Colombianos en Estados Unidos

rocinante says on May 10, 2008, 12:31:

Que malo soy yo!

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

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ColombianoGringo says on May 10, 2008, 12:32:

"Pero sobre todo:

QUE ORGULLO SER COLOMBIANO!!"

De acuerdo pues!

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Simon says on May 10, 2008, 16:31:

Arriba nuestra Colombia, carajo!!!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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Lisa Zee says on May 10, 2008, 17:06:

Muy bien dicho!

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docwilliam says on May 10, 2008, 17:49:

I need about three more months of studying Espanol, and i will be good.

"There's no time to panic"

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alezzz says on May 10, 2008, 23:20:

muy bien la muchachita muy bien...

---Music is the strongest form of magic.---

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Simon says on May 12, 2008, 16:46:

I feel like giving you the middle finger, Ramrod!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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romy says on May 12, 2008, 16:55:

I'd never even checked Simon's profile... the 'truest' Colombian here doesn't live in Colombia :o

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goin_south says on May 12, 2008, 16:59:

(romy... NONE OF THEM DO!) ja

'what does it mean, when one of you (colombians) tell another: YOU WERE NOT/ARE NOT. 'COLOMBIAN ENOUGH'?? jejeje..a mixture, I think, of stupidity mixed with a false sense of arrogance.. How 'colombian' do you have to be? to be 'colombian enough

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Lisa Zee says on May 12, 2008, 17:03:

Paleolitico. Angelita, many more.

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MitchAlvarez says on May 12, 2008, 17:36:

ramrod can you explain why make such stupid statement? at least expand on the mierda you say.

"Ingrid callate la jeta!! Stay in France"

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Lisa Zee says on May 12, 2008, 20:46:

I am going back sooner than later. Some of us have good jobs, adult children, that we would miss terribly, it is not that easy, but I will.
I do NOT want to be old and live in the USA, it is terribly depressing.

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MitchAlvarez says on May 12, 2008, 20:49:

Rubito because i make a lot more money here in NYC then if I moved back to Medellin. With my recent real estate investments and other stuff I have on the side I should be moving back completely in about 3 to 5 years. I also have a daughter who have to provide for and even though I dont live with her I do want to be part of her life.

There are many factors.

Trust me if i could leave I would do so this very minute.

"Ingrid callate la jeta!! Stay in France"

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Simon says on May 12, 2008, 21:01:

I also won't move back because I'm making too much money here.

Another reason is that I hate the culture of lack of respect for the law and for human life that sadly prevails in much of Colombia. When the country improves on those aspects, then they will have the honor of having me live among them again.


"My bet, Simon is a gomelo type guy working for the Colombian government up here. His attitude and the way he carries himself reminds me of some corrupt Dominican politicians I know."

I'm no gomelo, I come from a working-class family and why would I remind you of anyone corrupt? I have always criticized those unethical fockers who steal from the people!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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RAAAY says on May 12, 2008, 21:21:

Rubito....." And what, BOTH of you are saying is money is THAT important that it'd keep you away from your beloved Colombia?? "



Can't you read ??..............both mentioned money........yes.........and both gave valid reasons for not being in Colombia..............neither said money was the over riding issue.


.

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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romy says on May 12, 2008, 21:23:

for me it's school. As soon as I'm done, I'm gone.

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Lisa Zee says on May 12, 2008, 21:23:

If you have a child over 18, they would not go with you, this is home for them, (even if I took him to Col. every year for his first 12 years) and his father is very involved in his life.
If I did not have a child, I would have been gone for 20 years!. You can not leave a child without his mother or father, even if they don`t live together, they have to be in their lives.

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Simon says on May 12, 2008, 21:24:

Rubito,

I hate the BAD things about Colombian culture and we all know they do exist. For example, I just cannot agree with living somewhere where if anyone wants you dead, they can easily hire a 'sicario' to take you out and chances are they probably won't get caught!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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MitchAlvarez says on May 12, 2008, 21:35:

Rubito: Yes money is important for me. But its certainly not the most important issue. My daughter is. But I have some investments, debt, and pending issues in America that I cant just leave and take off.

My 5 year plan is probably going to be in the area of diving my year where i stay 6 months in Medellin and 6 here with my daughter. NOt sure how it will pan out maybe more frequent travels im not sure.

Like I said I love my Medellin and wouldnt change it for anything.

Now in regards to money. I spend a lot. I party a lot. I like to live good and well as a single guy who doesnt allow any of my ladies to pay believe me its an expensive lifestyle. You shoudl pass by my hangout spots here in Queens, NY and spend some time with my female friends and see how much your going to need money. jajaj

"Ingrid callate la jeta!! Stay in France"

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MitchAlvarez says on May 12, 2008, 21:39:

Simon in regards to your comment.

