colombian music recommendations

Rubiazo says on May 14, 2006, 23:02:

My favorite is Joe Arroyo.

For more salsa, there is Grupo Niche and Cali Alemán, among others
For cumbia there is Alquimia and Sonora Dinamita among others.

For musica llanera, my fave is Luis Silva.

For vallenato, ask somebody else, I'm not really up on my vallenato artists. :P

quindioman says on May 15, 2006, 05:54:

here's a few vallenato artists Jorge Celedon
Los Diablitos Colombianos
Los Chiches Vallenatos....erm, that's it for now.....maybe the costenos can chip in...it is their music after all.

Aji1 says on May 15, 2006, 07:51:

Carlos Vives, more of a rock sound sometimes. Alejandro Duran for some classic vallenato.

Gomezman5 says on May 15, 2006, 09:01:

rubiazo......uh pardon me But, your choices for Cumbia question your taste, and your knowledge of the Cumbia in general

1. Alquimia is NOT a group know for its Cumbia. In fact, Cumbia is not the music they play period. Try Salsa...

2. If Sonora Dinamita is your idea of good Cumbia, then Lucho Bermudez and Edmundo Arias are rolling over in their graves. I'll even go so far as to say that Dinamita is more popular in Mexico than on Colombia because their version of Cumbia sounds almost like Mexico's version......and need I say more about how miserable the cumbia is from Mexico with the accent on those electric guitars of theirs. The Mexican play Cumbia about as well as they dance to it....again pretty lousy.

Colombiche says on May 15, 2006, 09:12:

For starters Try the originals, straight from the master: Lucho Bermudez. "Colombia Tierra Querida" (again the original version sung by Matilde Diaz). I believe that could very well be our National Anthem.

If you want to hear classics, go for "La Negra Grande de Colombia" or "Claudia de Colombia".

Vallenato, start off with Rafael Escalona, he is almost like the father of modern-day vallenato. My favorite Vallenato song, is "Los Caminos de la Vida" by Omar Geles. Most vallenatos have become popular because dominican bachateros have slaughtered them.

I agree with Gomez take on Mexican cumbia. Mexican cumbia lacks the rich, african percussion that gives Colombian cumbia its flavour.

Salsa, start off with Niche, Grupo Guayacan, Joe Arroyo (the latter encompasses many genres).

You have to check out "soy colombiano" as sung by Lizandro Mesa. Although this is originally a cachaco song, he gives it an entirely new flavor by playing it cumbia style. For modern day, pueblo cumbia try Lizandro Mesa, Aniceto Molina.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

Gomezman5 says on May 15, 2006, 09:30:

Very Good choices Colombiche.....except I have to make a minor correction....something I have done myself.
Our fine accordian player Lisandro is spelled with a "Z".......
Lisandro MeZa.

Also......Rubiazo, Colombia's contribution to musica llanera is limited. Actually, there are only 3 departments in Colombia where the music originates from and those are Meta, Arauca, and Casanare. This music has much more roots in Venezuela than Colombia, and like I have said about Salsa being mainly music from Puerto Rico, with some incidental contributions from Colombia, the same can be said of llanera. For the best of the best, there is one Venezuelan artist that no Colombian can compare to and he is: Reynaldo Armas. His music, no matter what style (even llanera has different styles within it) is really something to hear. And he has more discs than......any llanera artist that I know of. He is to llanera in Venezuela, what Grupo Niche is to Salsa in Colombia.....a real legend.

http://www.reynaldoarmas.net/Index2.htm

johna says on May 15, 2006, 09:36:

Great thank you all for the recommendations. One question though what does this mean; "Most vallenatos have become popular because dominican bachateros have slaughtered them."
And what does vallenatos music sounds like? Are there lots of brass insturments? I will check out the recommendations.

Miguel says on May 15, 2006, 10:00:

Mis 2 centavos Vallenato (accordian driven for johna)...Diomedes Diaz, Los Hermanos Zuleta, Silvestre Dangond, Peter Majarres.

While starting off playing Vallenato, Carlos Vives is in another place now, but I enjoy him and his band is hotter than rats in a cane fire. I also like the recent stuff from Andres Cabas.

Colombian salsa I like includes El Grupo Niche, Joe Arroyo, and Guayacán. Their latest single "Ay amor cuando hablan las miradas" es superbacanisima" (i.e., it kicks major ass)

oldbongo says on May 15, 2006, 10:05:

let's not mention.. multiple grammy winner juanes...

and the father of vallenato is pacha rada.

see the movie.."the devils' accordion"

Miguel says on May 15, 2006, 10:27:

Thanks oldgringo I spaced on Juanes...maybe because I thought he was a "given", but glad you mentioned him.

Colombiche says on May 15, 2006, 10:30:

I referred to Escalona Not as the father of vallenato, but as the father of modern day vallenato.

Bachateros slaughter vallenatos, because they sound really annoying when they play them as bachata. The accordion solos are gone. This is just my opinion.

Gomez, thanks for the spelling correction, but I have also seen it widely spelled as "Mesa" just google "Lisandro Mesa" and see how many hits come up.

Gomez, maybe it's true that Venezolanos have more in the realm of musica llanera than Colombians, but for us musica llanera is just about 10% of our national musical mosaic, while for Venezolanos llanera is their "musical" main course.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

oldbongo says on May 15, 2006, 10:37:

let's not mention.. la champeta..

Miguel says on May 15, 2006, 10:38:

"Gomez, thanks for the spelling correction" Pigs are now flying and hell has frozen over!

Just kidding, G5 and Colombiche.

Miguel says on May 15, 2006, 10:41:

G5 y Colombiche On my browser I cannot view the last line of my post which said:

"Just kidding...I enjoy your opinions on music"...or something along that line.

Colombiche says on May 15, 2006, 10:42:

imaginate.... Los pajaros tirandole a las escopetas, ¿a que esta llegando este mundo? :)

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

Miguel says on May 15, 2006, 10:44:

Oye old gringo... The dance instructor that convinces fans of reggaeton to dance la champeta will be the next Arthur Murray/John Travolta.

kernow62 says on May 15, 2006, 11:17:

Excellent choices as always G5.

I would add Los Gaiteros de San Jacinto as well as Alfredo Gutierrez.

I like some of the older stuff by Policarpo Calle too.

For Colombian rock/pop I like Arterciopelados very much.

Gomezman5 says on May 15, 2006, 11:32:

Thanks....Kernow and ....I agree with your additions.


Colombiche,,,,,,I see what you mean. And as I so often do, I agree with your contention about the degree of genre (percentage wise) llanera is to Colombia versus Venezuela.

I have often told people that I know of few countries in the world that has the variety of music that Colombia has.

oldbongo says on May 15, 2006, 11:34:

those gaiteros blow a mean flute... and don't forget junior bombastik...smooth san andres.

Colombiche says on May 15, 2006, 11:48:

I think finally I am starting to bring out the little papa criolla-eating colombiano arrebata'o that lives very deep inside gomezman. It was hard painstaking work, but I feel like I just achieved the unachievable at least for a few minutes. Soon enough he will be back to being his old self, but it is fun to watch the while it lasts.

If colombianox could see this, his chest would burst with pride.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

gato-bandido says on May 15, 2006, 12:10:

champeta I'll let the experts around here correct me, but I have the impression that the traditional champeta criolla has little in common with the modern imitation, which is more like reggaeton/hip-hop type stuff.

Try Champeta Criolla 2 CD set, and also the Radio Bakongo album by Batata y Su Rumba Palenquera. The old guy was Toto la Momposina's drummer for many years, and this was his only own album.

For some seriously old stuff try Los Corraleros de Majagual (my favorite lately), also Cuarteto Imperial. Talk about stone age. Another artist I haven't seen mentioned here is Rodolfo Aicardi, his cumbias are pretty good, although I didn't care for the bolero stuff.

I heard somebody recommend a recent Grupo Naidy album Arriba Suena Marimba, supposedly really good currulao music. Anyone heard that one?

gato-bandido says on May 15, 2006, 12:15:

Music of Colombia This page has some good reviews of recent albums.

Gomezman5 says on May 15, 2006, 12:43:

Colombiche.....it all has to do with how "one" handles me. Give me my say, and I just might come around and agree with you. I love Colombia. But just because I was born there, and I am critical of her, it does not mean that I hate Colombia.

There is an old cliche that says once your realize you have a problem on your hands, you're well on the road to resolving it. When you're in a state of denial, nothing ever gets better.

