Colombian middle class & their preferred McDonald’s culture

elmodefoque says on Nov 23, 2005, 07:09:

dated a puerto rican "pejec I dated a puerto rican "project" chick once and her mother called me a worthless, lazy "modefoque" and i liked it.

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utopiacowboy says on Nov 23, 2005, 07:55:

I wonder why none of the Colombians on this forum ever protest what you write Elmo? Could it be that it's accurate?

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Miguel says on Nov 23, 2005, 08:18:

Estoy esperando... For the "incoming"!

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bobbyb says on Nov 23, 2005, 08:19:

In a pigs ass I think I see a little condridiction here elmo buddy. I remember asking you why is it that when us gringos go to latinland we are mauled by the girls, (sometimes guys too)but when I go to a latin club here they treat us like crap. You responded and I'll paraphrase;
"Those are the poor ass broads. Middle class broads don't do that here." Help me understand.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Nov 23, 2005, 08:20:

we just bored!Elmo remind me my dad, always goin on and on when he was a kid and didn't have nothing and everytime he gets drunk is the same story again.
Sorry Elmo btw I hate mac donald, not because it's american is because it's cr**p

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utopiacowboy says on Nov 23, 2005, 08:29:

My Colombian stepkids love Mickey D. Hell they'd eat there every day if they could. Their mother hates it though.

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Miguel says on Nov 23, 2005, 08:38:

Observation I know some higher strata people in La Curramba who are very quick to label other Barranquilleros as "corronchos". From my viewpoint, these upper crusters from North Quilla are just garden variety bigots, and sort of corroncho themselves.
By the way, in the wide open 80's, living in a ski resort in Colorado, I was, to say the least, a rumbero. After a two day Labor Day bender, when my appetite came back, I bee-lined to McDonald's for "nourishment". I wolfed down two Big Macs, and got so sick, I swore off their food and perico the same day! I have not had one of their MurderBurgers or Colombian marching powder since!

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Colombiche says on Nov 23, 2005, 08:41:

Ah Utopia, you instigator :D I usually don't protest Elmo's posts because I think they are purely subjective. I had good experiences in Colombia, he had bad ones. Therefore, if my posts are tainted with nostalgia and good memories, his are tainted with anger toward the female population of Colombia - a fact he repeatedly admits to.

Could I refute what he says? Sure. I was just saving my energy for other battles, but okay here I go...

I am a middle class colombiana. I have no particular preference for say Gringos, or Germans or whatever. If I do actually naturally gravitate to Latin men, it is because we share common roots and language and that will make it easier to pass down my customs and language to my kids. If I met a gringo and I fell head over heels for him, it would be based on his personality, his sense of humor, his feelings, his heart. He wouldn't win my heart merely because he is a gringo, he would have to possess certain universal qualities.. catch my drift?

I have many cousins in Colombia. I even teased many of them about hooking them up with my Canadian buddies residing in colombia. some of them were open to the idea, some weren't, but they were not tripping over themselves or pulling their panties down to their knees as Elmo would so colorfully put it. If I had pushed to the point of introducing them to the guy and the guy turned out to be a jerk, they wouldn't give him the time of day. If he turned out to be nice, they would have given him a second thought, but not because of his Canadian passport but because of who he is.

I think Elmo is making some dangerous generalizations, but that is his style. The fact that is he sitting in front of his pc putting us Colombianas on sale to the general public bothers me, especially because he is the son of a Colombian mother, but I know he is not going to stop doing it no matter what I say. Like I said, his posts are based on emotion and pent up frustration.


Of course, very few people are going to listen to me. Most of you I am sure would rather believe what Elmo is saying because that automatically takes you from being just another dude at the office to being a demi-god in a land where the women are beautiful and plentiful. Who doesn't want an immediate ego boost?

To think that Colombianas are just another normal group of people would be too boring for the thrill seekers.

We all know it is human nature to crave the obscure and the sensational. Otherwise pasquines like the Globe and the National Enquirer would not be selling by the millions.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Nov 23, 2005, 08:43:

One thing for sure is that in Colombia,many people regarding the social class like to name everything in English, and if you go to the north of Bogota, many places have English names specially the Zona Rosa.

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Albatross says on Nov 23, 2005, 08:45:

I'll have a Big Mac I love MacDonalds even though I know it's unhealthy crap...

Same goes for Budweiser and Coca-Cola.

