Colombian will buy 1,600 McDonald's of Latin America by 700 million dollars

kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 21, 2007, 01:58:

sorry the link is this one


http://www.eltiempo.com/economia/2007-04-21/ARTICULO-WEB-NOTA_INTERIOR-3522265.html

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kalder says on Apr 21, 2007, 02:21:

McD's is in decline in London. Two in my neighbourhood have closed in the past couple of years. I gather it's a citywide phenomenon.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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Cerealkiller says on Apr 21, 2007, 02:40:

I dont know where El Tiempo gets this stuff from, honestly. Woods Staton isnt Colombian, he is married to a colombian woman but nothing to do with Medellin...They have never even lived in Colombia, what a load of BS.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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scotty says on Apr 21, 2007, 03:13:

because Colombians know crap food when they see it. When im in Colombia i dont go near a Mc-D's If i do want a hamburger i get a really good one at El Corral.

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kalder says on Apr 21, 2007, 03:52:

El Corral!Oh yes, that El Corral!

Oh yes, that spells B.U.R.G.E.R.!!!

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webmanco says on Apr 21, 2007, 04:43:

much future I don´t really care where this guy is from I won´t step in any Macdonalds, with such a name I only will enter if they start selling good Latin american food, and healthy food for that matter.


I don´t see much future on the fast food restaurant chain.
El Corral only for shakes.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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panthdave says on Apr 21, 2007, 05:53:

Went once ot the McDonalds Oviedo Medellin Was packed...and walking by only Saturday and Sunday Mcdonalds was packed during the week El Corral was packed but McDonalds is cheaper than El Corral.. El Corral smokes McDonalds..but alittle more expensive..which I prefer..The profit margin I would assume is not good because maybe the items are imported. They need to start serving Arepas and Chorizo...I do say though I cook more in my apartment and prefer that when I am in Medellin..with the exception of the 4AM Munchies from Drinking at Marios in Parque Llares..and even that usually my GF makes papa fritas when we get home from a night of drinking. MY GF prefers to cook and have a nice salad..She is not into fast food but Americans work and fast paced life is perfect for the fast food environment..but I even feel much better eating a home cooked meal from GF..

Lets take Istanbul I went to McDonalds and was packed on the Europe side of the river and was packed but also it was 24 hours but noticed on the menu they served local dishes too..I did not see that in the McDonalds in Poblado medellin..No local dishes.
And again on the profit margin has to be the imported food cannot be the labor..whats killing the GP...Damn if I was separate McDonalds owner after paying the fucking crazy franchisee fee I would need to see Crazy Profits and would make changes to get food locally..

Anyways McDonalds does not deserve this much writing..

Peace Out..



panthdave Miami

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morphus says on Apr 21, 2007, 05:58:

"McDonalds does not deserve..." Why not? Mcdonald's is the most successful restaurant in history.

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aztec says on Apr 21, 2007, 06:00:

Wouldn't eat at a McDonald's in Colombia either... ...but I have never been by one in Bogota that was not full.

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morphus says on Apr 21, 2007, 06:08:

Mcdonald's in Colombia can be more expensive than the local food. In Medellin, I can get a plate of bandeja for 3000-5000 pesos. A decent size meal at Mcdonald's can run you about 10,000 pesos. The bandeja will be more healthy with less fat but more protien/carbs.

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chester says on Apr 21, 2007, 07:15:

sent the kids up the street I sent the kids up the street for hamburgers from the local corner joint in Cali.

they came back with burgers that certainly put McD's to shame.

about 2 bucks per burger with a side of fries.

I told them I was such a tacano, I had never had a 2 dollar burger in my life.

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JMCana says on Apr 21, 2007, 08:40:

I avoid if possible Personal opinions
I have gotten worse hambugers in Colombian than what is served at McDonalds, but I have received much much more that are significantly better tasting. Not to mention that I have gotten very good choices pieces of meat cooked on a wood fire for much less than the cost of a hamburger at a Colombian McDonalds.

The worst cup of coffee I have ever gotten in Colombia came from McDonalds.

Yes, McDonalds is a very successful restaurant chain. Their reasons are varied and in the USA, they served a specific need as well as marketed themselves very well especially to a society that wanted food fast and known. But fortunately the majority of Colombians still have taste.

Yes, many of the McDonalds are busy here in Bogota, especially on weekends. But, for many it is unique and a specialty to go there or they have bought into the advertising. However being busy does not necessarily equate to profit. But those who know good food and are not into the bandwagon advertising (as most Americans are as has been shown by research) then they avoid Mickey D's in Colombia.

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Buongone says on Apr 21, 2007, 09:09:

McDonalds in Cali/CTG I thought they shut down the McDonalds in Cali? In Cartagena, the place is packed. Just recently a good friend of mine used to go eat at McDonalds all the time. He died suddenly of a heart attack. Did anyone see the special on TV awhile back. Some dude lived off of Their chit/food for a month. After the month was up, you should of seen this dude. He too was ready for the graveyard. That should tell everybody something about unhealthy food. Lots of cholestrol. When in Cartagena my novia called her cousins in Cali, before we returned. She asked what they wanted from CTG. They said something you cannot get in Cali. So we had to go to McDonalds before we left. The cousins loved them. I myself will take Corral over Big Mac anytime. In Bogota they have a place halfway up the hill. Above the old prison thats now a museum. It's on the street that has about 6 restaurants side by side. Forgot the name. But they have a awesome burger.

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morphus says on Apr 21, 2007, 09:24:

I knew a guy that was a vegetarian for 30 years. He gave it up and started eating a lot of Mcdonald's. He died of a heart attack 4 years after he started eating junk food again. It could have been a coincidence though.
My grandmother eats Mcdonald's once and a while. She smokes too. She's 96 years old :)

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miamimike says on Apr 21, 2007, 09:29:

McDonald's has Good Salads and has improved their Menu in the recent past. Soon they are changing their Fryer Oil to another without transfats so that is good. They have also upgraded their Coffee to a premium offering. In a Blind Taste test on GMA a few weeks ago, the GMA Staff actually chose the McDonald's Coffee over some of the Premium brands like Seattle, Starbucks. I agree with most of what is said about the Menu, loaded with Fat ect. There are a few healthy items like the Salads, Yogurt Sundaes for a Buck ect(usa price). Surprised no one mentioned that little boy who died a few years ago after he was bitten by that Viper Snake in the Play Bin at a McDonaald's located off the Autopisto Norte. Bet Kat remembers that one,,,That was definetly not a healthy menu item,,,

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 21, 2007, 10:57:

i read the news miamimike, about MC donalds I rather have a carne asada en un of the asaderos with salty poatatoes, yuca, picante and a good colombiana :))

BTW the best hamburguers i have try in Bogota are in a place in the center of bogota, las famosas hamburguesas de pescado.

places like El corral, presto, Mc Donalds, hard rock cafe they are all too expensive for the average colombian family.

