Colombian Music vs. Pink Floyd

de pronto says on Jan 9, 2008, 10:27:

Tejasmarcos I believe that music as well as some other art forms have something to do with the kind of life where art is created, as Oscar Wilde's aphorism said, " Life imitates art far more than art imitates Life"

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britabroad says on Jan 9, 2008, 10:39:

Interesting.
After a New Years Eve party at home here in Colombia I sat down and listened to Coldplay - in complete contrast to El Gran Combo et al, which had been blaring out at the party earlier, and wondered the same thing.
My wife says it has something to do with the weather - hot = happy and lively, cold = miserable and slow.
However, I´ve heard some pretty miserable sounding ballads here in Colombia too, so I´m not sure about that. I also know some Colombians who love Pink Floyd and Coldplay.
Maybe it´s just that different cultures/countries traditionally like different genres of music. Also, it seems that music is far more important to many Colombians than it is in the UK, for example. It´s more of a part of life here.
There are some lively, happy rock tunes out there too, as well as those crap ´party´ type songs we all hate but dance along to like an epileptic frog when we´ve had a skinful. (´The Birdie Song´& �gadoo´immediately spring to mind) Ahhh, memories.

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Robert Jorge says on Jan 9, 2008, 10:42:

tejasmarcos - first, let me say you raise a good point. But, Pink Floyd is English. lol

And there is very popular music in Colombia that is pretty damn sad too. I had never seen grown women cry while singing along to a song, until I lived in Colombia. I believe she is Mexican, but I saw women openly crying while listening to Rocio Durcal.

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de pronto says on Jan 9, 2008, 10:48:

RobertJorge Rocio Durcal is not mexican she was spaniard but she sang songs written by a mexican songwriter Juan Gabriel, the most famous song is "amor eterno"

=)

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Man Tequila says on Jan 9, 2008, 11:01:

Life for your average Colombian is often difficult and unfair. Many live in poverty, have difficulty filling their bellies, work long hours pero gana una misería. Since many people are in this situation, (1) families and communities are more close-knit and (2) music is an important form of escape and expressing frustration. Colombian music may sound upbeat but the words are often less happy.

Life for your average American may be unfair but is not difficult. Poverty often means driving an old car, only having a small television and an old washing machine. Some people have it worse, of course. But communities are often not close knit, many people barely know their neighbours, perhaps more so in wealthier communities. Music is a less important form of escape, and more songs express rage or ennui rather than happiness or even frustration. Funny how everything goes towards a balance; many of the insecure people I know are the ones who would seem to have the most advantages -- including the wealthiest, smartest and best looking folks.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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tejasmarcos says on Jan 9, 2008, 11:02:

I just kinda thought as a general societal statement that unhappy people gravitate more toward "down" music and happy people gravitate toward "up" music. Colombia being one of the happiest on the planet, it made me think a bit.............

Kinda weird, because I like both. It is akin to sweet and sour...........


Man Teq - interesting thoughts......

BB - I only realized as well after listening to upbeat music all day that day. The stark contrast from one to the other is what made me think of it.

However, I do think that the words to some of these songs are not as happy as their musical counterpart. I wouldn't necessarily know that though....

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Robert Jorge says on Jan 9, 2008, 11:05:

I wasn't necessarily disagreeing with you tejas. And good thread topic by the way.

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tejasmarcos says on Jan 9, 2008, 11:09:

RJ - I know, bro. Also, I am a big fan of all the great music that has come out of GB since the Beatles and BG's. The only reason I would want to live in London is for the amazing music scene.

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Robert Jorge says on Jan 9, 2008, 11:22:

Off topic a little, but speaking of English bands, I found out Robert Plant lives 10 miles from me here in Florida. A girl I work with and her husband drank beer with him at a local bar. I need to get out more!

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tejasmarcos says on Jan 9, 2008, 11:29:

Plant is a cool cat. He stays pretty active in the music scene.

I think John Gillis (aka Jack White) has the hot hand right now (has for a while). They seem to spend alot of time in the England area as well. I know his model wife is English, but they play an inordinate amount of gigs in the area.

If I saw Gilmour in Colombia, I would definitely have to buy him a shot of guaro! That 2006 performance is pretty awesome. I actually went ahead and bought the CD/Video.

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Albatross says on Jan 9, 2008, 12:01:

Gilmour may be a bit dark... but compared to Syd Barrett, he's bloody Mary Poppins.

