Colombiana psychology - help

Crazy4Cali says on Dec 24, 2006, 13:43:

Move on. Trust your gut.

Let her want you.
If she doesn't, then you'll know where you stand.

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utopiacowboy says on Dec 24, 2006, 14:02:

Kick her sorry ass to the curb HARD. Yes you should be using your time with a more sincere woman. In Colombia pretty women are like buses - there's one every minute.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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chester says on Dec 24, 2006, 14:54:

You Have Bad Breath Fool. Brush your teeth.

In fact, take her along to the drug store and make sure she knows that you know your breath stinks. buy some mouthwash. (and a pack of condoms)

and, ask her advice for help on buying some new clothes. How long you been wearing that 1970's leisure suit?

a haircut wouldn't hurt either.

please, don't tell me you're a fat b*stard too.


uhhh, you do have an ATM card, right?

insist on using the machine at the Mall.

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Wastelandlive says on Dec 24, 2006, 15:05:

You're getting mixed signals... ... because she's sending mixed signals.

Why is it that guys go to another nation and they want to think they are dealing with a new species?

Wasteland

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poco says on Dec 24, 2006, 15:11:

Are you sure it was LUCK ???? Anyway almost as soon as I arrived I had the good luck to meet a beautiful and smart woman

Or was it the 50K peso note sticking out of your shirt pocket ???

You weren't tipping piles of those 500 pesos coins were you ???



Oh,, BTW:)

The wood project is essentially complete, most of it anyway. I had a choice, use some of the granite left over from the construction of Pablo Escobars tomb or a wood top. The purple stripes sold me on the idea of having a 3 inch thick 9 foot long bar top.

The Colombians sure know how to work the wood. The Colombians can make anything out of wood. I saw some wooden dildos for sale at a country fair. Under the table of course. I wonder if getting a woodie originated in Colombia ?

"When you men get home and face an anti-war protester, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she's dating a pussy." Quote - General Tommy Franks

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aztec says on Dec 24, 2006, 15:36:

elgrin, You are forcing it. Back off and if something is there you will feel it! You are making the same mistake many of us have made. We want it to work out so much that we keep pushing.

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Lisa Zee says on Dec 24, 2006, 15:36:

Don Gringo is right! She could be shy, and she is letting you know she likes you. But is not "lista". Just listen to Don Gringo.

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jay1234 says on Dec 24, 2006, 15:57:

poco Sorry if I missed the post earlier...what are you building? I keep seeing these photos in different threads. The erections. The mortar and brick stuff. Now the bar. What and where are you building?

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esporti says on Dec 24, 2006, 18:13:

She's being a lady and not a whore keep dating her, she will warm up to you over time, she's letting you know she's not a whore....

Colombiana's don't play gringa type games.

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arthur brode says on Dec 24, 2006, 19:18:

DG I have been wanting to ask you....when i invite women to go out on dates they always want to go out to resturants,clubs,movies,places where i have to spend my pesos.What i want to know is how can i avoid spending my pesos on dates? I usually invite them to the park thats across the street from my apartment.But they dont like that idea.As you know there are plenty of girls here that are only interested in spending your cashhhhhhh.Gasolineras is what they are called.So i was wondering how do you deal with those type of women?

http://www.calirentals.net/

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Miguel says on Dec 24, 2006, 20:57:

elgrin IMHO, time will tell, but I'm with DonGringo on this one, at this point.

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Gomezman5 says on Dec 24, 2006, 21:10:

DonGringo.... "Most likely she is doing this because she likes you. She may be doing it because she want's to have something meaningful with you and she want's you to respect her."

I just want to know something DonGringo, what Colombia are you living in? Ihave to be carefull about commenting myself because Morphus says I cannot know much about Colombia because I always stay in plus hotels,,,,but I will try and figure this out anyway. Anyway, so now we are assuming that because the girl is Colombian, and because did NOT kiss him right away,we can leap to the erroneous conclussion that she ain't some Colombiana looking for a meal ticket to the US, but she is in fact a woman with honorable intentions. Think about that comment DG. It's funny if you think about it. If it was the exact same situation in the US, if the girl pulled away from a kiss on the first or second date, we would take that as a given and that the guy who would try to kiss her is a moron. Furthermore, we also would not be surprised if the girl decided not see the guy again. In other words, a woman doing that here in the US is the norm. At least in the US I live in it is. Oh sure there are exceptions, but I don't know any self respecting professional woman in the US that would be kissing a man on a first date. BTW, I'm not talking about the kiss on the cheek either. But because its Colombia, some people, like Gringo quickly assume that if she pushed your kiss away early on, she is "looking for something meaningful." Yea....that's possible. But to me, it's more likely that she has joined the new group of Colombian women that realize that most Gringos are catching on to how bad things are for the average poor hottie, and how much better things could be if they were only living in the US. And she also knows that a lot of American guys are getting burned. (You never hear about that on here---kinda like the people people who come back from Vegas that are winners...never hear about the losers do ya?)So anyway, she says to herself, "I'll act like a real lady to show him that I'm the girl for him" And she does. It's a win win situation for her. She gets to put off kissing some Gringo that she only wants to use anyway, and second, she lulls the guy into thinking that she is really a lady. Great trick. They already have people like DonGringo believing that women like these are sincere. Yea sure. About as sincere as a three dollar bill.

I agree with Brode....keep it simple and forget the dinners. Even Crepses and Waffles is too nice for a first and second date. I like that.....walk in the park idea. You can by here an arepa, pandebono, tinto, or maybe even an empanada or two. Nothing flashy.

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Gomezman5 says on Dec 24, 2006, 22:31:

Yep Rufus "Yep keep it simple boys ply them with ron & aguardiente and up to my hotel room to see my stamp collection... ;)"


I could not have said it better myself.

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Miguel says on Dec 24, 2006, 22:39:

G5 You missed Don Gringo's point totally and you have NO IDEA how I have covered your ass with the Mods over the past couple of weeks. You are an easy target for cheap shots, and much to the credit of the Mods, they have deleted the posts from your detractors.

Happy _(insert the appropriate holiday here.)

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arthur brode says on Dec 24, 2006, 23:15:

i agree with G5 Some Colombianas can look innocent but be conniving.They can fool the best of the best.I know one hot Caleña that receives money from atleast three different Gringos in the States on a monthly basis.And she has been band from almost every marraige agency in Cali for scamming Gringos out of there cash.Her whole family was involved in this enterprise.Yeah,and how come you never here about the Gringos that got taken to the Cleaners? jeje

http://www.calirentals.net/

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arthur brode says on Dec 24, 2006, 23:34:

es mejor estar solo que mal acompañado .

http://www.calirentals.net/

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goin_south says on Dec 25, 2006, 00:16:

if something is there you will feel it! uhm-huh. unless of course, you have done too much cocaine

“ I would rather be a conservative nut job rather than a liberal with no nuts and no job.”