As to the papa criolla part. There is hardly a day that goes by that I can't wait to get back to Bogota for my favorite dish in the world,(probably because I can only eat it when I am there) and that is
Ajiaco Santafereno.

Miguel_Clavo says on May 15, 2006, 12:53:

Johna..if you want to hear Grupo Niche live, they play in a .. club in Sunnyvale called Monacos, normally on Sunday nights...they own a home in San Jose off Mclaughlin Ave....i can let you know when i hear they will be playing again...my friend owns the place and calls me whenever they sign to play....

oh, and i mailed the CDs out today...FYI...


Just my opinion...

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"Ignorance is a Weapon of Mass Destruction..."

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

utopiacowboy says on May 15, 2006, 13:08:

I'll be dammed. I see a lot of the names mentioned above from my wife's wretched CD collection. I guess there are a few things in there worth listening to.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

johna says on May 16, 2006, 08:02:

Grupo Niche en vivo Yeah I would like to see them live. Let me know if you hear about them signing up at your friends place. That sounds fun. thanks for sending the CDs let me know if you want me to burn you a copy of the CD I wrote about in the post, it is no problem. Talk to you later

Rubiazo says on May 16, 2006, 09:28:

G5 I just threw out the names of a couple artists I shared bills with back in the 90s. Admittedly there is probably a lot better cumbia done in that style if you go back to the 70s. But I wouldn't go so far as to call those groups 'horrible.'

Personally if I felt about Colombia the way you do, I would NEVER go there. You rip Colombia even more than I do Canada, and I've basically told my relatives in Canada don't count on me hauling my ass up to see you anymore, you can come and see me if you want to in NYC!

Monpirri says on May 16, 2006, 10:26:

Johna, great choice "Toto La Monposina" Here are some facts about this wonderful woman.


TOTO LA MOMPOSINA & ORCHESTRAA magnificent singer and dancer, Toto Momposina has earned respect and admiration in many parts of the world for the power and spontaneity of her performance. Drawing on the music and dance of the Colombian Caribbean, her work is informed and inspired by a rich cultural mix that combines elements from African, Native Indian and Spanish traditions. This an expression of a culture that has its origins in Africa (via the slaves brought to work in the Americas), Spain (through the influence of the invading colonists) and South America (from the indigenous Indian population). On stage Toto dynamic repertoire is accompanied by a range of traditional drums, gaitas, brass, tiple, bass, guitar, percussion and chorus. She presents rhythms such as the cumbia, bullerenge, chalupa, garabato and mapale from Colombia?s Caribbean coast alongside the Cuban son, guaracha, rumba and bolero son that arrived in Colombia via the village of San Basilio de Palenque. Toto ils - as did her ancestors - from the village of Talaigua, at the heart of an island in the great Magdalena river, called Mompos (hence „la Momposina“). The river, which rises high in the Andes, stretches over a thousand miles to the Caribbean. In the sixteenth century Spanish invasions forced the Indians - the original inhabitants of Mompos - to flee into the island?s dense forests. In later years, runaway slaves intermarried with them. „The music I play“, explains Toto #8222;has its roots in a mixed race; being African and Indian, the heart of the music is completely percussive.“ The cumbia is one of the better known rhythms and dances of Colombia. This rhythm is powerfully hypnotic and, along with the dance and its costume, a fine example of the mixture of Indian, Spanish and African influences: The dance originated as a courting dance between African men and Indian women at the time when the two communities began to intermarry. In this gentle, sensual dance the women hold up lit candles as the pairs weave in and out. Born into a family of musicians spanning five generations, Toto earned to sing and dance as a child. Her father was a drummer, her mother a singer and dancer; their household lived with the musical traditions of „la costa“. As a young woman, she travelled from village to village researching their various rhythms and dances and studying the art of the cantadora. Traditionally the cantadoras are peasants, women who grow yucca, plantain and pumpkins in the patches of land behind their huts.These women play a central role in the village culture. In Talaigua Ramona Ruiz, a fine cantadora now in her eighties who tutored the teenage Toto, continues to keep this tradition alive. In this community of peasant farmers and fishermen Ramona dispenses everything from marital advice to herbal medicine and as a vivacious and inspired chande (fiesta and also a rhthym of Talaigua) leader, is able to rustle up a full compliment of drummers, singers and dancers at a moment?s notice. The songs that the villagers sing to accompany their daily tasks are performed by Tot௮ stage, such as rhythmic chants to pace the pounding of the corn, and suggestive lyrics which add spice to the monotony of scrubbing the clothes in the river. The drums are played by the men, boat-builders who hollow out tree trunks with their axes, fishermen, net-menders and cigar-makers. Gradually, Toto voice and performance technique matured, until in 1968 she formed her own group and began to pursue a professional career, though still delighting in playing at family fiestas, street parties and other roles enacted by „la cantadora del pueblo“. Rapidly gaining a reputation for her impressive voice and presence she began to appear outside Colombia in the 1970s touring in Latin America, Western and Eastern Europe and the United States. In 1982 she accompanied Gabriel Garcia Marquez to Stockholm to perform at his Nobel prize ceremony. Toto sed herself in France for four years, studying the history of dance for a year at the Sorbonne and performing extensively in Europe, though most frequently in France and Germany. She recorded her first album during this period in Paris, „Toto Momposina“ for Auvidisc and contributed to the Colombian compilation „La Ceiba“ for ASPIC. In 1987 she returned to Colombia and continued to perform both at home and further afield in Latin America and the Caribbean. She also spent time in Cuba where she studied the bolero. In 1991 WOMAD brought her back to Europe and she performed at their festivals in Japan, Canada, England, Germany, Spain and Finland. She recorded „La Candela Viva“ in 1992 for Real World Records and „Carmelina“ for MTM in 1995. Over the last decade she has also performed in Spain, England, Scoland, Wales, Germany, France, Holland, Belgium, Slovenia, Italy, Sweden, Norway, Poland, Korea, USA, Mexico, Cuba and on seven other Caribbean islands.In 2000 Tot䳠new album „Pacanto“ is being released in Europe by Nuevos Medios and is hailed as a new milestone in Colombian music:„One of the year?s finest latin albums“ Mojo.„Tot䳠most successful outing so far. A triumph.“ Songlines.„Her latest album sees her breaking out of the ghetto, proving herself to be a true soul singer in the purest sense of the world“ . Time Out.TOTO LA MOMPOSINA. GENERAL PRESS QUOTES:„Wherever she sings people recognise in Toto voice a unique quality, one far removed from the highly produced output of more commercial latin bands, a rawness that alludes to the rural tradition which lies at the core of Colombia.“ Patricia Diaz. Film Director.„Toto n herself, is so strong spiritually and mentally. She gives you tremendous vibes of affection and love. Then you see a chemistry between the musicians; there is an intimacy that goes on in their eyes. Somehow something happens, seemingly unrehearsed, where a smile, a genuine smile, comes out of one of them and then the next, and a pattern develops. I suspect there is great depth in what they are communicating. Phil Ramone. Record producer.„If Toto Momposina hadn?t specialised in local styles she could surely be a mainstream star, for she?s a majestic, powerful and versatile singer. As it is she uses her talents to demonstrate what at first seems a curious hybrid. Massed ranks of drummers set up a pounding rhythm, she then cuts right across it with sturdy spanish influenced ballads and dance songs.“ Robin Denslow. The Guardian.„Colombian singer Toto Momposina stands out as one of the most intriguing artists recording for Peter Gabriel?s Real World label..............she belts, the drums pump, the Indian flautas wail in nonchromatic ecstacy“. Daisann Mclane. Rolling Stone.„We spent weeks researching and filming around the Caribbean coast of Colombia - the villages and towns where bananas grow and the „magical real“ world of „One hundred years of solitude“ was born. At this time I first heard the name Toto Momposina. She had been invited and had gone with Gabriel Garcia Marquez to Stockholm to perform when he accepted his prize. Shunning the usual black tie evening wear he appeared in a white guayavera from the coast and released thousands of yellow butterflies while Totथlivered some pearls of rural Colombian wisdom. I don?t know what they thought in Norway, but she went down very well in Vauxhall where I first saw her perform in a club last year. From music and show it turned into a kind of ritualistic dance exchange which left the audience breathless and more or less dazed.“ Ben Woolford. Film producer.„You come into life to do something specific. The gift that you have grows with all that you learn about life, its potential maturing with time. I have learnt to respect all of this and channel it through my work. Self respect and respect for others is all important. I have learned to respect everything surrounding my voice since that is my gift. If I have to rest after a concert and prepare myself carefully for the performance the next day I do so because it signifies respect. It is a way of respecting myself and projecting respect onto the people who will watch me performing and also onto those who will hear of me, a future audience.“„The music of the drums makes your body vibrate and react in an instinctive, spontaneous way. Then you come out of yourself and forget everything around you. You don?t mind anymore. You are you.“„I am not seeking to be a star on earth but rather a star in the universe.“ Totଡ Momposina.„The phenomenal voice of Toto the thunder of her band is awe-inspiring. This is living, breathing power music.“ CMJ New World Music.„Her voice can, and does, stand up with the best...............the deep roots sound reaches out and grabs you, the call and response vocals and chorus float over the pulsing drumming. Especially on „El Pescador“ where the lovely melody line of this old song about fishermen keeps hanging around in your head. It is a fantastic track that causes mayhem on the dancefloor when it tops off a row of cumbias“. Straight no Chaser.„Totੳ a type found throughout Latin America and Africa. She?s a vivacious musical matriarch, a local legend, with a roots sound that?s as contemporary as it is timeless. In Cuba they?ve got Celina Gonzalez; Colombia boasts the Momposina Queen. Feverishly percussive at times, lush and atmouspheric at others, the band?s motley array of instruments is the foil to a charismatic voice.“ Rick Glanvill. Vox.„Totਡs the purest voice of all.“ Tunku Varadarajan. The Times.„...tub-thumpingly brilliant......................................“ Time Out.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TOTO LA MOMPOSINA DISCOGRAPHY1985
1985 TOTO LA MOMPOSINA Y SUS TAMBORES AUVIDISC 4513
1986 The songs LA CEIBA, LA VERDOLAGA and A PILLAR ARROZ on thE compilation LA CEIBA ASPIC X 55504
1992 The song SOLEDAD on the compilation A WEEK IN THE REAL WORLD REAL WORLD 25
1993 LA CANDELA VIVA REAL WORLD 31
1994 The song MALANGA on the compilation GEO ET PETER GABRIEL PRESENTENT LES MUSIQUES DU MONDE VIRGIN FRANCE 39517 2
1994 The song EL PESCADOR on the compilation A WEEK OR TWO IN THE REAL WORLD REAL WORLD 30
1994 The songs DOS DE FEBRERO and FUEGO on the compilation CARNIVALE CARIBE PIRANHA 34-2
1995 The song MALANGA on the CD ROM ONE TRIBE VIRGIN SOUND AND VISION
1995 The songs CHI CHI MANI, LA SOMBRA NEGRA, LOS SABORES DEL PORRO and DANZA DE INDIOS FAROTOS on a 122 promotional single. YARD HIGH 01.
1995 The song EL PESCADOR on REAL WORLD promotional CD RWSAM 3.
1995 The song CHI CHI MANI on EFWMF compilation STRICTLY WORLDWIDE X41 PIRANHA 937
1996 CARMELINA YARD HIGH YHCD 1 1997 LABEL BLEU
1997 The song LA SOMBRA NEGRA on ROUNDER compilation DIVINE DIVAS, CD 5071/2/3
1997 The song CARMELINA on PUTUMAYO compilation LATINO! LATINO! PUTU 131-2 M131-2
1997 The songs LA SOMBRA NEGRA and MALANGA on the DISNEY RECORDS soundtrack album compilation JUNGLE TO JUNGLE
1998 The songs LA VERDOLAGA and MOHANA on the RYKODISC soundtrack album.
HOMBRES ARMADOS - MEN WITH GUNS
2000 PACANTO on NUEVOS MEDIOS/MTM NM 15771