I think the biggest difference though, is that Rock is "head" music, whereas Latin is more "body" music.
Rock gets you to think... Latin music gets you to move.

I think a better comparision to Latin music music would be Hip-Hop or R&B... or 1950's rock and roll.

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tejasmarcos says on Jan 9, 2008, 12:04:

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kalder says on Jan 9, 2008, 12:49:

Britain produces plenty of miserablist rock music, but lighter, upbeat pop music has always been far more popular with the ordinary punter. One example is that of The Beatles: their earlier danceable stuff made them considerably more money over here than did their later avant-garde output.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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JoseRamone says on Jan 9, 2008, 13:02:

All the "Rock" I ever heard in Colombia was published before 1980. Things like Elton John, REO Speedwagon, and other really questionable stuff. Like, oh, this is your CD collection? Were you stuck in a time warp?

At least Roger Waters came to play.

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manINred says on Jan 9, 2008, 13:07:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_mUXwnEWEnE&feature=related

"the beatles bring happiness and joy to the world" says a chicago fan. Ironically they also cause hundreds and thousands of people to burst into tears and epiplectic fits.

And they do like the Beatles, Pink Floyd, et al. in Colombia, but traditional Colombian music wins out in the end.

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juli says on Jan 9, 2008, 13:11:

They say art imitates life

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manINred says on Jan 9, 2008, 13:13:

As for Pink Floyd, they were a very pensive band. Roger came to play in Bogota, he sold out didn't he? Very well respected all around the world, Pink Floyd are. From the psychedelic Barret era of Piper to the 83s a Final Cut, what a fantastic group, very moving music, regardless if you don't get up and dance to it.

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Simon says on Jan 9, 2008, 13:27:

Colombian music is awesome!!!

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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Simon says on Jan 9, 2008, 13:27:

Colombian music is awesome!!!

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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juli says on Jan 9, 2008, 13:37:

Colombian music is awesome!!!

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juli says on Jan 9, 2008, 13:37:

You can say that twice

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Man Tequila says on Jan 9, 2008, 13:41:

No one is arguing that Pink Floyd isn't great. I love it all.

It's not just music. I went to an art exhibit in Bogota last year at the modern art museum. It was not spectacular by global standards. They had a full floor of people writing the word Colombia using sombreros vueltiaos, cups of coffee, local icons, stylized letters. At the time, I thought, "I like graphic design and these are some good examples. But my overall impression of this modern art museum is that it is medicore". Whereas I love Colombian music.

I have been to lots of other modern art museums, and seen stuff I liked more. Seen works more technically complex and costly. These museums tend to focus on industrial themes, man losing his place in society, chaos and discord, entropy, use a lot of technology, deviant sex and pretentious blather. You do not often see work in modern art museums that is upbeat or even has a positive message about society. Better to shock the bourgoisie with piss and bodily fluids and insulting the president or flag or religious figure or some other thing that was a sacred cow fifty years back. More meaningful. Win the appreciation of the critics and your fellow artists and do the Artist's dance described so well by Tom Wolfe. (Discover me! See my message and make me rich! But until then, me and my buddy artists say F*** ***! We don't want your money! Oh, how I wish I was rich and famous!)

But then I thought, why can't even modern art be uplifting? It made me see the Colombia exhibit in a much more positive light. Most music these days does not even try to be uplifting, and when it does the result is a saccharine laden Twinkie, like Blunt's "You're Beautiful", or the empty egotism of hip-hop. And I LIKE this music. But there is merit in feeling good about something, even if it is simple. And this is the genius of Colombian music. None of the misogyny of Nickelback or tortured ennui of Nirvana. It is music you can dance and sing along too.

No one describes the drudgeries of existence better than Pink Floyd, and The Wall and Wish You Were Here make you feel better since the description is so good, the music so clever, the fact you are not on trial in the theater tonight makes your position better than those up against the wall. You feel better because others are brought low. With Colombian music, you feel better because other people sing along and dance and this brings people together.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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manINred says on Jan 9, 2008, 13:51:

Insightful post.

But take away the dreariness (or not as the case sometimes is) of the lyrics of Floyd, strip all that away, and you still have music that moves you. The (for example) final cut is masterful regardless of the simplicity of the music and you are still left in wonder.

And I think there is a saccharine aspect of Colombian music too, some of it is downright awful, but some of it is downright magical too.