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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utopiacowboy says on Nov 23, 2005, 08:50:

Oh, Colombiche, you're going to deflate the entire myth around Colombianas and bring us tumbling back to earth by saying things like "To think that Colombianas are just another normal group of people would be too boring for the thrill seekers." Yes, boys, they put their panties on one leg at a time.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Nov 23, 2005, 08:53:

Elmo said "This is the reason why I tell all my gringo buddies, want top notch Colombian broads? take your sorry ass to Colombia, is a gringos paradise." I don't think that is very nice to said about us, what are you taking us for, Elmo, I've got nieces and a sister I don't want that sterotype on them sorry.

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Albatross says on Nov 23, 2005, 08:55:

? You don't want your nieces and sister stereotyped as "top-notch" ???

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Nov 23, 2005, 08:58:

you know what I mean albatros, they are going to think that all Colombian girls are easy, and that is what they are going to expect when they come over to Colombia.
Sorry Elmo but you are been having to post a bit heavy on Colombia, specially the women.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Nov 23, 2005, 08:59:

if I were a colombiana I'd be pretty bored of Elmo's one-sided analysis of Colombian women by now. Elmo is basically a story-teller and his aim is to entertain his public. He has created an on-line personality that is vulgar, gross, funny and somehow endearing; he has never ever insulted any poster or attacked anybody in person.

He's a caricature of the poor colombian boy who made it good in the States, against all odds and has much to thank his adopted country for his success. At the same time he carries all the stigma and resentment of an underpriviledged colombiano to the point where all his post have become basically the same story. You can do better than that, Elmo!

Cheers,
Desi


Embrace your uniqueness. Time is much too short to be living someone
else's life.

-Kobi Yamada

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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Colombiche says on Nov 23, 2005, 09:01:

Elmo Viejo, de la manera que vos estas expresandote, estas ofendiendo a las mujeres Colombianas como Kat y yo.

Porque lo haces? No te da un poco de pena por las mujeres que no merecen ser marcadas por ese estereotipo? Acuerdate llave, que a ti te pario una colombiana, no una gringa.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Nov 23, 2005, 09:03:

Yes Desi, story teller and entertain his public, but not at expenses of Colombian women. I am Colombia and I don't like anymore. How we said in colombia, tanta agua va alcantaro hasta que se rompe

And I am sure if this thread would have been written by another poster, it would have been deleted by now.

To tell you the thruth Colombiche I feel offended

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utopiacowboy says on Nov 23, 2005, 09:08:

Oh, Kat. Poor little pitcher.

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Albatross says on Nov 23, 2005, 09:08:

Good Luck Elmo... Here we go... the ladies are mounting their offensive against Elmo.

Will they take down this PBH icon with their feminist rhetoric?

Or will the forces of balance and free speech win the day.

We’ll be back after a short commercial break...


DRINK PEPSI !!!

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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litost says on Nov 23, 2005, 09:09:

I protested angrily to the already classic, initial posts by elmo. Now I realize where he comes from and that he has his very subjective vision of Colombia based on his experiences and general vision of the world. I usually don't have the time or the patience to refute every little thing he says which I disagree with... that would pretty much equal to a half time job. He has a great sense of humour and I'm pretty sure even he doesn't believe half the stuff he says, I do worry sometimes that gullable foreigners eat the stuff up and swear Colombia is the way he portrays it. In between the lines of jokes and anecdotes, I get a sense of someone full of sadness and frustration.

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Colombiche says on Nov 23, 2005, 09:12:

Ditto Litost But I hadn't even bothered answering to this thread until Utopia went nudge, nudge. I don't have the time or energy either.

Elmo's writing style is actually elaborate enough to make me question whether he was actually alphabetized at at later age. He sounds like he read and re-read Huck Finn and felt very influenced by it.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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oldbongo says on Nov 23, 2005, 09:18:

really,...boys and girls... no one can really be offended by elmo...
he's too sweet, never, never, bitter.
c'mon, kat, and new colombiche, the fiesta on the yate is just getting orgnized again, and you two are invited, to experience for yourselves, just how nice that old kid is.
by the way, la comandante, mi costenita jovencita, loves elmo.

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DanielPaisa says on Nov 23, 2005, 09:22:

you know... The name of this forum is FRIENDLY talkzone. Althou i also fin offensive most of elmo's comments, and almos every colombiana i know doesn't fit in this description, i don't think the way to discuss this is calling Elmo someone rescented, or atacking him. I totally agree with Kat, Desi and i believe elmo's generalization went a little too far, but let's try to keep on focus and discuss troygh arguments, not personal insults.

I believe i know wich thread moved elmo to start this thread, and so, im pulling myself together for a better response

Daniel, el Paisa

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Nov 23, 2005, 09:22:

Old gringo, somebody told me that elmo in real life was a true gentleman and in some of his PM's he is nice, but he doesn't need to portrays us like that for a bit of sense of humour. I am sure he has lots of funny thing to say and he is funny too don't get me wrong. but not to take us the subject of his entertaiment, a true gentleman don't do that. I am a Colombiana and so far I have been treating Elmo with respect.