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johna says on May 16, 2006, 10:47:

I was amazed when I first popped the CD in. She is amazing, so much emotion in her voice. the song "la cieba" is my favorite on the CD but they are all great. I looked online to see if I could buy more. all I could find to buy was la candelia vive and listened to some of the tracks, but I don't think I want it. Alot of them are the same songs on Carmelina just live. I want to find a copy of La Cieba, but couldn't online. I am sure my chances are better once I get to Colombia. It defenitely gave me a fever to see some of the areas on the atlantic. Thanks for the information about her. Is she still alive? On the album I bought it said that this was her "final opus"

Monpirri says on May 16, 2006, 12:08:

Gomezman5 & Colombiche There is an evident misrepresentation about our Llanera music here. One gives música llanera el the lowest percentage, "but for us musica llanera is just about 10% of our national musical mosaic, while for Venezolanos llanera is their "musical" main course. G5, here again you show your ignorance about Colombia or about "Música llanera." Your only words of knowledge of Colombian artists is Zero, "For the best of the best, there is one Venezuelan artist that no Colombian can compare to and he is: Reynaldo Armas." And to top it off, the credit of música llanera is given to another country, as usual from you. Let's learn some facts before posting: Música Del Folclor Colombiano [Música]Llanera is the music of the Los Llanos, the grasslands which stretch halfway across Colombia into Venezuela. The lead instrument is the harp, accompanied by some other string instruments such as the cuatro, the bandola, the bandolón and the tiple. The music can be played to dance to (joropo) or listened to (coplas, romances and tonadas). *Colombia have several fiestas llaneras where Venezuelans come to Colombia to compete in dancing and singing contests.* Visit this page, “Lo mejor de la música lllanera� - The best of Llanera music. http://www.sonoriente.com/discografia.html Alberto Cáceres Jorge Romero Aldrumas Monroy Juan Farfán Alexander Avila Juan Harvey Caicedo Alfonso Niño Manuel Orozco Aries Vigoth Marco �vila Arnulfo Briceño Mario Tineo Carlos Eduardo Cubides Milton Pérez Gaitán Carlos Torres Orlando Ordóñez Dalia Santos Ovidio Rivera Dario Robayo Pedro Alfonso Oviedo Dumar Aljure Rafael Martínez Eduardo Mojica René Devia Elda Florez Rolfe Oicatá Giiovanny López Sandra Castañeda Héctor Vela Bernal Sonia Velásquez Hildo Ariel Tirso Delgado Joaquín Rico Yonid Rondón Agudelo Jorge Mejía Quintero Yudy Lozano emisora Colombia on-line

www.notasdelllano.com/

Monpirri says on May 16, 2006, 12:24:

Johna Yep, Toto La Monposina has done a lot for colombian music in Europe. If you want to buy music from Colombia, go to this site. http://www.tropimusic.com/Merchant/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=D10327&Category_Code=CMBA Do you want to listen to the other Colombian music, click here and get ready for El 20 de Julio!!

www.congodeoro.com/WelcomeStage.htm

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Colombiche says on May 16, 2006, 12:38:

Monpirri What I was trying to illustrate when using the 10% figure (which was a guesstimate by the way), was that to Colombia, Llanera music is just one of a thousand genres. Both countries have llanera music and artists because it is a binational genre. To Venezuelans, llanera might be their most important claim to fame. Now, if he had claimed that Venezuelans make better cumbia than Colombians I would reach through the monitor and strangle his parrot.

I don't know where this music originated, I would like to guess that llanera knows no borders, it was the music of the "llaneros" who inhabit the plains between the two countries. No country can claim ownership.

Gomezman claimed something to the effect that Venezuelans are the kings of llanera music. I don't know enough about that genre to dispute the claim, but you go monpirri.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

Monpirri says on May 16, 2006, 12:51:

Colombiche Since we are in a Colombian site, PoorButHappy about Colombia, it is vital that we disseminate information about Colombia. The opinion or what another country claims should not be displayed here, unless there is an intention to elevate the other country and to undermine the colombian achievement in said topic.
And since I was born in Colombia, I say, musica llanera is originated in los Llanos Orientales. The link that I just posted has a history sublink.
G5, what does he know about Colombia?

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Gomezman5 says on May 16, 2006, 12:56:

Monpirri...and Rubizo... Monpirri....If I ever had seen a person who can be the master of distortion, its you. I'll stand on what I said. Llanera originated in Venezuela. Your throwing out a COLOMBIAN web page, with a list of Colombian artists,(most of which were insignificant ones) making it seem as if Colombia was the country where the music started and where it had the most artists, only makes you look like......a FOOL.

