Colombian wife's weight gain

Colombiche says on Aug 15, 2005, 08:47:

Look at her mother... That will give you a good clue of what she is supposed to look like.

It could be the american food, because colombian women don't usually pack the pounds before or after marriage, in other words, not it isn't so common. However, in colombia like anywhere else I am sure, there are women who do gain weight when they get married. Maybe you wife is one of them.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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gorgonabob says on Aug 15, 2005, 08:56:

come on its called exercise...... if she works out and eats well she should not put on weight.... but really as age takes its toll she aint getting any slimmer.... youll be shopping for a new wardrobe for the girl every other year..... save some money and book yourselves into a gym... or come back down to colombia twice a year and do the Sierra Nevada de Cocuy trip... i have done the trek twice and lost 6kgs each time over a one week period...

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NorwegianMale says on Aug 15, 2005, 09:02:

General american problem As far as I know the americans on an average are the most over-weight people in the world, which probably is the result of too much fast food. I dont know if your wife eats alot of burger, chips and so on, but please not make that a colombian problem.

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Crazy4Cali says on Aug 15, 2005, 09:13:

The cake that causes the most weight gain is the wedding cake.

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adrimm says on Aug 15, 2005, 09:22:

Less excercise (likely factor) Colombia: Walking lots, running after the bus, hiking up a million stairs a day.
vs
North America: stepping into cars and driving door to door, and having elevators everywhere.

Also eating patterns - main meal later in the day. Colombian supper is typically rather light.

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elmodefoque says on Aug 15, 2005, 09:48:

Dude; get her fat ass on a bicycle, it worked for me. I was 46 inch waist about 2 months ago, now I’m 42 with a 40 inch target. I eat a lot less of course, no more rice which I love with a passion especially el cucayo. Yesterday, my wife's friend made arroz con coco, Cartagena style, and my freaking diet went out the window, I was scraping the hell outta that pot, but what I did was to go bike riding after eating and it was closed to 100 degrees in nyc, I was sweating buckets, did not smell too good either.

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Aug 15, 2005, 10:06:

probably lack of exercise or otherwise it can be hereditary. Even if tinto doesn't agree with the fast food theory it's pretty universally attributed for the typical gringo overweight. People drink tremendous amounts of sugary drinks in the States too and the portions of both food and drink tend to be double as big compared to Colombian or European portions.

Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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elmodefoque says on Aug 15, 2005, 10:13:

If you don’t watch out, after so much weight gain, soon comes hair in their upper lip, and hairy legs and armpit. That lunar lindo you fell in love with is gonna get bigger with thigh hair growing outta of it.

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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miamimike says on Aug 15, 2005, 10:23:

Is that you..... Londonmale???? You asked this question before.

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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Hunter says on Aug 15, 2005, 10:24:

miamimike It certainly sounds like him, he must have about 50 handles here, I wonder what his (or her) first handle really was.

Hunter

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Colombiche says on Aug 15, 2005, 10:26:

Yeah okay!!!!! blacks and latinos the fattest people in the states? Sorry, you can blame the crime statistics on us, fine, you can blame the demographic explosion on us.. okay. You can even blame us for the lowering wages for unskilled jobs....that we will admit to as well... but there is no way that latinos are fatter than those white folks I see on my drives down upstate new york, hanging out at the local wendy's stuffing their faces with Fries and Nacho Chips. Quote all the stats you want, I wouldn't be surprised it the Americans are skewing those too so that they can blame the Mexis for the fatness gene.

Nice try Tinto.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Crazy Eagle says on Aug 15, 2005, 10:28:

get her pushin wieghts Join a gym, get her pushing barbelles, dumbells, and using the machines. More muscle = higher metabolic rate = less flab. Other benefits: stronger bones, more energy, higher libido. Just watch out she doesn't get so strong she doesn't take your garbage anymore!

"Let there be spaces in your togetherness" Kahil Gibran

"The natural rhythm of life is routine punctuated by orgy" Aldous Huxley

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Colombiche says on Aug 15, 2005, 10:30:

Okay... I did see a few fatties in Mexico.... tons (no pun intended) actually. Lots of big mother gut mexicans. I have seen a share of fat Puerto Ricans too. But no way these two groups alone are fatter than US caucasians.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Colombiche says on Aug 15, 2005, 10:33:

Coincidently though... I haven't seen a lot of fat people in Colombia. Paisa men tend to be on the scrawny side if you ask me.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Colombiche says on Aug 15, 2005, 10:36:

A combination of cardiovascular exercices And spot training (toning) will do. I don't focus on one musclegroup a day, I just get on the treadmill, run for 45 minutes, then I do 45 minutes of overall toning on the machines and the floormat, that is the best way to do abs, forget the machines for that. Dumbells are good, but I hate adding weight, I go as light as I can, just focus on doing lots of reps.

That regime worked for me. Try rollerblading and bikeriding a couple of times a week as well. I never put on weight, no matter how many arepas con quesito and empanadas I eat...because I go to the gym. Just move your butt, that is all it takes.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Miguel says on Aug 15, 2005, 10:48:

Exercise On my last Colombian journey, I actually worked out 6 days a week instead of the the usual 5 I do here in the States. I also ate anything I wanted, including the fried food I avoid in the States...throw in arequipe and a couple of cuba libres, and you would expect a weight gain, right? Well, I was walking much more in Colombia than I do at home, and I was getting much more "trim" there, as well..."trim" as used by Eddie Murphy...I lost 8 pounds. Also, on this trip, I was a little more liberal in my intake of unbottled water, with no bad effects. Three days after being Back In The USA, I got Montezuma's Revenge from food served at a staff meeting. Go figure.

If your colombiana needs to drop the pounds quickly, you can always send her to Don Elmo's "On All Fours Weight Reduction School" in Manhattan.

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bob777 says on Aug 15, 2005, 10:56:

too much s**t in our foods Besides the lack of exercise, due to riding everywhere in a car or taking elevators/escalators instead of stairs, I think there is something about all the s**t we add to our foods. Colombians have currently, for the most part(but changing slowly), very simple non-processed foods. The more addatives like oils, colorings, chemicals, preservatives, flavorings, thickners, "non-caking agents", etc. the more unhealthy the food becomes. Also, I believe that the more the food is processed the more of it gets absorbed into your system. unprocessed food require more work for your body to digest. (I read that somewhere.)

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elmodefoque says on Aug 15, 2005, 10:56:

jijiji. miguel, a 4 hour, on all fours work out with me, no AC in a new york city apt. with 97 degrees plus humidity is enough to gurantee rapid weight loss.

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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babygirl says on Aug 15, 2005, 11:02:

why are you asking a board of strangers why your wife is gaining weight? maybe you should go to the weight watchers website?

cheers - babygirl

cheers - babygirl

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BAQ says on Aug 15, 2005, 11:23:

MY WIFE SAYS OK, I am American, my wife obviously is Colombian and we still live here in Colombia. My wife REFUSES to eat MOST of the "American" foods I buy here because she says the PRESERVATIVES in them will make her FAT. Fact or fiction, I don;t know. All I DO KNOW is she won;t eat the American foods and is still "trim".