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goin_south says on Dec 25, 2006, 00:19:

"she's letting you know she's not a whore...." so, jus because 'most Colombianas' like sex as much as any gringo who posts here, then she is a whore???

so, all the other 99.9% Colombianas that rip your clothes off, as soon as the door is shut,... are????

ALL,....ALLLLL of YOU GUYS POSTING ABOVE ARE BEING ABOUT THE MOST 2-FACED AS ANYTHING I HAVE EVER READ ON THIS FORUM.

Elgrin... who knows? Everything posted is a possibility and THAT IS ALL. YOU, ELGRIN, ARE THE ONLY ONE WHO WILL EVER KNOW. Use your gut feeling, and report back in a few weeks or months about how so many people here were wrong, wrong, wrong.

BETTER be sending Mark Anthony another Christmas Card, G5. He has saved you once again. Very nice, gesture of sympathy, Mark.

“ I would rather be a conservative nut job rather than a liberal with no nuts and no job.”

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Gomezman5 says on Dec 25, 2006, 00:42:

No Miguel.... I did not miss DG's point in the least. I can read English. He said don't lump this girl with the rest of the girls that are so often discussed here. Give her a chance. She may be different. Yea yea, I read the rest of the post about he should see how she is when around others and bla bla bla. Forget it. She is a con.....OK Miguel? She is just using a little reverse psychology to make the guy feel like she really is different and she really is "the one" for him. That's my take on things.

Miguel, are you another one of the people here that get hypersensitive everytime I voice suspicion about a Colombiana's intention when she is dating a gringo in Colombia? Look, I had two Colombian girl friends. They are the best kind of Colombian girlfriend there is. THEY ARE HERE .....legally and employed in the US. Do you know any type better than that? Look, if these girls are the greatest thing since chopped liver, than when they come here, they keep the cultural heritage and the other mannerisms that brought gringos to Colombia in the first place. NO? What am I missing here? If a girl happens to be a con artist, sure, she will be a princess in Colombia, and turn into some nasty B when she gets here and by then, you will be all too happy to see her go....wherever. My ex GF from BAQ dated me for 3 years. She was and still is a PT here. She wanted marraige, I said no, and the rest is history. Although we still talk regularly.

Now I am not sure what my response to DG had anything to do with you "covering my ass" with the mods. More PBH logic.....or lack thereof. For one thing, there was only one mod (Tinto) until Desi got here. Tinto is his own man. Nobody tells him what to do. As to the posts that were edited, I would venture to say that the ones you called to their attention on my behalf, I caught myself as well. I find it funny how the only time I seem to have a supporter here is when I irritate someone in a post, and then they tell me how they cam to my aide in the past. It sounds a bit disingenuous and self serving, but....so be it.

BTW Miguel, my father used to say, when you do someone a favor, it's OK to tell them about it at the time you do it, but don't mention it later, and don't keep throwing it in their face.....otherwise the favor loses its significance. Keep that in mind.......

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arthur brode says on Dec 25, 2006, 00:48:

if i relied on my "gut feelings" i would end up at the Cleaners with the rest of the pendejo gringos....jeje

http://www.calirentals.net/

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goin_south says on Dec 25, 2006, 00:53:

G5, that's good advice your father gave... when you do someone a favor, KEEP it to your f*k#n self. Some people think they got to tell the world, how they saved your a**.

I think you agree, THESE GUYS posting above are suddenly stricken with self-righteous grunt.

“ I would rather be a conservative nut job rather than a liberal with no nuts and no job.”

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goin_south says on Dec 25, 2006, 01:00:

We could all write about 14 different explanations about why this lady is behaving the way she has so far. Please,...
Write a recap later, to allow all to expand their reality.

“ I would rather be a conservative nut job rather than a liberal with no nuts and no job.”

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robi666 says on Dec 25, 2006, 01:25:

Give her a test: Sonnie's or Mario's test!
Alright, listen to me. You pull up right where she lives, right? Before you get outta the car, you lock both doors. Then, get outta the car, you walk over to her. You bring her over to the car. Dig out the key, put it in the lock and open the door for her. Then you let her get in. Then you close the door. Then you walk around the back of the car and look through the rear window. If she doesn't reach over and lift up that button so that you can get in: dump her.
Or, if you prefer:

when you go out with this girl, and you take her for a ride on the freeway. then you gotta find one of these big 18 wheelers, and get the drivers attention. As soon as the driver is looking in your car, you grab this broads head and shove it between your legs. If she starts goin down on you, knowin the guy in the truck is watching, she's a slut and cant be trusted.

Better to burn out than to fade away.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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arthur brode says on Dec 25, 2006, 01:31:

or if she can cook this good she is a keeper


Arroz con Pollo 11,000 pesos Apolo Restaurante(Domicilio Gratis)

http://www.calirentals.net/

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robi666 says on Dec 25, 2006, 01:49:

The one above is the most intelligent answer someone can give to you here. We don't know this girl and you're the only one who can feel why she's acting like that. Just one thing... if it happens to me and I invite her for the third time, it means that I really like her. I wouldn't go posting on a forum for a suggestion, I am pretty sure about what to do and what to look for. So, you really don't know anything about how to deal with a Colombiana and you really like her, so just go SLOW, extremely SLOW, before trusting her. That's all and it has nothing to do with second or third time meeting!

Better to burn out than to fade away.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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aztec says on Dec 25, 2006, 04:33:

The threat about and from monitors is most irritating! "G5

You missed Don Gringo's point totally and you have NO IDEA how I have covered your ass with the Mods over the past couple of weeks. You are an easy target for cheap shots, and much to the credit of the Mods, they have deleted the posts from your detractors."

This site is mainly self regulating and only rarely gets out of hand. Invariably, over time monitors will impose their personal bias against certain posters. We here have been very fortunate not to have been overrun with them. Fortunately also, that the two(?) we currently have stay out of the fray and restrain themselves when it comes to threats.

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Miguel says on Dec 25, 2006, 08:08:

To G5 and the OP G5: My use of the "covering your ass" phrase was out of place. I was talking about several comments from other posters that clearly were personal attacks on you and against the rules of this website.

As far as your statement:"BTW Miguel, my father used to say, when you do someone a favor, it's OK to tell them about it at the time you do it, but don't mention it later, and don't keep throwing it in their face.....otherwise the favor loses its significance. Keep that in mind......."

I chose to tell you about this "favor" after the fact, which is contrary to your father's advice. I am hardly "throwing it in your face", but as I already stated, my "covering your ass" phrase was a poor choice of words on my behalf.

And as far as your comment:

"As to the posts that were edited, I would venture to say that the ones you called to their attention on my behalf, I caught myself as well."

Sorry G5, but the only people that caught that vile "new thread" and not a post were the OP, me, and a moderator that blew it out in less than ten minutes.

To the OP...hang in there! Once again, I agree with DG that you may have a winner!!!