How rediculous. While there are a lot simpletons on this site, I'm not one of them. You pulled this nonsense before with salsa. I'll be real clear about this. There is not one....I repeat NOT ONE, Colombian artist that even approaches the realm of Reynaldo Armas. Colombian contributions to llanera are miniscule in comparison to venezuela. This is the same silly argument that you tried to make when you compared colombian salsa artists to puerto Rican ones.

The problem with you monpirri is a simple one. You are so busy telling people they don't know what they are talking about, when in reality, you are on this site everyday professing to be the "know it all" about everything. I post far less often than you do. And when I post, I post about areas that I have knowledge about. So before you start telling people that they have the wrong perspective, or they don't know squat, you should sit back and do some self assessment and ask yourself how you can declare yourself to be this fountain of knowledge about so many things.....

I think your just a bunch of hot air at the keyboard...and I have a funny feeling UC thinks so too.

And Rubiazo.. being a Colombian citizen, and my knowledge of Colombia goes back longer than the time you met your Colombian girlfriend, I think I have the right to "rip" Colombia when I call a situation for what it is, and not for what the tour happy, colombian boyfriend/girlfriend crowd wishes it to be. I have never seen so many distortions about Colombia as I see on here. I want Colombia to be a better place and not just a place for you and you band to run off for a few weeks to have a good time.

Colombiche says on May 16, 2006, 13:23:

I think the OP came in asking for colombian music recommendations. He never came in asking "Please refer me to musical styles that are strictly colombian or dominated completely by Colombian artists".

Like it or not - and regardless of whether colombia "rules" the genre - Llanero music is part of our national collection. I feel that belittling Colombia's contribution to the genre was unnecessary and uncalled for in this particular case (just my opinion). Same way that belitting colombian salsa when somebody shows an interest in it and wants to study it is out of place.

That is why Colombia is in such a bad situation, because of our lack of fu*(%$#ng national self esteem and love for "lo nuestro". Always glorify everything and everyone foreign even when it sucks in comparison. Look at everybody else feeling high up on themselves. Try trashing the States around here and everybody will jump to their country's defense, you will get cyberlynched. They believe in what they've got and rightly so. I think before a country makes it transition to a better life of prosperity, it helps if the citizens are walking with their head up high. You can't make a goldmine out of a place where people have no faith in their talent and abilities. Human talent is the key for success - it is a country's most important asset.

Being a colombian citizen is not about having a piece of paper that says so, it's about feeling colombian. Rubiazo might not have a drop of colombian blood, but he is going to pick up his personal effects and relocate to a place he has fallen in love with. You gotta respect those who follow their heart because there are very few of them.

We already have the media highlighting everything that is negative and horrible about our country. Maybe PBH is a space where we could show those people interested in our country the good things we have to offer besides cheap brothels disguised as whiskerias (????).

Gomez, you say that accepting colombia's problems is part of the solution, but in this case, we are talking about music not politics or social injustice. It is about a guy who wants to start his collection of Colombian music. I say bienvenido and enjoy the ride.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

Gomezman5 says on May 16, 2006, 13:58:

Look Colombiche This simpleton, along with his dogmatic way of thinking, made the following post:
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"G5, here again you show your ignorance about Colombia or about "Música llanera." Your only words of knowledge of Colombian artists is Zero, "For the best of the best, there is one Venezuelan artist that no Colombian can compare to and he is: Reynaldo Armas."
And to top it off, the credit of música llanera is given to another country, as usual from you.

Let's learn some facts before posting:"


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I posted my comments and in no way shape or form did I criticize/post anything that this condecsending "know it all" had previously posted. I am fed up with him telling me that I'm from a different realm, or that my thinking is distorted, or that I don't know what I am talking about, or that I am ignorant, or that my knowledge is zero.

Got it Colombiche?

I can assure you, that if this person continuosly laid those lines on you, you would be less than pleased. This guy is annoying. hurls insults at any and all who post comments that are not in line with his way of thinking. To prove my point, he even started tearing into UC, and while I may be controversial at times, either you or I cannot think of very many people that can't get along with UC. His tunnel vision, one way (his way only) of thinking is the only way he knows how to think in that he professes to no everything about everything.

And, as to my sentiments about Colombia, I have never been on the same page as you and ColX and I never will be. Colombia is a long way from being an attractive country to tour, or do business in. It is so far away from what might be called mainstream. Running around saying let's be together and drink some "feel good juice" is not going to raise her to level that both you and I would like it to be.

I really would like to see real tourist go there. Not those that go for sex (which is a suprising number of people on this site) or those who go because they are Colombian, or those who go because they have boyfriend/girlfriend/husband/wives,there.It just is not happening, not matter how much you want to tell yourself it is or it should be. And there are good reasons not to go. More reasons not to go than to go.

Colombia is not Camelot, where all was happy and gay.

And so says me.

Rubiazo says on May 16, 2006, 14:39:

For the record Luis Silva is also Venezuelan. But so the fuck what? He's still widely listened to in Colombia by those who are into that kind of music. I could have thrown out Aterciopelados, who are 100% Colombian, but I don' t think the OP was looking for post-punk with Spanish lyrics. BTW if you are looking for good post-punk with Spanish lyrics, you can't go wrong with them!!

If you want to get 100% technical there really isn't too much music that you can say is 100% Colombian and nobody else's, IF there really is any! South America just isn't like that. Cultural borders just don't coincide nicely with political ones like they do in Europe. I really don't know why the border goes right through the middle of the plains region but I think most people on either side of the border have more in common with their fellow llaneros than they do with people up in Bogota or way over in Caracas. The music from that region is from that region, period.

BTW I played one time for a Venezuelan friend the song 'Mood For A Day' by the British supergroup Yes. It's actually a solo guitar piece done in the joropo style. He wouldn't believe me when I told him it was done by a pasty Englishman in London, he said it was way too authentic for that! Just goes to show you that REAL music knows no petty political boundaries. Or do you honestly feel that the Aterciopelados need to stop being a rock band and pick up the tambora and the llamador and start playing champeta??

Colombiche says on May 16, 2006, 15:00:

... .

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

utopiacowboy says on May 16, 2006, 15:17:

Anyone who says a good word about Mexico or Mexicans is subject to Monpirri's wrath. Pure and simple.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

bibefito21 says on May 16, 2006, 15:18:

U SHOULD LISTEN TO the best of the new vallenato with a younger hipper twist, its what is being listened to mainly on the coast and its getting popular in the interior of colombia too look for kaleth morales, peter manjarrez, luifuer cuello, silvestre dangond in vallenato there real good.

Colombiche says on May 16, 2006, 15:19:

No I think anybody that says anything bad about colombians is subject to his wrath.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

Rubiazo says on May 16, 2006, 15:20:

I actually agree with most of what G5 says about Colombia, but so the fuck what? So there is corruption, so some drivers are uninsured, so people get drunk on Saturday night and find themselves a dog or cat to fry up and eat, oops that's the DR, sorry :P

Anyways, my point is, it's Colombia, it's not Congo or Sierra Leone. Yes, it's a violent country, but physical security is not the be-all and end-all of my existence. I have one word for people who think that safety is the #1 most important thing in the universe: PATHETIC! You can post all the statistics you want about how violent Colombia is, NO SHIT SHERLOCK! Tell us something we didn't already know! Violence doesn't trump every other GOOD thing in Colombia, nor does the lack of the purchasing power that we have in the USA.

G5, to sum up, frankly, I have no problem with your very realistic assessment of Colombia as a country. I have a problem with the conclusions you draw from it, however.

And prehaps most tellingly, you always claim people attack you for telling it like it is, yet you super-sugar-coat the USA and make it seem like the fucking Good Ship Lollipop every chance you get! I find your ill-found faith in this country and its institutions at times amusing and at times downright annoying, especially in times like these where,just as one example, the country's own comptroller is warning about impending economic disaster due to gross mismanagement!

Monpirri says on May 16, 2006, 15:24:

G5 The only insignificant here about Colombia is you!
"Llanera originated in Venezuela. Your throwing out a COLOMBIAN web page, with a list of Colombian artists,(most of which were insignificant ones)"
You live in an utopia world, don't know "Un Carajo" about Colombia. You think this is a court of law and want to surf or negotiate your way in with your evident lack of knowledge bout Colombia with few words. You may be the best lawyer in Texas, but here in PBH you are full of bologna! If the Colombian government knows of all your anti-Colombian, ignorant or derogatory comments toward Colombia, you would probably be lynched.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

Gomezman5 says on May 16, 2006, 15:25:

TINTO, Oh yes I will call him a simpleton..... If monpirri can call me ignorant

"you show your ignorance "

I can call him a simpleton.