Yes this and other things are the downside to our beautiful country. I have never said Colombia is a Utopia. Furthermore, if i were a foreigner not having any link to Colombia I would probably visit but not live there. I was raised in Colombia and am probably used to all those little things that "Suck" about our country. I hope with time things can eventually change in those areas.

For all the cons and bad press about Colombia the good and pros in "my eyes and heart" outweigh everything by far.

"Ingrid callate la jeta!! Stay in France"

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Simon says on May 12, 2008, 21:45:

Oye Mitch, contame de esos 'real estate investments'. Qué son? Unos chochales? Lol. If it is, let me get a piece of that action!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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Simon says on May 12, 2008, 21:47:

'Furthermore, if i were a foreigner not having any link to Colombia I would probably visit but not live there."

I actually admire the foreigners with no links to Colombia who live there, my respects.

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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MitchAlvarez says on May 12, 2008, 21:49:

Simon, no but I do know people have those investments. My neighbor here in Queens (Un dominicano) actually recently moved to Medellin. Let me tell you this guy has managed to build quite an intereting business. El poder del dinero y la belleza femenina.

But I do agree with you. I give them much respect. Im not sure if i could do it.

"Ingrid callate la jeta!! Stay in France"

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MitchAlvarez says on May 12, 2008, 21:54:

Rubito... sorry if i have asked you this before but please tell me about yourself? are you colombian or have colombian parents?

That statement tells me that you are not really in tune with family traditions we have in Colombia and honestly in most latin american countries. Im refering to:

"If they're over 18, why would you worry about living in the same town anymore?"

First my answer, Because its my daughter (my blood) and I love her.

Second, family is big for us paisas, colombians, and latinos for the most part. i know a good percentage of puerto ricans and dominicans are a bit more americanized and less family oriented but for the most part most latinos are very much very "tight" with their families.

"Ingrid callate la jeta!! Stay in France"

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Simon says on May 12, 2008, 21:58:

"If they're over 18, why would you worry about living in the same town anymore?"

Ai Rubito, we already discussed this on the thread about why latinos stay home longer.....FAMILY VALUES!!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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romy says on May 12, 2008, 22:04:

I don't entirely buy the 'family values' argument... why is it that so many children are born to couples that are not married??

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Simon says on May 12, 2008, 22:05:

Because those idiots don't know what a condom is for!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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MitchAlvarez says on May 12, 2008, 22:10:

because in colombia as is in any country you cant generalize where everyone follows certain values. i can speak for the people i know and for a good percentage of cases i hear about. i

i wasnt married when i had my daughter. thats a whole separate issue romy. the issue here is family values in regards to the close ties between parents and their children irregardless of wether they were por to a married couple or not.

"Ingrid callate la jeta!! Stay in France"

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romy says on May 12, 2008, 22:14:

the male-female relationship is fundamental in 'family'... at least traditionally. The thing is that this traditional family structure is highly invalid nowadays, therefore it's not logical to argue for family values when they are so relative.

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MitchAlvarez says on May 12, 2008, 22:21:

rubito i respect your opinion but think its sad to hear that being progressive is to think that remaing close to your family is being a slave.

if your women pay for you then hey good for you brother. in my world i will never allow that.

lastly, "music is more important then people" are you saying music is more important then your children? wow... ok again that to me is sad.

"Ingrid callate la jeta!! Stay in France"

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Simon says on May 12, 2008, 22:21:

It was the lowest in the world a few years ago, but it's gone up since then.

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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MitchAlvarez says on May 12, 2008, 22:26:

why do they leave? for a better future for themselves AND their families. Thats why you see many of us send money to our families in colombia. To help them. In March when I was in Medellin i went out a couple of times with a very attractive women from Itagui who lives with her grandmother. Family was killed years back. She has a beautiful 5 year old son. She works during the day in a Funeral Home as a office assistant and at night she is a waiter at "Mister Cocktails" which is where i met her.

She made the following statement that will explain to you many things about women in Colombia: "Mira me toca trabajar como una burra pa poder sostener a mi hijo y a mi abuela. Si no trabajo todos los dias y solo descanso uno en la semana tendria que putiar pa poder sostenerlos." do you understand spanish or shoudl i translate?

"Ingrid callate la jeta!! Stay in France"

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romy says on May 12, 2008, 22:30:

I just don't think it's valid or even logical to argue that someone has or doesn't have family values, unless if you are referring to the ENTIRE traditional structure. Otherwise it's baseless.

Rubito, I think what is at effect in what you call a 'double standard' is that parents have a higher responsibility to see (and do everything possible) to see their children succeed, therefore they will stay with them if needed or let them go if it's better for them.