As a side note, when we went back to Texas last Christmas for a 2 week visit, she GAINED FIVE POUNDS while we where there. Needless to say, SHE was pissed off after we returned about the wait gain.

Just my personal experience.

Semper Fidelis !

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bob777 says on Aug 15, 2005, 11:30:

That's what I've read... In the United States, to make our food look and taste better, we add hormones, preservatives, salts, and every other thing we can think of that might make the food look and taste better, but probably wreaks havoc on our systems.

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Diez Y Siete says on Aug 15, 2005, 11:31:

just a side note I read this somewhere, thought maybe if she didnt like excercising maybe this could work lol,...Having sex 3 times a week for 1 year adds up to running 75 miles!!!! or,Sex burns about 150 calories every half an hour of it. It will lower your cholesterol and improve breathing circulation. maybe more of this would decrease waight gain, you only wish, wortha try though eh? ;)

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Sylvie says on Aug 15, 2005, 11:33:

Some women get fatter naturally with age because their metabolism naturally slows down. All she has to do is start excerising and then her metabolism will be right back up to normal.

If she's had babies that may also be a reason for her metabolism to slow down.

Excerise is the only solution.

Ans by the way, there does exist fat people in Colombia not as many as in the US but there are still fat women and men in Colombia. Saw them with my very own eyes.

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bob777 says on Aug 15, 2005, 11:36:

Only a few fat Colombians now, but... You have one Mc Donalds already in Cali, that I have seen, and those things tend to pop-up like weeds. We will have to wait and see if the obesity rate increases with the number of Mc Donalds in Colombia increases :)

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ws244 says on Aug 15, 2005, 11:44:

weight She is lazy (LAZY) and as i assume she is now in the states she has more rights than you so you can't kick in the butt, and you probably do not have the fortitude to to divorce her, as you have already let it go this far. This has nothing to do with age, exercise, junk food, good food, bad food, but everything to do with her laziness and excuses, such as the neighbor ran over my dog and i just can not help myself. My 45 year old Colombiana still weighs 99 pounds (yes 45 not 25). Buy her some more chocolate as you love her, and it is not what is on the outside but on the inside that counts. Just ask any woman.

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Miguel says on Aug 15, 2005, 11:50:

Tienes razon Sylvie I always spouted to my gringo friends after my first trips to Colombia that there were not very many fat people there. Two years and four trips later, I can tell you that there are many. Anybody got the recipe for sopa guandual? I need to put on 8 pounds.

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Sylvie says on Aug 15, 2005, 12:00:

"This has nothing to do with age, exercise, junk food, good food, bad food, but everything to do with her laziness and excuses"

Weight gain actually has to do with all those things. BUt I suppose that if someone is lazy they wont exercise.

If someone exercises and cheats once in a while on food they can still stay at a healthy weight. Every Sunday I eat like starved piggie, its not a pretty site! lol

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ws244 says on Aug 15, 2005, 12:22:

weight Food equates to calories. So many calories per day equates to ones weight. Exercise does not equate to weight except to burn off calories one should not have had in the first place.

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BAQ says on Aug 15, 2005, 13:27:

Exercise Here is one other thought. In Colombia, a MAJORITY of the people WALK every day, to the store, getting to work, to get to the bus, see a friend, ect ect ect. In America, EVERYONE drives and HATES having a parking space more than 100 feet from the store entrance.

I was thinking about this thread when I remember my wife asking me (first time she was in Texas) "Where are all the people, there is no one walking on the street".

So, could be a combination of reduced exercise, more junk food, not working ect.

Just a thought.

Semper Fidelis !

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caslug says on Aug 15, 2005, 14:52:

hate to break the news.. but i have seen LOTS of women in Medellin and Cali that are packing a little weight. Granted there are lots of thin girls, but the majority are on the meaty side, of course they still wear the tight jeans and shirt(which makes them look sexier with clothes on). Obviously the younger ones 25 and under tend to be a little skinny(if they didnt have kids), but even still if you look closely the majority dont have a flat stomach. The older ones over 30, are definetely a little meaty.

One thing i think is while many have to walk alot, the typical COL food is very fatty(fried potatoes, fried steak, fried stuff, etc.,) So if they walk a lot then it balance out, but as they age(men&women) and dont exercise, it´ll catch up.

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utopiacowboy says on Aug 15, 2005, 16:57:

San Antonio is 60% Latino and it is the fattest city in the US. Of course you can travel a couple of hundred miles south to Monterrey and see a fairly skinny population. I was impressed by how much more they exercised and used their parks compared to people in San Antonio. Or you can drive 75 miles north to Austin and see another city where people care about health and fitness. The only thing people exercise in San Antonio are their wrists and their mouths as they stuff themselves full of enchiladas and chimichangas.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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Sylvie says on Aug 15, 2005, 19:41:

Fun fact. Supposedly the natives in the United States are the most obese people in the US and they're also the largest group with diabetes. But turns out that the Canadian Natives do not have that problem.

Odd isn't it? I think its because they're part of different tribes and out natives are all gas sniffers and drug addicts. They buy drugs instead of food.

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Sylvie says on Aug 15, 2005, 19:55:

Dangel, just how fat is she? Do you find yourself no longer attracted to her? Tell her the truth and that should make her want to go take up jogging.

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poco says on Aug 15, 2005, 20:58:

Truer words were never spoken Look at her mother, That will give you a good clue of what she is supposed to look like.

My experience is,, this is true 90% of the time. This can be avoided by a strict regime of exercise. Guess what,, you'll need to get involved and stay involved. This will be a life time effort.

American junk food hastens the problem. I've seen a "slender" girl gain 50 pounds in less than a year,, then,, you'll have skin problems. I dated a girl for 5 years. Workout daily, MINIMUM ONE HOUR and she'd done this for 25 years.

"When you men get home and face an anti-war protester, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she's dating a pussy." Quote - General Tommy Franks

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adrimm says on Aug 15, 2005, 21:02:

Poco & Silvie Poco, my mother is 66 years old is nothing to avoid. At 5'3 she weighs 125. I would be thrilled to look as well as she does at her age and any guy who considers her figure as something to be avoided is welcome to get out of my life.

Silvie,
"out natives are all gas sniffers and drug addicts"
Hope you never move up north.

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miamimike says on Aug 15, 2005, 21:57:

Pretty hard to beat Genetics/DNA deposited in your system by birth.It is a lifelong battle and it also has been shown women and men with a propensity towards Fat Deposits in the Abdominal areas are at a much Higher risk for developing Diabetes. I think if someone wants to get Lipo for this reason it makes sense, as the alternative, Diabetes, is not much of an option at all. Real PIA to check the blood glucose 4 times daily and if you are insulin dependent to have to stick yourself(or be injected 2 times daily w/insulin. Blacks and Latinos(in studies conducted by the new england journal of medicine)have a much higher incidence for developing Diabetes.