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Miguel says on Dec 25, 2006, 08:09:

To G5 and the OP (Merry Christmas)

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Gomezman5 says on Dec 25, 2006, 09:21:

Thanks Miguel.....you are a gentleman When I first read your post, I had to recheck who was writing it because it just didn't quite register with my previous experience with you. I thought wow, even my "friends" here are turning on me. Anyway....your apology is most certainly appreciated and accepted.

Like I said, you are a gentleman.....and

a Merry Christmas to you......................

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alleycat says on Dec 25, 2006, 09:25:

it's not a good sign that you're unable to "read" or understand this woman's behavior. you should be able to immediately and instinctively discern whether or not she's genuinely attracted to you. if her "signals" are garbled, it's not a good beginning. we need more information, however, to give you a better answer. for example: 1. how did you meet her? 2. are you and her similar in attractiveness? 3. if this exact same woman was an american woman in the u.s., would she be dating you?

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Gomezman5 says on Dec 25, 2006, 10:10:

Alleycat.......you're missing the point "Reading" the woman is not the issue at all here. First of all, are you a Colombian woman? If you are, than you should understand what we are talking about. If not, then you are probably not familiar with what we are talking about. You cannot even begin to compare an American woman to a Colombian woman in this situation. If an American woman is just using you for your money, you walk away, end of story. If married, you divorce. But when you are talking about an American man having to go through all the trouble, headache, and cost.....yes cost....to "bring" a woman to this country, only for her to find some Colombian or other Latino man here, and then say adios, we are talking about something different.

In Colombia, a gringo is like the lottery for many Colombian women. IF they can attach themselves to a gringo, they win. When you take into account what men instinctivly look for, and the Colombian women's cache of those assets and then some, along with their looks, it is all to easy for a single, vulnerable, ......yes vulnerable gringo man to caught in her clutches. The rose colored glasses become rosier than ever...and they never come off. When a gringo goes there, he is on a mission. He has for the most part, made the decison that he has not been able to find what he wants here. Hence, these women look all that more appealing. Hey we have had some people here that have fine some wonderfull wives and I wish them the best.

The reality is however that in this case and in many cases, the women alwasys provide you a good read......It's not what you read, it is whether what you read is really what you see. Or to state it in more crude ways, Is what you see what you get. Colombian women are notorious for being great con artists, and they well known for using the attributes described above, for the purpose of locking in a man, to get the trip here. So "reading" is not the issue. It's sincerety that counts. Let me tell ya, if reading the woman was so easy, you would not have all of these failed marraiges once the woman gets here. Most of these guys going over there are well educated middle aged men.They are not naive 25 year olds that lack common sense. They have been around the block more than a few times. Just listen to their stories. So, you have to be "good" to pull one over on them. Yet, it still happens and we are trying to prevent that from happening here.

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 25, 2006, 11:10:

Great posts Dongringo.
Great posts Dongringo.

He who farts in church, sits in his own pew.

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goin_south says on Dec 25, 2006, 11:30:

more truth would be understood if guys would get this: 'not all these girls are after you for your money. That is total bullshit.' DonGringo is right on this one.

'In the states you are under a constant pressure to succeed'..... or one could look at the other perspective: IN THE STATES, you have the ALMOST CONSTANT OPPORTUNITY TO SUCCEED, if you just get up and put in a good effort each day. To my understanding, maybe in Colombia, you don't have the pressure, but I think that is changing and has already been discussed at length on other threads, but AS OF YET, I THINK THE OPPORTUNITY IS JUST NOT QUITE AS GREAT for so many people.

BUT, I HOPE AND CAN SEE THAT CHANGING AS TIME GOES, and the Colombian Economy improves over the next 10 to 20 years.

G5...'Let me tell ya, if reading the woman was so easy, you would not have all of these failed marraiges once the woman gets here.'

Are there any RELIABLE statistics on this issue? One would think somewhere there might be the simple statistic available: "GRINGOS MARRY COLOMBIANS WHO LIVED IN COLOMBIA AND CAME TO THE USA ON EITHER MARRIAGE OR SPOUSAL VISA."

Or, are you only referring to the 'next sad story that gets posted on PBH every week'?

Merry Christmas to All!

“ I would rather be a conservative nut job rather than a liberal with no nuts and no job.”

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Gomezman5 says on Dec 25, 2006, 12:01:

Galecito.....reliable stats??? No but Consider this....It is human nature to report and show of their gains and accomplishments. Failures are never talked about. Like I already mentioned....Las Vegas is no better example. Everyone I know that wins there loves to come back and talk about the fact that they came out ahead....or they won. Do you ever hear people bragging about how much they lost? The undeniable fact is that there are many, many times more people that lose than win there. Are there any reliable statistics that reflect my contention? Probably not. But, you don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out that the Casinos have you coming and going. That place would not have grown into the world attraction that it is if the casinos were just coming out on top .....barely. Same with Lotto tickets. Here in Illinois, the chances of winning anything of substance are poor, but people always talk about there paltry victories of $400 $250 or even $1500 once and awhile. Do they ever talk about the amoung of money they spent to get there. Do you know a state that ever abandoned their lottery because it was not profitable? On the contrary....ALL states have expanded their lotteries to creat newer sucker games for you to lose at.

Same thing here. When a gringo marries a Colombiana, and she comes here, only to disappear, or change thereby resulting in a divorce, do you think he talks about it? You think he reports it to some survey keeping service.

Hey,,,,,if marrying Latinas from other country was all that it was cracked up to be, then why is it that for the most part, it is only GRINGOS/Eurpoean people that go over there to marry and bring the ladies back here? You sure don't see many Colombian woment going back there to look for a woman. Sure it happens, but I don't want to hear about the small exceptions. These marraige match making services market to gringos.....not latinos. Unless it was a lady they knew already when they lived in Colombia, you don't see many Colombians running back to their own country to look for their wife. Again, please no anecdotal isolated examples of where you heard of it happening. I'm talking about the rule not the exception. The closest I know to what is similar, are the Colombian guys that go back, to secure an engagement visa just so they can fool around with the girl and when time is up....(90 days) they put her on a plane and right back she goes. Then, some time in the near future, they go back and do it all over again with another chica.

And that is my answer to the reliable statistics question you are looking for. There are none, and never will be for the reasons I have outlined above......