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Miguel_Clavo says on Apr 21, 2007, 11:31:

Sorry, i dont eat at McDonalds, but the idea in a democratic society is for people to have *choices* in their food as well as in life....for example, being "meskin" and having my fill of mexican food all the time, i would really enjoy the *choice* of eating, maybe Italian tonight, maybe Chinese tommorrow, etc.....The solution is really easy, just dont eat at restaurants or the type of food you dont like....i would really hate it if my only option was frijoles, tortillas, rice, and menudo ALL the time!.....

but i have to admit, the steakburgers and the BBQ sauce at El Corral in Cable are to die for! jajajja....and of course, mom, if you are reading this, your cooking is the bomb, too! jajajajaj...

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo =)..aka, DragonSlayer...Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Miguel_Clavo says on Apr 21, 2007, 11:37:

Go to a McDonalds in Russia some time and all you will see parked out in front are highend Mercedes and US Muscle Carss, indicating people with $$$ (sorry,dont know the symbol for rubles)...i think the recipe for a russian beef patty is 50% beef and 50% salt.....gawd, they were nasty.....i guess russians love their salt....yuch....but, you could order shots of vodka at the McD's there though,,,,even available for breakfast!! jajajaj....


Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo =)..aka, DragonSlayer...Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Buongone says on Apr 21, 2007, 13:32:

Hamburguesas de Marquesa That's the name of the restaurant in Bogota. Up the hill from the Old Prison, now a museum, I believe. Tasty Chow !! Outdoors !!

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billyb says on Apr 21, 2007, 14:31:

Buengone, they did shut down MikeyDs... in Cali.. some dispute between corp and franchisee.

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Man Tequila says on Apr 21, 2007, 19:56:

McDonalds' sales continue to climb. When I have been in Colombia, they're always busy. In any other country, too, despite films like "Super Size Me" or books like "Fast Food Nation". Plenty of places offer tastier food. Other snacks are cheaper in Colombia. Despite this, I think McDonald's will grow more successful. I'm a good cook, but I eat at McDonald's myself once or twice a week. 1600 McDs for $700m is a steal.

You can talk about how bland and unhealthy the food is. I know lots of folks who never eat there. It's a far cry from El Corral, a good homemade burger, or even most other burger restaurants. Why is it popular?

McDonald's is convenient, quick and clean. They target their advertising at kids -- and many parents would rather please their kids than themselves. Kids go nuts over the cheap toy giveaways. The food is okay, a few items are delicious (great french fries, tasty salads and desserts, some of the breakfast sandwiches). Some of the food is even healthy, though few people probably choose these things. Much of their increase in sales is due to breakfast; what does an egg cost a restaurant? Our local McDs always have the daily papers, free drink refills, friendly service, quick drive through. The company is also good at adapting to local tastes, health trends, and really has increased their quality (and their prices) over the last few years.

Colombians, by and large, don't make healthy food choices (like most other Western nations). People LIKE to eat salt, sugar and fat. Being kid friendly is a big plus. Prices are high, but hardly outrageous -- many can easily afford it. And it may make a nice change from traditional snacks.

I have mixed feelings about McDs -- you could argue about the company's paranoia, the morality of brainwashing kids, their alleged exploitation of teenagers and minorities, how they influence food handling and production. Many of the folks in this thread have already said they don't eat there. But lots of folks do, and part of the reason is McDonald's is good at giving people what they want. It is foolish to pretend otherwise.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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Mononoke28 says on Apr 21, 2007, 23:02:

I don't eat... ... at McDonald's unless it's the only place I see it's open. And like Buongone said, the McDonald's in Cali were shut down last year because of poor sales, so what gives?

I would never spend the amount of money a hamburguer costs at McDonald's when I can go to Frisby or Hamburguesas del Oeste and get something tastier.

And miamimike... the salads at McDonald's are GROSS, I've had all 3 of them and they were nas-ty =X

Diana

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Man Tequila says on Apr 22, 2007, 09:11:

I've never gone to McDonald's in Colombia -- I have been to Corral a couple times. I try to eat local foods when visiting another country.

McDonald's does differ from country to country. In the States, the salads and food is worse than in Canada (which still uses the unhealthy fat to make fries, but they do taste much better. I don't eat fries much myself, though). I like their (Paul Newman) Thai Sesame dressing, though. It really is good.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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Cerealkiller says on Apr 22, 2007, 10:44:

I hate McD's food, it looks bad, cant stand the smell as I am convinced that just that action might make me gain weight, their fries are like fat sponges...I have been to McD's several times though, when im drunk and reeeeeally need to use the loo.

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Monpirri says on Apr 22, 2007, 11:53:

Mantequilla Colombians eat pretty healthy, even though they have fritangas kiosks almost everywhere but they do not eat fritangas every day.
Colombians who cannot afford to eat all three or four main food components they still eat HEALTHY.
You do not see statistics reporting Colombians die frequently because of they follow a Colombian diet or food. Most of the deaths are because of auto wrecks and war conflicts and stuff like that. They do not die because they eat fritangas every day or because they eat chicharron con yuca 7/24/365.

Their daily lunch or dinner is made up of four categories; vegetables/salads, grains, fruits, meats and soups. I am pretty sure you are aware of their basic food intake since you have traveled all over Colombia and you have tried at least twenty of the dishes I asked you to identify.

Beauty through the eyes of a beholder:

McDonalds' sales continue to climb. When I have been in Colombia, they're always busy. In any other country, too, despite films like "Super Size Me" or books like "Fast Food Nation". Plenty of places offer tastier food. Other snacks are cheaper in Colombia. Despite this, I think McDonald's will grow more successful. I'm a good cook, but I eat at McDonald's myself once or twice a week. 1600 McDs for $700m is a steal.

You are what you eat:
Colombians, by and large, don't make healthy food choices (like most other Western nations
I've never gone to McDonald's in Colombia -- I have been to Corral a couple times. I try to eat local foods when visiting another country.

Mantequilla, is UTC your brother? You sure sound a lot like him.

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Man Tequila says on Apr 22, 2007, 12:25:

I kind of figured monpirri1 would pipe in and he said basically what I thought he'd say.

Many Colombians do eat healthy, many Colombians also eat a lot of fried foods that are less healthy. I could copy a list of all of the foods available at American restaurants off the Internet, too. This does not chage the fact that most folks eat only a small number of foods in an average week.

I eat at McDonald's because I am sometimes pressed for time and can get a meal, far from the best one, fairly quickly. I don't think McDonald's food is particularly good. I don't think the company is evil, either. It is successful since it does fill a need.