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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morphus says on Aug 15, 2005, 21:58:

the average human only needs between 1400 to 2000 calories a day. walking is overrated. an hour of walking only burns about 200 calories. it would be a lot easier to just eat 200 calories less. staying trim is easy. just don't eat more than 2000 calories a day, do strength training exercises twice a week and 10 minutes of Cardio everyday.

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poco says on Aug 15, 2005, 22:01:

What is the point ? Poco, my mother is 66 years old is nothing to avoid. At 5'3 she weighs 125. I would be thrilled to look as well as she does at her age and any guy who considers her figure as something to be avoided is welcome to get out of my life.

Are you overweight?

"When you men get home and face an anti-war protester, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she's dating a pussy." Quote - General Tommy Franks

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vicshere says on Aug 15, 2005, 22:12:

oh boy i am going to bed this looks like rumble going to start

listo
"con mucho gusto"
Vic
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Mr. Hollywood says on Aug 15, 2005, 22:52:

Preggers Dude, your wife is pregnant.

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Sylvie says on Aug 15, 2005, 23:11:

Oddly Dangel has only been a member for one day and posted this topic right as soon as he became a member. He also has yet to respond to any of the questions asked to him about this topic.

He's not even asking for advice. He's just asking if it is natural for Colombianas to gain weight once they get married.

I smell a troll.

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viewpoint says on Aug 16, 2005, 05:43:

DANGEL Welcome to the human race. This is a ridiculous post. We ought to send you to Colombia and see how much weight gain you have living and eating on a US$175 per month budget. Strata one through three usually has no car and walking (mostly) and buses are the usual method of travel as another poster pointed out.

When I met my Colombian girlfriend 6.5 years ago she weighed 86lbs (anorexic) and she nows weights 115lbs. She looks better now than she did when I met her in 1999. I am quite sure you haven't maintained your weight over the years. I sure as hell haven't.


Colombian women are the most competitive women I have ever met and they are still going under the knife in their 70's to maintain their attractiveness. My GF has been to the Cosmetic Surgeon more than once (not my idea). One time I joked with her about the size of her breasts and she returned from a Christmas vacation trip to Medellin four years ago with breat implants without even discussing them with me before she had the surgery done. I learned to keep my mouth shut as she dragged to her doctor to get his advice about attending to a few of my physical problems. Her prominent Paisa nose is gone thanks to another surgery.

The "look at her mother" advice that you are getting is good advice in more ways than one. You want to not just look but also observe and listen to her mother as more than likely she will be a carbon copy in "all ways". 6.5 years ago I noticed that my GF's mother was the "big boss" of her house and her father slept in another room. I should have payed more attention to that. jajajaja

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DonkeyDust says on Aug 16, 2005, 12:05:

Grande plato, grande estomago. Don't eat anything but lots of water until after you finish work (M-F around 3 pm for me). Not even sugar in your coffee, but i get away with a spoon of cream. And other times if you have a small water the food urge goes away sometimes.

Try to eat real healthy when you do eat and drink water BETWEEN meals and chew a lot.

Lost 15 kilos in 6 mos and it gets easy after a few months.

I feel great but my face is thin and a Colombian lady friend of ine says "gain some weight if you want the women. Jezzz. Can't win em all i guess.

I've done excersize a lot and it seems to make little difference to my weight.

Any slim, educated Latin women... that you or your wife know... who want to meet a slim spanish language student I might be he LoL.

Coming to Colombias in January 06.

Latitudes attitudes & platitudes.

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adrimm says on Aug 16, 2005, 12:57:

Poco My point is you make *all* mothers sound like Walruses or something.

As for me, my pic is my image gallery. Sure I could stand to lose some weight, but at size 8 I'm not freaking out over it.

Here;s a question: Does anyone here now why men's weight-gain so often happens on their stomach? I've seen so many midweight guys that look like they are in their 4th or 5th month of pregnancy, with matchstick legs and arms.

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t25 says on Aug 16, 2005, 13:45:

walking a lot? Well i've seen quite a number of obeise people in NYC, the only major city in the USA where you have to walk to get places, well Manhattan at least!

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santiBOG says on Aug 16, 2005, 14:05:

what a stupid thread

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miamimike says on Aug 16, 2005, 14:30:

Adrimm-probably DNA/Genetics what your parents are you will be and that includes the barriga(belly). One is born with a set number of fat(adipose) cells and by code are deposited in the same areas as those of your parents.These Fat Cells do not regenerate or migrate from one bodily area to another. In a diet, we do NOT lose fat cells; they are shrunken and as a person returns to their old eating habits, they enlarge again and the person is fat again-happens a lot! Thats why a majority of diets fail. Fat Cells are not "Washed" or "flushed" away by drinking water! This is crazy and simply not true. Lose weight nonsurgically? increase activity to the point where more Calories are expended then consumed. Sadly, no easy way nonsurgically or nonmedically(use of medicine-)

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Cerealkiller says on Aug 16, 2005, 14:39:

weather perhaps? when you move to colder places you need to put up a bit of weight in order to get a bit of an insulating fat layer...just get on a diet and if you find it just unbearable, then move to a warmer place. And yes, this is a rather stupid thread, does it really matter if your wife has put on a few extra pounds? and no, i doubt it is a colombian "female" habit *shakes head and rolls eyes*

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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morphus says on Aug 17, 2005, 18:15:

ha ha can anyone see the poor child in between?

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Luisa says on Aug 17, 2005, 23:59:

The food is different Hi, I'm a colombian wife... When I just got here, I did gain weight cuz the diet is so different; altough I noticed it in my clothes and got myself back in shape in just 2 months, now I know better, even if I eat something supposely "healthy" here, I still don't trust it, the food here has a lot of bad oils and preservatives in the food. The best way to go is to buy fresh food and prepared it yourself. Also in Colombia we walk a lot more than here, so just maybe tell her nicely that she should walk more. I'm bact to my 125pounds.

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ryanmaudi says on Aug 19, 2005, 04:26:

weight gain I lived in Bogota for 16months. I had my son there when I first arrived. Let me tell you. It is soooo easy to lose weight in Bogota. First off the fruit is so cheap so you eat alot of it. Also the cattle can run (not like here they live in boxes) so the meat is really fresh. Also since you have maids you can go to the gym every minute of the day. I was the skinnest I every was (with having 3kids) while living in Colombia. Now living back in the states, going to the gym 4x a week I have gained 18lbs and living back here only 12months. I am on a diet every single day here. I cannot wait to visit Colombia again to lose some weight.

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utopiacowboy says on Aug 19, 2005, 08:37:

I always lose weight there too. I love the fresh fruit and juices but the rest of the food is so bland I really don't want to eat much of it. Also we walk everywhere which is nice and here you tend to drive everywhere. On the whole, it's a much healthier lifestyle.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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CaryGrant says on Aug 20, 2005, 11:17:

I saw plenty of large women in Cali. The younger ones are slim, as they are up north. But when they get in their thirties and forties...just like in Canada and the US, the proportion (haha) of slender-to-chubby worsens.