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 25, 2006, 12:32:

Unless you come up with some solid, creditable statistics of how many Colombians "import" a wife from the home country vs. how many gringos go to Colombia for the same purpose I consider your opinion to be totally anecdotical and just that...an opinion. Please Gomezman don't try to make it sound like your opinions were the fact everybody else's just "isolated anecdotes"-

Cheers,
Desi

«Sé que los seres humanos y los peces podrán coexistir en paz». ( George W. Bush, Saginaw 29-09-00)

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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Gomezman5 says on Dec 25, 2006, 13:27:

Des.,...don't start OK? Why do you want to start something before something even happens. Perhaps you better reread my post. I said that most men that import Colombian wives are Gringos (non latinos). But in true form with most on this web site, you have people that like to report the isolated instance of the latin man that goes down to Colombia or any latin American company to find a wife. And my comment was and STILL IS, that to mention those isolated instances would amount to anecdotal information. People on this place like to come up with the silly isolated instances that defy the norm and make it look like common place. I just did not want to hear someone fire back that "I know this guy who went to Col to find get married...bla bla bla. As a rule, Latin American people in the US......Mexicans included, DO NOT GO BACT TO THEIR RESPECTIVE COUNTRIES TO FIND WOMEN TO MARRY!!You can count on it. Are their exceptions? Yes but they are few and far between. Information as to the exceptions that any one person here may know of would be anecdotal evidence in support of the notion that latin American men do go back to look for wives...That is my opinion. This assertion does not include those men that already had preexisting relationships with a woman before they arrived here.

What gets me about your post....is that you admonished me when my comment was not a personal attack, and furthermore, it was not addressed to any one person in particular. Hence, your criticism of me was unwarranted. Yet you felt like popping in and admonishing me as to what I should say or not say. You sure aren't that quick to speak up when real personal attacks are hurled directed at me. They just seem to sail right over your head, until I fire off a PM to complain. Sorry Des......you invited another criticism of moderation again. Whether you were admonishing me as a member or a moderator I am not sure, but because you are a moderator, I have to assume that everything that you say that questions my style or form of communication, is coming from you in your capacity as a moderator. When Rubito went on his full frontal attack, and eschant...did his cursing rountine, it took a few emails to get a slap on the wrist. Don't tell me you are tired of my comments on moderation either. You brought it up. Not me.......Me things, you should lighten up....like Tinto.

Aside from all that .......Merry Christmas Des.

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goin_south says on Dec 25, 2006, 13:45:

Yeah, we all know that 97% of those who go to Vegas loose Hardly can that be compared to any success gringos have with Colombian-imported wives. Chris Gringo himself would laugh at such comparisons. That is like COMPARING REINDEER TO EASTER BUNNIES! jaja...
Merry Christmas.

“ I would rather be a conservative nut job rather than a liberal with no nuts and no job.”

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 25, 2006, 13:50:

Gomezman, I'm not moderating now either plenty of latinos, Colombians included, go back to their countries when they are looking for a new bride. It's just not something that is being reported back or part of any marriage agency hullabaloos. Anecdotal: I know several Colombianos in Stockholm who have been back to Colombia and remarried with a Colombiana they met there. They have travelled back just for that purpose: they call it a fresh importation.

No, my previous post was not written as a moderator, only as Desi, private person. I think you assume too much when you assume that your opinions is the rule and that's why I said that unless you present some reliable statistics I will take your statement on this topic only and exclusively as your opinion, your take on this matter. Maybe right, maybe wrong. Nothing less, nothing more.

Whatever you think about my moderating does not really rock my boat because I know I've deleted a thread that was a personal attack against you and I've admonished privately several posters on your behalf, but it doesn't really matter because it has nothing to do with you really but only maintaining a policy. I'm just doing my job. I'm not perfect (yet), but I'm honest. If I got any more lightened up I'd be blinking and shining like my Christmas tree.

Cheers,
Desi


«Sé que los seres humanos y los peces podrán coexistir en paz». ( George W. Bush, Saginaw 29-09-00)

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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morphus says on Dec 25, 2006, 14:14:

If the girl is not a virgin and does'nt give it up by the third date, you should end it.

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morphus says on Dec 25, 2006, 14:19:

Heres a good tip: when you are holding her hand, guide her hand to your crotch. A lot of women like that.

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utopiacowboy says on Dec 25, 2006, 15:03:

I prefer to guide her head to my crotch.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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morphus says on Dec 25, 2006, 15:15:

Thats a little rude on the first date.

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jay1234 says on Dec 25, 2006, 15:39:

What about the third date? .

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Monpirri says on Dec 25, 2006, 15:44:

You guys are like a bunch of kids between 10 and 16 years old.

The life spam of a taste bud is ten days

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Gomezman5 says on Dec 25, 2006, 15:46:

Well Des.....if You think I am a blow hard and pontificator, that's great because that only means that I fit in without 70-80% of the people that post hear. Everyone is a know-it-all. So, I'll play the role too.

Well good, I'm glad I you're all lit up. You probably would look good better than your Christmas tree. So turn the lights on your tree off and save on your electric bill.

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miamimike says on Dec 25, 2006, 16:05:

Gomezman You do the math,,,, 6 of 10 marriages here in the USA between two Americans(born here and who speak perfect english) Fail so what do you think the chances are between Two people who hardly speak a common langauge, one is experiencing a strange new culture(such as a colombian woman coming here)so now she has culture shock to boot. Think the Odds of a Marriage failing remain at 6 in 10???? They skyrocket, maybe in this case it would be conservative to say 9 0f 10 of the types of marriages you speak of go down the Tubes to failure. I've looked up a scientifically vented sucess/failure rate but never could find one. One thing is certain: the failure rate is higher then marraige failures between two native North Americans, how much higher is the question,,,In my circle of friends I see 4 out of 5 of these types(american to foreign women) marriages have failed,,,,Do you feel lucky,,,

On Sept 17, 2008: Senator John McCain said, as he had many times before, that he believed the fundamentals of the economy were "strong."Hours later he backpedaled, explaining that he had meant that American workers were Strong.

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Miguel_Clavo says on Dec 25, 2006, 16:33:

Interesting Information: www.usaimmigrationattorney.com/NewSite/MarriageLongevityRates.htm
(the statistical tables are located at this site as well)

MARRIAGE LONGEVITY RATES 2000-2005
FOR LATINA - AMERICAN "INTERNATIONAL ROMANCE" MARRIAGES©
July, 2005
(Revised)
GARY G. BALA



STUDY TENTATIVELY SUGGESTS THAT MARRIAGE AND RELATIONSHIP LONGEVITY RATES ARE HIGHER AND DIVORCE RATES ARE LOWER THAN FOR DOMESTIC MARRIAGES
("International Romance" Challenges Seem to Encourage Couples
to Move More Slowly and Deliberately in Decision-Making)


GENERAL COMMENTS: Our office recently completed a research study on many visa cases handled by us from Year 2000 to the present. The study results appear to tentatively suggest that marriage and relationship longevity rates for Latina-American "International Romance" marriages are numerically higher than what is usually seen in domestic marriages: marriage longevity rate 90%, relationship longevity over 75%. By implication, the study also suggests that divorce rates are correspondingly well lower than the often-cited domestic rate of 50%.
DISCLAIMER: This brief study is intended as a STARTING POINT ONLY for research and discussion. It is not a perfect study nor does is it based on an exhaustive database. For the raw data in support of the study, we used some but not all fiancee and spousal visa cases handled by our office for Latinas since 2000, including many DCF (Direct Consular Filing) cases in Colombia before July 2003 when the procedure effectively ceased for most U.S. citizens. We did not and could not include all such visas in our office, in part for privacy reasons, and in part because some clients moved, re-located, and otherwise lost contact. (For privacy and confidentiality reasons, we cannot disclose more than the name initials of anyone in the database.)