Tinto, if you don't like it, too bad.

I already warned you about the type of moderation you practice and that the degree of respect that you hope to obtain is compromised when you don't moderate with an even hand. If you are going to remprimand, than do it to both...not one. The more you do that, and the more I have to call it to your attention, the more it becomes obvious that YOUR integrity is that is compromised, and not mine!!

Be sure and tell Peter, how you let things slide for some, and not for others.

Monpirri says on May 16, 2006, 15:30:

G5 You can call me ignorant about certain laws, or about the French language or other matters behind my knowlege and I would not get upset with you! But, you have to admit you are biggest ignorant about Colombian culture.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

utopiacowboy says on May 16, 2006, 15:32:

"I think anybody that says anything bad about colombians is subject to his wrath."

Oh yeah, he doesn't seem to have any problems hurling insults about my wife who is more Colombian than he will ever be. As far as I can tell he is a Colombian wannabe who happened to be born there. Can he match my wife's 42 years of living there and all that entails?

He doesn't have any problems hurling insults at Gomezman either. So much for his "defense" of Colombians. I disagreed with ColX many times but I always had high respect for him. I wish I could say the same about Monpirri. This is the same guy who tried to engineer a secret takeover of PBH in the interest of eliminating free speech.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

Gomezman5 says on May 16, 2006, 15:38:

UC....RE Monpirri and Tinto I learned something about you....And it's too bad, it's the simpletons like monpirri that caused you to write the way you do.

I have been around here for quite a while. I remember the days when you used to give your opinions and provide excellent insight along well thought out posts about Colombia. But the likes of monpirri got to you, and you started making all these "one liners" and silly jokes about your driver in Med and people wondered what happened to you. Everyone commented. Then slowly but surely, you came out of it but you kind threw in the towel and you never debate much anymore, because you realize that as long as our moderator Tinto allows the likes of monpirri to run people over and insult people personally on a consistant basis, you, as well as myself tent to get a bit timid about making any real debate. So the net result is, that people become discouraged and just don't want to participate. If Tinto can's see that then I have to wonder about him

If Tinto, who has also been here a long time can't see the negative affects of a monpirri,than I can't say much about him as a moderator. Tinto moderates selectively. He has done it with me before, and he just did it again. Tinto should be ashamed of himself. He proved once again that he lacks intergrity. He allowed Monpirri to come out of nowwhere and attack my opinions AND CALL ME IGNORANT, and he says nothing. He lies idle as if to pretend he did not read it. But when I respond by calling monpirri a simpleton, he admonishes me. Well, he can forget it. His one sided moderation only affects his integrity and not mine. What a joker this guy is.

I'm the "Biggest ignorant" about colombian culture......he just did it again after you admonished me. So Mr. moderator.....what says you?

Tinto,you would make a horrible judge and without question be subject to recall.

Monpirri says on May 16, 2006, 15:45:

Utopicowboy Utopiacowboy you must be a good lawyer, I have noticed you make up things really good and fast, but be careful with the art of deception!
"This is the same guy who tried to engineer a secret takeover of PBH in the interest of eliminating free speech."
I do not know where do you get that from? Probably G5 told you about it.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

Miguel_Clavo says on May 16, 2006, 17:51:

Time once again, Ladies, for Anger Management Classes!! =P My 2 cents: If i didnt know any better, i would say you guys were married to each other! or at least acting like it! yikes!!Viva Banda! Viva Ranchera! Viva Vincente Fernandez! Viva Selena!jejejeje.....hey, who trashes Mexico, UC??? Rat bastards...jejejeje....Damn, i thought i was the only one on PBH who didnt get along with others!

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo.......faltan 45 días.....

"Ignorance is a Weapon of Mass Destruction..."

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

Miguel_Clavo says on May 16, 2006, 18:05:

Paper Colombians? I am not Colombian. I am a Mexican and German (european) mix by blood, but American in spirit and heart. But the thing i love about Colombia is the people and the culture, not the material things or lack thereof. i value people, and i choose to live where i value people. Not all things Colombian are peachy-keen, but no country including the USA has the market on that. But it is the heart of the people who will overcome their problems. I visited several countries to see where i would like to live, since now i have that luxury. I chose Colombia before i even knew that things like PBH existed. Colombia has its problems, and some Americans add to these problems, including here on PBH, but to me, the nature of the people says it all....now, wheres that Morphus dude??? jejejeje....just kidding!!!!!!!

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo.......faltan 45 días.....

"Ignorance is a Weapon of Mass Destruction..."

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

johna says on May 16, 2006, 18:07:

Music stirs up some strong emotions I guess. My next question is going to be who has the best futbol team;)

Gomezman5 says on May 16, 2006, 19:24:

No Tinto......not at all In fact, in an effort to be quite congenial, I complimented you on the fact that you have had to carry the load here all by yourself.

You keep telling me that you cannot monitor "all" of what is posted here. I can understand that. But for some reason or another, you manage to catch aberations that I happen to comitt and others just seemed to be overlooked again and again.

This thread is a perfect example. You catch me calling monpirri a simpleton, (one lousy word) but monpirri dedicated an entire paragraph in one of his early posts on this thread wherein he said I was ignorant, that I know zero, and a few other things, but for some reason or another, that never caught your eye. What makes my point all the more substnatial, is the fact that my calling monpirri a simpleton was done only after he personally attacked me. In other words, at least my attack was done from a defensive posture, in retaliation for monpirri's attack on me. Yea sure, you didn't catch that did you? Sure. And I have a bridge to sell you.

Well if you want to allow reckless people who do a poor job at justifying his positions, and thinks nothing of takikng shots at people continue to post without sanction, than I guess you are not too interested in keeping people on this site who really do contribute to stimulating debate and provocative thought. Like I said, UC got fed up with the likes of monpirri and his personal attacks. DWMTE, another very congenial person, hardly posts here anymore....(have you noticed that Tinto?) Do you want to ask him why? So if you think that monpirri contributes more to this site than DWMTE, UC and myself, then you just give the green light to monpirri to start running ramming down people who really know how to make a message board interesting, as opposed to allowing SIMPLETONS attacking people personally for expousing a point of view that runs contrary to their own.

As to my desire to be a moderator.........trust me, I don't. I don't have the time. And I recognize that I don't have the demenaor to play the role properly....

Monpirri says on May 16, 2006, 19:58:

Gomezman5
I am not your competition in the legal world and you are Not my competition concerning Colombian culture or just plain current information about Colombia. Just check your threads and comments and compare.
You need to educate yourself more about Colombia before posting! Pick up on a weekly basis an international paper; buy the New York Times or the Washington Post.
If you do not like these paper buy and read “El Colombiano� “El Espectador� “El Pais� or whatever is your favorite paper in Colombia, but please inform yourself before posting.
Get with the program!

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

famsearch says on May 16, 2006, 20:40:

colombian music after a couple of too short visits (second one for my wedding) to colombia, for me, only 2 words fit colombian music. Pastor Lopez.
dan

dan

famsearch says on May 16, 2006, 20:44:

futbol all i know about futbol is, is that my esposa preciosa has told me what my favorite teams will be, atletico nacional, and the colombian national team. did i mention that my new favorites happen to be hers too? oh the joys of married life... lol
dan

dan

platano says on May 16, 2006, 21:05:

Colombian groups (70s & 80s) .... for the historical record... Los Corraleros de Majagual

Los Ocho de Colombia

Los Teenagers

Los Tropicales

Los Black Stars

Los Graduados

Los Hermanos Bernal

Los Hermanos Martelo

Los Hispano

Combo Sabor

Alfredo Gutiérrez

Lucho Mecedo

Los Reales de Colombia

La Tropibomba

Fausto y Yolanda

Ricardo Fuentes

Los Indios

Orlando y Su Combo

Jimmy Salcedo y su Onda 3

Piper Pimienta

Los Soles de Colombia

Los Flippers

Fruko y Sus Tesos

Grupo Vallenato de Cesar

Unidad 4

Los Diferentes

Formula 8

Tania

Leonor González Mina "La Negra Grande"

Alfa 6

Los Caribes

Claudia

Los Latinos de Ritmo

Los Bunker

La Gran Banda

Octava Dimensión

Orquesta Fantasia

Sexteto Miramar

Constelación Vallenata

Lisandro Meza

Lucho Bermúdez

Pastor López

La Revolución

Helenita Vargas

Dimensión Diez

Pacho Galán

Integración 2000

Integración Porteña

Juan Piña y La Revelación

Los Quillacingas

Raza Tropical

Sonora Juventud

Los Tupumaros

Bemtú

El Combo Cañaveral

Conjunto Barroco

María del Carmen

Los Empresarios del Ritmo

Juan Pachanga Charanga

Sonora Dinamita

Hermanos Ospina

Los Jordan

Los del Caney

Alvaro Castillo y La Calentura

Combo Caribe

La Misma Gente

Son de Euterpe

Banda de San Pelayo

Cali Charanga

Fallarones

La Identidad

Latin Brothers

Nueva Dimensión

Siboney

Super Orquesta Café

Caña de Azucar

Alejo Durán

Grupo Clase

La Ley

Manantial

Sonora Caleña

plátano

plátano

Gomezman5 says on May 16, 2006, 22:59:

monpirri The only thing YOU need to do is to see a head shrink, so that he can deflate the hippocampus section of your brain ....the part that leads you to erroneously believe that you are the ultimate source of info on anything Colombian.