If you marry someone who turns out not to be who she represented herself to be (that is, someone who cares about her health and appearance, especially to you):
1. Accept it, and hand her your testicles.
2. Divorce her.
3. Talk to her about it, tell her you're disappointed, you no longer find her attractive, and that you want the woman you married back. If she ignores you, insist on counseling. If she won't go, or doesn't change, divorce her.
4. Quit your job, go on welfare, and tell your wife to pass the bonbons. See how long she stays with you.
5. Do the passive-aggressive thing, and have an affair. This will likely lead to unhappiness for all parties, but does allow you to avoid confronting your wife. See 1., above.

Walking alone won't cure excess weight, but it's part of a more active lifestyle that increases your metabolism. I thought the idea of closing some streets on Sundays so people could bike and walk was a great one. There's a lot of evidence that people from other countries come to the US, Canada, etc., and pack on the pounds. Most of our food here is simply not that healthy. We eat far too much processed food, far too many animal products, are often highly stressed, and are not very active.

Like Rubiazo (sp?), I eat mainly organic and avoid processed food. I did not find most Colombian particularly healthy; whole grains are eschewed in favour or white rice/bread/cereal, for example. I am also vegetarian, close to vegan, which we found hard to accommodate in most Colombian restaurants.

Weight gain with age is not inevitable, certainly not to the point of obesity. As miami says, there is definitely a genetic component, but heredity does not totally define your destiny.

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morphus says on Aug 20, 2005, 11:39:

right "I saw plenty of large women in Cali. The younger ones are slim, as they are up north. But when they get in their thirties and forties...just like in Canada and the US, the proportion (haha) of slender-to-chubby worsens."

thats what i said a while back and everybody freaked out. when guys go to Colombia they only notice and remember the slim, good looking Colombianas. theres a lot of gorditas in Colombia too. women have slower metabolisms than men. a girl i know has a father around 50y/o. he still looks young around 40. he's slim with thick black hair. her mother is the same age but overweight and did'nt age as good. the father sees other women on the side. one night he went out dressed nice. the mother was crying all alone in her room. so sad.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Aug 20, 2005, 11:47:

are we talking about obesity? or just about normal weight gain when people grow a bit older? Are you the same person you represented yourself to be (especially to her) ten years from now? There's nothing healthy about extreme weight consciousness; it's amongs one of the unhealthiest things that I know. I'm not overweight myself but I'm neither as thin as I was when I was 18 and I don't expect the same from the man I share my life either.

A couple of extra pounds make no difference except for the shallowest of human beings and they wouldn't anyway be worth my time.

Divorce somebody because of a couple of extra inches on the waistline? Cheat on your loved one because she is packing a couple of extra pounds on her body? Unthinkable!

Yes, taking care of your health and appearance is important, even to me, but it shouldn't be the dominant factor in a relationship. That just isn't sane or healthy.

Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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CaryGrant says on Aug 20, 2005, 11:52:

Morphus - sorry, I thought I read that earlier. Most guys want a woman who stays fairly slim and takes care of her health and appearance *for her whole life.* However, that's as rare as a man who does the same. It comes down to the importance each individual places on health - and how open-minded the person is.

I now rarely suggest to people that their diet may be part of the cause of their weight and health problems, because people are very emotionally attached to their food. To those who are open, the rewards can be great. I know diabetics who don't need insulin if they eat properly, for example. If people ask, I will talk about it, but otherwise, they can discuss it with Darwin in the afterlife.

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CaryGrant says on Aug 20, 2005, 12:03:

Desi A. "She was slim when we met but has put on a tremendous amount of weight since then."

B. It may be normal in our society for people to gain weight, often a great deal, as we age. However, I do not believe it is *natural.*

I hope and plan to live to a ripe old age, and I would still like to be active, walking, having sex, travelling, etc. when I'm in my hundreds. :-) And I do not want to have to walk beside my wife in an electric scooter because she has diabetes, joint problems, digestive issues, etc. So yes, it is very important to me, and is a make-or-break decision in a relationship for me.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Aug 20, 2005, 12:22:

ok, I see your point GaryGrant. Let me just ask you this question: are you concerned mainly about your wife's health and mobility or about her cramping your style?

I expect to grow old healthy and mobile too, with an acceptable weight and plenty of energy. I expect no less from my partner. However, if my spouse put on weight because of a medical problem (not from overeating or lack of exercise) I wouldn't be making up strategies on how to get rid of him.

Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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utopiacowboy says on Aug 20, 2005, 12:27:

If you have a spouse who's packing on the pounds, there are other ways to deal with it. I make sure that my wife and I share a lot of physical activity together, walking, running, kayaking, bicycling. She put on a few pounds as a result of her two miscarriages but I am sure with time it will disappear. I would not think of trading her in!

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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CaryGrant says on Aug 20, 2005, 13:19:

In my post, I said: "If you marry someone who turns out not to be who she represented herself to be (that is, someone who cares about her health and appearance, especially to you)...."

I did NOT suggest dumping a spouse due to medical issues, a few extra pounds, or other issues like that. I did suggest confronting, and, if necessary, divorcing a liar. [BTW: "liar" to me includes people whose actions belie their words. Like the guy who beats his wife but claims to "love" her.]

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Diez Y Siete says on Aug 20, 2005, 13:50:

I hate this thread What ever happened to loving whos on the inside? I mean ok so your wife got a little chubby, did you marry her out of love or physical attraction? and telling your wife she is fat is not going to solve anything? if your really concerned, join a gym and ask if she wants to go with you? And this whole Heredity thing i dont believe because my mother is very skinny and tone (never ove 120 lbs) and my father is tone as well, me well im 15 1/2 and struggle to keep my weight at 150lbs. and i exercise way more then both of them together(im on my schools colorguard=4 hours of running and exercising 5 days a week) plus i run everday at home for an hour? genetics just arnt true with the whole fat thing, well atleast not for me, but once again, WHY do yuo care what your wife looks like, just becasue she gained weight means you dont love her anymore? If so im sorry i think you are the one that needs help!

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ws244 says on Aug 20, 2005, 13:50:

weight People put on weight because they eat too much. X amount of calories equals amount of weight. If one wants a fat woman then one finds a fat woman. If one wants a thin woman then one expects a thin woman to stay thin. This "is all" about not cramping ones style, otherwise south american women would not be the big business that it is for gringo men, much to the frustration of the worlds liberated women. If a woman is 150 pounds she is 150 pounds because she eats too much. A woman running 4 miles a day, going to the gym every day, and eating not more than 1300 calories a day does not weigh a 150 pounds unless she is 6 feet tall, and at 6 feet tall she is not fat. Fat equals lazy.