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elmodefoque says on Nov 23, 2005, 09:34:

I happened to like gringos, I grew up in their country, not once was I bared from entering any of the hottest clubs in their best cities, but my wife was bared from mango’s in Medellin and I was not allowed ( because of my color) in Mr. Babilla a hell hole in Cartagena. My wife is paisa but from dark costeno parents with a smile that could light up Broadway and a personality to match. I have only 2 Colombian friends and hundreds of gringos and from the Caribbean. I did not grow up in Queens, the few Colombians I’ve met here, I don’t like. Yes middle class and wealthy love the crap outta gringos because they see them as status symbol, and women go nuts for them. Not all women in Colombia think like that. FARC does not recruit soldiers in la zona Rosa in Bogotá or Villa Country in Barranquilla; they recruit from the poorest most dangerous towns in Colombia. Their hatred for the wealthy and gringos is no big secret, a middle class woman, in most cases, drop their panties as soon as they see a gringo, a very poor girl soon to be guerrillera would rather cut the gringos throat from ear to ear and watch the life fade from his pretty blue eyes. That my friend is the two colombias, the poor and the rich. I know the very poor, I was one, I know how they think, I know what they dislike and like and American culture is not one.
now i gotta go and hang out with my gringo buddies, chao

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Nov 23, 2005, 09:36:

actually, I'm not attacking elmo, the person behind his caricature at all, on the contrary, I'm defending him at the same time as I think that his parody of Colombians, women and men is really too one-dimensional and that's a disservice he doing to his fellow colombianos and especially, colombianas.

There's maybe around 10% truth in all his stories about the corroncho life; the rest is just fiction and entertainment.

Cheers,
Desi

Embrace your uniqueness. Time is much too short to be living someone
else's life.

-Kobi Yamada

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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Albatross says on Nov 23, 2005, 09:40:

Elmo... I doubt you would have liked Mango's much anyway.
It's full of blancos ricos, (not a single mullato or negro) and American West memorabilia.
I stayed all of about 15 min.

And Desi: at least he's entertaining.

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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webmanco says on Nov 23, 2005, 09:41:

No vale la pena In Colombia as in many countries one learns to deal with different personalities, it takes sometimes just a brief conversation to learn that to discuss or get your point across.it will be a lost battle, not to mention time and energy.

This is the case I see specially in a couple of posters when describing Colombian women EMF and GIB, the lattes also in security concerns. as well.

It angers me a lot, but “a palabras necias oidos sordos”

I am pretty sure EMF was highly welcome in another land mostly for Colombian related products. ……..

Post like “The Colombian middle-class and their preferred Macdonald’s culture” , although is not to be deleted it is to be edited somehow.

Prefiero vivir con arepita, envueltos, masato, sancocho, ajiaco, platos nacionales, productos de Macdonalds ni en pintura

__________________________________________________________________
Indio me dicen y a mí me causa mucho honor.



December

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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utopiacowboy says on Nov 23, 2005, 09:42:

Don't get me started on Mango's. To me it's the very worst of Medellin and Colombia. I'd rather sit at the toll booth in Los Cedros for a week with the pigs and the stray dogs than set foot in that place for five minutes.

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oldbongo says on Nov 23, 2005, 09:44:

takes one, to know one..kat. and you are sweet too,
thats why you are moved by my son, elmo.
have you forgotton how he portrays himself?
it's not a pretty picture.,...no mercy.
me neither..
the oldgringo is all the worst you can imagine,
short, fat, old, bald, hairy, ugly in spades,etc....
and elmo's way with words should not hurt you, or your kids.
at the end of the day, as you know, he trusts himself to sleep,..
knowing there is a colombiana, six inches away, who could do him in.
good morning everyone.

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litost says on Nov 23, 2005, 09:46:

I only WISH I could write as elaborately as Elmo does in english, cause putting substance aside it makes for some very easy and entertaining reading. And even educational, in a way, since he talks about an angle of Colombia I myself as a colombian am not very familiar with. Unfortunately, he and some of his fans may fail to ralize it is just one of the MANY lenses you could see Colombia through. But he writes so well, it ends up sucking you in and those who know no better are completely convinced.

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oldbongo says on Nov 23, 2005, 09:50:

yay..tinto. ho ho ho!!!