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MitchAlvarez says on May 12, 2008, 22:31:

"It seems weird to me that it's OK to stay in the US for the sake of family, but it's OK to leave Colombia and leave family behind. Bit of a double standard no?"

no it doesnt seem weird to me. like i said you would have to have family traditions such as ours, or probably simply be just closer to your family to understand. my mother came to the US when she was 20. she left her house to come work and send money to her family who was not doing too well. her brothers (my uncles) were both killed and my grandfather died young. My mother decided to come to america to help my grandmother and her sisters. To this day she still helps her extended family. So do I. Now she never left back to Colombia because now after she had children they became the priority. do you understand what im saying?

"Ingrid callate la jeta!! Stay in France"

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romy says on May 12, 2008, 22:32:

you can say people have a high commitment to the people they consider 'family', and that is different

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MitchAlvarez says on May 12, 2008, 22:33:

the people they consider family? jajaj oh man you guys are too much

"Ingrid callate la jeta!! Stay in France"

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romy says on May 12, 2008, 22:35:

do you not understand what I meant?
ie. do you consider a cousin family? how about 2nd cousin? 3rd? 4th? 5th?...

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MitchAlvarez says on May 12, 2008, 22:38:

yes they are all family.

believe it or not my family is very united. maybe thats why i say and believe the things i do.

when i visit we all get together and believe me we try to go to any of my uncles fincas or even mine. We sometimes have to split because there are so many of us.

But of course you also have families that arent as united. My fathers side........well thats a project in itself. I guess they are "progressive" as rubito calls it. lol

"Ingrid callate la jeta!! Stay in France"

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Simon says on May 12, 2008, 22:39:

You know something, I am all for helping family when in need...pero la chimba que me van a coger de pendejo mandándole plata a unos 'deadbeat relatives' para que puedan fantochar delante de sus amigos la ropita de última moda que se compraron con mi plata!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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romy says on May 12, 2008, 22:43:

then everybody is family Mitch, I bet we're cousins at some level be it 10th or 20th... therefore, yes everyone defines who is family on their own. it's called a relative term. Didn't they find the link between Obama and McCain?

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MitchAlvarez says on May 12, 2008, 22:43:

lol i agree simon. but certainly this is not the case with my folks. i keep in contact with them. they are part of my long term project in colombia. we are all working together for investments and stuff.

"Ingrid callate la jeta!! Stay in France"

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Simon says on May 12, 2008, 22:45:

Damn, don't scare me Romy....no offense, but I don't want to be related to you!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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romy says on May 12, 2008, 22:46:

sadly, you are at some level... this is true if you believe in creation or in evolution.

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Simon says on May 12, 2008, 22:47:

You mean I might actually be related to an anti-Uribista?! Qué susto!!!

JK, I actually do have some anti-Uribistas in my family, needless to say, they're not the sharpest tools in the shed, lol!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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lpdiver says on May 12, 2008, 22:49:

Yeah, like all blue eyed people have a common relative some six thousand years ago when the mutation occured.

t

"cook some rice!"

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romy says on May 12, 2008, 22:50:

ok, I don't have the time to teach you about science and politics, but you see it'd be basically impossible for all of humanity to not have had a single origin.

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Simon says on May 12, 2008, 22:50:

"Yeah, like all blue eyed people have a common relative some six thousand years ago when the mutation occured."


I knew blue-eyed people were mutants! LOL

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MitchAlvarez says on May 12, 2008, 22:51:

ok romy i got you. i think we all came from the original couple man.

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MitchAlvarez says on May 12, 2008, 22:53:

original couple= heriberto mejia ramirez de los angeles y maria concepcion rivera montoya jaramillo.

son de marinilla.

"Ingrid callate la jeta!! Stay in France"

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MitchAlvarez says on May 12, 2008, 22:56:

rubito im sorry i shoudl have just written it in spanish.

i asked her why she works so many hours and doesnt relax more and stuff. she said, "i have to work day and night. otherwise id have to be call girl in order to take care of my grandmother, child, and myself."

She says she wont do that. So she prefers to work all those hours instead. She did get all sensitive and almost cried when i spoke to her about not being around for her kid as you have mentioned. Its a sacrifice she has to do for now until she can find something better for her family.

"Ingrid callate la jeta!! Stay in France"

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goin_south says on May 12, 2008, 23:11:

this is one of the more interesting threads I've read for awhile on pbh.

Good call, Rubito, on Señor Simon: ..."somewhere where if anyone wants you dead, they can easily hire a 'sicario' to take you out and chances are they probably won't get caught!"

So Simon,.. you got some chinks in your armor that your worried about, maybe someone would want to have you put away???