I am honored you think I sound like UTC. His philosophy and intellectual contributions to this board at least manage to entertain. There is nothing wrong with eating spicy food, or not. It is foolish to make a personal decision a point of national pride, just as it is sily to pretend you like spicy foods or sauces to impress a bunch of strangers when you don't.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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Monpirri says on Apr 22, 2007, 13:21:

I know where are you coming from Colombians do eat fritangas or as you said it fried foods but they do not eat them at all the times, otherwise you will encounter the statistics that are evident in other countries. I have already told you what they eat! They are pretty healthy, just go back to all those places that you have visited in Colombia and reevaluate your findings, doc?
I am glad that you feel honored or feel a clone to Utiocowboy's philosophies and intellectual capacity.
It’s not a matter of national pride is a matter of knowledge over ignorance.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 22, 2007, 14:18:

I don't Colombian people I don't think Colombian people don't go to Mc Donald because of the unhealthy food, i think is because first it's expensive, second because we have this image that everything made in MC donald makes you fat even looking at the sign,knowing that any kind of food can have the same effect if you eat it in excess.

Although i do believe Colombians put more healthy options in their diary menus, I would said we don't eat healthy, as I said many times before, we tend to put 3 types of carbohydrates in one meal which is not healthy at all, example apart from the soup that contains maybe 2 types of potatoes, yuca and platano, we serve you rice, usually the vegetable are mix with the soup. or what about in some houses they serve spagueties with rice and an slide of toast, that is all carbohydrates which can put you on weight and be bad for your heart. we tend not to eat vegetables on its own always mix with something. and I have seen in many friend's houses that they don't make juices they rather buy the postobon or coca cola.

Although La bandeja Paisa contains healthy food i would said is not a well balance meal, actually it's bad if your cholesterol is high, because of the egg the chicharron and the fry platano.

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expatriate says on Apr 22, 2007, 16:53:

Except for The Corral, which is WAY overpriced, (I mean double what it should be), it's tough to find a decent burger in Cali. Usually the bread is awful, which is most of the taste of a burger, and it usually has way too much mayo also.

Try an Italian joint across Avenida Sexta from the Oasis drive-in, which, by the way, has decent burgers itself.

At the Italian place, order the burger with everything, but tell them to cook the bacon until crisp. I don't like nearly raw bacon on my burger.

I haven't actually seen the Italian man myself for several months, and the new employees only give excuses, so he may or may not be alive or kidnapped.

There was a place called "El Sherrif" on Pasoancho Avenida just north of La Catoroce, open only at night, which had perfect burgers, but we moved away from the area, and they don't seem to exist anymore when we drive by, or maybe they might have moved.

If you know of a good, decent priced burger in Cali, let me know.

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Monpirri says on Apr 22, 2007, 17:16:

Healthy food: yuca, papa, ñame, arracacha, platano... Colombians have been eating yuca, potatoes, platano, and rice all at the same time for centuries and some times they add more when they have soncocho, just count how many of those ingredients they throw in a sancocho. Or how about carne asada or other type of meat with yuca, papa, platano and rice over a plantain leaf near some river.
The carbohydrates theory was developed in Western countries for a different culture, one that consumes lots of saturated fat or eats lots processed food with a high content of preservatives.
All the Colombians I know eat vegetables and plenty of it and they drink fruit juices at all the times since they have plenty of fruits over there!

Of course, there are some, that prefer coke to natural juices and they mix spaghetti with bread, which it’s ok, but since they are so used to eating rice, they throw rice on the same plate. This abnormal mix from the Western point of view does not make Colombians unhealthy.
Bandeja paisa, rice and beans is a typical healthy food, however chorizo, chirrarron and and eggs on the same plate could have a high content of calories but it’s just like eating a Big Whopper with cheese and bacon.Do not want to gain weight do not eat bandeja paisa then again Colombians do not eat bandeja paisa every day.
In summary, Colombians do eat healthy except for bandeja paisa.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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miamimike says on Apr 22, 2007, 17:30:

Mononoke, while you yourself may not like McDonald's Salads, many others do,,,and we can always choose to "Walk on By" as the song goes. As it is pointed out in the USA Today, seems the Premium Salads are gaining traction amongst female customers as well as others. Many times, here in Miami, if I go to order one of their Premium Grilled Salads after 7-8pm, good chance they are "Sold Out" so that is telling as to how people perceive the offering. McDonald's also goes on to say that one major Reason they are bailing on South America are too many problems with Currency swings ect(seems the downsides outweigh the upsides) so other factors are at play other then Taste. My Ladyfriend(bogota) is here in Miami presently, her Young Daughter can't stay away from the French Fries(supersize please) and she tells me its the same story in Bogota with her school friends, evidently they are popular with many others.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/advertising/adtrack/2003-06-15-mcdonalds_x.htm


Monpirril-I would take issue with your statement other then BP meals all Colombians eat healthy. Most I see still use load foods with Sugar, salty or sweet condiments. Instead of Diet Soda they prefer real Sugar Soda, instead of a healthy substitute, they prefer high Cholesterol Butter, snacks are those Crisp deep fried interior Body parts belonging to cattle; How are these healthy??? I agree the fresh fruit Batidos are great but more then a BP meal are unhealthy in a Colombian's diet!

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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miamimike says on Apr 22, 2007, 17:59:

Chicago Sun Times on McDonald Bail out of SA http://www.suntimes.com/business/351628,CST-FIN-mac21.article

"Latin America is an attractive young population, but the last 10 years have seen large shifts in currency valuations that can affect the purchasing power of the middle class the golden arches targets."

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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Man Tequila says on Apr 22, 2007, 18:14:

Playing the devil's advocate, some big recent studies suggest eating lots of fruit and vegetables, lots of fibre and a low fat diet do NOT reduce the risks of heart attack, stroke, colon cancer and invasive breast cancer.

For example, a recent clinical trial of 48,800 women.

http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/295/6/655

Conclusions Over a mean of 8.1 years, a dietary intervention that reduced total fat intake and increased intakes of vegetables, fruits, and grains did not significantly reduce the risk of CHD, stroke, or CVD in postmenopausal women and achieved only modest effects on CVD risk factors, suggesting that more focused diet and lifestyle interventions may be needed to improve risk factors and reduce CVD risk.

You might consider yourself slightly less ignorant. ;)

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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Mononoke28 says on Apr 22, 2007, 21:15:

Colombians... ... do not know what a balanced meal is, well for the most part. Monpirri1 said "Their daily lunch or dinner is made up of four categories; vegetables/salads, grains, fruits, meats and soups." Uhmm... not really, at least not in my family or most people I've been around with. And yes, every meal is like carbohydrate carnival, potatoes, yucas, plantains, rice, arepa, corn, geez it just never stops. And as far as salads go, they will probably slice up some cabbage with carrots, add a bit of vinegar and voilá... that's your salad.