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Nov 23, 2005, 10:12:

I agree with webmanco I know many posters will said to ignore the post and don't read it, but because it was Elmo's I though sometimes he has interesting post, but lately I have notice how much he has this anger towards Colombianas.
but true what you said a palabras necias oidos sordos.

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utopiacowboy says on Nov 23, 2005, 10:27:

I guess you could say Mango's is also the place to see and be seen. By the wannabes, the Mafiosos and the silicone princesses.

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morphus says on Nov 23, 2005, 10:29:

i'm a gringo and i meet Colombianas in crummy neigborhoods all the time. heres me with one in South Bogota.

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morphus says on Nov 23, 2005, 10:31:

then i make them ride the bus to Mcdonalds. they love it

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morphus says on Nov 23, 2005, 10:33:

they got some good burgers at the MickeyD's in Colombia. there, its considered "La mesa buena"

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morphus says on Nov 23, 2005, 10:38:

i can't wait to go to Elmodefoque's neigborhood in Barranquilla and meet those mamitas ricas.

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Miguel says on Nov 23, 2005, 11:00:

morphus With your over estimated self opinion of your "game", you would last about 12 hours in Barranquilla. You remind me of another pendejo here in the past named Mitch that posted his macho pictures and general bullshit about his "conquests" in Cartagena.

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ElPadrino1 says on Nov 23, 2005, 11:07:

Seems many here become angered when more then one POV is expressed.Elmo Presents his and residents of that area and class inform me he is pretty much spot on mates and lassies. He offended no one by name is this post; why the Hostility? Is there only one "Side to Your Coin"? For Elmo "Lo que se aprende en la cuna, siempre dura"(what's learned in childhood endures for a lifetime) Its refreshing to read how someone in Elmo's situation made his journey in life, methinks he presents a side of life in colombia that others here would as soon slip under the table or refuse it exists. Dictators of Communist countries like only one side to the news. If one doesn't enjoy Elmo's thoughts then scroll on by and let us who do enjoy his posts continue to do so.

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Albatross says on Nov 23, 2005, 11:09:

. Hope she's not TOO nice...

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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Rubiazo says on Nov 23, 2005, 11:26:

Yeah morphus ditto Looks nicer than where I live in the Bronx anyways, and I'm in what's considered a good hood here!

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Nov 23, 2005, 11:32:

GIB the way you describe it it's hard to have money, you are never going to find happiness if you live with that fear all the time. If something happen to my husband (touch wood not) I will be left well off, If I want to share my life with somebody again I don't want to live with that worry. why he is with me? that mean i am that insecure? or I am that unnatractive that men just want me for my money? and living my life testing him if he loves me or not, another thing if a gringo is very good looking it does matter if he got money or not women will drool all over him in Colombia and in the States. just the insecure and ugly ones are the one that question why the girls are looking at me?

At the last thing now that I am in the fighting mode, what is wtih gringo and "crummy places" hell I grew up in Kennedy and you don't need to be a super hero to go there, my husband never gave it a second though when he was in Colombia, he never said I am in Kennedy look I am very brave. he is been even in Simon bolivar and i havent seen an extra muscle growing on him

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Rubiazo says on Nov 23, 2005, 11:35:

at Kat and Colombiche I don't think you are really getting Elmo's point. He isn't personally indicting you or your relatives. He is pointing out a very real trend that is very common in many parts of the world.

You both are expats and don't have the luxury of taking anything you miss about Colombia for granted, because it is no longer yours. Unfortunately many people in Colombia suffer from the 'grass is greener' mentality and long to be somewhere else, not realizing just how much they would have to give up to do so.

I think that really the people who need to take that message to heart are those who are currently living in places like Colombia, Brazil, etc. I LOVE being able to bash Canada and the US in front of those people because hopefully it will make them think that maybe the streets arent really paved with gold over there after all, and that not EVERY aspect of life is better here than there.

My biggest fear for Colombia is that it will become too much like the USA or Canada, paranoid, litiginous, materialistic, etc. Maybe if it gets better economically these things will be unavoidable, who knows? But I think that in general people tend to undervalue the other side of life in Colombia which Elmo glorifies on here, and I'd hate to see it disappear the way it seems to have in NYC.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Nov 23, 2005, 11:41:

ah Padrino My father had a childhood similar to Elmo, no wait a bit worst his mother abandoned him when he was barely 2 years old, his dad drawn when he was a baby, and he grew up with an untie that her husband used to be the hell out of my dad and treated him badly, my dad left and went to studied and work in Barranquilla. he met my mum afterward and started working really hard and then he move all of us to Bogota when he was in his 20's he studied to be a lawyer and became one, he didn't have the opportunity to go to the USA, he have to work really hard here in Colombia to be were he is today, and I don't see him bashing anybody or being resenfult towards anybody, he doesn't brushed under the carpet, he moved on, he forgave his mother for leaving him, he is a happy person with no hatred towards anybody.