'what does it mean, when one of you (colombians) tell another: YOU WERE NOT/ARE NOT. 'COLOMBIAN ENOUGH'?? jejeje..a mixture, I think, of stupidity mixed with a false sense of arrogance.. How 'colombian' do you have to be? to be 'colombian enough

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lpdiver says on May 12, 2008, 23:14:

Hmmmm. Maybe we need some virtual sicarros here in PBH.


t

"cook some rice!"

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MitchAlvarez says on May 12, 2008, 23:15:

for anyone who understands spanish, my mother used to say: "el que nada debe nada teme"

"Ingrid callate la jeta!! Stay in France"

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goin_south says on May 12, 2008, 23:17:

I understand it about 90 %; just not quite enough to know that I know exactly what it means,... so, why don't you give us the simplicity. Thanks.

'what does it mean, when one of you (colombians) tell another: YOU WERE NOT/ARE NOT. 'COLOMBIAN ENOUGH'?? jejeje..a mixture, I think, of stupidity mixed with a false sense of arrogance.. How 'colombian' do you have to be? to be 'colombian enough

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MitchAlvarez says on May 12, 2008, 23:19:

jaja ill try to put it so it makes some type of sense.

if you dont owe anything you dont fear anything.

"Ingrid callate la jeta!! Stay in France"

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lpdiver says on May 12, 2008, 23:41:

Or as Bob Dylan said, "When you got nothin, you got nothin to lose"

t

"cook some rice!"

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romy says on May 13, 2008, 05:48:

Ramrod- what is an American without money?
... though I personally don't consider anybody as 'shit'

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webmanco says on May 13, 2008, 05:54:

Ramrod
It does'nt mean anything to be Colombian (or from anywhere else) if you don't have money. People without money in Colombia are considered SHIT

The good thing is that most Colombians like to work and work generates money, but not everyone treats people without money like Ramrod does.

(I really hate it when women get their panties all bunched up their butt, they can get so cranky!) Poor butt happy

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webmanco says on May 13, 2008, 05:56:

You Ramrod, might be hanging around with the wrong crow. Not all colombians think alike.

A few colombians like to brag in front of foreigners, and one way to do it might be that, treating others less fortunate like shit in front of the foreigner, not that all of them will mean it. As a matter of fact be aware because colombian or not they might be setting you up.

(I really hate it when women get their panties all bunched up their butt, they can get so cranky!) Poor butt happy

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romy says on May 13, 2008, 05:57:

But that's not the way Colombians 'think'. That's the way your aquaintances think...

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MitchAlvarez says on May 13, 2008, 13:15:

romy a quien le dices eso? i got lost.

"Ingrid callate la jeta!! Stay in France"

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romy says on May 13, 2008, 15:53:

a Ramrod... como que lo borraron

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Simon says on May 13, 2008, 20:50:

Go to bed Rubito, and don't forget to say your prayers! lol

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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CatGirl says on May 13, 2008, 21:22:

Rubito: Sounds like a Knights of Templar chant....with exception of tweaking a few words to the era ;))

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

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MitchAlvarez says on May 13, 2008, 21:24:

rubito what hilo you want to continue?

"Ingrid callate la jeta!! Stay in France"

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MitchAlvarez says on May 13, 2008, 21:37:

you think so? interesting.

well i would think that anyone patriotic would still always put family first.
i guess thats how i was raised? i guess thats just the colombian in me brother? not sure man

"Ingrid callate la jeta!! Stay in France"

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MitchAlvarez says on May 13, 2008, 21:39:

Say a patriotic colombian stays with his children in say the USA to ensure that his/her children get the proper education and have the opportunity to succeed in life. Would this in your eyes make him unpatriotic? Why because he/she is not living in Colombia and doing what? Im confused bro. Whats unpatriotic about loving your country in a foreign nation as you take care of your loved ones?

"Ingrid callate la jeta!! Stay in France"

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CatGirl says on May 13, 2008, 21:44:

Mitch, Amor. I think any person that does what you are describing is honorable as a person. But I can say, I know Colombianos that are nothing close to what you describe ;(

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MitchAlvarez says on May 13, 2008, 21:46:

bad apples exist in all trees

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Simon says on May 13, 2008, 21:50:

Oh shit, here we go again.

I too have actually thought about this, and here's my plan if I ever decide to bring some more Simonsitos into this world, have my kid in Colombia so they will be Colombians by birth and raise them whereever I'm living.

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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ColombianoGringo says on May 13, 2008, 21:59:

Simon. Just out of curiosity, are you a US citizen?

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Simon says on May 13, 2008, 22:01:

Yo nací acá, hombre.

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MitchAlvarez says on May 13, 2008, 22:02:

thats a whole other topic in itself. the whole thing of what is better for the kids. to have been born in colombia or in the usa. we can talk about that extensively trust me.