Music is as subjective as it gets I guess.

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tejasmarcos says on Jan 9, 2008, 14:03:

What are the impressions here of GREAT Colombian artists and what genre of music are they? I am trying to expose myself to more of the local thoroughfare......


"You feel better because others are brought low. With Colombian music, you feel better because other people sing along and dance and this brings people together"


BTW - interesting viewpoints Man Tequila.

did, did you ever wonder why we had to run for shelter in the promise of a brave new world and fell beneath a clear blue sky?

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manINred says on Jan 9, 2008, 14:09:

Well Rubito the point of Floyd varied over the years and varied within the band. Richard Wright's account of the point of Floyd will vary with Rog's account... although lyrically Roger was the authoritative architect. Musically I enjoy Floyd, so feeling better after listening to good music is hardly a sin ;) regardless of the bleak message of the music.

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Simon says on Jan 9, 2008, 14:15:

Somehow Juanes and Shakira are noticably absent from that list, he he.

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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Simon says on Jan 9, 2008, 14:20:

Also great are the recently deceased Rodolfo Aycardi, Lucho Bermudez, La Sonora Dinamita, Pastor Lopez (a Venezuelan but his music was all Colombian), Lisandro Meza, and Alfredo Gutierrez.

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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tejasmarcos says on Jan 9, 2008, 14:21:

Rubito - how the heck do I get my hands on some of those juicy melodies? I have only heard of Mr. Vives in that whole grouping. Do you personally have all of those recordings?

Simon - ditto.

Any way to file share some of it? I guess there is no threat of getting your system infiltrated by the US government because they are all local artists to Colombia, right? Heck, I would buy some of that if I could figure out where to go and sample it...........

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Jan 9, 2008, 14:54:

MT, "You're Beautiful" may be sweet as a Twinkie, but it ends "I will never be with you."

Muy profundo.

;-)

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Man Tequila says on Jan 9, 2008, 15:14:

I was packing a lot of deep and insightful points into a brief post. You can pick at the crust, but you still have to eat your meat or you can't have any pudding.

I acknowledged that Colombian music may sound upbeat but the words are often less happy. I have at least vague familiarity with half of the bands Rubito discusses, well the last half of them, anyway.

I feel better after listening to The Wall, not because of its themes of Big Brother, isolation and alienation etc. but the fact that the music and words are so damn clever. And in fact it ends on a slightly upbeat note -- ther bleeding hearts and artists make their stand. You can easily feel better after alienation if it is happening to someone else, and Roger Waters will take that in stride. If your society is as bleak as Waters, hearing that other people have that problem or understand dystopiae is also cathartic. So is talking about your depression.

And The Wall is even MORE profund than the James Blunt guy who thinks life is brilliant and who is f 'ing high to boot. Says he has a plan but has no plan. Thinks his love is pure since the girl is pretty, it's about as bad and profound as "Loving you is easy cuz you're beautiful"... empty words for an empty culture.

Even many of the songs about being betrayed (Pasame la Botella, sure its Panamanian) or vallenatos about rejected love, or in memory of X, etc. are songs you can sing along and dance too. You can talk about how reggaeton is different or some Colombian musicians play dreary tunes that sound like Fluke or Slayer or Creed or any band from Anytown USA. But this music is a minority of the music Colombians themselves listen to -- the Colombians I met, no musicians, seemed to think of bands like CCR as "hard rock".

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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Man Tequila says on Jan 9, 2008, 15:27:

My favourite album is Wish You Were Here. It's mainly instrumental, Pink Floyd uses words brilliantly but does not need them. These words touch my very soul, for reasons I need not say here.


So, so you think you can tell Heaven from Hell,
blue skies from pain.
Can you tell a green field from a cold steel rail? A smile from a veil?
Do you think you can tell?

And did they get you trade your heroes for ghosts?
Hot ashes for trees? Hot air for a cool breeze?
Cold comfort for change? And did you exchange
a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage?

How I wish, how I wish you were here.
We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl,
year after year,
running over the same old ground. What have we found?
The same old fears.
Wish you were here.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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Colombiche says on Jan 9, 2008, 15:51:

"Fruko Y Sus Tiesos- more salsa from Cali."

Jajajajaja, fruko y sus tiesos... jajaja.

It's fruko y sus tesos, "teso" is a paisa word for "duro", "chevere", "hardcore" as in "ese man es un teso".

