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Colombian hostage taken with Betancourt freed
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HAVANA (AFP) - Colombia's Marxist FARC rebels Tuesday freed Clara Rojas, kidnapped with French-Colombian politician Ingrid Betancourt in 2002, and some other abductees, Cuba's official news agency Prensa Latina reported.
Prensa Latina said the freed captives were believed to have been handed over to Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.
By NataliaV on Dec 18, 2007, 10:55 in Friendly Talkzone.
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juancegomez says on Dec 18, 2007, 10:56: Apparently not free yet, to be freed, and they are supposedly three hostages, including Clara Rojas and her child.
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NataliaV says on Dec 18, 2007, 11:29: yeah - I saw that, but my spanish isn't that advanced, so I always seek out the english version ;-)
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fecherklyn says on Dec 18, 2007, 15:22: "Lets hope more follow, but great news".
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catherine b says on Dec 18, 2007, 17:20: Has anyone noticed the timing of this release and who exactly are being released???
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aguardiente says on Dec 19, 2007, 00:53: It is strange but I have not read that Chavez hated Colombia.
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aztec says on Dec 19, 2007, 01:26: aguardiente, Maybe you just need a little more information.
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aguardiente says on Dec 19, 2007, 05:03: Aztec, I do not understand where you see hate for Colombia in this killing ????
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ellbee2 says on Dec 19, 2007, 05:24: Catherine b...You are really trying to equate teaching a child right from wrong with a person who was trying right a wrong by going outside her comfort zone and into a clearly dangerous situation? If you look at history, effective change has usually involved some brave soul or souls putting themselves in harms way for what they believe. Your suggestion that Ms. Bettencourt, somehow got what she deserved is not only insensitive but ignorant. According to your logic no one should travel to, or do business in Colombia because of the advance warnings our respective Governments have issued. "You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going because you might not get there." Yogi Berra 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Cartagena Hooker says on Dec 19, 2007, 06:02: Betancourt was a psudo intelectuial, upper class heroine, of the French. She had less than 1% of the vote and gave away viagra with the slogan " stand up for Colombia. She is typical of the bored ruling class. She, (until now) had never experienced poverty and hardeship. Her venue was the fincas and secured estates of the power brokers and university professors who scream, hijo de puta, at Uribe. The lower and middle class think what she did was stupid and think her present learning experience is "justo". I have very little sympathy for one who thinks she can embrace FARC and call them brothers. She expected that she would be treated as a fellow traveler and work together with them to find a better Colombia. in actuality they are nothing but bandits using a mission of equality to con the ignorant in the fashion of Saint Che and his buddy Fidel. She got what she deserved.
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catherine b says on Dec 19, 2007, 07:42: In response to ellbee2, I'm neither insensitive nor ignorant. But you're obviously very ignorant of the history of Farc if you seriously believe that Ms. Betancourt was gonna make a "positive change" by venturing into Farc controlled territory. For over 40 years the Colombian government has tried to negotiate with FARC to no avail. Under Pastrana, he practically gave away the country to them and they continued to murder, rape, kidnap, and steal.
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catherine b says on Dec 19, 2007, 09:31: Ok, now I'm fuming. This is so typical of those FARC criminals. They're demanding that Uribe resign as president if he wants the 45 hostages released. For those who don't read Spanish I'm sorry, but here's the latest released just 25 minutes ago.
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billyb says on Dec 19, 2007, 10:44: See, it just goes to show that those pieces of shit have no intention of negotiating in good faith. Now that they know they have no chance to win by force of arms, they are trying to backdoor it with the help of their accomplices Chavez and the traitor Cordova.
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aguardiente says on Dec 19, 2007, 15:09: mmmm who is this catherine b mmmm?
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aguardiente says on Dec 19, 2007, 15:13: Take off your mask, Uribe b !
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billyb says on Dec 19, 2007, 15:20: If she sounds like me, it must be becuase she is incredibly intelligent and presient ;))
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aguardiente says on Dec 19, 2007, 15:26: "For over 40 years the Colombian government has tried to negotiate with FARC to no avail"
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billyb says on Dec 19, 2007, 15:29: Agua, you sound too retarded to bother arguing with.
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billyb says on Dec 19, 2007, 15:31: I was wondering when his no less retarded brother was going to check in :))
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aguardiente says on Dec 19, 2007, 15:38: Yes cassi he must be paid by Buschuribe because an intelligent person could not sincerely defend his point of view. Sad.
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Rikito says on Dec 19, 2007, 15:47: Agua, you are in some serious intellectual danger when cassini77 agrees with you. Maybe you can both be prom dates. It is not life that matters, but the journey. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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catherine b says on Dec 19, 2007, 16:50: aguardiente and cassini77 want to puke and shit on my face, huh? Spoken like the true pro farc trash that you are. I'm delighted by your scatological vocabulary because you make my job so much easier :D Like Chavez, every time you open your mouths or type on your keyboard you prove yet again that you only possess 2 brain cells a piece ...and they're both playing hide and seek with each other.
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billyb says on Dec 19, 2007, 17:33: I think Catherine just gave the two resident morons a bitch slapping,jaja.
