. We don't always agree, but our friendship is rock solid. I still contend that there was nobody like him on this site. He always made special posts about people who made contributions to Colombia.

I emailed him a copy of your post with your email. I am sure he will feel conplimented when he reads it. Maybe he will email you too.

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Monpirri says on Sep 23, 2005, 11:07:

Thank you! Gomezman5,
Thank you very much, I look forward to meeting ColombianoX

Monpirri AKA "Yo me llamo Cumbia"

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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kernow62 says on Sep 23, 2005, 12:16:

Calipro, one point on the comment about me going to a third world country to find my wife. Unless you consider the USA a third world country then you are mistaken. My dear wife was born a US citizen and that is where I met her, she just happened to be Colombiana too and lived in Colombia all her life excepting a couple of years.

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kernow62 says on Sep 23, 2005, 12:18:

Why did ColX leave anyway. I don't recall anyone really busting his balls about anything much. Sure the occasional disagreement as is bound to happen, but nothing to throw a hissy about.

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Gomezman5 says on Sep 23, 2005, 14:09:

Why did Cx leave??? wellll........ As best as I have been able to ascertain, it was not any one event or even that made him leave. I know he had some less than pleasant exchanges with Bxunika, and in PMs he voiced his frustration with her. let's just say that she was a "contributing factor." Cx, with out explanation, also indicated to me that he had other more important personal matters that demanded his attention. I think with Cx, it is kind of an all or nothing thing. When he was around, he posted often. I don't think he can just participate on a "part time basis", so that is why he just he just decided to abandon the site.

It's kind of funny though, Kernow, one day I got this email from him that said "now just a minute mi amigo". He was responding in a personl email to me about something that I posted on a thread. I thought that was funny. So he still reads the threads, he just chooses not to participate. And when he does, I'll hear from him....

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poco says on Sep 23, 2005, 14:47:

Cut and Edit Colombianox was interesting,, for a while,,, then he started posting “FACTS” with NO links,, well,, OK but when there were SOME that didn’t match with the REALITY of the situation. This discovery was made by FINDING some of the articles where he used a “cut and paste” and discovering how and where he made his edits. Cut and Edit is more like it.

Next, he started posting “ARTICLES” from obviously biased sources and some of them were WAY OUT OF DATE and/or INACCURATE.

Platano, same, only worse. Platano is smart enough NOT to post links on some of his “clips”. Ha,,,, he doesn’t want anyone to KNOW where he comes up with his INFORMATION or who publishes and the SOURCE. Why not ? too much trouble I guess.

Give me a good link and I’ll be able to find where that source gets its information because MOST republish after adding a little twist or sound bite.

He did intersperse some “bland word fodder” articles with those more akin to his agenda. Humm, that does remind me of someone.

I’d suggest getting a DEFENSOR who has a clue.

"When you men get home and face an anti-war protester, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she's dating a pussy." Quote - General Tommy Franks

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BxUnika says on Sep 23, 2005, 21:24:

Poco I kind of agree with you. I understand that he had pride in being Colombian-American but he often crossed the line between pridea nd arrogance. He spent a lot of time bashing the US and all things American (even tough he was born and raised here) and almost denying the fact that in reality he did not grow up in Colombia. There's where I lost my respect for him.

As for the PMs between us? He initiated that all by himself. He "introduced" himself to me by throwing a bunch of insults at me and bringing in racial/ethnic jabs as well. My impression of him is that he is some lonely 17 year old in Florida with a lot of internal conflict and an identity crisis (others noticed this as well). I'm not going to post his PMs, but it's pretty clear that he's a child and has some sort of a complex.

For me it wasn't always necessarily what he said but how he said it. He insinuated several times that he was more Colombian tha anyone else and that he automatically knew more than anyone else.

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lockheed says on Sep 24, 2005, 07:09:

YO! Man he's lost that loving feeling, come back man You know people I am a music person and like Paul McCartney sang in a song I think it's Ebony & Ivory, "PEOPLE ARE THE SAME WHERE EVER YOU GO, THERE IS GOOD & BAD IN EVERYONE"
Colombia has good things and bad things, I think much more good then bad, Colombian woman are the same as American woman, European, or wherever, the diffrence being maybe economical, or educational level,I guess if you get involved with an U.S. girl from Liberty City,(Miami), or one from barrio El Cartucho (Bogota) you would probably get the same results. You deal with a girl from Coral Gables (Miami) and one from Chapinero (Bogota) you would get the same results.
I read sometimes people disrespecting others female companions, I think this is sacred, it does'nt matter if she got picked up on the corner of Calle del Cartucho or if she is the Daughter of Mr. Postobon.
Col X get those nipples out of your mouth and write us.