Tieso is a stiff person that can't move.

And fruko is paisa, I know some of his relatives up here in Toronto.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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manINred says on Jan 9, 2008, 16:08:

"Teso" is a paisa word??? I've been throwing it around like it is real Spanish... haha, the things you learn. But then again, it is real spanish, the best there is :)

MT, agreed, Wish You Were Here is one phenomenal piece of work.

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morphus says on Jan 9, 2008, 17:22:

Rubito is back :)

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Bam Bam says on Jan 9, 2008, 17:34:

Sepultura anyone?

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eywed says on Jan 9, 2008, 18:08:

Took Pink Floyd to bring Rubito out the shadows!

Ay Hombe!!!!!

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Man Tequila says on Jan 9, 2008, 18:47:

I am not a musician and respect Rubito too much to argue with his personal experience. But I can say I have rarely heard rock outside of Bogota, and not all that much there. I certainly don't recall hearing Du Hast or black metal or anything from Stormblast while in Bogota. But they do have a fondness for Boney M in Cali that I lack, and completely fail to understand.

Man, these paisas love the little mistakes, eh? Tieso. One paisa busted a gut when I ordered a piece of chocolate "tuerta" at Juan Valdez. It's not like they had Polyphemus, Leela or One Horned Flying Purple People Eater Cake on the menu.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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Man Tequila says on Jan 9, 2008, 18:56:

Last two times I went to Colombia what was popular, especially in Bogota was "Esta Vida". There's a depressing song, all that dark talk about death and being erased from the list. ;)

Some Colombians may hate that, but most of the ones I met did not. The younger Colombians I met preferred reggaeton or 80s New Wave stuff. They are not professional musicians who would presumably seek out a wider range of music and have a more jaundiced ear.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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gabolicious says on Jan 9, 2008, 19:08:

oh no! MT that song is so beautiful "esta vida"... it is about enjoying the little things of life "primer traguito de cafe", "sentir como el sol se asoma en mi ventana" "y besar a mi mujer"... I think it is a song to celebrate life...

Elección no canonización....

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Man Tequila says on Jan 9, 2008, 19:11:

I like the song a lot. I saw Celedon in concert. But it is hardly the bleak music that Rubito claims Colombians are embracing.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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gabolicious says on Jan 9, 2008, 19:13:

I see...

=)

Elección no canonización....

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Lisa Zee says on Jan 9, 2008, 20:18:

I - L- O -V -E- PINK FLOYD !!!!!!!!!!! I have not read all this post but it must be good if it is about P.F.
I am on vacation in Miami, so I have not been around here for a while. I am 3 hours from Medellin only!!

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PALEOLITICO says on Jan 9, 2008, 21:24:

I like Pink Floyd very much!!

Enseñame a enseñar.

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scotty says on Jan 9, 2008, 21:31:

I was walking through uni-centro mall in Cali one afternoon, the back ground music was of course salsa and other latin music, then all the sudden what do i hear Elvis Presley singing Don't Be Cruel.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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scotty says on Jan 9, 2008, 21:33:

hey Rubito welcome back man! hows our favorite PBH musician doing these days?

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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tejasmarcos says on Jan 9, 2008, 21:35:

Rubito - I'm gonna have to research some of those Colombian artists you mention.

Whatcha think of this chit?

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Lcacique says on Jan 9, 2008, 22:47:

Wow, no mention of Aterciopelados, Bloque (members of La Provincia: the band for Carlos Vives), or Ekhymosis.

I listened to Led Zep in a bar in Ibagué.

How about Sidestepper? They're kind of a multicultural outfit with members from Colombia.

I Love Manu Chao (I know he is not from Colombia, but he has been known to credit the country for influencing his sound): he deals with all kinds of subject matter with latin, ska, reggae, punk influenced music. His old band, Mano Negra, was great as well.

As has been mentioned throughout the post, there is a wealth of good music in Colombia and many styles.

As for Colombians not liking depressing music, I disagree. They listen to a ton of Mexican Rancheras: music that is listened to while slitting one's wrists. In addition, as pointed out above, many Colombian songs are quite depressing and deal with heavy subject matter.

Hoy se nota en la floresta un ambiente de alegría. ¡Y el rumor de ranchería es mas dulce y sabe a fiesta!

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eywed says on Jan 9, 2008, 22:54:

What insturment do you play Rubito?