Further, we do not define (or even attempt to define, if even possible) what is a "successful" or "happy" marriage, one which some people describe as "working out". This is strictly subjective in our opinion and not subject to any reasonable quantifiable or qualitative measure. There are always a multitude of factors which affect what is a "successful" or "happy" marriage, such as personality attributes, age differences, compatability factors, communication skills, shared life values and marriage expectations, to name just a few. What we offer is simply some raw data which we openly admit is incomplete with a probably high margin of error.

Our survey consisted of a "yes or no" question ("Are you still married?") posed to many, not all, clients, and responses were submitted by those who chose to answer. We have no means or method by which to continuously track 169 marriages over 5 years to measure "levels of happiness", nor do we think that is even remotely possible.

But we think what we present here at least offers some opening opportunity to comment logically on marriage and relationship longevity rates in Latina-American marriages based on a numerical sample, however imperfect. And naturally, we challenge anyone to conduct and offer a "better" study based on more complete or reliable raw data, if available.

A FEW TENTATIVE CONCLUSIONS: Based on the incomplete raw data which is presently available to our office, the study results suggest:
1. Most of the marriages continue. Here are the numbers: 198 total cases in the raw database. Total Marriage dissolutions or divorces: 15 Broken down as follows: At One Year (or less):12. At Three years: 2. At Five Years: 1. Fiancee Visa Cases Where Couple Chose Not to Marry: 29. Of the 198 cases in the raw database, we subtract the 15 divorces plus 29 fiancee visa cases where the couple declined to marry which equals 44. The remaining cases where the couples have married and stayed together is: 154.

Thus, in the available database overall, there is: A. FOR RELATIONSHIP LONGEVITY, a ratio of 154/198 (198 is the total database of relationship cases) which means approximately 78% relationship longevity rate. B. FOR MARRIAGE LONGEVITY, a ratio of 154/169 (which is 198 relationship cases minus the 29 cases where couples chose not to marry under fiancee visa equals 169 marriage cases) which means approximately 90% marriage longevity rate.

DIVORCE RATE STATISTIC: As concerns the U.S. domestic divorce rate, the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) reports that domestically the "Divorce Rate" is 3.8 per 1,000 total population over the "Marriage Rate" of 7.5 per 1,000 total population (Data for U.S. 2003). See NCHS Report. (Economist's "World in 2005" reports that the U.S. divorce rate is the highest in the world at 4.7 per 1,000 total population.) This forms the usual basis for the often-cited statistic of at least 50% divorce rate nationally. In contrast, the Latina-American "raw numerical" divorce rate based on our admittedly limited database is significantly lower than 50%. 198 total cases less 29 cases with no marriage equals 169 marriage cases against only 15 divorces produces an astonishingly low divorce rate of barely 9%! While this number may be statistically "exaggerated" due to our imperfect database and many other reasons, all the evidence we have seen thus far suggests that Latina-American divorce rates are at least as good and most probably better than domestic divorce rates. One reason for this, as suggested below, might be that the challenges of long-distance relationships, inter-cultural differences, and visa waiting times encourage people to be more serious and to move slower and more deliberately and with greater commitment in their marriage decisions, which probably tends to put a downward pressure on divorce risk.


2. Most marriage dissolutions occur sooner rather than later. Marriage failures in Latina-American marriages, when they happen, tend to occur quickly rather than slowly, usually within the first 12 months or less. Of the 15 total divorces in the database, 13 of them occurred in the first 12 months or less. Further, it appears that those couples who remain together longer are less likely to divorce. There is only one divorce at the 5 year mark, and two at the 3 year mark.

3. The Fiancee Visa helps to reduce divorce. The 90 day Fiancee Visa courtship period effectively helps to reduce potential divorces because some couples simply choose to not marry at all. This visa encourages couples to be more serious about the relationship and potential marriage commitment and to consider their options more slowly and deliberately. Of the 198 total cases, there are 29 cases where people chose not to marry at all, which probably prevented what otherwise might have been some additional divorces. An additional observation is that most couples, about two-thirds, choose to do a fiancee visa over a spousal visa (Totals: Fiancee 145, Spousal 53).

4. The challenges of long-distance courtship, inter-cultural relationships and visa waiting times tend to generate higher commitment levels to marriage. An argument can be made that stress factors might be higher in Latina-American marriage due to language and cultural differences. But we think that these same differences, together with the physical distance involved in the courtship and waiting times for visa, actually help to encourage couples to move slower and more deliberately in their marriage decisons and be more committed to each other and their marriage pledge. Thus, this may account for some of the reason for the apparant higher marriage and relationship longevity rates.

Closest thing to a study i have seen. Its value is up to each reader!

Just my opinion...and brought to you by a kinder and gentler

Miguel_Clavo =).....Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Gomezman5 says on Dec 25, 2006, 17:31:

What happened to my post? Well, it is one of the few times that I did not say much at all, and the still my post disappeared. I must have found a way to incur the all-out wrath of Moderator Desi........lol. I surrender to the powers that be. Heck, she must really be lighting up now. Now you can tell your neighbor to turn off their lights too.


Anyway......I agreed with Mike....100%. I could not have put it better than he did.....

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goin_south says on Dec 25, 2006, 19:31:

Doesn't Gary Bala work for one of the Colombian Marriage Agencies? Or, this is 'his business? So, he might have stats that favor into his business. But, from all I have heard, I tend to agree with his study.
Why isn't a factor like 'cultural difference' to be considered as something positive? I don't believe 'SHOCK' is always the result of moving to another foreign country! The world is a melting pot. Why are you saying that is such a factor or reason for increasing the divorce rate of these types of marriages?
ON THE OTHER HAND,... it is many times, I think AN ADVENTURE AND TAKES THE BOREDOM out of life as it was, upon moving to a new culture. I don't buy into that comment. And, the couples that I know first-hand that are still very young in their marriage, a few here on PBH, and some that are acquaintances from elsewhere, are doing quite well in addressing the 'language differences'.

Given any one couple, the reasons you give for increased risk of failure might be all the more INCREASED REASONS FOR SUCCESS TO THAT COUPLE.

“ I would rather be a conservative nut job rather than a liberal with no nuts and no job.”

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Gomezman5 says on Dec 25, 2006, 20:15:

Hey Clavo.....are you on Gary Bala's payroll? Good job Galecito.