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utopiacowboy says on Nov 23, 2005, 11:45:

I like it when you're in "fighting" mode, Kat. I bet you can make Larry grow an extra muscle.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Nov 23, 2005, 11:46:

rubiazo elmo is an expat, what different have his opinion to ours, I am an expat, but all my family, sister,mother, niece, are in there. And I came to the UK when I was 21 not when I was a child. my tennager years were there, I am not disputing that there are girls in Colombia and not only girls men too, people in general that think that the grass is greener on the other side, but why to describe the Colombian women in such a vulgar manner. not just in this post but in the other ones too.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Nov 23, 2005, 11:48:

UC you know what is a costena in a fighting mode!!! here I'm trying to contain myself. trying to be a lady. :P

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DeltaDawg says on Nov 23, 2005, 11:48:

McD's I remember laughing so hard when I drove by the McD's in Cartagena my first night there. The second night we were walking through town and wanted to get something to eat and mi novia said lets go to McD's. I told her no way. I get too much of that at home. But we did go get McFlurry's later on for her. I just couldn't see traveling 3600 miles to go to McDonalds for dinner. She will get more than she can handle when she gets here.

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utopiacowboy says on Nov 23, 2005, 11:50:

And what a lady you are!

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ElPadrino1 says on Nov 23, 2005, 11:58:

Beware that McDonalds on the AutoPisto Norte in Bogota how many remember when that little boy was playing in that large outside playhouse(maybe 5-6 years ago) with the colored plastic balls and was Bit by a Viper and died almost immediately. The figured they Snake jumped onto the cargo along the road enroute from the coast.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Nov 23, 2005, 12:09:

I know there are dangerous place in Bogota, around kennedy, candelaria etc, but why is that when a gringo goes there he think he is a superheroe. from now on Larry is superLarry then.

I remembered that Padrino, and I remember too that a woman bought a bunch of grapes here in the UK in a big supermarket and inside the bag was a black widow spider. maybe the snake like american stuff, not Colombian food

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utopiacowboy says on Nov 23, 2005, 12:12:

With a woman like you for a wife, Kat, he is worthy of being called SuperLarry! I know you could super size me.

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elmodefoque says on Nov 23, 2005, 12:20:

Morphus, I’ve seen some poor but hot babes in FARC uniform.
I gotta apologize to Colombian women here, my anger was really meant toward Colombia in general, and not anyone specific. I’ll go into that later.
I find colombianas irresistible, extremely sexy and beautiful, but they are brought up not to like guys like me, and let anyone here tell me different. I gotta accept that is not their fault is just rooted deep in Colombian middle class society, I will never get any of that hot action, so I end up frustrated playing with my self in the men’s room, thinking about kat, colombiche, lauthra, etc. la cremita de colombia
Now getting back to Colombian middle class and wealthy and places they hang out. The main reason for my anger toward Colombia, first came from my years living there, way back, even before the Beatles, I think Gabo was a kid too. I have no happy recollections, only of my burrita and when I was 6 or 8, my buddies and I found 80 pesos and bought bread and a bottle of Ron. That was the very first time I got drunk, have not stopped since. We bought bread cause we had not eaten for nearly 2 days and it was Christmas, toys? What the hell was that? To top it off a few months later my mother abandoned us and took off with a bus driver. We were left wondering the streets of curramba until my father found us a couple years later. Among many horrible things I experienced as a poor black corroncho modefoque I’ve forgotten most, but I was reminded last year when I was told that I could not enter Mr. Babilla in cartagena. Ok, I could deal with that, who wants to gotto that dump anyway, is no China Club. WHAT REALLY PISSED ME OFF was that my very young paisa wife (costeno parents) last trip to Medellin, 6 months ago, was not allowed in Mangos. Not more than 3 months earlier we were in the original “Mango’s” in freaking Miami, USA and for her not to be allowed in this piece of crap half ass imitation, burns me up. What I find even more stomach wrenching is that for her growing up in Medellin and being called NEGRA all her life did not bothered her because racism was the norm. Keep in mind, for Puerto Ricans to call each other Negro/a is sign of honor and respect, NOT in Colombia. Now if you really hate a modefoque, INDIO is their word of choice. My wife was working as a bio engineer for Arizona ice tea NJ, making the salary of ten of those modefoques that were allowed in, yet she was kept out because of her color.
Enough of this, I gotta get my ass to the village, happy hour begins at 5, I’m off for 4 days and I wanna get polluted and not stop until Sunday night.

