Colombian Prenuptial Agreement, Colombian Spouse Visa, Rentista Visa etc.

Any help on the following issues would be greatly appeciated:

1. Can someone send me (gerry06 at gmail.com) a standard Colombian pre-nuptial agreement (ideally in Spanish and English) that would be filed with a Colombian notary at the time of a civil marriage in Colombia (I understand the terms will vary depending on the understanding between the two spouses but I just need to take a look at what other folks are doing).

2. How long can a Colombia spouse visa holder leave Colombia without losing the visa. I've reviewed all the information on PBH but it is extremely inconsistent. Some people say 180 days per calendar year. Others say 180 days per 12 month period. Others say you can leave as much as you want provided you're not out of Colombia for more than 180 continuous days (i.e. you can leave Colombia for 179 days, return for one day, and the leave for another 179 days). I spoke to the Colombian consulate in San Francisco yesterday and they told me that the visa is valid for the whole period (i.e. two years) and you can't lose it by leaving Colombia (however, I don't believe they are correct). I would be especially interested to hear from those who hold Colombian spouse visas who have traveled outside Colombia since those are the folks who actuallly know how this works from a practical viewpoint.

3. How long is a "Rentista Visa" typically issued for initially? The Colombian consulate told me typically two years. However, what is the experience of other folks? The MRE website says 1 year but it is renewable. Also, does the Rentista Visa have the same restrictions as the spouse visa in terms of how long you can be outside Colombia without losing it?

4. Has anyone entered Colombia as a tourist and had "0 dias" stamped on their tourist visa (as opposed to the typical "60 dias"). It's very strange I know but it happened and I can't find any other information regarding this issue. I guess the implication is that DAS is letting you enter Colombia but you're "illegal" (and subject to the malta / fine) from the first day you enter.

5. Does anyone have contact details for an attorney in the Cali area who speaks good English and specializes in family law. I've been in contact with Estaban R. from Medellin (he's quoted me approximately US $700 to do a pre-nup and I may use his services) and Gary Bala from the U.S. (who told me that his services only apply to folks who want to live in the U.S.), but any referals to someone in Cali would be great too.

Thank you for any insights you can provide!!! Please spare me any other non-factual commentary that is typical on this board (e.g. "why are you getting married if you think you need a pre-nup" ... "get a good Colombia lawyer!" etc etc). After having reviewed all the info on PBH, I'm really looking for facts here which can benefit all of the folks on PBH.

By gerry07 on Mar 25, 12:15 in Visa & paperwork.

guacharaca says on Mar 25, 13:01:

This link might answer your Rentista question (no non-factual commentary at this link). It also tells you what you need to submit in order to apply for the spouse visa. Google translate works well if you Spanish is as poor as mine.

http://www.dafp.gov.co/leyes/D2371_96.HTM

gringoloid says on Mar 25, 13:58:

Bubba's Handy Dandy Prenuptial Agreement:

This here is a potential legal document that ought to be taken serious. It just might be binding in a court of law iffin' it is signed and dated by both parties and yer lawyer.

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For The Man o' The House:

What's mine is mine and that means a wife don't touch, don't snoop through, and by all means don't tell the locals what all we gots and ain't gots.

Property: All buildings, shacks, trailers, sheds, motorized transportation, land, huntin' tools, corn stills, and animals are to stay in the possession of the Man o' The House iffin' the woman goes a wandering off playing in another's pasture.

Child Support: Iffin' they don't look like me, I ain't supporting 'em in the event the wife partakes in wandering off the marital property.

Money: The Man o' The House earns it so he gets to keep it. 'Nough said!

Mother In Law Rules: Must abide by the 500 mile restraining order that will be taken out upon the day of the marriage. Postal mail will be permitted if weekly financial assistance is abided by.

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For The Little Woman:

Iffin' you came into this marriage with clothes on your back and kids from yer previous marriage you get to keep 'em.

Housework: You agree to keep a lookin' good, cook, clean, tend to the land, garden, livestock, keep repairs up on the homestead, and be aimin' to please yer man at the drop of a dime.

Man o' The House Signature:___________________________ Date: _____________

Little Woman's Signature: _____________________________ Date: _____________

Lawyer Signature: ____________________________________ Date: _____________

Saltador says on Mar 25, 14:21:

If you think you need a pre-nup, I don't see why you would even THINK about getting married.
Just kidding, sorry couldn't resist. I'm actually interested in what you'll find out here, and hopefully about 50% of the answers you get will be helpful.
I've had a "rentista" visa twice, both times it expired after one year.

Gator says on Mar 25, 14:27:

I will not "spare"you. Don't be a fool-retain a Colombian attorney for the pre nup!!

I won't bother you with the other answers " Please spare me any other non-factual commentary that is typical on this board..."because you might consider it a WASTE OF YOUR TIME.

Check Decree 2... of 19... as amened by Decree 2... and these will fully answerer all the questions. Oh, I forgot the "please spare me any other non-factual commentary" part so I will.

Note Ignore activated.

"Brevior Sltare Cum Deformibus Mulieribus Est Vita!" .

rumronrum says on Mar 25, 14:33:

If you entered Colombia as a tourist and DAS stamped 0 dias it might be just a computer error and DAS mistakenly documented you as person with a student, medical, or other type of VISA.

For more VISA info check
http://www.medellinvisitorguide.com Good luck on the rest!

RumRonRum

Frank Rizzo says on Mar 25, 19:59:

Listen to Gator, and never let 'em move in. EVER.... make sure they have a rental contract (lease) in their name at another location and you have a copy of it....the lease must always be current.... employ them at the min 500k cop per month, pay the health insurance and the liquidation.....make them employees.....with signed yearly agreements...forever...make no exceptions for love..... IMO

jonas says on Mar 26, 09:41:

1) never tell her where you live
2) never, ever, let her see you sober
3) it´s not mine!

What I have, I do not want to lose, but Where I am I do not want to stay, but those I love, I do not want to leave, but those I know I no longer want to see, but Where I die, I do not want to go;I want to stay where I have never been

robi666 says on Mar 26, 10:53:

4) I don't have a cell phone. This? It has an international number.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

jonas says on Mar 26, 12:14:

5) foreigners never lie

Frank Rizzo says on Mar 26, 12:24:

6) foreigners as in Colombians or Gringos...jajajajaa