Colombiano, let's hear your opinion on el amor...

Chaparral63 says on Apr 24, 2005, 06:09:

'Western'???? My entire life I've been under the impression that Colombia was a 'Western' country with a 'Western' culture ('Western' hemisphere, 'Western' language, 'Western' religion, etc.) So, reading from a professional sociologist specialized in Cross Cultural Management that Colombians are not 'Westerners' comes as something of a shocker.
If Colombia is not a 'Western' country, and Colombians are not 'Westerners', then what are we????

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doñaquixote says on Apr 24, 2005, 06:21:

In Asia... sorry Hemisheres can be north or south as well...and the whole world uses the words West to mean "those developed nations of N. America and Europe." Criticism accepted, I should have used "Northern", but as I live in India, I forgot.

Do you have any imput otherwise, if accept that you are right and I am wrong?

Dona Q

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Apr 24, 2005, 10:02:

very enlightening, mario anybody Colombian?
How do you feel about "western" (meaning European/North American) women?
Cheers,
Desi

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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doñaquixote says on Apr 25, 2005, 01:27:

Mario...
Hi there Mario

You're a bit US Centric, and shall we say, a bit bitter? Actually the American men on this forum are usually quite vehement about how much they hate American women. I actually feel sorry for these girls, especially as I have heard exactly the same words regarding US guys from American women in Europe. But I'm sure there are hundreds of other threads on this site which cater for your need to vent. I already know what you guys think.

So, as I said, any Colombian guys who want to share what they think, feel free. Your opinion on Australian, New Zealander and European women are also welcome.

regards

DQ

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Lionheart says on Apr 25, 2005, 02:28:

are the questions meant as insult? If you are really a sociologist your professor needs to be whacked. In your first semester you should have learned a few basics.

a) Aside from the fact that Colombia belongs to the Western world you cannot put all into one pot from there. There are hundreds of different cultures in your so-called "Western World" and each has their own special ways of life. Plus each person has their own personal characteristics.
At least Mario stuck to one culture he knows. And yes, it is US-centric, he only write what he knows, he doesn't claim to know all and everything.

b) Define dating? Dating US-style, dating to get laid first night, dating to get married, dating just for the fun of it? What about dating a Latina in the USA, or a Spanish girl in Spain? Is there a difference to a Colombiana? Yes, differences have been mentioned here, but you are tossing all in one pot. Why not add dating a Russian girl from Siberia? She is Western and she isn't at the same time.

c) getting sarcastic now ... a US girl has access to her meds so she can ignore the tough time. A European girl has her own life, why worry about somebody else's life? And why should a white girl worry about a Colombiano ... if he looks good, is good in bed, keep him, if he opens his mouth toss him.

d) Girls, go to Colombia and get a boy-toy, your girl-friend will envy you. A Colombiano has higher social value than an Asian boy. I heard they are built better too where you want it. I know, in that case you might wanna go black, but that also has problems in the family when you bring him home. Only problem you have with a Colombiano is finding one taller than you. Who cares about language problems, you won't listen to him anyway.

My personal take on cross-cultural relationships: it is a person-to-person thing like any other relationship ... add a few problems here and there, but it solves a few problems here and there as well. According to this, I think every Colombiano will have his own view as well.

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doñaquixote says on Apr 25, 2005, 03:49:

Semantics.
Lionheart, largelywhat is meant by the term "West" depends on your location. I would say that Colombia is South. I would also say that Colombians, along with every other nationality in the Western Hemisphere are "Americans". But if I used the word Americans when I meant "South Americans", everyone would get confused. I try to avoid using sociological terms on fora like this because people get confused. However, as this is sensitive issue, I apologised, accepted the correction and left the forum open for a meaningful discussion on cross cultural differences and attitudes. Exactly what is your beef?

Secondly, typically in the English speaking media, and in politics, and in every other context, the word "West" is used to mean Australia, New Zealand, Western Europe and North America. I didn't coin the phrase, it'sa product of the Cold War. Russia and Eastern Europe are not included historically in this term. Just to check, I also looked it up in the Cambridge Online dictionary:
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Definition
the West (COUNTRIES) noun [S]
North America, those countries in Europe which did not have communist governments before the 1990s.

westerner, Westerner [Show phonetics]
noun [C]
someone who is from a country in North America or western Europe:
Some of the Buddhists came from Sri Lanka, South-East Asia and East, while others were Westerners by birth and upbringing.

westernize, UK ALSO westernise [Show phonetics]
verb [T]

to cause the ideas and ways of doing things which are common in North America and most of Europe to be used and accepted by someone or something in or from another part of the world

westernization, UK ALSO westernisation [Show phonetics]
noun [U]

westernized, UK ALSO westernised [Show phonetics]
adjective
having a culture like North America and western Europe:
As the political emphasis shifts, Bulgaria will inevitably become more westernized.