Hell, you almost had me thinking Clavo found something credible. BTW, you can save yourself a bit of embarassment, by doing exactly what I did....try a 15 second search on Google. This guy has zero credibility. This guy is an attorney that specializes in procuring engagement and marriage visas, and his web site is so tacky with flashy lights, and links to a bunch of marriage agencies, And you would suggest that this guy's statistics have any merit? That's OK Clavo.....no big deal. I'll remember this one next time you think I'm coming up with pie in the sky info. lol......this is funny.

http://www.garybala.com/

On the other hand,,,,,,had it not been for galecito, I didn't know what to think after that post. The guy list's a lot of statistics, but....does not name their source. Absent a credible source, the numbers are meaningless. Bala is just trying to make a buck, so he throws out numbers amd claims. Clavo...really, it sounded good, are you sure you did not know who this guy Bala was and you just thought you could pull one over on people? Come on....come on ....fess up

I'll stick with Miamimike's take on things. He has it right.

Oh well, I better chill......the eyes from Stockholm may be lurking nearby. Is that where she lives? If not, she will let me know.....Just keep the lights on that tree going.

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goin_south says on Dec 25, 2006, 20:28:

But, you know what I said earlier and that same idea you have eluded to, Gomezman5. WE ONLY HEAR IT from the failures MORE SO than from the successes, here on PBH. A few like strobers and famsearch and a few others report their positive experiences, being married to a Colombian, but mostly what gets fed the juice here on PBsH is the ridiculous ones (guys mostly) who suddenly come and ask these stupid questions about their problems of failures with their Colombian spouses.

I think Most of the Successful ones are too busy enjoying their relationship, to spend time posting on PBH. I know more than a handful, now after writing on here for about 19 months, and many become too absorbed in a rewarding relationship, and don't continue to put time in on PBH.

You will look forward to the day that my Colombiana arrives in the EEUU, so I ALSO ........LIKE MAGIC DUST........ WILL DISAPPEAR! lol

“ I would rather be a conservative nut job rather than a liberal with no nuts and no job.”

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Gomezman5 says on Dec 25, 2006, 20:45:

Yep ....you are right Galecito "WE ONLY HEAR IT from the failures MORE SO than from the successes, here on PBH. A few like strobers and famsearch and a few others report their positive experiences, being married to a Colombian, but mostly what gets fed the juice here on PBsH is the ridiculous ones (guys mostly) who suddenly come and ask these stupid questions about their problems of failures with their Colombian spouses.

I think Most of the Successful ones are too busy enjoying their relationship, to spend time posting on PBH."

Above quote: Galecito

Exactly my man. Actually we have quite a few regulars on here who appear to have happy marriages. Mario, and UC are the first that comes to mind. In fact, Mario is really happy. I'm sure there are many others.

On the other hand, those where the marriages have failed.....you think they are out here .....or anywhere taling about it? They go into hiding......embarassed and ashamed, not wanting the face all the people who gave him all the "I told you So-s" Hey, I feel sorry for these guys. The undeniable fact is this.....It costs a guy thousands of dollars to bring a girl here. There is no way around all that expense. And, it costs him thousands more to keep here here.....all in the hope that things work out. If you date the girl down the block, she is here....sure you have the cost of the dates, but that is peanuts in comparison to what it costs to bring a girl from Colombia. Phone calls, the money you send before hand...(they all do even if they say they don't) the several trips. The money embassy, to the lawyers, add up. I'm not even mentioning the energy both physical and mental that a person goes through in making sure that he is making the right decision, and that once he decides "it's a go" making sure everything goes right.....as smooth as possible....

It's OK for some, but not for me. To each his own

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goin_south says on Dec 25, 2006, 20:47:

Actually, I think you stated it the other way; that you only hear from the people who Won while in Vegas. So, yep. I am in disagreement. We only hear mostly from those crying who have lost. They are the ones that get the long attentive and battering replies. Just like the OP here. So, they are the ones we remember.

It's just like the news,... You rarely hear the HAPPY NEWS; it's always the TRAGEDY that gets attention. The others are too busy, as I said, being just that: HAPPY IN THEIR RELATIONSHIP.

Maybe somewhere, we can get some statistics that reflect more truth. I know you can prove or show about anything you want, with adjusting one thing and another in research. But, I happen to think that I have read enough OTHER THAN ON PBH, and talked to enough other (so far) successful couples, and that I don't believe that the statistics for remaining married to a Colombiana are far worse than those we have in the USA with gringo/gringas.

I don't have any resources available, (other than Bala???) but, I happen to think from my own acquaintances, it is likely about the same or maybe better.

Excuse me, to all those who think they might fit into the category, but I see/read alot of bimbo stuff with guys crying about their relationship problems with a Colombiana on PBH.

End
of
Story.

“ I would rather be a conservative nut job rather than a liberal with no nuts and no job.”

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goin_south says on Dec 25, 2006, 20:49:

If you date the girl down "If you date the girl down the block, she is here....sure you have the cost of the dates",.....IT CAN COST YOU THOUSANDS (By staying in it,) and TO GET OUT OF IT! Some of us know, by experience! jajaaaa.... Yes, I am lauging now... because I am so happy I am OUT! VICTORY.... DOES NOT COME CHEAP!

“ I would rather be a conservative nut job rather than a liberal with no nuts and no job.”

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goin_south says on Dec 25, 2006, 20:54:

G5 It's not about the money.

BUT,... I guess also, I am just FORTUNATE enough to believe that, based on her PAST PERFORMANCE in Colombia, I am connected with one (Colombiana) who I believe is going to come to the EEUU and make a small fortune for herself.

“ I would rather be a conservative nut job rather than a liberal with no nuts and no job.”

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Gomezman5 says on Dec 25, 2006, 21:05:

Galecito......good luck Just as long as she does not think that small fortune comes out of your pocket.

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Miguel_Clavo says on Dec 25, 2006, 22:03:

Yeah, G5, you are right...lawyers are pretty stupid.... did you just miss this part of my post??

"Closest thing to a study i have seen. Its value is up to each reader!"

yep, stupid lawyers indeed.......scum of the earth, some sayyyyy.....=)..oh, and btw, sometimes it is wiser to read the fine print, before posting......no charge for the first 30 minutes, counselor...

Just my opinion...and brought to you by a kinder and gentler

Miguel_Clavo =).....Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Miguel_Clavo says on Dec 25, 2006, 22:10:

BTW, i dont know Bala personally, but i would venture to guess that he would be a little more knowledgeable than, say some barrister in GasTown who handles petty matters, and who has little, if any, training and experience in the field of practice as Bala..and i didnt need to google it as i remembered that i had read something with some type of stats for the subject matter....hmmm, attacking his website instead of his article..sounds like what you constantly whine about....no?

.Just my opinion...and brought to you by a kinder and gentler

Miguel_Clavo =).....Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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goin_south says on Dec 25, 2006, 22:12:

"no charge for the first 30 minutes" ? Now, That is pretty scary. Almost as deceiving as the police cars 'advertising': TO PROTECT AND TO SERVE. Serve what? warrants? subpoenas? summons?