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Diez Y Siete says on Aug 20, 2005, 14:35:

That is not true either My cousin is chubby and short and she is like 7 years old only 3 months younger then my little sister, my cousin will eat maybe a fourth of a sandwich for lunch and then she will go outside and play all day, and my sister will eat 2 sandwiches frech fries and dessert and then she will watch a movie or read a book, so fat doesnt equal lazy! and i dont think 150 is fat! im 150 and i think my body would be un-attractive if i was skinnier, but i still dont see what this man cares that his wife has gained a few pounds, now he has more to love, and i ahte how "american" men met girls in colombia and bring them back here, and they only like them becasue of their looks, not all i realize(must put that before someone yells at me), yes they are beautiful,i have seen, but thats not a reason to marry them! if you marry them becasue they are just beautiful, then maybe you deserve her to get fat? maybe you deserve it because you now realize you cant just live with whats on the inside because you went for the beautiful girl instead of the smart/funny/fun-to-be-around girl? ever thought of that? Maybe YOU deserve this?

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ws244 says on Aug 20, 2005, 15:33:

weight Looking at the thousands of pictures of women on the latin internet sites one sees 95% of the women as not overweight. If being overweight was not important then there would be thousands of pictures of women on the latin internet sites 95% of whom would be overweight. This would also kill the foreign bride business in Colombia. When the day comes i see the reverse then i will believe the saying of the inside being more important than the outside. (always the favorite line of fat women) We are not speaking of a womens figure, but are speaking of her weight.

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Diez Y Siete says on Aug 20, 2005, 15:39:

Is anyone else reading this You ppl are the most compleatly shallow ppl i have met if you are willing to stop loving someone becasue they have gained weight, you should have never have married them just based on looks, girrr, i dont even know how to wite to this! its the worst thing i have heard in the world, no you should not let yourself become obease, but you should atleast still be loved for who you are! especially by your husband! some of theses ppl *cough the one above *cough, i just cant stand ppl like that!

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Aug 20, 2005, 15:48:

dear quinceañera welcome to the wonderful world of mail-order brides! Don't get too upset, though, the majority of the young men around you don't share this extremely egocentric and materialistic view on women. The boys of your generation (being raised up by moms like me:) don't want a wife as a trophy or to boost their own faltering ego. Stay healthy and positive, exercise and watch out for those nasty fats and sugars and you'll be fine, loved and appreciated by the man of your choice.

Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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CaryGrant says on Aug 20, 2005, 16:25:

quinceanera and desi Nobody except you has said anything about marrying or dumping a woman soley because of her appearance. Nobody is talking about gaining a few pounds; we're talking obesity. Why do you insist on presenting it that way? Do you want to "prove" your belief that men are shallow?

Yes, men pay attention to a woman's appearance, just as women look for certain things in men. Sorry, but to an extent this is biological and is therefore not shallow or egocentric. It just is. We evolved to breed, so we subconsciously look for clues that other people are worthy breeding material. Cross-cultural studies have been done in which:

* Men found similar physical traits attractive, and emphasized physical attraction as an important component of overall attraction.
* Women "marry up" in terms of economic and social status.

More bad news: What's on the outside does, to an extent, reflect the inside. Someone who is obese (remember, we're not talking about "a few pounds") either has a medical issue or doesn't care enough about their health and appearance to keep in shape. What man (or woman) wants to be with someone who doesn't care about herself (or himself)? That's what's really inside - your character. If you're heavy and you exercise lots, then change your diet - and I don't mean go on a diet. I don't think it's shallow that most women do not want to date guys with crappy jobs and no ambition.

Frankly, I'm tired of being accused of being shallow because I want a woman who takes care of herself.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Aug 20, 2005, 16:52:

not in my world, CaryGrant * Women "marry up" in terms of economic and social status."

Young wome here are not marrying neither up or down, but on the level. Most young Swedish women marry the highschool sweetheart, the guy next door, the cute guy they met at the university campus or at the job. Money or status don't play a major part in their choice of a mate.

Yes, I consider it shallow to be obsessed by only physical appearances. If we women did the same the world would come to an end, since many of the handsomest guys are not interested in women at all:)

Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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CaryGrant says on Aug 20, 2005, 17:06:

Desi Yes, thank goodness women are not at all "shallow" when it comes to selecting men. That will come as a relief to millions of men, I'm sure. You know, the ones who can't get dates because they have zits, aren't in the "in-crowd," don't have a upwardly-mobile job, are overweight, lack social confidence - but they're all "really nice guys" on the inside.

And I'm also happy to hear that the few/dozen/hundred Swedish women you have experience with have somehow managed to not be like women in other cultures.

But, ultimately I am saddened by this statement: "Yes, I consider it shallow to be obsessed by only physical appearances." It makes clear to me that further discussion on this matter with you is pointless, because, for the third time, this is not at all what I said.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Aug 20, 2005, 17:33:

CaryGrant yes, I guess it would be pointless. I'm sorry though, to have antagonized you, it was not my intention. I guess I just felt bad for quinceañera being so upset when faced with this ruthless world.

I know what you said and if I elaborated a little on that reading what I thought I was able to read betweeen the lines I'm sorry. It did sound like you considered weight being the ultimate turn-off in a prospective wife and if she didn't keep her figure you'd consider several different options for how to get rid of her. You emphasized the fact that if a woman you married as thin put on weight later you'd consider her a liar and "not what she had represented herself to you". I was just pointing out that it may not be that black and white situation.

I work in a field where I get in touch with hundreds of families every year and it's pretty much the accepted norm here that the spouses come from similar backgrounds, with plenty of exceptions, of course. Sometimes the girls marry up, sometimes down, most often on the level. It's not just in this culture it happens, but in most western societies. I wouldn't be much surprised if that were a norm even in Canada and the US.

Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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CaryGrant says on Aug 20, 2005, 17:47:

Desi Excellent post. Thank you.

Here's why I came up with my "heartless" idea:
* The original post said the woman gained a TREMENDOUS amount of weight. Of course, we don't know her height, we don't have before photos, etc., so we all form our own opinion of what TREMENDOUS mean. To me, this says she didn't go from, say, 50 kg to 60kg, but more like 50kg to 80+kg.
* I assumed the poster had not been married very long. Of course, none of us has any way of knowing that, so again, we each made our own assumptions. I assumed that this was not some guy who married a Colombian woman 20 years ago, more likely just a few years.
* That's a LOT of weight in a short time.

Everything I was talking about was in this context. When you or someone got all bent out of shape because we shallow guys ONLY focus on weight, and are obsesed about A FEW pounds, I think you were making entirely different assumptions.

So. I'm talkin' 30+kg in a few years or less. What are you talking about, baby?

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ws244 says on Aug 20, 2005, 18:02:

weight Well Sweden has about the most socialist welfare state system of any country in the world. Swedish women do not need to marry a wealthy rich man as all their people have endless benefits and retirement benefits. Sweden is also one of the most anti immigrant countries in the world.
So if one needs to exercise and run to maintain 150 pounds but then stops and then weighs 200 pounds according to the liberated women on the board, it is still only within that matters. I am sure all of these same women would be thrilled to have their 160 pound son marry a 200 pound woman.