"Ingrid callate la jeta!! Stay in France"

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coffee beaner says on May 13, 2008, 22:02:

I'll make my women jump the border just so my child is born as a gringito. Then I'll bring his ass back to Colombia... thats just me though.

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ColombianoGringo says on May 13, 2008, 22:04:

Pues es que tu perfil dice que en Colombia. No mas preguntaba por lo que decías de que tus hijos nacieran en Colombia. Lo bueno es que aun así, les puedes dar la ciudadanía de EU. Yo con mucho orgullo tengo ciudadanía Colombiana, pero tristemente, no sirve muy bien para viajar y es ventaja tener el pasoportico azul.

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Simon says on May 13, 2008, 22:05:

Shhhhhh hombe! Y tampoco vivo en 'Metropolis' por si las dudas!

"Lo bueno es que aun así, les puedes dar la ciudadanía de EU."

Ese sería el plan.

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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MitchAlvarez says on May 13, 2008, 22:06:

i agree cg thats why i said that

"Ingrid callate la jeta!! Stay in France"

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romy says on May 13, 2008, 22:06:

CG- pero en Europa se cozen la bandera Canadiense en la mochila...

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ColombianoGringo says on May 13, 2008, 22:06:

Ah juemichica. Este mansito viene de Krypton.

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CatGirl says on May 14, 2008, 08:34:

Rubito "What's wrong with raising kids in Colombia? I'd PREFER my kids grow up in Colombia to growing up in the USA."

I think that emphasis on the word "prefer" is the point. I think that it is all about preference. You brought them into the world, and you get to make those decisions the best you can. There is no guarantee as to the best place to raise a child.
Maybe Mitch is referring to their future and education?
depends on what you think will happen...it is not just Colombia. People come from many other countries to the US to get their College education and return (although harder these days with the cost) and make a substantial living. Many people see better opportunities by obtainig their initial education in the US, as it is transferrable to many other countries - but no the other way. All a perspective.

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goin_south says on May 14, 2008, 15:32:

the 'right school'?
I think it's got a whole lot more to do with the individual attending... 'whatever' school.

Benefits? are you suddenly talking: Pesos per Año, amigo?
or, 'other virtues'?

'what does it mean, when one of you (colombians) tell another: YOU WERE NOT/ARE NOT. 'COLOMBIAN ENOUGH'?? jejeje..a mixture, I think, of stupidity mixed with a false sense of arrogance.. How 'colombian' do you have to be? to be 'colombian enough

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ColombianoGringo says on May 14, 2008, 15:55:

"pero en Europa se cozen la bandera Canadiense en la mochila..."

No conozco a nadie que haga eso, pero me consta que ocurre. Tendría que ser una persona muy patética para hacer eso. Cuando nosotros viajamos a Europa, no andamos volando la bandera de EU, pero tampoco lo voy a negar.

Si a a alguna persona nmo les gusta que sea o Colombiano o Estadounidense, que se vayan a comer un cerro. Aunque me considero Colombiano mas que gringo, nunca me daria pena de haber crecido en EU. Yo le agradezco mucho a este país las oportunidades que nos ha dado a mi y a mi familia. Soy muy consiente de los aspectos positivos de haber crecido y nacido en EU.

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CatGirl says on May 14, 2008, 15:55:

Well, I am not sure if the public school system vs private mirrors anything close to the mess we have in the US...From what I know it is better in Colombia (comparing to US) and typically going to private school is more of an issue of what part you are from and a "class or status issue". But maybe I was misinformed (?) Very possible ja!
My ex's first daughter went to public school and learned spanish, english and french in Bogota. She was a bit sassy jaja, but I don;t think her attitude had anything to do with going to public school.

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CatGirl says on May 14, 2008, 15:56:

Looks like both CG's were typing at the same time jajaja

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romy says on May 14, 2008, 19:23:

CG- I certainly have ran into them, the Canadians just get treated nicer abroad is what they say

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ColombianoGringo says on May 15, 2008, 07:32:

It doesn't mean that it isn't an absolute chickenshit move. In my opinion, anyone who pretends to be from Canada instead of the US so they're "treated better" is a pretty pathetic individual. I think the word is wussy. Actually, it's a very similar word, but for the sake of the ladies, I'll just use wussy,

Like I said in Spanish, if someone doesn't like the fact that I am Colombian or American, they can go eat a big pile.

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romy says on May 15, 2008, 07:56:

I like that attitude, everybody should be proud of their roots. I startle people all the time on my insistence that I'm Colombian no matter where I was born, where I live, what nationalities I have, or what I look like.
I just wanted to point that out because it is very much a (p)wussy move and we laugh about it all the time from a Canadian perspective.