Diana

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Monpirri says on Apr 22, 2007, 21:37:

All those carbs are good We have been eating that type of food for centuries and you do not see Colombians also been labeled by the Western cultures as a country of overweight people or a country undergoing the worst health problems because the eat corn, potatoes, yuca, rice, etc....
Of course, eventually they will be labeled the worst country in South America as soon as Colombians start eating all the junk food that some want to import!

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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jinksmiester says on Apr 22, 2007, 22:23:

Don,t eat mcdonalds when im in Canada or the U.S.,and i certainly don,t eat it in Colombia.I think a lot of there success has resulted from advertizing to a target market (childen). Its easy to brainwash children.They may be trying to change there image and add some healthy food to there menu but i think they have a long way to go .
I heard somewhere that a hamburger at mcdonadls can contain meat from as manny as 1000 different cattle.Don,t know if thats true or not but if it is yukkkk!
No reason not to eat heathier in Colombia and for the most part i believe the vast majority of people do eat healthier than north americans.Every where you go there is fresh vegtables and fruit ,juices and coco frio bieng sold...thats gotta be better for you than a greasy burger,its certainly cheaper as well.
As for myself,i think the fruits and vegtables available here are fantastic and im always finding something ive never had before. I Think colombia is set in there culture and traditional foods that go back a long time.Thats also probably one of the reasons they don,t do as well as in the west.Regardless...Colombia is better off without mcdonalds ...we probably all are.

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webmanco says on Apr 22, 2007, 22:31:

brainwash Parents For MacD t is easy to brainwash children, and for children it is easy to brainwash Parents. :-)

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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utopiacowboy says on Apr 22, 2007, 22:32:

I've never eaten at a Micky D's in Colombia. I've seen one in Medellin many times but I couldn't tell you where it is. Actually I've never eaten a hamburger in Colombia and I never will. I think they're clueless where beef is concerned so I stick to their strong points, the fresh fruit juices, the whole fresh fruit and the soups.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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webmanco says on Apr 23, 2007, 22:19:

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...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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utopiacowboy says on Apr 23, 2007, 22:24:

I bet that beef came from some god-forsaken Zebus, a breed of cattle which originated in INDIA so what does that tell you? Yep, real bunch of beef eaters there.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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Robert Jorge says on Apr 23, 2007, 23:33:

Webmanco, is that carne' de llano? I has to be similar. That is perhaps my favorite food, along with hand caught lobsters off the coast here in NW Florida.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Apr 24, 2007, 01:19:

Ternera a la llanera a.k.a. ternura a la llanura.

Sorry, monpirri, I don't share your opinion about the healthiness of Colombian eating habits. Yes, there's an abundance of healthy foodstuffs in Colombia but your average Colombian still does not eat healthy. Too much fat and especially, way too much sugar!
The bqandeja paisa is a delicious calorie bomb of over 2000 calories on one and same plate. One of those keeps a grown man well fed for dawn to dusk. One of those a day is all food you need, but it's a bomb that kills.

So, Colombians die of traffic accidents, acute lead poisoning etc. instead of cardiovascular diseases? Yeah, that's true, because they never have a chance to grow old enough to develop cardiovascular diseases and cancer, because they're already dead by the time these diseases develop in an abused body. It's like with Alzheimers: why are there so many people with Alzheimers? Simply because people are living longer.

Cheers,
Desi
(in a rush, off to the mines, hi-ho)

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe
they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

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webmanco says on Apr 24, 2007, 05:57:

Con esa cara de Yo no fui Sin embargo al fuego irá

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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poco says on Apr 24, 2007, 09:27:

Folks worldwide love McDonalds but i think they have a long way to go .

Approx. 75% performance INCREASE over the Coke in 3 Years,,and 50% over the DOW, so how far would that be? PS: Chart Modified Chart, DOW purple, Coke Red. Do a refresh.



Dow Jones reported that McDonald's Corporation would sell its 1,600 restaurants in Latin America to a licensee. McDonald's, which has hinted in recent months that it planned to sell numerous overseas restaurants to entities who could better manage them, said that Latin American entrepreneur Woods Staton, a long-time part of McDonald's system, would acquire the stores. McDonald's also announced that it expects to receive about $700 million in proceeds, for a 20-year license arrangement. The transaction is expected to close within several months. Beyond the pending Latin American transaction, McDonald's said in a Securities and Exchange Commission filing that it will pursue the sale of about 600 restaurants outside the U.S. to
local developmental licensees. Those deals are expected to be completed by the end of 2008.

PS: 1000's of cattle used for a hamburger? That's a really clueless statement but then again this is PBH.

"When you men get home and face an anti-war protester, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she's dating a pussy." Quote - General Tommy Franks

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Simon says on Apr 24, 2007, 10:14:

The best tasting hamburgers I've ever eaten are at El Corral.

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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Miguel_Clavo says on Apr 24, 2007, 12:02:

I agree with Simon.....the steak burgers are the bomb! Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo =)..aka, DragonSlayer...Colombia es pasión!

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Man Tequila says on Apr 24, 2007, 12:07:

El Corral has hamburgers far, far better than McDonald's, and probably are the best fast food burger I've had. Well worth the money, if you ask me. My homemade ones are better.

The claim that a McDonald's burger can contain meat from up to a thousand cattle was made in the book "Fast Food Nation", which I highly recommend. The idea was that in the old days, a butcher would give you ground beef by grinding up a hunk of cow in front of you or at the store. Being a butcher or working in a slaughterhouse in the US used to be a pretty skilled job. Over time, slaughterhouses and meatpacking plants found they could make more money by grinding the meat at the plant and delivering this product to the stores. This ground meat is from a big production line and is a mixture from whatever cows were recently killed. This ground beef, delivered to the stores, certainly comes from several cows and in theory could come from hundreds. Stores liked this new system since they could save money by getting rid of highly paid and skilled in-store butchers. Slaughterhouses made killing cattle into a long series of simple (but bloody) steps and were able to replace expensive skilled labour with unskilled labour anyone with a strong stomach could do. Most of these nasty slaughterhouse jobs are currently done by Mexican labourers.

In summary, the claim meat comes from "up to a thousand" cows is plausible. They kill thousands of cattle, the ground beef forms a big pile, and they mix it and pack it up. They do not mix it up to the degree that it is very LIKELY, but the ground beef you buy at a grocery store in the US usually does contain meat from several cattle.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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Miguel_Clavo says on Apr 24, 2007, 12:37:

Damn, Webmanco, what the hell is that? a photo of Rodentdero? =) Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo =)..aka, DragonSlayer...Colombia es pasión!