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Gomezman5 says on Sep 25, 2005, 00:43:

Poco...my friend With all due respect, I must correct you about something you said. None of Cx's articles were our to date. In fact, they were almost posted the day they were written. Biased? In this day and age, with all the negative publicity (bias) that is written about Colombia, it's almost comical to say that there is an article out there that is biased in favor of Colombia.

Cx was a regular reader of a web site that had links to articles from newpapers and magaizines about Colombia. He posted these articles on PBH, the very day he read them. He NEVER edited them in any shape or form. Never. I am certain of that, because one time, I read an article that he posted and only hours later, I read the article elsewhere.

Cx is a noble and well intentioned individaul. We certainly have had our disagreements. They have been very public ones. But I have learned to like him and see him for the type of person he is....a true friend. It is easy to look beyond any differnences that we may have when you get to know what kind of person you are dealing with,

Poco, I really wanted you to know the truth about Cx.....nothing personal between us, but I just had to say what I knew about Cx and his posts/articles.

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kernow62 says on Sep 25, 2005, 07:16:

He NEVER edited them in any shape or form. Never. I am certain of that, because one time, I read an article that he posted and only hours later, I read the article elsewhere.

How can you come to that conclusion based on reading one article? NEVER would mean you would have had to read all of the source articles.

I have no opinion either way on whether he edited them to suit his "agenda" or not. In fact I don't think I ever bothered to look at the source because his posts didn't really interest me that much.

It is nice to see ColX back even though it is under another name. I think on that we can agree.

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Gomezman5 says on Sep 25, 2005, 12:37:

No Kernow It was not based on one article I read. That was just a coincidence. If you go back and check his posts you will find that they were nothing more than cut and past links that came from a popular web site that many frequent. www.colombiatimes.com.

When you cut and paste a URL, and you click on that link, uh maybe I;m missing something but you CANNOT edit the article found somewhere else. That is a fact. It is not as though he rewrote the article with his opinions. I think I have clarified things in that respect.

I mean....what's the deal here Kernow? I will only say to you, that when I had recent disagreements with you, and I emailed him informing him as such, he was very quick to come to your defense. So, before if I were you, I would give him the benefit of the doubt. May I also say, I don't think you have any real evidence that he has returned as someone else. I can tell you, because I know him better than you, he is very principaled and don't think that he would come back here under another name.

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kernow62 says on Sep 25, 2005, 16:50:

Gomez read my second paragraph.

Now read your third paragraph.

Now you can see that I never said I had an opinion one way or the other regarding whether he edited or not.

As for him coming back under another name that is just a hunch, it certainly appears that Monpirri writes in exactly the same style as ColX. Perhaps coincidence, who knows. Perhaps it is Platano!

Tell ColX hello from me when you E-mail him.

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kernow62 says on Sep 25, 2005, 17:04:

Gomez, I am giving ColX the benefit of the doubt, I think he posted the articles straight from the source as they originally appeared. Let's see what proof if any Poco has that ColX edited his posts to reflect an agenda. Where's the proof Poco?

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Gomezman5 says on Sep 25, 2005, 22:48:

Kernow.....I will send him your regards Cx is fine. He is preoccupied with other matters that require his attention. I don't think that he would have been the first to realize that they he is spending too much time on this site. You don't notice it right away. Well there was discontent as well. Maybe he will come back. But I don't think some of the posts that have been put up here is going to make him come back any faster.

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kernow62 says on Sep 26, 2005, 04:59:

Yes that was a bit heated, but what ColX did post was exactly as the article in The Herald was printed. So he was just the messenger.

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Gomezman5 says on Sep 26, 2005, 07:38:

I'll say this I don't remember the last time that not one, but two threads were going about a PBH member that has not participated in several months.

Congrads to you Cx for being able to command so much attention.

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kernow62 says on Sep 26, 2005, 07:51:

That's true.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Sep 26, 2005, 09:35:

no comment

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