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kalder says on May 15, 2008, 08:06:

Why should anyone be proud of their roots? They're hardly a token of personal achievement.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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ColombianoGringo says on May 15, 2008, 08:10:

Whether you are proud of your roots or not, you should have enough balls to not be ashamed of what you are or where you come from. Would you hide the fact that you're British just because some stranger might not like it?

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romy says on May 15, 2008, 08:10:

there's this thing called survival of the fittest and many lineages have disappeared over the years because they have not been able to cope... yours and mine and everyone's has, so there's great merit in that. Further, you are the person you are today because of your genetics and because of the environment you were brought up in.

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romy says on May 15, 2008, 09:24:

quality of life measures are pretty darn high for Canada... survival of the fittest isn't the only thing that matters, but it proved my point.

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romy says on May 15, 2008, 09:36:

it's not even comparable the #of emigrants to the # of immigrants... I'm sorry you had a bad experience (or many) in Canada... what is IRL?

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Simon says on May 15, 2008, 10:21:

IRL = In real life.

"I think there are many benefits. It's not a car culture, so the social fabric isn't completely ruined yet,"

I don't like to admit it, but I agree with Rubito on this one.

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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Tinto (Moderator) says on May 15, 2008, 11:15:

With the key word being "yet." It's getting there, it's going to happen.

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Simon says on May 15, 2008, 12:02:

Tinto, aquí se habla español! Lol.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on May 15, 2008, 13:47:

I was reading this thread and would like to comment on this
"If they're over 18, why would you worry about living in the same town anymore?"

I think they are old enough to decided where they want to live, and you don't have to be behind them, by the age of 18 you have already taught them enough family values and is up to them now.
I for example would like to spend lots of time in Colombia, if my kids want to join me they are welcome but i can't stay in here after they both leave the house, what for?... they soon will make their own life maybe they will move abroad. who knows, is easier in Colombia for families to stay together but the USA /Europe is another culture, kids become more independent, no matter how much family values you have taught them they want to fly the nest as soon as possible and they have the resources.

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docwilliam says on May 15, 2008, 18:18:

I here you Kat.... I did everything but beg my son, not to enlist in the Army. He is 18, ten times smarter than I was at his age. He has a free ride with most Universities, in the U.S. (not the big ones though). I tried to at least convince him to go through the University and become an Officer, but no dice. He Graduated when he was 17, so once he turned 18 (and was moved out of the house) I had to let him go.......

"There's no time to panic"

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Simon says on May 15, 2008, 20:28:

" is easier in Colombia for families to stay together but the USA /Europe is another culture, kids become more independent, no matter how much family values you have taught them they want to fly the nest as soon as possible and they have the resources."


Oh no, not this topic again. The above isn't true, I know many latinos here, including relatives who still live at home well past 18. Qué vivan los valores hispanos!!

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PALEOLITICO says on May 15, 2008, 20:29:

TAN LINDO MITCCCCCCCHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

"Amar a las personas y usar las cosas; y no amar a las cosas y usar a las personas"

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Lisa Zee says on May 15, 2008, 20:56:

Kat: wait until yours are 18. And what about if they get married and have kids, you won`t be around to be a grandma!.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on May 16, 2008, 00:33:

Liza one is already 18, and his plans are traveling, he said he would love to live either Colombia or Japan just for sometime, don't know where he will settle maybe if he fall in love he will live where the other half will settle, what about if he marry a Japaneses girl eh? ain't going to live in Japan :))))

my daughter is moving in sept, she is away to Bristol college, then she is planing to stay there, so she can join a Drama academy.

I don't want to be grandma at such a young age :)))) i have so much to do, i just came back from Italy hey! Budapest is waiting for me, from now on is the world is my oyster :)))

And I hope i won't be a grandma for a long time :))))))).

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kat1 (Moderator) says on May 16, 2008, 00:40:

Simon, that's not valores hispanicos, everybody have to move sometime in their lives, i did! and my mother was happy that i found a loving guy, Valores? well yes she taught me to appreciate the family, to help and to love each other, and yes i have done that even if i am far away i have kept very close to them, spent as much time with them including every Christmas, and i have helped them, that is Family Values not matter even if you are away.

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elmodefoque says on May 16, 2008, 03:51:

hey rubi what the hell you doing up so early?
where in tarnation is the morph?

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elmodefoque says on May 16, 2008, 03:52:

it looks like i'll be home all day long,
we got bogota weather in NYC
rain on top of rain

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morphus says on May 16, 2008, 04:26:

I'm here.

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webmanco says on May 16, 2008, 05:42:

Well dogs in Bogotá got better weather all year round than dogs in NYC and Canada, besides dogs in Bogotá got better mates than dogs up there. :-)

What rain?