In regards to anything that you suggest that I do......it will be ignored. So save your key strokes and minimize your chances of getting carpel tunnel syndrome. In other words, your self help suggestions are not welcome.

kernow62 says on May 17, 2006, 07:18:

I see a huge difference in someone saying that one is showing ignorance on a specific topic and calling said person ignorant. One could be a genius and still have ignorance of many things. Simpleton however is a plain and simple derogatory term.

Now can't we just discuss the music, the topic at hand.

By the way the best football team is and will always be Manchester United.

Miguel_Clavo says on May 17, 2006, 07:36:

I always thought if the shoe fits, wear it!!! jajajaja.... Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo.......faltan 44 días.....

"Ignorance is a Weapon of Mass Destruction..."

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

Gomezman5 says on May 17, 2006, 08:02:

Kernow.... Go fly a kite. Even the worst lawyers that I know wouldn't try to parse in such a way. Like I told Tinto, when you make silly comments, the only one who looks silly ................is you.

The association of a less than complimentary word with any one person, whether it be because someone "shows" some pattern of behavior or someone is called the same word directly is THE SAME. If you can't see that then, you are "showing" that you're ignorant too. I can say that right? I'm just applying your reasoning so I too can associate the word ignorant with your reasoning and not you personaly. Hey,I have used the word in a manner that is acceptable according to your distorted (again not referring to you) reasoning.

Now, I did not insult you at all did I? Yea sure...

oldbongo says on May 17, 2006, 08:50:

gomez.. the oldgringo measures his words.

you have presented yourself vey unpleasantly.

Gomezman5 says on May 17, 2006, 09:08:

Old gringo Ye should read all before ye comments. You obviously have not....

In other words, your comments are neither warranted, or justified

oldbongo says on May 17, 2006, 09:24:

you've been sniped kid.. the oldgringo posted early on this thread, and has read every word posted since. the original poster has alluded to the fire that seems to have been lit by this discussion, which began in a friendly manner, with friendly intent. he recognises that common pleasures, such as music, or futball, can create lethal enemies.
witness rap star killings,
witness futball star killings.
thank goodness that this is not being cultivated here.

my comment you may not consider warranted, but just, it is.

BTW..are you not the same gman who pined for missing kernow,?
and now tell him to fly a kite.....

again...you present yourself unpleasantly...to say the least.

Rubiazo says on May 17, 2006, 11:59:

PILLADO! 8)

fugdis says on May 17, 2006, 16:04:

Unpleasant G5.Maybe,like many people on here,tinto just doesnt like you.
Kernow keep up the "silly comments"

kernow62 says on May 17, 2006, 18:57:

I don't know why you assume I was trying to parse like a lawyer. I usually have to talk down to most lawyers so that they can understand, my wife excepted of course. You certainly cannot lecture anyone on the proper use of English, next you will be offering spelling lessons. By the way it isn't "personaly" it is "personally".

The fact remains the only one who has established a pattern of spouting ignorance is yourself, not to say you are ignorant of course. You see they can and are two entirely different things, despite that lovely piece you wrote. I would never ever call you ignorant but it is plain for all to see that you have a very high opinion of yourself and are upset that we all do not share your opinion.

Gomezman5 says on May 18, 2006, 00:24:

OLD Gringo....& Kernow OG
You may have read from the begining.....but who fired the first shot? If you didn't see that mopirri did, than you have a problem with your vision or comprehension. You choose. Attack me, you get attacked in return. If you don't believe in that......than you think like a wimp. Notice I said that you think like one. In Kernow's eyes, thats not a person attack. Rediculous logic. But it's his logic none the less.Maybe your name says it all. I never cold figure out what makes older gringos tick.

Anyway, Kernow, I think you are sort of a simpleton too. Whenever I outwit you, the only weapon in your arsenal is to attack my spelling. You always revert to the same tactic. Like I care if I can't tyoe well. Hey, I have a well paid secretary to do all this stuff in the real world. By the way, I never seem to notice you attacking anyone else's spelling...or do you? Of course you don't. That is more proof that when I outwit you, you have no where to go, but to attack the fingers on my keyboard. I guess I am that good. But hey, Not only did I outwit you, but I was also able to insult you and get away with it. Only people who think as foolish as yourself, would believe that you can attack a certain aspect of a person, as opposed to the person himself and say that it is not an insult.

I suppose the next time I go to court, using your logic, I can tell the judge that he made a rediculous ruling. If he takes offense, I'll just tell him that I'm applying "Kernow logic". "Your honor, I did not call you rediculous, I called your decision rediculous." See Kernow, the more I apply your logic, the sillier, it sounds, and just has to make you wonder a little bit, why you stuck you 2 cents in to begin with. Only a person that thinks like a fool (this is getting fun) would interject himself into an argument that didn't involve him in the first place. Na,,,,,,come to think of it, not a person that thinks like a fool.....call it what it is.........a fool period. Did I cross the line? Who cares?

kernow62 says on May 18, 2006, 04:32:

Gomez let me try a different angle, and by the way I disagree with monpirri. As I said I think your music choice was very good and I know you are far from ignorant on the topic of music.

As a lawyer you must know the definition of ignorance, correct?
ignorantia legis non excusat

That does not mean that the person is ignorant, it means they are claiming that they didn't know about a specific law. They are not an ignorant person.

You perceive attacks where none exists; if you feel better by insulting me well insult away it isn't going to ruin my day.

* Note to self, do not correct his spelling.

Gomezman5 says on May 18, 2006, 09:12:

Kernow , let me a different approach too What's the point in all of this?

I put up with so much crap because of some (perhaps many)are displeased with me because I don't dance to the melody or follow the "party line" about the fantasy land that most of these people think Colombia is. Some people debate my with diplomacy, and others act like total morons by throwing everything that they have got to be mean. Tinto knows it, but he doesn't do a damn thing about it. He just comes back with the lame excuse that he can't read everyone's post. Hell I have taken so many hits on here because people with hidden agendas attack everything I say, not because of what I say, but because they just don't want to hear from me. Monpirri is a great example. He just wants to be contrary. And he is always telling UC and I that we're ignorant, or were not well educated, or something of that nature. The pattern of him doing this is so regular and profound, I would have more respect for Tinto if he just admited he will allow attack me,as opposed to Tinto telling me...."I can't catch everything" Tinto is not stupid. Not at all. But he sure likes to play the role some times. Hey I have nothing against the guy. But he is the moderator, and he should put a stop to this. In fact, because I am in the minority in terms of my views here, he should go out of his way to ensure that the minority view is protected. He doesn't.

I've said many many times. If people don't like my politcal perspective on Colombia, that's their problem. That should, as the rules dictate, attack the argument and not the person. When I get attacked, neither Peter nor Tinto do anything. I only attack when someone takes a shot a me first. I will always respond and I almost always do so in a manner that shows my intelect is a cut above theirs. For all practical purposes, the most intelligent people who post here don't lower themselves to the levels of getting personal. I'm not going to allow anyone to intimidate me off this site. The only person that can pull the plug on me is Peter. And, I don't think he would want to cut off debate in that manner.

On a personal note, I just cannot for the life of me why you would want to involve yourself in a dispute of this nature. You know as well as I do, that the dispute is a lot bigger than what any one post or thread exhibits. I just don't get it. I am not asking you to take sides, I just think we have known each other long enough, and gone through our share of ups and downs, that for you to involve yourself in something that you understand, and has nothing to do with you, just does not make sense.