(from Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary,http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=89999&dict=CALD) As a sociologist, I check my facts. Now, to move on...
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But yeah, I'm interested in what you think, if we can stop getting bogged down in semantics.

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doñaquixote says on Apr 25, 2005, 04:08:

Cheers... Define dating? Dating US-style, dating to get laid first night, dating to get married, dating just for the fun of it?


Any one of the above, actually. What would you rather start with?


Yes, differences have been mentioned here, but you are tossing all in one pot. Why not add dating a Russian girl from Siberia? She is Western and she isn't at the same time.
?

It's not a case of tossing all in a pot, it was as an opener for a discussion. No one is saying everyone is the same. Except maybe you and your interesting views on penis size. Calm down.


c) getting sarcastic now ...

Why? Are you feeling threatened...?


a US girl has access to her meds so she can ignore the tough time. A European girl has her own life, why worry about somebody else's life? And why should a white girl worry about a Colombiano ... if he looks good, is good in bed, keep him, if he opens his mouth toss him.


Nice. So you think all Americans are the same? Or Europeans? Come on Lion, you're a bright guy... my own personal opinion is that I can teach any man to be good in bed, if he isn't already. It's the strength of character and moral fiber which will determine whether I keep him around. I'm sure a lot of girls will agree with me here.

But let's not talk about what WE think, lets talk about what YOU think...


d) Girls, go to Colombia and get a boy-toy, your girl-friend will envy you.


I think that whether a man uses a woman, or a woman uses a man, is bad , always bad. Human beings, boys or girls are not toys. Besides, I did that, my girlfriends would think I was pathetic... dunno about anyone else?


A Colombiano has higher social value than an Asian boy. I heard they are built better too where you want it. I know, in that case you might wanna go black, but that also has problems in the family when you bring him home


Ah yes, the old myth. Asian men are small, Black men are large. Gringos are average. Here's the deal. Every dick is different, my friend, but arseholes are the same everywhere.


Who cares about language problems, you won't listen to him anyway.


Cynic are we?


My personal take on cross-cultural relationships: it is a person-to-person thing like any other relationship ... add a few problems here and there, but it solves a few problems here and there as well. According to this, I think every Colombiano will have his own view as well.


Wow! A real insight! Cheers mate!

DQ

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elmodefoque says on Apr 25, 2005, 05:31:

In my humble Colombian opinion, I like my women drunk, blonde and on all fours. Not to brag , but since living in NYC practically all my life I had the chance to bang many broads from all corners of the planet but I still believe that white and NYC Puerto Rican or newyorican girls not only drop dead gorgeous, but the best sex hands down. I gotta admit, that exotic Indian looking girl in Calipro’s black and white collection is one of the best looking girls I’ve seen from Colombia, even more beautifully than my daughters. Her lips are almost as sensual as Kat’s but I bet like all Colombian women she prefers her man dry as English muffins.
Kat me tienes loco, todos los dias te ago el amor mientras me baño.

PROUD ENEMY OF THE RIGHT WING!!!!!! THANK YOU!

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tylerlover_heshot says on Apr 28, 2005, 07:07:

That is a stereotype, not all US women are like that, some are real, and dont like to be called materialistic, I'm not saying im one of them cuz I do love my bling bling! But we aren't all as bad as we seem! Give us a little slack!


~Nicole ♥'s Tyler Forever~

~Nicole ♥'s Tyler Forever~

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joyzers says on Apr 28, 2005, 07:57:

Bad stereotype I am none of these things. Now I haven't grown up in the US my whole life, so I have had influences of another culture, but I am American and none of these things. I myself don't like being around girls that behave this way. I have heard over and over of how the gringas that come to Colombia are all viewed as "easy" and superficial. It's possible that the gringas coming to visit are this way because they are looking for one thing, their "latin lover". Therefore, they are there for the purpose of being loose with the Colombianos. They are looking for a release from the other stereotype of the average, boring close-minded gringo). Therefore, even though that may be represented as the average gringa, that's not at all the case. Now, I'm just speaking for myself. I believe that happiness can not be found through material possessions nor through another human being. Happiness can only come from within. Once they have their share of what someone said "bling, bling" and their "latin lover" that they were searching for, they will still find themselves searching for more and more because it never satisfied them and made them happy. Hence the view of them always being out for something- they are. They just don't realize that they're out for the wrong things and that they'll never find happiness through them. That's my gringa psychology for the day. Does anyone agree, or is this just my thinking alone?

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