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elmodefoque says on May 16, 2008, 06:29:

i know lost of manes in colombia that live with their parents til their mid 40's .
some modefoques never leave
we call them HUEVONES

i was 6 when abandoned in barranquilla and 14 when i left my dad's apt in NYC.

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slguy says on May 16, 2008, 06:56:

i have yet to understand why anyone would glorify a tradition of people in their 20s-40s still living with mommy and daddy.

i can understand economic necessity...but if the offspring have the economic means to be independent, what's so wonderful about staying in the parents' home?

strikes me it's just a failure to instill self-sufficiency.

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elmodefoque says on May 16, 2008, 09:29:

web, i'm checking out your nice pic of bogota, very closely
maybe i've been living in NYC way way way tooo long BUT to me that chit looks depressing as alll HEEEELLLLL.
why?
to me, it looks no different than quito, la paz, cusco, lima, etc.
why?
any latin city where you have to wear a fokin jacket or a fokin coat is tooo damn injun for my taste. just look at those modefoques on that bike, INJUNSSSSSS
listen i'm an injun, but i don;'t want to live around modefoques who look like me

thank you

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elmodefoque says on May 16, 2008, 09:32:

look at that little injun kid with them red cheeks.
look at his dad.
He loooks like he should be picking potatoes up in those mountains, with dirty finger nails and chit

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elmodefoque says on May 16, 2008, 09:34:

he's got potatoe pickin hands

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webmanco says on May 16, 2008, 09:35:

and a corroncho is doing the driving, the kid is white.

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elmodefoque says on May 16, 2008, 09:37:

the guy driving the fokin bike looks like from honduras or guatemala
ugly modefoques

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webmanco says on May 16, 2008, 09:38:

or Nicaraguans :-) like the guy in Grupo Rio, I am just joking.

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elmodefoque says on May 16, 2008, 09:39:

yeahhhh jajajajajaj

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Monpirri says on May 16, 2008, 09:40:

Or just plain ugly Colombians, they are plenty in Bogota and everywhere.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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slguy says on May 16, 2008, 09:43:

"he's got potatoe pickin hands"

jajajaja

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elmodefoque says on May 16, 2008, 09:53:

is that modefoque wearing slacks and sneakers
the kid looks eskimo

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elmodefoque says on May 16, 2008, 09:54:

where is the fokin igloo

i don't see any trees

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Simon says on May 16, 2008, 10:22:

"i have yet to understand why anyone would glorify a tradition of people in their 20s-40s still living with mommy and daddy.

i can understand economic necessity...but if the offspring have the economic means to be independent, what's so wonderful about staying in the parents' home?

strikes me it's just a failure to instill self-sufficiency."


You see, in our culture, our parents actually love us and vice versa! "And I have yet to understand why anyone would glorify a tradition" where apparently the kids and the parents can't stand each other and both can't wait till the kid turns 18 to kick them out! Imagine that, leaving at 18, and since most of us can't even remember the first 3 or 4 years of our lives, that means you only really spent about 15 years with your beloved parents, that's a pittance of our lifetime!

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slguy says on May 16, 2008, 10:41:

in our culture, we love our children enough to instill self-sufficiency and independent spirits in them, and try not to be so selfish that we would sacrifce these qualities to our own selfish interests......plus, the ability to get laid in our own beds when we're adults. ;)

while you can claim whatever pleases you, simon - i have known PLENTY of single latinas who would MUCH prefer living on their own - except for incurring daddy's wrath for leaving his house before marriage. your platitudes are cute, but my experience shows me that this tradition is FAR more about control than love...

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webmanco says on May 16, 2008, 10:52:

Did not see the three? I guess elmo did not see the blue sky either, pic taken same day.

Sejuela, se fué la juventud. :-) La vejez no viene sola.

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Simon says on May 16, 2008, 10:56:

Yeah, they're so self sufficient and independent form their parents that they barely visit or call them, are ashamed to be sen with them in public and dump them off in old folks homes to rot when they get old instead of caring for them themselves. I mean honestly, when was the last time anyone saw a gringo teenager holding his mother or grandmothers hand in public? They'd die of embarrassment!

Why is it that some non-Colombians have the audacity to come to a website about Colombia and try to impose their traditions on us, especially their lackluster family values?

Hmmm, maybe that's why gringos value living by themselves and away from thier families so much, so they can have their own 'privacy' to do all those drugs!

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slguy says on May 16, 2008, 11:09:

maybe.. ;)

sometimes i just can't resist yanking your chain, simon...you puff up so fast.

i understand/admire more than you know....and agree w/ you, for the most part.

peace.