Anyway...got's to go. I have a post that I want to make (a thread).

Monpirri says on May 18, 2006, 10:35:

Gomezman5 you are not Socrates! Stop whinning. You surface PBH, a site about Colombia, pretending to know facts about Colombia, but the truth of the matter is that you do not have the clueless idea about Colombia. And by the way, your comments/threads are not political, they are just a facsimile of the Spanish TV in the US. The same negative bullshit about Colombia! We do not need to read or to listen the same rhetoric from a “colombian�

I remember several instances where you have made me and many members very upset here at pbh. For example:
1. The day you said you were going to hit a home run because you went and checked out Charlie Zaa on the internet and comeback saying he was a “bachata� singer, just because you found one or two bachata songs in his CD.
2. I have been keeping up with Shakira’s and Juanes’ success, reason for Colombians to be happy and proud, here again you showed up as el Zorro to question Juanes popularity as he and Shakira were on the top of all postive achievements.
3. The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Miami Herald and other vital TV stations and several members of PBH were posting all positive news about visiting Colombia, during this period many us were trying to help Colombia’s tourism, a country devasted by the bad press, the ghost from past, some tv networks, guerrillas warfare and again you appeared as the self-apppointed prosecutor lawyer to discreet or trash Colombia.
4. Your expertise about musica llanera!

I can go on and on about your peculiar comments towards Colombia from a “colombian�, but I do not have the time nor the patience!. You need to take off that big sombrero that does not let you see “Colombia tierra Querida� and wear un sombrero voltiao!!

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

johna says on May 18, 2006, 10:43:

One poster wrote to the other less nationalistic poster "If the Colombian government knows of all your anti-Colombian, ignorant or derogatory comments toward Colombia, you would probably be lynched."
Que lastima! A statement like that does more to hurt the image of colombia than anything G5 could have said.

Monpirri says on May 18, 2006, 10:56:

Ok, Johna The people would lynched him and the Colombian government would issue him a persona non-grata visa.

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johna says on May 18, 2006, 11:05:

still not great. but I guess that is a little better. I think he could enter on a tourist visa though, and then they would have 180 days (assuming he got his extension before his demise) to lynch him. That is what I am hoping for with myself at least, but minus the lynching part.

Miguel_Clavo says on May 18, 2006, 11:31:

Would "Lawyer" jokes be out of line in this thread?? =) i have quite a few really good ones...and i could connect them to the topic of Colombia...how about it, Tinto??

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo.......faltan 43 días.....

"Ignorance is a Weapon of Mass Destruction..."

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

Gomezman5 says on May 18, 2006, 12:34:

Monpirri...And you are Socrates? You, not me, you are the one that plays Socrates? People, myself included, don't need you telling them that they have not been educated properly, or what papers they need to read, or how ignorant they are. You have your opinion and other have theirs.

You are incapable of respecting the views of others. You always think that your manner of thinking is the correct one. Don't you realize how foolish you look when you start telling people that they have not been educated properly, or that they don't think right. I have never encountered anybody on this site that would have the do something like that. So it's you that likes to play Socrates. If you don't like my argument or point of view, than argue the point, don't question my intelect. You certainly are in no position to do so.

As to your above post. So what. You search for a source here and there that will support your contention. And guess what, I know how to use Google too. What does that mean? Are you trying to say that because a publication or two says something positive about Colombia, that such opinos should be cast in stone and considered the gospel? Really. I have a strange feeling that anything that you read about Colombia was taken out of context. Post the article and let me...or the PBH community decide whether the article was favorable or not. Your interpretation certainly is not the last word.

Monpirri, one thing is certain. I have never accused you of being uneducated or that you need to better informed. I never called you ignorant either. And if you want to interpret my views as trashing Colombia, than consider me as a person who likes to trash Colombia. But you can be certain of one thing,the more you try to stop me from Colombia, the more I will do it. So....you are, as they say:

"Beating a dead horse"

Monpirri says on May 18, 2006, 13:31:

G5 Estas equivocado de nuevo!! Yo llevo a Colombia en las sangre. Leo los periódicos que aportan o que estan volviendo a hablar positivo de Colombia. Puedes confirmar esto viendo los articulos estan en en este foro. Ademas de los periódicos que mencioné arriba, tambien veo Mucho a Caracol TV. Yo me educo positivamente sobre mi país, y ademas estoy envuelto con organizaciones colombianas desde varios años!

You are wrong again! My sources are the newspapers listed above, I use the Internet as well to confirm or post articles, but my main source, and I have been saying this since February of this year, is Caracol TV. Who is the fool in here, I ask?
Educate sobre tu país actual para que no lo ofendas ni tampoco ofendas a su gente!

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Gomezman5 says on May 18, 2006, 15:37:

Tinto.....per your request.... I'm done with this thread.....but watch.....I am %99 sure that monpirri will come back with another salvo, which I promise will go unanswered.

dwmte says on May 18, 2006, 19:14:

HOLY MOLY! aqui ahi mucha lucha... i hope we've heard the fin of the closing arguments.

now back to some serious musicology...

i asked once before if someone knew who sang a salsa song which contained the main refrain..."salsa con papa" i got a lot of replies, all of which told me it wasn't 'salsa con papa'. a conclusion i fail to support. it was the drivenest, strongest, greatest salsa song i've ever heard and they repeated the phrase so many times i can't believe i'm wrong. now don't get me wrong, it's not like i've never been wrong before, hardly... to portray that would be a total aside of the truth...nay, a demonstration of the contrary. but that's not the issue.

which of you so knowledgeable officianados of salsa can come up with the answer to my question. who/what group sings this song. i can't be the only person who's heard it. it's fantastic. HELP!

DW

kernow62 says on May 18, 2006, 21:48:

DW, if you know the approximate time and date just ask the station for their playlist. Perhaps you could also ask the station, perhaps they know the song.

Rubiazo says on May 19, 2006, 00:56:

Are you sure it's not "Salsa Con Coco"?

kernow62 says on May 19, 2006, 05:24:

I thought it was "Salsa con caca". ;-)

dwmte says on May 19, 2006, 06:12:

thanks for the feedback, brothers... that was the recommendation of others in an earlier thread. who sings that? does it meet the other characteristics i mentioned... driving, intense, fantastic, etc?

i definitely want a copy. however! it makes me feel real DUMB to think i'd confuse 'papa' with 'coco'. then again, you're looking at a guy who's made a mistake or two along the way.

all help appreciated.

kernow...i thought you were coming over to daytona the dull...at least that's what you said...a year or so ago. we're off to medallo june 6th for a month or so. it's been so long as the last number of years we've had the task of taking care of our aging parents who have passed since the end of the year. soooooo...back home again and some time with the rest of the family and a whole lot of time with the best friends in the world.

e and i'll give you my tel number or e me your's and we'll chat about this song and other of life's issues.

peace to all.

douglas

kernow62 says on May 19, 2006, 08:25:

Douglas, I am stuck in Orlando caring for my elderly mother. I haven't had a day to myself since before last Christmas so I doubt I will be able to make it over to Daytona.

Monpirri says on May 30, 2006, 20:54:

Super Concierto 100% Puro Colombiano Colombian residents of NY and from everywhere else and PBH friends of Colombia traveling in that direction, you should all try to be at the Super Concierto 100% Puro Colombiano at the Madison Square Garden, Friday July 14th, 2006. There you will be able to enjoy Cumbia, Vallenato y Salsa music from Colombia, or just have a great time with los paisanos colombianos. For more information call 212-957-7798 If you cannot make it to New York stop by Florida on July 20th Turn your speakers on and click on the url

www.congodeoro.com/WelcomeStage.htm

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Miguel_Clavo says on May 30, 2006, 21:24:

Why wasnt it held on July 4th? Presidente Uribes birthday??? seriously, it is his birthday, i am not trying to clown the guy as i believe in him.....=)

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo...faltan 30 días...Colombia es pasión!

"Ignorance is a Weapon of Mass Destruction..."