PROUD ENEMY OF THE RIGHT WING!!!!!! THANK YOU!

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utopiacowboy says on Nov 23, 2005, 12:29:

This is too much. Batiendote mientras pensando de la cremita de colombia! Yo también, Señor.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Nov 23, 2005, 12:38:

Never been in Mr Babilla or mango biche, I need to go to see what is all the fuzz about. My sisters have been in Mr Babilla Cartagena and they said is nothing special and too expensive

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Rubiazo says on Nov 23, 2005, 12:39:

elmo I think you could get with a lot of these expat girls. You will remind them of everything they miss in Colombia.

I get upset when people post negatively about certain aspects of life in Colombia because often they have the same problems the next neighborhood or the next town over but are too ignorant to realize it! But what Elmo is talking about is something that needs to come to light.

No matter what you say about the USA good or bad, the facts are that it has declined as a nation in almost every way recently and who wants to imitate a nation in decline? Colombia could do a lot better for itself than that, really!

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Rubiazo says on Nov 23, 2005, 12:44:

And as for contributions to the arts As far as I'm concerned South America totally trumps North America on that one, ESPECIALLY in music! Especially since the output of good music in USA/Canada has really slowed to a mere trickle in the past 20 years.

Brazil is actually an even worse example of people blindly admiring gringo culture than Colombia, although this co-exists with rapidly growing anti-gringo sentiments. It's an unfortunate fact that as a gringo they are either going to love you or hate you, and either way it is probably based on a misconception or on a stereotype that probably doesnt apply to anybody who would take up permanent residence in a place like Colombia in the first place.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Nov 23, 2005, 12:45:

rubiazo correction, we will remind each other what we miss about Colombia.

GIB is you are gorgeous as you said you are, and I have seen you pict, and yes you are not bad, then you dont have to worry about why girl want to sleep with you, they want to sleep with you because you are GORGEOUS. worry if you were and ugly,gringo or have small...!!

hell i need a glass of wine!

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Rubiazo says on Nov 23, 2005, 12:48:

kat point taken :)

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utopiacowboy says on Nov 23, 2005, 12:54:

I guess that's one of the rea Not for you, a guy with a small....hehehe....I guess that's one of the reasons he is known as SuperLarry, the man with extra msucle!

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morphus says on Nov 23, 2005, 12:58:

you have to laugh at those Colombians that think they are high class with their cheap Mazdas and Daewoos. the funniest thing you can see in Colombia is at Olviedo mall in Poblado. as you walk in you will see a bunch of snobby Colombians eating dinner and listening to classical music the restaurant. i like walking by them with a can of beer and belching.

as far as i know "negra" is not a bad word in Medellin. i know a girl that has a dark sister and the parents call her "negra" all the time. thats very strange though that Elmodefoque and his wife would'nt be allowed into nightclubs. i find that hard to believe. i seen their pictures and they don't look much darker than the average Colombian.

Miguel, i can understand why you are jealous of me. i can do more "damage" in Colombia with the ladies in one week than you Colombian guys can do in one year. i don't need a car or money in Colombia like the Colombian guys do. i'm in a class by myself.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Nov 23, 2005, 12:59:

the guy with extra msucle, what is that? hehehe

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Colombiche says on Nov 23, 2005, 13:08:

Elmo I can't speak for Kat and Lauthra, but for example in my case you are wrong to assume that I would have turned down a guy just because of his skin color or social status. Nothing could be further from the truth, I am light skinned Colombiana and really have never been with anybody who isn't at least 4 shades darker than me.

Had I remained in Colombia I know I would be the same way, I just have a natural attraction for darker skin, you know opposites attract. I know in colombia it is the buff mulato soldados that catch my eye, I find those rugged strong featured guys working the country side much more desirable than a pale, skinny and girly gomelitos that hang around la zona rosa. You are right, maybe my Colombian family would think i am loca, but that is fine by me, never cared for anybody's opinion when it comes to living my life.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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utopiacowboy says on Nov 23, 2005, 13:11:

Sorry, Kat, I was too excited there drooling on my keyboard.

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Colombiche says on Nov 23, 2005, 13:21:

Put it this way Elmo I have seen your pic and I have seen the pics of some of these gringo guys that are boasting about how hot they are.

In my Colombiana opinion, you are way handsomer than any of them Elmo. These colombian girls must have astigmatism or something, to take guys like that over a dark looker like you. I can understand flipping over a gringo that looks like Brad Pitt or Mathew McConaghey (wow), but not over guys that are average on their own turf.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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utopiacowboy says on Nov 23, 2005, 13:32:

When are you going to show us YOUR pic? Tell you what, show me yours and I'll show you mine. I never boast about how hot I am - I'm one ugly pasty gringo. My mom used to have to tie a pork chop around my neck to get the dogs to play with me.