Ay Hombe!!!!!

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scotty says on Jan 9, 2008, 23:51:

Rubito, want to see a very cool guitarist from the 1950's. he made this song popular in 1958 . check out two excellent videos of him on you tube

www.youtube.com
search engine
Link Wray-Rumble (11/3/84) (5)

and

www.youtube.com
search engine
Link Wray 1978

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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tejasmarcos says on Jan 10, 2008, 04:24:

Viva Urban Organica - really fokin nice bro. I guess the ladies voice is Amy Douglas? Wow, can she carry the notes! It sounds like Koko Dozo is being received well, felicitaciones.

Suerte Febrero 23 at NACOTHEQUE - sounds like a cool place. Their mini mix is pretty trippy.

I'm checkin out the Rubio mix now over a nice cup of Colombian tinto. Is it too early for a martini?

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Lisa Zee says on Jan 10, 2008, 06:59:

We have a DVD of one of Roger water`s concerts couple of years back, and he has in his band `un guitarrista Colombiano`!!! I was very happily surprised!

Great post tejasmarcos!

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tejasmarcos says on Jan 10, 2008, 07:18:

Lisa Zee - the guy playing the double bass (i think that is what it is) at Gilmours Royal Albert Hall gig is Colombian. He announced him during the performance, but I cannot remember the guys name.

Which DVD was that LZ?

* I am still listening to Rubio's creations. I like the way he explained the different songs on the "Entre Noche y Dia". This is a nice touch and gives insight on the artists thinking behind the songs. I also like how the songs genre are stated when you download them. I am new to Salsa, Merengue and Tribal. It helps me to learn the differences between the sounds when I know what I am listening to. So far I like Bronx Lullaby & LaGatica alot from the previous recordings. Pa La Lucha is really cool from Audioplasm's "Heavy Meadow" and that industrial heartbeat from Koko Dozo's "The Heart" is really trippy with it's hard driving 1,2,3,4 beat. I am starting to pick up the Tribal influence in that song as well - well done. I will be downloading more from Heavy Meadow from Amazon today and waiting on the Koko Dozo release. I love the new sounds. Very cool.

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tejasmarcos says on Jan 10, 2008, 07:22:

I would like to find more live music options in Medellin and see what is brewing on the streets. That's where most of the talent is anyways. However, it seems that Bogota is the real heart of the emerging music scene in Colombia. Is that a correct assumption?

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Man Tequila says on Jan 10, 2008, 09:57:

Spooky is thinking that a good mother-in-law, black burro, chiva and snowfall constitute a good year. All things considered, I like the B-tribe version of Nanita better. ;)

Bogota is the only place in Colombia that enjoys rock music. I don't think I heard a single death metal song there, but I didn't make it to too many rock clubs at 2am. I also laugh when people call Bogota cold. Heck, in Cali they think the rolas are "gorditas". Guess they've never been to the Mandarin. ;)

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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Lisa Zee says on Jan 10, 2008, 11:35:

Hey Tejasm, you are wright, it was at that concert. we also have a Roger Waters DVD, this one was recorded here in the USA. I guess I got conused. I can`t check the Colombian`s guy name because I am not home.

I have the original movie "The Wall", one of my all times favorite!.

It is so funny to listen to Colombians going crazy with PF, even young ones know about PF, we brought the DVDs and some PF music last time we were there, and my family ( the young ones) wanted to listen everytime they came to visit us at the finca.

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Colombiche says on Jan 10, 2008, 12:33:

"A young Colombiche was at that gig. :P"

Cali Aleman in Toronto? Don't recall being there, how long ago was this? Did we really meet back then? Must have been like 14 at the time, what were you doing hanging out with a 14 year old baby you perv? Hahaha.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Colombiche says on Jan 10, 2008, 12:46:

Anyhow, there are a few colombians who are into hard rock. I used to know some death metal heads, and there used to be quite a few colombian death metal bands back in the 90's, I remember a CD came out called colombian connection it was all death metal. I really could never stand that noise but I know there are some misguided chibchombianos who enjoy that ruckus.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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David Pristupa says on Jan 10, 2008, 13:55:

What bothers me about English pop and
country music is the trite lyrics. These
songs are about bad relationships that
could be fixed or broken up. People have a
chip and don't want to let go. The
music itself might be Ok but the stories
are shallow and subtract from the quality
of the music that might be present.