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morphus says on Aug 20, 2005, 18:37:

if you marry a fat woman how do you know if she is only with you because she is fat? if she was thin then she might not like you. if you already have a wife that is gaining a few extra pounds it could be serious. before you know it, she will gain 50lbs. i like slim girls with small appetites that only eat once or twice a day and exercise. thats the type of qualities i would look for when choosing a girlfriend/wife.
i know a lot of couples that been married a long time that love each other but stopped having sex. i don't know how they do it. its also problematic after you get to know your spouses toilet habits. sometimes they smell up the bathroom and walk in on each other. this could be a big turn off.

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cam0940 says on Aug 20, 2005, 19:15:

Not so stupid.... I don't think it's such a stupid thread. My girlfriend has been really thin all her life. Evidently, it's not so cool to be "thin" in Cartagena. She's constantly going on about how her breasts might not be big enough, about how her sisters have bastante nalgas, and I keep telling her that I like the way she looks. She looks normal for Los Angeles, which is where I'm at and where I guess you might say my taste in women (as far as size) developed. So anyway, she's started eating and eating and eating, because her sisters, who are chunky in my opinion, get a lot of attention from men. I haven't seen her in about 2 1/2 months. So last week she got on the webcam and DUDE. She's growing. She actually claims that she thought I was just saying I liked her before to be polite. If the preference in Cartagena is for women a little mas gruesa, it's messing up what to me was a perfect body. Not cool. As far as guys with big stomachs, it's because intestines push out. If you cut someone across the stomach they would just splurge out. The intestinal wall holds them in and gives that "flat" appearance. Of course, the intestinal wall is a layer of muscles. If you don't maintain their strength, with age they will weaken. Particularly for guys who sit at a desk all day, or with a beer in front of the TV. When those muscles are weak, intestines push out, giving you that pregnant look.

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ws244 says on Aug 20, 2005, 20:09:

fat Nothing worse than sleeping with a woman with breast implants. The only way they are ever really comfortable is to sleep on their back. No different than a man trying to sleep on his stomach with partially filled water balloons under him, just not naturally comfortable. At least the liberated women on this board do not believe in breast implants.

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Diez Y Siete says on Aug 20, 2005, 22:06:

i feel slightly better but not much, i still cant believe you could love somone enought to marry them but just drop them if they got fat? did you say"in sickness and in health, till death do us part" ?

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ws244 says on Aug 20, 2005, 23:02:

slightly better Yes the "death do us part" was applicable before "no fault divorce"
equal rights and political correctness laws in the U.S. when the man was still head of the family -- versus today where women have more rights than men in divorce court, or any court for that matter. The above being the main reason for the proliferation of foreign marriage agencies to find real women in life who want to be women wearing a dress and not wearing the pants. There is a difference of being head of the house and head of the family.

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Sylvie says on Aug 20, 2005, 23:22:

Morphus " i like slim girls with small appetites that only eat once or twice a day and exercise. thats the type of qualities i would look for when choosing a girlfriend/wife."

I think this by far takes the prize as dumbest thing written on PBH.

Funny those were the types of qualities my friend was looking for in a pet store while shopping for a pet!

Eating once or twice a day is very very bad for ones body and metabolism. Ask and nutritionist or doctor they'll tell you.

I hope you find those qualities in your future wife and when she's brain dead, like Terry Shiavo, from being poorly nourished at least you can brag to your friends that she only eats once a day!

I wouldn't be surprised if part of your reasoning is so you wont have to spend too much money on food.

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ws244 says on Aug 21, 2005, 06:10:

weight I feel sorry for the 125 pound ST. Benard at the pet store who is just waiting and waiting as no one is willing to spend 100 euros a month on food but rather 25 euros on food for a 5 pound mini poodle, aside from the fact the St. Benard requires a larger bed.
Yes part of the reasoning is money for food as then it eventually requires more money for diet plans, more money for doctors bills, more money for clothes, etc.

Any doctor will say it is better to eat once or twice a day at 1300 calories a day than 3 meals at 4000 calories a day.

This is about being over weight and not about some brain dead person.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Aug 21, 2005, 06:30:

CaryGrant, I was talking about a normal weight gain that's natural as we turn older. I gained about 15 pounds in 10 years not counting the weight gain in my two pregnancies. My eating habits remained about the same but I may have become a little more sedentary or otherwise just too busy with living my life working, studying and with two children and a huge house to mind. Not much time to worry about gyms or exercise programs or being traded in for a slimmer model.

I'm a firm believer in a physically active lifestyle: walking or riding your bike to work or school, taking the stairs instead of an elevator etc. using your body, arms and legs for getting around and getting things done. Exercise programs and regular gym passes are fine for people who sit all day at a desk; swimming and dancing are both fun and good exercise.

Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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viewpoint says on Aug 21, 2005, 08:32:

DANGEL Dangel has not rejoined this tread with any further posts other than his initial post. All of us are just talking to ourselves as he is not present in any further comments, reply posts and/or observations.

I think his "alledged" overweight wife dicovered his comments on this PBH tread and he is no longer with the living.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Aug 21, 2005, 08:47:

right, tinto I was thinking about the same. 1300 calories a day is anorectic. It's also much better to divide your food intake in several small meals over the day, have four of five small meals instead of two huge ones. Tinto's figures for the total recommended calorie intake for men and women are the ones I've seen too. Another thing that messes up your metabolism is eating late at night; I just read something about our bodies not being able to absorb sugars adequately at nighttime, thus all sweets should be avoided after three hours before going to sleep. Our metabolism likes regularity and moderation in everything.

Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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CaryGrant says on Aug 21, 2005, 09:35:

quinceanera and desi Yes, I was talking about a large (20-30kg) weight gain in a few years or less, starting shortly after marriage. That's why I thought the woman was deceptive. She stayed slim only until she "got" a man, and then revealed her true self.

So much of what we call food is really not nourishing at all. For example, pop (soda) has negative nutritional value, and I think people who drink it regularly are being foolish. Same with deep-fried anything, or any non-whole-grain product, or the vast majority of processed foods. These should be occasional treats, not part of our daily - hourly - diet. Eating or drinking alcohol before bed - I agree, not good.

I would imagine it's a struggle initially for Colombian women moving to the US or Canada (don't know about Europe) to maintain a healthy weight, simply because of the eating habits we take for granted. The Japanese, for example, have historically been relatively slim, healthy, and long-lived. However, when they move to the US, they, and their children, soon develop the same weight and health problems as Americans. (The studies I saw were for the US.)

Personally, I have encountered many, many overweight people who will defend their food choices and excess weight to the death (literally) as "normal." I get tired of people trying to make ME feel like the weirdo because I am (relatively) slim and vegetarian (the two can be related).

The vast majority of food companies and restaurants are focused on creating food-like products that taste good, not that are good for you. Hostess, McDonalds, Nestle, Swanson, etc - they could care less if you get fat and unhealthy eating their crap, as long as the dollars keep rolling in.