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Miguel_Clavo says on Apr 24, 2007, 12:54:

Where can i buy porridge? i can remember to breathe.... Man Wins Cash Bet for Making It to 100
Reuters

LONDON (April 24) - A British man celebrated his 100th birthday with 25,000 pounds, or $50,000, in winnings on Tuesday after he beat the bookmakers with a wager that he would live for a century.
Alec Holden, from Epsom, south west of London, had placed a 100 pound bet with bookmaker William Hill almost 10 years ago that he would live to be 100 years old.
The retired engineer said a daily diet of porridge and playing chess was the key to his longevity -- as was remembering to keep breathing.
"When we started taking these bets, a 100 years old seemed to be an almost mythical landmark and we were prepared to offer massive odds," said Rupert Adams of William Hill.
"But these age wagers are starting to cost us a fortune."

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo =)..aka, DragonSlayer...Colombia es pasión!

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Robert Jorge says on Apr 24, 2007, 18:32:

Bandeja paisa. Desi, is this a picture of what you are talking about?

I was astounded at the size of that meal the first time I saw it served. The only thing that shocked me about your post was that the dish is ONLY 2000 calories.

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Monpirri says on Apr 24, 2007, 18:52:

Only 2K calories? Just like there is good cholesterol, there is also good calories. Bandeja paisa has good calories! lol
I guess bandeja paisa must be the mother of all calories with 2000 calories mark.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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utopiacowboy says on Apr 24, 2007, 19:38:

Damm, that's a nice looking dish! The food looks good too.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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Man Tequila says on Apr 24, 2007, 19:51:

1600 McDonalds in Latin America -- 64 restaurants in Colombia, and 1536 in other countries. Colombia is a pretty small part of the picture. This picture will change with time and tourism -- I'd bet McDOnald's does well in Panamá these days. I think Colombia will grow more prosperous with time and more folks will have the disposable income to make sales more successful.

Bandeja paisa is delicious. I've had it several times, and never been disappointed. The portion size has varied quite a bit, and the number of calories would depend on that. But it is always high in calories, fat, protein and carbohydrates. Many of the foods in bandeja paisa are healthy and if you burn off the calories, no harm done. A diet high in carbs will make you fat if you don't burn them off. The precise balance between carbohydrates, protein and fat is probably less important for heart health than some folks think. The study I quoted earlier is probably the best one out there and showed little difference for postmenopausal women.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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Monpirri says on Apr 24, 2007, 20:02:

Mantequilla By any chance, do you work part time for Mcdonald's?
I like McDonald's Buffalo sauce, have you tried it?
So bandeja paisa has 2K calories, if that's accurate, that is about the amount of eating six lasagnas, since each lasagna has about 350 calories. Holy cow!!!!

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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miamimike says on Apr 24, 2007, 20:15:

Yes but what about that High Artery Clogging Cholesterol content found in a BP? Can't burn that off or out,,,Call 911 and have a Paramedic Wagon on standby, probably need it...LOL

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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Monpirri says on Apr 24, 2007, 20:38:

Mantequilla McDonald's Spicy Buffalo Sauce contains about 0.78 carb grams.
Have you tried it? I recommend it and the buffalo does not have much calories.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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Man Tequila says on Apr 24, 2007, 20:52:

They don't have the spicy buffalo sauce in Canada. Sounds good.

I don't work at McDs (and never have), though there is always the dream. I have no personal axe to grind. As I said, I have mixed feelings about McDs. I do think they brainwash children, offer many unhealthy food choices (and portion sizes) and have some questionable corporate practices. The book Fast Food Nation discusses these in great detail. On the other hand, I think there are good reasons that McDonald's has been successful, and I think these will continue. Interestingly, one of the places where McDs has made a lot of money has been in real estate.

I also like bandeja paisa, agree that calories from starch carbohydrates are much healthier than sugars, and that diets high in carbohydrates can still be healthy.

True, lots of cholesterol in bandeja paisa. Best to eat it in moderation.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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Man Tequila says on Apr 24, 2007, 21:10:

How many calories are in bandeja paisa? Obviously, differs depending on portions. The bandeja montañeras I've seen contain grilled steak, chicharrón, red beans, rice, chorizo, a fried egg, arepa de choclo, morcilla, patacones de plátano verde, tajadas de plátano maduro, and a slice of avocado. I've sometimes seen potato or hogao.

According to this- http://encolombia.com/medicina/materialdeconsulta/Tensiometro87.htm

"Bandeja paisa Cada una contiene, en promedio, 2.164 calorías, 182 gramos (gr) de carbohidratos, 80 gr de proteínas y 120 gr de grasa. Valga decir que para funcionar bien el organismo requiere al día entre 1.800 a 2.000 calorías; eso quiere decir que este plato las copa casi todas, por
lo que su consumo frecuente desemboca en un inevitable aumento de peso, sobre todo en sedentarios. Además, el aporte de colesterol, proveniente de las grasas saturadas del chorizo, la carne de cerdo, el chicharrón y el huevo. Los fríjoles no se deben preparar con garra;
prefiéralos guisados y adicióneles arroz, una tajada de plátano asado y carne en polvo magra (sin gordos). Trate de evitar el chorizo y el chicharrón y agréguele una porción pequeña de aguacate, pues su grasa mono insaturada es buena para el corazón."

Holy cow!

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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Man Tequila says on Apr 24, 2007, 21:23:

Personally, I try to time my carb intake so that I eat most of them between two hours before to two hours after working out. The rest of the day, I don't eat a lot of carbs except for fruits and vegetables. I do well when I stick to this plan and work doesn't get in the way.

"Nutrient timing" is the next big thing in nutrition. Eating lots of carbs for breakfast is better than before going to bed. Eating most of your carbohydrates close to the time of exercise is best of all.

If you are a pasty gringo sitting at a desk, you'll burn less calories than if you walk everywhere or work the fields. I walk a lot more in Colombia than where I live in Canada, so I lose weight when I go there.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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webmanco says on Apr 25, 2007, 06:37:

The wonders of mom and dad restaurants, I would always chance the rice for more salad or grains, (red beans, habichuela, alverja, garbanzo, lenteja, coliflor, algas etc)

I don´t like too much ahullama. And give always papa salada instead of french fries. Many people will lose weight by just stop eating rice.

Althoug carbohidrates are good when you run. Then I would take some spaghetti. Good pasta is not always easy to find.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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steveyorkuk says on Apr 25, 2007, 06:56:

yes still a mc don in cali yes there is still a mc donalds in cali (unicentro) is cheaper than england but cannot understand people buying food from there is many better burger places and much much cheaper

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Monpirri says on Apr 25, 2007, 08:01:

Bandeja paisa Does bandeja paisa really have 2.164 calories?
Do we have a nutrionist in the house? Now you guys have me wondering.
One egg is 75 calories, rice probably does not have much, beans have to be low, one sausage how much calories does it have? One small size of chicharron, how many are there? one slice of avocado and one or two tajadas...Do we have an expert in calories? I say the calories have been blown out proportion!!!
I say there is a conspiracy by the Western countries, lol.