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Man Tequila says on Jan 10, 2008, 14:03:

There are good lyrics and bad lyrics. Not every song tells a story.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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Lcacique says on Jan 10, 2008, 16:02:

Manu's band is great live. They have a tendency to completely change the songs live, playing them at different speeds, etc. Sometimes they will begin a song, go into another, then come back to the original. Often the songs bleed together with no breaks. I saw them a few months back and it was incredible.

Hoy se nota en la floresta un ambiente de alegría. ¡Y el rumor de ranchería es mas dulce y sabe a fiesta!

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Man Tequila says on Jan 10, 2008, 22:40:

I know reggae, trance, electronica and most types of music are big in Colombia. I've heard some rock in Colombia, but far more in Bogota. I've heard a little metal in Bogota, but nothing very black (which is fine with me). I can only relate what I hear, obviously as a musician you are more into certain scenes than I am.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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christobeldawg says on Jan 10, 2008, 22:44:

I heard no rock there, but alot of electronica, trance, etc... They all seemed familiar with classic rock stuff from the US and Britain, but they didn't seem nearly as interested in that as with their own stuff

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

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Man Tequila says on Jan 10, 2008, 23:38:

Except for Boney M, what is up with that?

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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kalder says on Jan 11, 2008, 04:36:

I bought 'Night Flight to Venus' back in 1979.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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Chelesupercono says on Jan 11, 2008, 04:44:

Comparing Colombian music to Pink Floyd......laughable at best......the next Dark Side of the Moon..? HA HA

never go to bed with someone crazier then you are, you will do it and you will regret it.......

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Albatross says on Jan 11, 2008, 06:36:

There is no dark side of the moon... as a matter of fact, it's all dark.

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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Robert Jorge says on Jan 11, 2008, 06:38:

Then what is the part of the moon that we see at night? It looks pretty bright to me.

BEWARE of gold diggers.

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Colombiche says on Jan 11, 2008, 06:56:

"It was the Miss Latin America Toronto pageant 1997"

Ah hahaha. Did you play with Anthony V y su escalada?

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Chelesupercono says on Jan 11, 2008, 07:40:

Thanks Albatross for confirming my comments above........laughable indeed.......lol

never go to bed with someone crazier then you are, you will do it and you will regret it.......

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manINred says on Jan 11, 2008, 08:59:

"Comparing Colombian music to Pink Floyd......laughable at best......the next Dark Side of the Moon..? HA HA"

Actually I beg to differ. I recently encountered some Brazilian prog that blew my mind, fantastic stuff. I forget who it was, but will find out later today as I plan on picking up their album. And Brazil isn't necessarily a country that you'd associate with great prog, considering the big players are mostly English (Gabriel, Hackett, Fripp, Emerson et al, Squire, Moraz, Wakeman etc...). I've heard some interesting music in that respect from Colombia as well, more rock-oriented than proggy, but I'll bet it exists.

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manINred says on Jan 11, 2008, 09:01:

Actually, I retract that, Moraz was Swiss I believe. Italy has some great prog too. Colombia not a big player at all, but I'd hazard a guess that it has been done, in fact I know that there are some proggy-sounding bands from Colombia that I've heard (the Coffeemakers are rock, but have some funky elements in there, for example)

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manINred says on Jan 11, 2008, 09:29:

Wow, the things you learn! Why Salvador of all places? I don't know much about Moraz outside of Relayer and a couple solo albums, but a gifted man he is.

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tejasmarcos says on Jan 12, 2008, 07:28:

Here is some latin influenced (more Mexican) rock and roll from Austin, Texas. These guys do a great job live! They originally hail from Alabama. I would like to learn more about the promotion business as I think this country (Medellin or Bogota) could appreciate alot of N. American artists. The video was restricted from embedding;

These guys signed with Sony for a while, but were dropped. Sometimes talent (and fanbase as these guys have a large fanbase) just isn't enought to really make it big in music. There must be a huge political side to music that most of us listeners do not see or hear;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9laPZ-rN-g

www.vallejomusic.com

This is some of their older stuff. It is called "If I was President", very funky with great lyrics. It was shot at one of the best venues in Austin for live music called Antones;



Heres some "Rock Americano"!

trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine...

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tejasmarcos says on Jan 12, 2008, 07:54:

Man, I miss the live music scene!

trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine...

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