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ws244 says on Aug 21, 2005, 14:03:

weight Well i am 59 at 5'9" and 185 pounds. If i have more than 1900 calories a day i gain weight. When i was 39 i could have 2200 calories a day without gaining weight. My wife now 45, 5', 97 pounds has about 1300 a day, she is not anorexic, not skinny, and a 100% Spanish Colombiana. One of the reasons for going to Colombia was to find a woman who would have the self discipline, respect, and dress for taking care of herself. Something impossible to find in this politically correct society here.

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Sylvie says on Aug 21, 2005, 14:27:

ws244 "Any doctor will say it is better to eat once or twice a day at 1300 calories a day than 3 meals at 4000 calories a day."

Where did I say that someone should eat 4000 calories a day? PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE I WROTE THAT.....yeah I though so.

Any doctor or nutritionist will tell you that it is stupid to eat once a day because it reduces your energy through out the day. You have to eat atleast three times a day in order to best use your body's energy. Food is energy and if you eat your calories all in 30 minutes you're screwing up your metabolism the remainder of the day.

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ws244 says on Aug 21, 2005, 15:22:

weight Read my post. I made a generic comment about any doctor would much rather see a person at 1300 calories a day than one eating 4000 calories a day. Just as my generic comment about a pet shop and St Benard pet shop comment. One can never win against a liberated woman, just the satisfaction of knowing she will be old and gray someday despising men ever the more. Too bad so many women are educated in everything in life and yet ignoring the fact that men and women are actually different.

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Crazy Eagle says on Aug 21, 2005, 16:04:

this is why I stick to health clubs I meet most of my chicas at health clubs. That way, you know the person has an interest in staying fit. Look forward to joining BodyTech or something similar when I arrive there in Colombia.

"Let there be spaces in your togetherness" Kahil Gibran

"The natural rhythm of life is routine punctuated by orgy" Aldous Huxley

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Diez Y Siete says on Aug 21, 2005, 19:47:

Hmmm What to write, I still dont like the veiws of certain ppl on this thread, i loko more for whats on the inside, yes i guess its nice to find someone who looks nice, but it seems as if you want a woman who is not liberated, a woman who just follows you around and cooks and cleans and is cute and has sex with you always and forever! You basically are saying its ok of us men to "mail order brides"! I totally despise ppl who go to colombia looking for a wife, manage to find "the one" in like 4 months and marry her several months later. yes you could find that special someone, but most likely you only like her because she is slim and tan and hot! I think ppl who do this deserve to have a fat wife! I mean how would you feel if your wife came up to you and said im divorcing you, you got too fat 4 me?

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ws244 says on Aug 21, 2005, 22:50:

Hmmmm Mine does not know how to cook as she grew up in a family with a maid, not unlike many Colombian families.
She is 5 feet and weighs less than 100 pounds and is slim.
She is pure white as she is pure Spanish.
We go to Colombia to find traditional women whom are respectful of men, unlike in our face liberated women from the states and other european countries.
If a 150 pound woman thinks of the inside than one should look for a 250 pound man who probably feels the same. 99% of men under 200 pounds are not interested in heavy women unless they are a wuss in life. Life is not fair and all the political equality laws will not change this fact of life.
If i become fat i did not keep my part of the bargain, and she has a right to do about it as she sees fit.

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Sylvie says on Aug 21, 2005, 23:57:

I find most guys who go to Colombia specifically to find a woman are the ones who had no luck finding one in their own country (could be because they're ugly, poor, or not too wise). They then decide to go somewhere where the women are DESPERATE to live somewhere else.

You can find women who are respectful of men in ANY country. The problem is that some guys have to find them in countries where women would actually want to marry them.

And I find it a bit odd when guys can get “excited� from women who have the bodies of little pre-pubescent boys. Then again I'm not a man so I dont think I'll ever understand that.

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Sylvie says on Aug 22, 2005, 00:12:

by the way WS244. Just last week you had a girlfriend living in Bogota. Now its your wife?

I think someone is fibbing.

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BxUnika says on Aug 22, 2005, 00:16:

Reality Check "She looks normal for Los Angeles, which is where I'm at and where I guess you might say my taste in women (as far as size) developed."

Yeah, but in LA how many of those women who you think look perfect haven't has plastic surgery/lypo?

"She is pure white as she is pure Spanish."

Really? Does she even have a certificate from the Spanish crown saying there is no mestizaje in her family? So what?

"We go to Colombia to find traditional women whom are respectful of men, unlike in our face liberated women from the states and other european countries."

You mean, they accept macho, sexist attitudes like yours. Well, as we've seen here all too much, even a 55 year old fat, balding gringo can get a 5', 95 lb. young, beautiful colombiana who is "respectful" and "traditional" and not liberated like US women for a few years in exchange for a green card and US$$. Who here is the real chump here? You are a questionable charcater with unreasonable expectations for a woman. You have a pint-sized woman whom you can intimidate and feel superior to. Your intentions are pretty clear. If you think I am kidding about young, beautiful girls in Colombia getting with very overweight, not-so-attractive people, you need to look at this page: http://www.sjbearden.com/COLOMBIA.htm.

"If a 150 pound woman thinks of the inside than one should look for a 250 pound man who probably feels the same."

Funny, I'm 150 and 5'8 and have never had a problem with dates. In fact, I went up to 175 and still got plenty of male attention. I have dated a gorgeous Colombian man and am now with an educated, great guy from Bogota for 7 months now. I am glad I have muscular calves (I'll bet mine are better than yours and they are natural), hips, and a colita and don't look emaciated. Then again, you'd probably think a ruler-shaped waif like Twiggy or Paris Hilton with no curves is attractive.

"99% of men under 200 pounds are not interested in heavy women unless they are a wuss in life."

Could we venture to say that most men don't go after only tiny, too-skinny women unless they have a insecurity complex and a need to dominate?

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Sylvie says on Aug 22, 2005, 00:22:

I die a little bit on the inside every time I see a fat balding gringo with a young beautiful colombiana. You can even see the pain in the poor girls eyes.

I don't know what stops them from vommiting when they see these old farts naked in bed waiting for some lovin.

It makes me want to throw money at the girls and scream "save yourself now, take the money and run as fast as you can!"

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quindioman says on Aug 22, 2005, 00:25:

i wonder what the women's take is on a colombian that goes back to find a colombian wife....?

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Sylvie says on Aug 22, 2005, 00:30:

Well if you're Colombian and you want to marry someone of the same nationality as you in order for your kids to be more colombian then its reasonable. Same reason why i'd marry an italian.

But I cant understand how some guys can purposely go out of there way to find a woman who is desperate to leave her country and is willing to marry almost any gringo to do so.

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morphus says on Aug 22, 2005, 01:07:

getting back to calories, it has been proven that less eating increases the life span. most people over a hundred years old eat like birds. so 2 meals a day is healthy if they are well balanced meals.

not every gringo goes to Colombia to meet a wife. i just go for vacation and have a good time. i like meeting different girls and flirting everywhere i go. its fun. its definately easier for me to meet females in Colombia but i still manage to meet decent looking females here in the U.S. yesterday, i was in The Bronx and i met a thin 20y/o Dominicana. i'm an early 30s white guy so thats not bad.