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Colombiche says on Nov 23, 2005, 13:34:

Ja ja ja Utopia, I already told you that I am 400 pounds and I have a mustache, not to mention I just grew a mole the size of Texas.

But because I am so charming and exotic, I put men under a spell. They fall prey to me just to find out what it is like to be with a circus freak.

Ja ja ja.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Nov 23, 2005, 13:34:

I have not preference as long as they are easy to the eyesjejej. I like ferchy

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utopiacowboy says on Nov 23, 2005, 13:40:

OK, Colombiche, I have a thread for you speaking of brujeria.

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Colombiche says on Nov 23, 2005, 13:41:

Yeah I read that one Crap speaking of brujeria.... okay, nevermind, where is that thread, I will post my story there!!

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Colombiche says on Nov 23, 2005, 13:44:

UGLE I'm one ugly pasty gringo. My mom used to have to tie a pork chop around my neck to get the dogs to play with me.

So are you so ugly that when you were born the doctor said "If it doesn't start crying, it must be the placenta".. ja ja. Just kidding.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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utopiacowboy says on Nov 23, 2005, 14:01:

The doctor kept smacking me even after I was crying. I think even my mother and the nurses got in a few whacks. She tried to trade me for a baby pig but the owner said the pig was smarter and better looking.

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Miguel says on Nov 23, 2005, 19:30:

Morphus Where in my post did I mention I was jealous of you and why do you assume I am a colombiano? Wrong on both accounts, gordo, and all the more reason to repeat that IF you even attempted running your psuedo "game" in south Quilla, you would qualify for The Giving Papaya Hall Of Fame.

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vladimiro says on Nov 23, 2005, 20:05:

Spanish term for those intoxicated by gringo-itis? Is there a word in Colombia that's used to refer to the class of people that so enamored with American culture?

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morphus says on Nov 23, 2005, 20:47:

Miguel is a Spanish name and i don't think you are THE Miguel from the old Menudo music group. so either you are Colombian or a Colombian wannabee. not me. i don't fool myself about being Latino despite speaking pretty good Spanish and being more handsome than most Colombian men. i guess i'm going to have to make it a mission to go to Barranquilla and show you guys what i can do. you think i'm going to show up in a bar with a bunch of mean carranchos hanging out? its not happening. they won't like me because i'm more handsome than they are. i will find the chicas in other places.

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Rubiazo says on Nov 23, 2005, 22:05:

Vladimiro hell yeah Lambones!

I think next time I go to Colombia I'm gonna get a T-shirt custom made saying 'gringo hijueputa' and walk around like that. I'll tell them I got inspired from some graffiti I saw on Chapinero.

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utopiacowboy says on Nov 23, 2005, 22:10:

Maybe he's just plain old Miquel and that's his name. I work with guys named Rafael and Carlos and they're neither Colombian nor Colombian wannabes.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Nov 24, 2005, 06:31:

I prefer europe to the USA. k I prefer Europe to the USA. kind of more sophisticated :)

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vladimiro says on Nov 24, 2005, 07:01:

GIB, maybe you are correct. I know Colombians that love Mexican culture, would much rather move to Mexico than anywhere and come to think of it they are from working class.

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litost says on Nov 24, 2005, 07:26:

Well it is a very well known old joke in Colombia...

The lower class wants to be like the mexicans, the middle class dream of the US, and the upper class consider themselves european.

It should be taken for what it is, a joke, and obviously an enormous generalization of a large and complex population. But when you hear it, it does seem to ring a bell of truth in your head.

I also prefer european culture and the general lifestyle here, it just seems to me it has much more to offer than the US. I would by no means be considered upper class, at most I guess an ambitious middle class colombian with some luck and a very dedicated mother. I think a lot of colombians who study even in the most expensive universities would fall under this category, far from the image of a spoiled filthy rich upper class worshipers of foreign products and dismissive of colombian culture.

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Rubiazo says on Nov 25, 2005, 00:28:

I think that that Constantine lifestyle Is largely unattainable in Europe these days, nobody can really afford it anymore.

One thing I agree with Chavez on, Latin Americans need to look to each other and work together more. The rest of the world really doesnt' have as much to offer as one might think it does.

I certainly don't think Colombia would benefit by copying too many American institutions. The one exception that would come to mind is that they should make life for small businesses easier. You can argue supply side when you are talking about creating trusts or monopolies of really large corporations, but in the case of small businesses, supply side works and has been shown to work.