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Monpirri says on Apr 25, 2007, 08:05:

Also Keep in mind that we are not using one pound of rice, one pound of chorizo, one pound of avocado, one pound of tajadas, one pound of eggs...
Let's do the math again!

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Man Tequila says on Apr 25, 2007, 11:04:

The 2164 calories comes from a Colombian nutrition website. I have a USDA nutrition and calorie counter on my desktop, but it didn't have chicharrón. I thought the number was too high at first, but now I'm not so sure.

Here is another Colombian calorie counter website.
http://www.csalto.net/control%20peso/calorias_alimentos.htm

This site listed chicharrón as 601 calories/100g (raw) and chorizo as 468 calories/100g (raw).

Raw plantain is 120 calories/100g, but probably more if you fry it.
Avacado is 190 calories/100g, but the amount is usually small.
Beans are about 120 calories/100g and are the healthiest thing there.
A 4" piece of chorizo is about 280 calories.
A large fried egg is about 90 calories.
Beefsteak might be 200 calories/100g depending on the type of meat.
Rice is about 120 calories/100g.
Arepa is maybe 300 calories/100g.
Morcilla is about 460 calories/100g but not all bandejas have this.

Beans and rice are dense (it's hard to eat a pound) and fairly low calorie. Much would depend on the size of the chicharrones and the chorizo. The size of the arepa and avacado slice and whether there is morcilla would also make a difference.

A bandeja paisa at Hatoviejo is HUGE and I can easily believe it to be over 2000 calories. By making bandeja heavy on rice and beans and with small portions of meat and avacado it could be mich lower. It's foolish to blame these calorie counts on a Western conspiracy. Me and my Illuminati friends are conspiring to make chicharrón high in calories and cholesterol? -- the figure did come from a Colombian site as referenced.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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Totaso says on Apr 25, 2007, 15:52:

Check this out My girlfriend and her family from Medallo have been eating bandeja paisa for several years and they do not suffer from obesity, high cholesterol or have any problems with blocked arteries.
In Medellin or in Colombia I did not see any health problems due to the food they eat.
I agree, bp have been rated here too high in calories. BP it should have about the same amount of calories as a large portion of lasagna. What the heck maybe the guys at the food lab screwed up and measured the bp with a heavy stick.

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podborski says on Apr 25, 2007, 16:16:

the anti McDonalds people are usually thinly disguised anti-big business types, especially american big business types.

Meaning they hate anything successful. How intelligent is that?

monpirri sounds just like my Czech ex, who insisted McDonalds was devil's food, and then cooked me a huge potato pancake deep fried in some kind of grease, it must have been 8,000 calories.

I can't believe how gullible people are. If I ate my mom's home made apple pie (or burgers, or roast beef with gravy, or..)every day for a month I'd have the same problems as the moron who made that movie.

Anyone believe you could eat bandeja paisa every meal for a month and have nothing bad happen?

Anyone realize some SCIENTISTS did a proper study of what happens to people eating crap food for a month? Result: many had BETTER test scores after.

Read 'Freakonomics' by Stephen Leavitt (sp?). Now there's a way to shed some ignorance.

I agree with man T, mcDonalds is crap food that fills a need when you are rushed and more so if you are travelling and don't want to risk trying some new restaurant that could be even worse.

the reason McDonalds is successful is you know exactly what food you are going to get when you go there.

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Man Tequila says on Apr 25, 2007, 16:31:

Super Size Me wasn't exactly an unbiased scientific study. I though Freakonomics was an entertaining book (Maybe I'll name my next kid Oona?).

Genetics plays a huge role in determining who gets heart attacks. What happens to any specific person is irrelevant to a population study looking at thousands of people. Lots of people eat terrible diets and never get a heart attack, but it doesn't make it a brilliant idea. The role of diet in heart attacks has probably been somewhat overrated.

Bandeja paisa is pretty different from lasagna, why should it be the same? Lasagna doesn't have chicharron or chorizo. If the BP is mainly rice and beans with small portions of meat, it would be healthier than if there is lots of chicharron.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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podborski says on Apr 25, 2007, 16:53:

I don't smoke, and I eat healthy food when I can. I just really hate these health nazis who try to prevent restaurants from selling what they want (and what I want).

If you don't like McD's, don't go there.

I still laugh at some comment I heard, this guy said, 'I could go to the gym 3 times a week for my whole life and live an extra x years, but I would have spent all that extra time in the gym.'

Doesn't tell the whole story of course, but you have to admit, he has a point.

I really liked Freakonomics, but then I was an economics major. But I think most people would find it interesting? I mean, where else could you read about the connection between sumo wrestlers and american school teachers?

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webmanco says on Apr 25, 2007, 18:53:

That sounds pretty boring. "the reason McDonalds is successful is you know exactly what food you are going to get when you go there" Not true. That sounds pretty boring.


As it was said before one of the reason is because they advertise to children, then childre will brain wash parents to go there, granted some parents and single adult do like food at Mac Donalds, but that is a poor choice. I take Creep and Waffes over McD at any time, or Mexican food. (Just for the record, I take colombian food over any other dish from elsswhere) And I had tried dishes from many countries.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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Monpirri says on Apr 25, 2007, 19:03:

These Canadians Or English or whatever, they think they know everything. I was more like trying to shed a little a light on the calories exhibited by members on bandeja paisa.
I do like some of the food from McDonalds and the Buffalo sauce and breakfast, but rather have changua with calao and buñuelos with chocolate.
I really think we should hire a nutritionist to recalculate the small portions served on the bandeja paisa and consequently one chorizo, one/two square pieces of chicharron about 2X3, one slice of avocado, the strip of steak, rice and arepa or the whole bandeja paisa should amount to about 450 or 750 calories.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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Portena says on Apr 25, 2007, 19:48:

Well, the bandeja paisa meal in that photo does look huge! When is it typically consumed - lunch? dinner? (breakfast??)

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webmanco says on Apr 25, 2007, 22:09:

For lunch but sometimes when a lot was cooked, the next day, whatever is left, it will be mixed and served for breakfast. It is called "Calentao"

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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Man Tequila says on Apr 25, 2007, 22:15:

If you believe a bandeja paisa is 450 calories, well, you'll probably believe anything.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Apr 25, 2007, 22:32:

from the same page sancocho de gallina is around 850 calories. The problem is that that the criollo hen used to make the best and tastiest sancocho has lots of saturated fats. Agg the calories from rice cooked with plenty of oil in it and an avocado half and you're well over 1000 calories per meal.