You can bet he'll make up for it in the second thirty minutes. and, forever more.

“ I would rather be a conservative nut job rather than a liberal with no nuts and no job.”

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Miguel_Clavo says on Dec 25, 2006, 22:13:

i guess you dont read english too well, because you missed this as well, G5........

"DISCLAIMER: This brief study is intended as a STARTING POINT ONLY for research and discussion."

damn laywerspeak, no one can understand that stuff, even other "highly educated" lawyers!

Just my opinion...and brought to you by a kinder and gentler

Miguel_Clavo =).....Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Miguel_Clavo says on Dec 25, 2006, 22:18:

you forgot to add the rest G!


Just my opinion...and brought to you by a kinder and gentler

Miguel_Clavo =).....Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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goin_south says on Dec 25, 2006, 22:26:

on the other hand for both you guys: some people on another current thread seem to maybe have some good things to say about Gary Bala and his services. So, who knows? Unless you talk to those you trust, who would make or deny a referral?

“ I would rather be a conservative nut job rather than a liberal with no nuts and no job.”

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Miguel_Clavo says on Dec 25, 2006, 22:31:

I know alot of agencies refer clients to him...a few people i know have used his services.....but the post was typical, bashing another lawyer with almost no meaningful info is par for the poster.....i know that he started the anti-IMBRA petition...

Just my opinion...and brought to you by a kinder and gentler

Miguel_Clavo =).....Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Miguel_Clavo says on Dec 25, 2006, 22:36:

Famous quotes.. "BTW, you can save yourself a bit of embarassment, by doing exactly what I did....try a 15 second search on Google. This guy has zero credibility. This guy is an attorney that specializes in procuring engagement and marriage visas, and his web site is so tacky with flashy lights, and links to a bunch of marriage agencies, And you would suggest that this guy's statistics have any merit? That's OK Clavo.....no big deal. I'll remember this one next time you think I'm coming up with pie in the sky info. lol......this is funny. " G5

hmm, so after 15 seconds of research you came to the "conclusion" that he has no credibility?? or are you just simply unaware that competent lawyers can exist?? and what do flashing lights have to do with merit?? yes, indeed, you do actually come up with pie in the sky info...especially when you run around like chicken little screaming the sky is falling when talking about Colombian security....lol

Just my opinion...and brought to you by a kinder and gentler

Miguel_Clavo =).....Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 25, 2006, 23:04:

Gomezman, methinks that you misplaced your post all by yourself. "The eyes in Stockholm" were closed by that time.

Cheers,
Desi

«Sé que los seres humanos y los peces podrán coexistir en paz». ( George W. Bush, Saginaw 29-09-00)

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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goin_south says on Dec 25, 2006, 23:16:

What she means, G5, is that by then... she was COUNTING REINDEER;
y, no mas encuenta los ninos de PBH... jjeje

'tengo NO MAS COMPASION por el loro'

“ I would rather be a conservative nut job rather than a liberal with no nuts and no job.”

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goin_south says on Dec 25, 2006, 23:39:

I would try to avoid having to hire the son of a gun, but I tend to agree with what he - Gary Bala - says about the stronger bonds of latina/gringo marriages.

'tengo NO MAS COMPASION por el loro'

“ I would rather be a conservative nut job rather than a liberal with no nuts and no job.”

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goin_south says on Dec 25, 2006, 23:42:

elgrin... I hope you are going to 'stay tuned' and report back to us, how this relationship goes/turns out. So we can all put it in our data bong and smoke it.

“ I would rather be a conservative nut job rather than a liberal with no nuts and no job.”

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arthur brode says on Dec 26, 2006, 00:44:

thanks for the sensible advice DG!! I will put it to practice and let you know the results.

http://www.calirentals.net/

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arthur brode says on Dec 26, 2006, 00:54:

Anyone care for some Aguardiente Blanco Del Valle? I was told that sin azucar= 0 hang over.

http://www.calirentals.net/

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arthur brode says on Dec 26, 2006, 00:59:

Aguardiente Blanco Del Valle from behind

http://www.calirentals.net/

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robi666 says on Dec 26, 2006, 04:15:

Face is also important, Arthur... :-)

Better to burn out than to fade away.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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JMCana says on Dec 26, 2006, 06:42:

Lady & Gentleman She sounds like more of a lady than many of you sound like a gentlemen. As for you American men, try and always be a gentleman. You will get a better lady for your actions. Enough of the other type of American men have given a bad name to Americans in Colombia.

If all you want are easy quick and multiple lays, then go to Venezuela, Chavez already hates Americans. And you will not end up singing with a higher voice in case you accidentally run into my step-daughter and try your moves.

Have sharp knife will travel.

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robi666 says on Dec 26, 2006, 07:00:

Big mistake JM, mentioning your step daughter on this forum... expecially if she's in her LOW teen age, you know, a big Ogre is on hunting on PBH... and he can kill with his bare hands.
Better to burn out than to fade away.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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Gomezman5 says on Dec 26, 2006, 08:11:

Clavo If you just would have said...."Yep, I screwed up" you would have come off much better.

IT IS NOT A STARTING POINT. It is a nothing. A starting point would have been no information at all.

I would venture to say that you don't begin researching an area to find answers, by including information that has NO inherent reliability. In fact, anything that would have merely rolled off your finger tips would have been more reliable than what Bala had to say. Just go to the home page of his tacky web site. Did you even bother to look at it? It's is nothing more than propaganda for his own self (financial) interests. It is utterly worthless for the purpose of showing how successful or unsuccessful foreign marriages are.

In fact Clavo, if you really thought it was a starting point, at least, given who this guy is, and what interests he had in promoting these worthless assertions, you should have mentioned it or acknowledged that fact. But you did not. You clearly tried to pass it off as something credible to rebut Miamimike's and my assertion that mail order brides have a higher failure rate than situations where you marry someone from your own country.

So go put some more twist on things.....You screwed up on this one buddy.

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Miguel_Clavo says on Dec 26, 2006, 09:17:

Hardly a screw up..someone had mentioned seeing no stats, and i remembered reading some. So i threw them up there for discussion purposes, not to refute anyones post. Hint: that is why i wrote that the value of these stats needs to be determined by each individual reader....to make it simpler so that you can understand it: if after reading them, you place no value on them, then they have no value; on the other hand, if you place value on them, then they have value....i know its not too complex an idea for most.

i believe that Bala was just putting out for discussion what has been the experience of his office only, since that is what he does for a living. More than half of his article was his disclaimers, and his attempt to make the reader understand that it was not a scientifically conducted survey. Surely, you read and understood his statements, but it appears that you did not.