I see that Colombia is following Brazil's lead in energy policy and in public transportation. This I think is a great move.

What America wants Colombia to do is to raise the tax burden on the middle class, put more cars on the road and burn more oil, and criminalize everything that even remotely smacks of having fun.

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ElPadrino1 says on Nov 25, 2005, 10:04:

Good Post Rubiazo BTW, Brazil (Lula De Silva)President has made it Manditory that all Cars sold in Brazil MUST be of Muti-Fuel Type. Their Motors must be able to have the Capacity to Burn 3 fuels(reg.gasoline, natural gas(gaseous form) and liquid natural gas I beleive. That Law started this year if my memory serves me correctly. One thing no one has mentioned concerning Col(and in this respect they are a little like Venezuela) and that is with ALL the Wealth Colombia HAS HAD for Decades, they Now should so be highly advanced-developed. They have everything(col&Ven) Oil, Minerals, Industrious People, Universities and an over-abundance of Scheming Politicians Hell Bent on stealing the Countries Blind.This Statement does NOT include the Current Presidents of either Col. or Venezuela(Chavez is spending his country's Own Money on his people -not stealing it for himself) as they seem Honest and especially in Venezuela's case, wanting to move his country on an Independent Road.I hope the people rise up and kick these Crooks out and then the Country can Progress. The problem is this Corruption is so ingrained into the fabric of life it will take much effort by all but it can be done and CHILE is a Prime example and now the pride of South America(as far as business and stability)Old Pinochet has been indicted as of two days ago so Justice can be served when the people are serious. Serious with a capital "S" that is. And the $64000 Dollar question how did these groups like the FARC, ALN ever get into the situation where they were allowed to develop and flourish in the first place? Like a Bacteria, conditions were ripe in Colombia to permit them to flourish and it must be studied(reasons) so this never happens again. As they say, to know the future, a Civilization must understand its history. Or be like the Roman Empire, doomed to faliure and a civilization that was completely lost for all times(mayan culture also)

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ElPadrino1 says on Nov 25, 2005, 13:24:

I stand Corrected(by myself of course haha) Rubiazo That comment on the Multi Fuel Cras in Brazil should say "Alcohol" as a 3rd Fuel and not LNG.

"HYBRID: The new sedan, which can run on gasoline, alcohol or natural gas, is expected to be a big hit in Brazil's urban areas, where natural gas is cheap

AP , SAO PAULO, BRAZIL
Sunday, Aug 15, 2004,Page 11

Advertising General Motors Co on Friday unveiled Brazil's first factory-produced car to run on gasoline, alcohol or natural gas, and a top government official said South America's largest country hopes to export the technology abroad.
Economic Development Minister Luiz Furlan also predicted GM's "multi-fuel" car will be a big hit in Brazil's urban areas, where the three types of fuel are readily available and natural gas is the cheapest option".

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elmodefoque says on Nov 28, 2005, 08:27:

is it safe to come out? i had turkey at my daughters place, she might be pretty, sexy and all, but she CAN'T cook for shit!
no wonder they always eat out.

PROUD ENEMY OF THE RIGHT WING!!!!!! THANK YOU!

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Berracol says on Feb 15, 2006, 07:42:

modefoque is your only successful bet, an appropiate nickname You are wrong thinking that you was rejected from some Colombian places,while at the same time you were accepted in the equivalent places in USA. The places are not the same. You think they are because in USA you see those places with other glass colored lens. You are still overwhelmingly by the USA latin's paradise and that USA is the heaven's outlet. Forget that! In the states the only difference is that there are not social stratification in the same way Colombia does. You are the same colombian guy that some day left eveything and go to the states because you had nothing to loose. And know something funny?, you are still there: nothing to loose. Your portorican girl's mother was right!

Berracol

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utopiacowboy says on Feb 15, 2006, 17:37:

You lost me, dude. Were you slamming him upside the head?

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rocinante says on May 14, 2008, 14:23:

Is this all we got on McDonalds?

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

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goin_south says on May 14, 2008, 15:52:

morphus, had you had that $19.99 black fake leather jacket back in 2005, you could likely have moved up a few estratas in crummy barrios & chicas, eh? (and, maybe a few years, 2)

Where do we go from here?

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morphus says on May 14, 2008, 17:08:

Yeah and if you had whitened your dentures you might not have had to marry a prostitute :)

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morphus says on May 14, 2008, 17:09:

So did the viagra get you hard enough to sodomize your new family? You can't keep them tied up in the basement forever :)

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goin_south says on May 14, 2008, 17:19:

shshshshs......!

Where do we go from here?

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