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morphus says on May 16, 2008, 11:11:

"I mean honestly, when was the last time anyone saw a gringo teenager holding his mother or grandmothers hand in public? They'd die of embarrassment!"

Thats true! I once left my 90 year old grandmother alone in the supermarket and she got lost :)

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Desideria (Moderator) says on May 16, 2008, 11:19:

Yes, there are those kind too, but then again, there are plenty of th other kind who call their aging parents every day, visit them frquently and care very deeply for them without smothering or suffocating them with their constant hovering over them. Take my Mum, for example, I know she loves me very dearly and I love her just as dearly but she needs space and she WANTS to live independently and have her own household and would absolutely HATE living with any of her dearly beloved children and their families. She likes living in her apartment with all amenities , just a five-minute ride from her daughter's, 15 minutes from the other daughter, grandchildren och great-grandchildren visit her and when she was hospitalized her grandchildren kept her company and held her hand at the hospital.

I'm with slguy on this, we love our children enough to give them room to develop into independent, self-supporting, strong individuals and as parents keep on living our lives even after the kids have moved out and keep on loving and enjoying their company even if they are not crowding on us with their lifestyle changes and friends and choices that we may not always agree with but have to accept because it's not us who decide over them.

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Simon says on May 16, 2008, 11:21:

Sorry if I sounded harsh Slguy, it's just that I hate this topic, it's been so done to death here.

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elmodefoque says on May 16, 2008, 11:23:

web, that bottom pic looks like a scene from that movie "clear and present danger"

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Tinto (Moderator) says on May 16, 2008, 11:28:

Whatever you think about this issue, ya' gotta admit, it's pretty darn funny to see two college-educated, employed, unmarried, over-the-age-of-35 Colombian brothers sharing a bedroom and a set of bunkbeds.

I wanted to ask but was afraid I'd get my butt kicked:

- do they fight over who gets the top bunk?
- do they drape a blanket over the bed and make a fort and play with flashlights in the fort?
- does the guy on the bottom annoy the hell out of the guy on the top by kicking the slats (support boards) above him?

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CatGirl says on May 16, 2008, 11:33:

Desi - I completely agree 100%. There comes a point in every persons life where independence and maintaining individual self becomes a luxury and a proud asset after a certain point.
I am sure the dynamics of every family is unique to itself. There are many cultures that "take care" and house their elders. Many times I find these folks pushed in the back or simply left to be just a mere shadow in the room or house. Not all people are good at taking care of other people and meeting their needs BTW. I respect family members that recognize this and take the necessary steps to ensure their loved ones are cared for appropriately (preferrably in the home if possible)
I feel the issue is Respect of the person and respect of what they have accomplished. Many times you see the younger generation miss out on much because of this. My 100 year old grandfather stayed at home until his last days...but my brother's never felt any interest in learning anything from him or take steps to find out his interests. How do you think it would feel when all your friends have died and you are 99 years old, with no one to relate to? Pretty isolated, eh? I would cherish his stories...even if he was a difficult personality, he was in WW2 and had many accomplishments and won many awards in his life.
Oh well...that's all I guess

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elmodefoque says on May 16, 2008, 11:33:

bunkbeds jajajajajajajaja

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elmodefoque says on May 16, 2008, 11:34:

posters of juanes all over the fokin place

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elmodefoque says on May 16, 2008, 11:37:

18 years old, throw that modefoque out!!!
i was sleeping in washington square park from the age of 15 to 18.

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elmodefoque says on May 16, 2008, 11:40:

then i got a fokin job. I rented an apt with my american injun buddies in the east village on 7th st between avenues b and c.
After 2 months we stopped paying rent and it took them nearly two years to kick us out

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elmodefoque says on May 16, 2008, 11:42:

one day we show up all high and chit and the marshalls had put big ass fokin locks on our door
what the fok is this? i says

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slguy says on May 16, 2008, 11:43:

"two college-educated, employed, unmarried, over-the-age-of-35 Colombian brothers sharing a bedroom"

i once had a peruvian woman refuse to accompany me for a long weekend at the beach - because "who would cook for my sons?" (yes...the 36-year-old twin sons who each owned successful bsinesses)

that was the last time she heard from this old pirate, btw.

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elmodefoque says on May 16, 2008, 11:50:

slguy, jajajajajaja 36 years old twin ajajajajaj
let them modefoques starve!!

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slguy says on May 16, 2008, 11:54:

my thoughts exactly, elmo.

in fact, i may even have made that very suggestion to mom. ;)

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elmodefoque says on May 16, 2008, 11:56:

slguy, i was surviving on Reagan cheese and wine.
YOu guys remember when President Reagan was giving away army surplus cheese to the poor. Well, that was me then.
LET THEM EAT FOKIN CHEESE!!!

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