Yes, G5, a starting point is whatever G5 defines is as....remember, book smart, but common sense *deleted*.....sort of like cant see the forest for the trees....

the tackiness of his website has nothing to do with how professional or competent he is....and no shit, sherlock, ya think that websites are not designed for a persons or companies financial interest??? and you play connect-a-dots with a persons website and his statement regarding the experience of his law office in pointing out foreign-domestic marriage results? if that was the case, nothing you would say is credible due to your internet posts......but i am sure that sometimes you have something constructive to add to conversations...

I should have mentioned it? lawyer gobbledegook.....the real lawyer Bala did an outstanding job of mentioning all the disclaimers...and dont be so lazy, G5, i put his website address up there for all to see, do your own homework..what? no legal assistant to do your work here for you so that you look good???

interesting...you claim statistics and conclusions based on what, G5? your vast experience in immigration law? doubtful, and probably non-existent. or did you pull them out of the pie in the sky which is your normal M.O.????

once again, please sit and not speak, G5! ;)

Just my opinion...and brought to you by a kinder and gentler

Miguel_Clavo =).....Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Gomezman5 says on Dec 26, 2006, 10:20:

Oh yea "Hardly a screw up..someone had mentioned seeing no stats"

Oh I see, because you agreed that there were no stats regarding the issue, you had to find some. And of course, it did not matter if there was any credibility to the stats did it?

By the way, since you seemed to find that Bala did an outstanding job by veiling his nonsense with "disclaimers." Why didn't you bother to mention or post those disclaimers that? You didn't. You tried to pass them off as reliable information......(without any disclaimers).Clavo, if I ever had to go up against you at trial, I'd have the jury eating out of mind............coming back with a verdict in my favor in less than 5 minutes.

One more thing.....I never made any stats or projections and tried to pass them off as anything other than my own personal observations. You never once....not once,,,,,anywhere on this site saw me pass myself off as an immigration attorney.

Point made

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Miguel_Clavo says on Dec 26, 2006, 10:34:

rrriiggghhhhtttt...they would be laughing at incompetence and the internet is hardly a courtroom, barrister....here you need to earn the respect of the other PBHers, as it is not given away freely or assumed as in a court of law....and the internet provides a level playing field, so your occupation is just that, "just another occupation"...but i am sure you realize that already??? the opinion of the hamburger flipper carries equal weight as the barrister on the internet...jajajaj.....you still cant understand the phrase ""Closest thing to a study i have seen. Its value is up to each reader!" yet huh? maybe you can get your legal assistant, a client, or law partner to explain it to you....someone with a higher level of comprehension, maybe?

nonsense with disclaimers?? isnt that the essence of being a lawyer? being able to cloud the real issues??? you are an expert at that....

5 minutes, huh? you flatter yourself, since no one else here does....

really, this is WAY too easy...like taking candy from a child, G5....

sit and take your medicine, please.............

Just my opinion...and brought to you by a kinder and gentler

Miguel_Clavo =).....Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Crazy4Cali says on Dec 26, 2006, 10:43:

RE: Communication.... RE: "6 of 10 marriages here in the USA between two Americans(born here and who speak perfect english) Fail..."

Communication skills require more than language comprehension. Sometimes speaking the same language just makes it more difficult because you think you know what they are saying whan all you understand are the words.

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elgrin says on Dec 26, 2006, 10:55:

what happened 86 replies, I wasn´t expecting that. Thanks to everybody, especially Crazy4Cali, utopiacowboy, morphus... you guys are great for straight talking.

Anyway what happened was that I set the girl a riddle. If she solves it she calls me. I won't be calling her. At the moment, my attention is monopolized by other women anyway.

- elgrin

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goin_south says on Dec 26, 2006, 12:13:

Crazy4Cali... You're on to something there.

Gomezman and M_C. the gentler and kinder one? Read up; it's short, but sweet.

'tengo NO MAS COMPASION por el loro'

“ I would rather be a conservative nut job rather than a liberal with no nuts and no job.”

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goin_south says on Dec 26, 2006, 12:16:

come on, elgrin.... post the riddle; this has got to be interesting. No, not now. Post it, after and if she solves it. Give her a time limit. If she hasn't got it within 2 weeks,...

“ I would rather be a conservative nut job rather than a liberal with no nuts and no job.”

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utopiacowboy says on Dec 26, 2006, 12:41:

How many times do I have to tell you, G5, to stop making sense? If PBSH were a newspaper it would only be fit for your parrot to read on the bottom of his cage.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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Gomezman5 says on Dec 26, 2006, 17:19:

UC Yor're right UC. And Clavo would be the editor of this respected publication. My parrot would no doubt subscribe.

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morphus says on Dec 26, 2006, 18:24:

Colombiana psychology - help

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Miguel_Clavo says on Dec 26, 2006, 19:19:

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SHAPE UP OR SHIP OUT, CLAVO

Just my opinion...and brought to you by a kinder and gentler

Miguel_Clavo =).....Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Miguel_Clavo says on Dec 26, 2006, 19:24:

Just my opinion...and brought to you by a kinder and gentler

Miguel_Clavo =).....Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Blondie says on Dec 26, 2006, 19:28:

I say... I want to know what the riddle is... :)

Maybe... you could ... uh.... just ASK her how she feels instead of trying to guess and have a bunch of people on a forum that dont know her try to guess. Might be easier!

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Gomezman5 says on Dec 26, 2006, 21:22:

Clavo......... RE your following comment:

" bitchslapping works, huh?? hahahaha..."

You sure the heck better hope Desi does not catch that one.

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Miguel_Clavo says on Dec 26, 2006, 23:24:

How egocentric you are, G5...you think everything is about you?? BTW...WAH WAH WAH....go complain on that too! some people can talk shit, but cry if they get it back??? does profanity offend you? i have seen much worse on here than bitchslapping....much worse....but here is a clue for you: it was meant for some of the posts on page 1 of this thread...but it the shoe fits......dance the night awayyyy!

Just my opinion...and brought to you by a kinder and gentler

Miguel_Clavo =).....Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Miguel_Clavo says on Dec 26, 2006, 23:41:

anyway. G5..this is getting boring, so i am going to give it a.. a rest after this post so you can have the last word.......Happy New Year! BTW,,,i wasnt even going to participate on this thread until i read that someone pointed out there were no stats on the topic, so i remembered that i had read some on Balas website. Bala is a well-known immigration attorney with a website that looks like a peep show website..I put them in the thread in case someone wanted to read what he had to say.....you will notice that i DID NOT offer a position on the debate at all, either opposed or in agreement with yours or mikes, and even told people to take it with a grain of salt since it was not a scientific survey....but then you decided to attack me for posting it to support some postion in opposition to yours....not true...i never offered my position on the topic, but you chose to "read my mind", telling me what my intentions were, and attack me anyway...next time, dont bite off more than you can chew..or at least, dont fire the first round...especially if you cant hit the target...=)

Just my opinion...and brought to you by a kinder and gentler

Miguel_Clavo =).....Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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