Cheers,
Desi

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe
they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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Cerealkiller says on Apr 26, 2007, 01:32:

Pod, I hate McD's I am not anti big biz...I just think their food is crap. If I want something fast and filling I just go to Pret a Manger or M&S and grab a salad, some fruit or a veggie wrap and top it up with some fruit smoothie instead of coke, which gives me heartburn...if youre into McD's then good for you, but the fact that I believe their food is absolutely vile does not mean I am leftist tree hugger who only shops at her local organic corner store.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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morphus says on Apr 26, 2007, 01:40:

What about Wimpy's the British version of Mcdonald's?

It can't be any better.

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Cerealkiller says on Apr 26, 2007, 02:19:

ha ha ha Morphus, I have only seen ONE Wimpy in the UK, and that was in Essex...its nasty nasty. McDs is lavish compared to Wimpy.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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morphus says on Apr 26, 2007, 02:48:

They're in Bogota now. Its all the same shit. Hamburgers are made with the fattiest chop meat.

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Cerealkiller says on Apr 26, 2007, 03:03:

Oh no, Ive seen the Wimpy at El Dorado and that is classy compared to the one in Essex. I went there because as the girlie girl I am I reeeeeally had to pee and thought "oh theres a wimpy, I am sure they wont mind"...we had to buy a coke which had no gas, and then this girl came with a key and opened the customer bathroom...it was this tiny tiny bathroom with bright blue lights, and smelled...i was told they do that to make sure people dont shoot up heroin because the light wont let you find the good vein...I dont know if thats true or not but it certainly felt like the kind of place youd see in a trainspotting type of film...and I had to hold it for like a half hour!!!!!

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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Cerealkiller says on Apr 26, 2007, 03:03:

Oh no, Ive seen the Wimpy at El Dorado and that is classy compared to the one in Essex. I went there because as the girlie girl I am I reeeeeally had to pee and thought "oh theres a wimpy, I am sure they wont mind"...we had to buy a coke which had no gas, and then this girl came with a key and opened the customer bathroom...it was this tiny tiny bathroom with bright blue lights, and smelled...i was told they do that to make sure people dont shoot up heroin because the light wont let you find the good vein...I dont know if thats true or not but it certainly felt like the kind of place youd see in a trainspotting type of film...and I had to hold it for like a half hour!!!!!

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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podborski says on Apr 26, 2007, 05:36:

so if it's not political why is it always McDonalds people scream about?

Why not Baskin Robbins? Or the local ice cream shop that sells heart attack by the kilo? They don't appeal to kids? What about Hersheys? Nestle? Cadbury?

No, you only ever hear about McDonalds.

And kids 'brainwashing their parents' come on. There's lots of brainwashing going on, but you don't even realize who is really getting fed the bs.

BTW, the other big campaign going on right now feeding the plebes lots of misinformation is against Walmart. I'm willing to bet all the anti-McD's people have swallowed that hook, line and sinker too.

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podborski says on Apr 26, 2007, 09:52:

the anti Wal-Mart campaign is apparently funded by trade unions, who are not so happy with the fact that Wal-Mart stores are not unionized.

Wal-Mart closed a store in Quebec that unionized. Good for them I say.

cochino, you can keep your assembly-line jobs making little plastic toys, but I think MOST people would prefer to leave those jobs to others and do something that needs a little less manual labour and a little more technology,capital and brainpower.

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Monpirri says on Apr 26, 2007, 18:23:

Calories recount. Desi I disagree with you about the calories research. Would you mind telling us how did you figure out 850 calories for sancocho? Is your source information also from a nutritional site?

"sancocho de gallina is around 850 calories. The problem is that that the criollo hen used to make the best and tastiest sancocho has lots of saturated fats. Agg the calories from rice cooked with plenty of oil in it and an avocado half and you're well over 1000 calories per meal."

We coming from a family who love to eat rice, I knew a little bit about rice. I always thought that rice did not have any calories because otherwise everyone would be fat in China or in the Oriental countries. I strongly believe for several years that rice did not have any calories until today when I decided to find out more about rice.
Well, I was right and I was wrong. I was right because rice is considered a low-calorie food and I was wrong because white rice does have calories, 103 calories.

Grains of Truth Show RICE FITS

At 103 – 108 calories per half-cup cooked serving, rice is a low-calorie food

http://www.usarice.com/news/news_detail.cgi/105/5

Goya Food Basics
Rice-Wholesome & Nutritious
Contains only 103 calories per half-cup serving of white rice and 108 calories per half-cup serving of brown rice.

http://www.goya.com/english/nutrition/basics_rice.html

Nutrional Information
Rice...
· Contains 103 calories per half-cup serving of white rice and 108 calories per half-cup serving of brown rice.
· Is cholesterol-free.
· Has only a trace of fat.
· Is sodium-free.
· Is a complex carbohydrate.
· Is gluten-free and non-allergenic.
· Is easy to digest.

http://www.amrice.com/6-4.cfm

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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caslug says on Apr 26, 2007, 19:02:

Monpirri.. looks like you never been to china(or asia).. " I always thought that rice did not have any calories because otherwise everyone would be fat in China or in the Oriental countries. "

First.. 1/3 of chinese kids are fat now.

Second.. the reason many people in Asian countries DONT get fat is due to portion size at home. In Asia, NO WAY, would ONE person eat a typical american or even colombian size portions at home(or at restaurants).. typically the bowls are 1/3 the size of a dinner bowl/plate in US or latin america. EVEN in Japan and Korea(which are "richer" asian nation)..

Third.. many asian country is still very poor, so sometimes, people DONT have enough food(hence small portion size). Even when they make money and can BUY more food, and prepare bigger portion size. THEY DONT. It's quite accepted that a under 21 yr old kid, that moves to US will get bigger/taller possibly fatter by the time he reaches 21. AND they asian family in US STILL EAT 90% rice. So it's mainly due to portion size than rice itself.

Fourth.. ANOTHER big factor in "size" in Asia, is people(until recently) did not eat lots of meat(especially red meat). I typical meal for a poor/middle class family is 50% rice, 30-40% vegatables, and 10-20% meat/fish/chicken.. The richer you were the more percentage of meat you could afford. HECK.. i eat the common bowl of PHO(VietNamese noodles) here in US they give HUGE BOWL(super size) and give about 10 pcs of meat.. while in Vietnam, the bowls are 1/2 the size and they give about 3 pcs of meat.

Fifth.. RICE(white rice) is actually bad for you if you are worry about high cholestrol. My sister switched from white rice to brown rice for that reason.

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Monpirri says on Apr 26, 2007, 19:20:

Many oriental people in the states Even in the states, many oriental people who reside in the state are not fat and they eat rice as much as they used to eat back in their home countries. Rice does not have much calories only 130.