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utopiacowboy says on Aug 22, 2005, 08:25:

Ah, where would we be at PBH without the loser gringos and their loser Colombianas? Even a loser gets lucky sometimes.......

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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ws244 says on Aug 22, 2005, 12:22:

bxunika Yes she is pure Spanish with no metizo. One of about 20% of all
Colombians which was my choice. Nothing wrong with this, i could have gone for any color, this is a mans right in life.
She is small and no plastic surgery.
She is happy to live in Colombia where she does.
I have all my hair at 59 and am not 25 pounds overweight, maybe 10
5'8" and 150 pounds for a woman is at least 25 pounds overweight.
Education has nothing to do with class and character.
Insecure men take what they can get, Secure men get what they want, which does not include liberated women or from the scrap heap.

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Sylvie says on Aug 22, 2005, 13:24:

I smell a fibber. Just last week she was your girlfriend and now she's your wife? And you guys dont even live in the same country?

Odd.

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Sylvie says on Aug 22, 2005, 14:14:

Must point out more stuipidty "If i become fat i did not keep my part of the bargain, and she has a right to do about it as she sees fit. "-WS

With your logic...or shall I say, lack thereof. Any changes that you go through after marriage give her the right to divorce you. So if you age and get even uglier than you were when she married you then she could dump you? Because after all that is not who she married. She married a young guy. When you start to suffer from erectile dysfunction as most aged men do, then she should have the right to dump you because she married a guy who could function. If your hair goes grey or falls out its totally ok to dump you straight away because she married a guy with dark and fuller hair.

And the list can go on....Truth of the matter is that I'm 23 years old and already have discovered that superficial and shallow people are typically the most unhappy and emotionally empty people in the world. You're 59 and you still hold importance on how white and how thin and traditional your "wife" (so you claim) is.

Don't know about you but I've accomplished a lot more in life than just staying slim. Seems rather silly to hold such importance on a few pounds and skin color rather than education, success, achieved goals, friendships, kindness and so on…

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Crazy4Cali says on Aug 22, 2005, 14:50:

Bait and Switch First, there's certainly a difference between "a few pounds" and "ohmygod!" A "few" pounds that normally collect with age are NOT what I'm referring to.

I can sympathize with what appears to be a case of "bait and switch" and I'd be upset as well. WRT the "'til death do us part" comment, I'd say the agreement was entered into fraudulently and that the offending tubster misrepresented her position. That's not too different than outright lying.

But more to the point, what I find unattractive isn't so much the poundage but the attitude of "I don't have to do a damn thing and you still have to love me anyway" that usually accompanies said weight gain. If my "life partner" is eating too much because they are upset or sad or whatever, then fine, let's work it out as partners. If they just turn into a lazy lard-ass because they just don't giva-a-damn, and refuse any attempts to work things out or take care of themselves, then they have already left the partnership even though they might still be wearing the ring. A divorce in that case simply makes that departure official.

Now this is true for either gender. If a woman doesn't like her man's weight gain, then the same things apply, but from what I've seen, the women gaining weight seems to be more of an issue for men, then men gaining weight is for women, but that's just my casual, unscientific observation.

But all this reminds me of the saying:

Men marry women hoping they'll stay the same, but they don't.
Women marry men hoping they'll change, but they don't.

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Diez Y Siete says on Aug 22, 2005, 16:30:

Women are less shallow Well atleast i am! and if 5'8'' and 150 is 25 over wieght then i guess im over weight, im 5'7'' and i weigh 150, butyou would never tell. O well if i spluge every once and a while on a doughnut or on cake? and my bf is a solid 215 and he looks awesome, and i didnt have ANY problems getting him? i Still dissagree with so many ppl on this thread, Yes some men go to colombia and find the "one" and accually love her as a person, but men who go their seeking brides are just UHGGG! And they say they are looking for a "traditional" wife! well all you want is someone who will answer your every command out of sheer fear! I hate seeing colombianos with fat old guys, it just makes me sick! I just want to help them soo bad, because the only reason they stayed with your loser ass was for the green card! So i must say that guys that go to colombia seeking brides, must have a problem getting one here(p.s. there's a reason!), and back to the calories thing, women tend to be nicer about husbands gaining weight, but you do, and even if you dont, as you get older you get fatter, not necessarly gaining "weight". and we accept you for you, and we care about other things then what we see on the outside. I am soo happy that men in my generation are becoming wiser about the women they choose and that they dont have to be the next heidi klum to be loved!

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ws244 says on Aug 22, 2005, 16:44:

weight At 23 young lady you do not even begin to understand about life,
have not accomplished anything except to spout foul language on a public board, condemm any anglo man who go's to colombia, and resent men in general. Life is mortal and as you age you might mellow.
Yes she is white, she is thin, she is 45, she is traditional, does not know how to cook, has had no plastic surgery, and very pretty. It is also somewhat distasteful to focus on her. Yes she is who she is, she lives in Colombia, we have an apartment there, i travel all over the world in my business, and will be there next week.

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Diez Y Siete says on Aug 22, 2005, 16:48:

Ummm..im not 23? Where di you read that? im 15! yes i am young but have gone though MANY life situations and im am mature enough to now when i am wrong or right, and accept when i am wrong, yes you might be right in the ase of your wife, but many guys go to colombian stricly looking for a wife that they can dominate!

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ws244 says on Aug 22, 2005, 16:57:

not 23 The other young 23 year old 2 boards up young lady.

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Sylvie says on Aug 22, 2005, 18:13:

ws244 I haven't accomplished anything in life? Oh really? There isn't enough space on the PBH server to list the things I've accomplished in life. I'm 23 years old completing my MBA with grades that could lead me right into a PhD. I've traveled and worked in many countries and am proud to say that I've contributed to the development to many of those countries I visited. All the work I've done in Africa, Eastern Europe, and South America was done out of my heart. I've been to places where you probably don't even know exist. I've met, hugged, danced and shared stories with the types of people that you could only wish in your wildest dreams that you could meet. I've been to places where I've helped "traditional women" (that you love so much) avoid having their genitals mutilated, helped educated them on HIV/AIDS. I've also helped these traditional women have the right to attend school without getting raped while walking to school. Quite frankly, the reason that many of these women suffer is because they’re being controlled by men who agree with ideas like yours. In my opinion that makes you an awful person, and an awful Christian. Foul language is the least of my concerns while awful and despicable human beings with ideas like yours exist.

Not many people, including one's a lot older than me, can say that they've accomplished and seen as much as I have. I feel darn good about it and I'm proud of it. I truly feel sorry for those people who haven't been as enlightened as me, I really do.

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utopiacowboy says on Aug 22, 2005, 18:18:

Well, I'm a Nobel Prize winner myself.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.