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

Monpirri says on May 31, 2006, 08:53:

100% Colombiano... APPEARING: GRUPO NICHE, JORGE CELEDON & JIMMY ZAMBRANO, JEAN CARLO CENTENO (MORRE ROMERO), HEBERT VARGAS, CHECO ACOSTA, LOS 50 DE JOSELITO, LISANDRO MEZA (Cumbia), LUIS ALBERTO POSADA & HELENITA VARGAS

100% Colombiano
Theater At Madison Square Garden, New York, NY
Friday, July 14, 2006 08:00 PM

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kat1 (Moderator) says on May 31, 2006, 09:03:

And don't forget the Gold era of Colombia with the Trio Los Panchos with Sin Ti, Amorcito corazon, and the duo Garzon y Collazos. ahhhh Los Boleros what romantic music

engage brain before opening mouth

Monpirri says on Jun 2, 2006, 12:45:

Que pasa Colombia? vasilalo, rumbealo...

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Monpirri says on Jun 2, 2006, 13:00:

I believe I'm aware why you ask. Jose Feliciano is from Puerto Rico.

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platano says on Jun 2, 2006, 15:02:

New Colombian salsa releases (released in 2006) Benedict & The Magic Band, Swing Sabor 3
CD (Col Musica 89659) 2006.

Salsa! From Medellín!

Song titles include:
Los Huesos
Swing Sabor
Y Todavia No
Coquetona
La Vela
El Dueño De La Timba
La Llave
Medley Paz: Ciencia Politica, Paz
Sigue Feliz
Tremendo Problema
Siguelo
Bachata Rosa
Tengo Un Tumbao
La Cumbia Verde
Colombia Mi Seleccion
Que Viva El Poderoso

Musicians include:
Jorge Gaviria Jr. Percusion completa
George "Saxon" Gaviria Trompeta
Juan Pablo "Zimba" Valencia Trombon
Giovanny Montoya Contrabajo
John "Speedy" Pulgarin Guitarra electrica
Pablo Grajales Piano en 1,2,4,9,11,12
Afranio Arango Piano en 13,15,16
Gerardo Antonio "Nito" Casas Piano en 3,5,6,7,8,10
Jorge Mario Barbaran Piano en 14
Miller Isaza Coros
Carlos Mario Coros
Mauricio Mosquera Coros
Welmar Durango Mejia Coros
Benedict Patiño Voz lider y coro

Grupo Gale, 15th Aniversario En Concierto DVD
DVD (Tropisounds 1099) Released 2006;

De Colombia para el mundo!

Song titles include:
Descarga Galé
Ven A Medellin
Para Siempre
Tributo Al Gran Combo : Que Me Lo Den En Vida, Julia, El Menú, Un Verano En New York
Perdóname
Cali Ae
Soy Como Soy
No La Descuides
Beso A Beso
Mi Raza
Volver, Volver
Ya No Te Puedo Amar/Eres Así
Homenaje A Los Embajadores
Fantasia
Mi Novia Y Yo
Nada Puedo Hacer
Mi Vecina
Mas Que Amor
Nadie Te Ama Como Yo
Historia Musical (Detras De Camarras)

Musicians include:
Diego Galé Conga
Jimmy Galé Timbal
Hernan "Tato Tatin" Benitez Bongo y campana
Yeison Garzon Percusión menor
Andres Monoya Percusión menor
Ostual Serna Tres
Pablo Grajales Piano
Alvaro Cabarcas Piano
Sergio Munera Bajo
Christian Fernandez Voz
Carlos Llamosa Voz
Charlie Torres Voz
George Valencia Voz
Invitados Especiales: Jaime Galé, Carlos Guerrero, Juan David Grajales, Luis A. Flores
Jose Aguirre, Orlando Libreros, Ismael Jauregui Trompetas
Morist Jimenez, Ramon Benitez, Juan Pablo Valencia Trombones
Fredy Galé Saxo
Carlos Piña Saxo

Grupo Niche, La Más Sabrosas
CD (Sony/BMG/Norte Vene 657007) Released 2006;

Song titles include:
Una Aventura
Se Parecio Tanto A Ti
Bar Y Copa
Te Enseñare A Olvidar
Busca Por Dentro
Sin Sentimeinto
Amor Amor
Hagamos Lo Que Diga El Corazón
La Negra No Quiere
Gotas De Lluvia
Duele Más
La Gallinita De Los Huevos De Oro

La Tropa, Buscando El Son
CD (Envidia 6353) Released 2006;

Led by vocalist Jorge "Kiny" Murillo, La Tropa is a superb Colombia based salsa band in the classic salsa tradition.

Song titles include:
Mi Son 4:03
A Ti Lavoe 4:07
Decidete 3:38
Vive Feliz 4:41
Lluvia Con Nieve 3:00
Borracho 4:06
Es Dificil 4:48
Yo Quiero Saber 4:52
Tal Vez Vuelvas 3:07
Extra Tracks: El Mundo Esta Loco 3:44
Usted Abuso 4:43
Tiempos Modernos 4:49
Extraño 4:43

Musicians include:
Jorge Corrales Piano
Cristian Villota Piano
Ricardo Sabogal Bajo
Carlos Sabogal Timbal
Juan Manuel Murrillo "Juanito" Percusion
Carlos Latoche Trombon
Leo Morales Trombon
Javier Aponza Trompeta
William Murcia Trompeta
Sandro Barragan Coros
Manuel Tenorio Coros
Mauricio Artunduaga Coros
Jorge "Kiny" Murillo Voz lider y coros
Wichy Camacho Coros
Pedro Brull Coros

plátano

corazon en colombia says on Jun 3, 2006, 07:18:

In defense of Colombia I wanted to respond to something G5 was saying earlier. Something about tourists not going to Colombia, more reasons not to go than to go...

I personally am not Colombian, but I traveled and lived in Colombia for 5 months. Loved it! Would definately go back to live. Yes, there are definite problems and issues, but there definitely are positives too. I love the weather, music, amazing plants, mountains. Just to name a few. From reading posts on this page, I can see that I'm not the only gringa that fell in love with Colombia.

Que viva la musica!

What about mapalé?

Colombia = paradiso

Colombia = paradiso

Monpirri says on Jun 3, 2006, 11:24:

Corazon en colombia Thank you so much for your positive contribution and for el mapalé! Here are some more colombian music. El pasillo, guabina.....


RITMOS POPULARES
1. Cumbia
2. Cumbión
3. Paeaíto
4. Gaita
5. Paseo sabanero
6. Son Sabanero
7. Bullerengue
8. Mapalé
9. Maestranza
10.Puya
11.Porro tapao
12.Porro palitiao
13. Fandango
14. Parrandí
15. Sambapalo
16. Pajarito
17. Chandé
18. Garabato
19. Tambora
20. Pilón
21. Paseo vallenato
22. Son vallenato
23. Puya vallenata
24. Merengue vallenato
25. Canción Vallenata
26. Paseol
27. Abozao
28. Sexteto
29. Son Negro
30. Son Palenque
31. Lumbalú
32. Chalupa
33. Merecumbé
34. Pompo


1. Joropo
2. Galerón llanero
3. Zumba-que-zumba
4. Pasaje
5. Seis


OTROS RITMOS
35. Champeta
36. Calypso
37. Reggae
38. Guaracha
39. Vals Criollo
40. Currulao
41. Bambuco
42. Tamborito
43. Tamborera
44. Murga Panameña
45. Bolero Criollo
46. Salsa Criolla
47. Décimas
48. Pasaje* ENSAYOS RÃ?TMICOS
49. Joesón
50. Chiquichá
51. Boloking
52. Brinquito
53. Cachumbé
54. Calentado
55. Caracolito
56. Carnaval
57. Chucuchú
58. Chunga
59. Cimbanchá
60. Corrigua
61. Cumbero
62. Cumbiambé
63. Cumbiao
64. Huelelé
65. Jalaíto
66. Lalao
67. Mece Mece
68. Meniaíto
69. Merenguillo
70. Montocumbé
71. Pata-Cumbia
72. Pupalé
73. Ritmo Loco
74. Ritmo No.1
75. Ritmo Ri-Ra
76. Romanchá
77. Rumbalé
78. Sirindongo
79. Son caribe
80. Son Cienaguero
81. Son Patuleco
82. Sonsonete
83. Sucreñito
84. El Sua Sua
85. Tableteo
86. Taconeado
87. Teconté
88. Teru Teru
89. Tukimbé
90. Trabalenguas
91. Tumbasón
92. Tumbelé
93. Tuqui Tuqui
94. Chunga
95. Danza Caribe
96. Macumba
97. Malanga
98. La Maya
99. La Parranda
100. La Raspa
101. Manbugay
102. Danzonete
103. Afro colombiano

Monpirri AKA "Yo me Llamo Cumbia"

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008