Yes, I have been in Asia.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Apr 26, 2007, 21:34:

monpirri, that sancocho calorie count is from the same source as the bandeja paisa info: it's a Colombian web page. Remite: Patricia Posada, MD
Fuente: Claudia Angarita, nutricionista dietista. http://eltiempo.terra.com.co/



http://encolombia.com/medicina/materialdeconsulta/Tensiometro87.htm

There are a few other Colombian dishes analyzed there: el ajiaco, tamal, lechona, fritanga, mondongo.

Cheers,
Desi


"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe
they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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caslug says on Apr 26, 2007, 22:43:

Monpirri.. there was study a few years back.. they found that AFTER asian(japanese) moved fr asia to US.. they had a HIGHER rate or heart related problems. They attributed this to change in eating/living habits. So it's not anything magical about rice, it's alot more than rice that makes asian thin or fat.

BTW, asian-american kids are bigger/fatter/fitter than their counterpart in the home country. and they still eat lots of rice but they also eat bigger portion. heck my family in US.. eat huge bowls compare to what my family in VN use.. but many asian family in US.. still eat the same way(ie, same portion size), especially older generation. So they are less fat. BUT also, many asian-american(just like many other americans) also exerecise alot go to the gym, want to keep in shape, look good.. so of course they're not fat. BUT there are ALOT of overweight asian kids, young adults, adults, and older folks that have weight, diabiete, & health issues

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miamimike says on Apr 26, 2007, 22:54:

While the Calory count in BP is high, what is worse is the Artery Clogging Heart attack causing Cholesterol. Calories can be burned off by exercise but Not Cholesterol; same with those Big Macs! No way you drink 10 glasses of Water and wash it out of your system.No Way Jose,,,Thats one of the Reasons Clinton ending up with a Coronary Bypass.

BTW_tou will never see a Insulin Dependent Diabetic whose Doctor advices him/her to include Rice in their Diet! Rice will jack up Blood Glucose Levels like right now to dangerous levels,,,Superbad for one's Glycemic Index!

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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Monpirri says on Apr 27, 2007, 01:27:

Desi, calories recount! Yep, I checked the links yesterday before posting and I noticed on one of the links that Dr. Mantequilla posted have rice with a three times higher rating of calories or 354 Kcla. http://www.csalto.net/control%20peso/calorias_alimentos.htm Carme Saltó Sánchez Psicóloga Clínica
The other link http://encolombia.com/medicina/materialdeconsulta/Tensiometro87.htm
Daniel Jácome Roca, MD is also the personal opinion of Dr. Roca and the link written by Claudia Angarita, nutricionista dietista. http://eltiempo.terra.com.co/ link does not work.

My sources about the rice are from nutritional sites:

Grains of Truth Show RICE FITS
At 103 – 108 calories per half-cup cooked serving, rice is a low-calorie food
http://www.usarice.com/news/news_detail.cgi/105/5

Goya Food Basics
Rice-Wholesome & Nutritious
Contains only 103 calories per half-cup serving of white rice and 108 calories per half-cup serving of brown rice.
http://www.goya.com/english/nutrition/basics_rice.html

Nutrional Information
Rice...
· Contains 103 calories per half-cup serving of white rice and 108 calories per half-cup serving of brown rice.
· Is cholesterol-free.
· Has only a trace of fat.
· Is sodium-free.
· Is a complex carbohydrate.
· Is gluten-free and non-allergenic.
· Is easy to digest.
http://www.amrice.com/6-4.cfm

White rice has just 103 calories!

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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podborski says on Apr 27, 2007, 07:10:

it's totally unscientific but when I lived in Japan from '88 to '91 I was taller than almost every local (I am barely 5'11") EXCEPT for the young kids. Teenaged boys towered over their parents and were often close to my height (and still growing I am sure). It was quite noticeable.

I always wondered if it was due to the fact that Japan was rapidly becoming wealthier, and so they were eating more red meat, or if it was due to the growth hormones in the cows and chickens?

Anyway, I recall reading that young japanese had horrible diets, eating the worst of fried Japanese foods and the worst of the 'new'american fast foods.

A shame for a nation that had arguably the best eating habits in the world (lots of fresh raw fish and vegetables).

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El Primo says on Apr 27, 2007, 08:09:

Mcdonald's, it is not about the food For the most part I do not think people in Colombia go to McDonald's for the food.

I live in St. Thomas, VI for 2.5 years and only visited McDonald's twice, once for ice cream and the second for ice cream because my daughter (born and raised in Colombia) wanted to play.

The same when I was in Colombia in 2005 handing with my sister-in-law and niece. For my niece it is a treat to go to Mcdonald's (or she was trying to show me how American she wanted to be; long story).

Personally, I do not like or eat McDonald's. If I want fast food I would prefer Burger King (smells much better) or Wendy's, taste fresher.

I did like El Corral but found their foods too salty. The Matliadas were good.

Can you please explain to me the Colombian's obsession with Donkin' Donuts?

A few years ago (before I married into Colombia) I looked into opening a Dunkin' Donuts in Brazil. They really did not take over there. Other then a store in a mall in Recife the other Donkin' Donuts were just counter space.


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Desideria (Moderator) says on Apr 27, 2007, 08:26:

white rice is poor food from nutritional point of view. It has both high GI and low in nutrition and it's mostly just empty calories. I wonder if the calories indicated in that link for 1/2 cup (what? how much is half a cup?) include all the oil Colombians like to pour inthe rice pot when cooking it?

Bandeja Paisa should be classified a health hazard for people already suffering from any cardiovascular illness. MiamiMike's asessment is absolutely on the target.

Cheers,
Desi



"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe
they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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miamimike says on Apr 27, 2007, 08:31:

Dunkin Donuts just closed a Franchise in my North Miami Neighborhood, even Krispy Kreme has lost customers. Now they are in the Far East and thriving so we are exporting our poor eating habits to the Far East! The people are standing in line for 2 hours to buy Krispy Kremes! That will jack up their Blood sugar worse then that White Rice! White Rice is a no no in a diabetic diet due to the fact it causes such a spike in Blood sugar! Really stresses a person's Pancreas!

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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Buongone says on Apr 27, 2007, 22:37:

Condom found in Happy Meal Tinto, that was a good one. Made me laugh !! Seems some grandma was buying her 7 year old granddaughter a Happy meal and found a condom. Lucky for McD's it was not a used one. Ha Ha. Check it out at www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,268697,00.html

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goin_south says on Apr 27, 2007, 23:17:

redefining 'Happy Meal', eh? Maybe it's just one of Ronald's new community care programs.
A CONDOM IN EVERY HAPPY MEAL.

I'D RATHER BE.........IN COLOMBIA :-))

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Miguel_Clavo says on Apr 27, 2007, 23:20:

That was the prize of the meal...everyone knows it is