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Colombiche says on Dec 19, 2007, 20:26: "Now an entire country is expected to sacrifice its gains in stability and security for Ms. Betancourt who ...I will repeat it again and again..GOT HERSELF KIDNAPPED through her own arrogance and foolishness!" No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Colombiche says on Dec 19, 2007, 20:29: I am loving this heated discussion but let's try to keep it civil. Attack the point of view but not the poster. No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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slguy says on Dec 19, 2007, 21:01: I heard the French just lowered their internal security status from "hide" to "run". Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Robert Jorge says on Dec 19, 2007, 21:45: I still say the Colombian government, as a goodwill gesture, should announce the release of all FARC prisoners in the prison system. Of course, what will not be announced is that each FARC scum gets a chip implanted in their body prior to release. Give it a few days or weeks, and then drop 500 pounders on the lot of them. The collateral damage would be even more effective than the target being eliminated. I doubt the FARC scum are going to be playing tejo in Manizales. If we could confirm some of these vermin are among a large group of other vermin, MOAB their asses. Ahhhh, I feel better. --"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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msaucey says on Dec 19, 2007, 21:53: Wow, I've been missing a good thread..... The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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manINred says on Dec 19, 2007, 21:57: Interesting.
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goin_south says on Dec 19, 2007, 22:12: yep; schtick to de futbol ;-) Ciao! Gustav. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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goin_south says on Dec 19, 2007, 22:13: I think it's still a Chavez ploy.. with the release of this one or three prisnoners.. now, they are in Chavez's hand.. He Will Use Them For His Own Good, and nothing else. NOTHING. Ciao! Gustav. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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manINred says on Dec 19, 2007, 22:16: thanks doc, and goin_south, when clearminded and not all confounded with exam info and micro numbers crammed in my skull, i can very actively engage in intelligent debate, especially about Latin American politics, a subject in which I am fairly well-versed. but hey, I will never argue about sticking to futbol, something i would happily do for the rest of my life.
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goin_south says on Dec 19, 2007, 22:26: well... maybe as long as there's also a fair amount of las colombianas involved, mir Ciao! Gustav. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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goin_south says on Dec 19, 2007, 22:26: we know, manINred... jus got to pick on a compadre in his moment of weakness Ciao! Gustav. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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aguardiente says on Dec 20, 2007, 01:05: Oh I forgot something !
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aguardiente says on Dec 20, 2007, 01:22: It's fantastic.
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Rikito says on Dec 20, 2007, 06:57: Sorry agua...I can't repond yet. I have to wait until your mental patron saint, cassini77. It is not life that matters, but the journey. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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billyb says on Dec 20, 2007, 07:01: Catherine is right, when you are the best the FARC ass kissers can send up, it makes our job just too easy.
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catherine b says on Dec 20, 2007, 07:19: Keep it up aguardiente. Who's the one responding with insults? Who's the one who STILL can't provide a single source to support his point of view.
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manINred says on Dec 20, 2007, 11:23: haha, well, my weaknesses are many I'm sure, but one of my strengths however is acknowledging my weaknesses.
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aguardiente says on Dec 20, 2007, 13:56: Poor little manINred who needs to applaud stupid words !
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lpdiver says on Dec 20, 2007, 14:10: FARC frequently says that they are going to release the hostages. However, it is always based on some unreasonable absurd condition that everyone knows won't be met. "cook some rice!" 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Rikito says on Dec 20, 2007, 15:49: Agua, I just read your interesting post. Where did you read that President Uribe was elected with 26% of the vote? And who gives a rats ass about Chavez or anything he says. Whatever he says is a mostly untrue and is said for his own degenerate purpose. It is not life that matters, but the journey. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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miamimike says on Dec 20, 2007, 21:33: I doubt the Hostages and their Families could care less who negotiates their freedom! The fact they will be Free I would think is the Bottom Line and who negotiates it and to whom they are relaesed is secondary,,, "Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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goin_south says on Dec 20, 2007, 23:23: I THINK SOMEONE NEEDS TO FORWARD THE IDEA ABOUT IMPLANTING THE CHIPS IN THE SKINS OF THE FARC PRISONERS AND LETTING THEM GO.. BACK TO THE JUNGLE AND ANNIHILATING THE WHOLE BUNCH... Ciao! Gustav. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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manINred says on Dec 20, 2007, 23:41: "It's not Little Big manINRed but little little thing in white"
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manINred says on Dec 20, 2007, 23:51: The fact of the matter is that Uribe got almost double the amount of the votes that the rest of the candidates got combined. This proves his legitimacy. He also has extremely high popularity rankings and support in Colombia, this fact is undeniable. If there was so much anti-Uribe sentiment, which clearly there is not in any significant quantity within Colombia, the population would not have been so passive. Quite frankly the election is a very good indication of the directions that Colombians want the country to go.
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manINred says on Dec 20, 2007, 23:53: "FARC will show there compassion y value for human life when President Uribe has them vertually exterminated. As this is the only way to communicate with them.
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aguardiente says on Dec 21, 2007, 00:18: Colombian presidential election, 2006:
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aguardiente says on Dec 21, 2007, 00:24: Desde el principio lo hemos dicho: este gobierno se sostiene en mentiras, disfrazadas con diferentes denominaciones (falsos positivos, razones de Estado, encuestas de Infamer Gallup, cifras del DANE, comunicados de Palacio, terrorismo vestido de civil, versiones a tÃtulo personal, sofismas de José Obdulio, columnas de Fernando Londoño, etc.)
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goin_south says on Dec 21, 2007, 00:33: mIR Ciao! Gustav. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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goin_south says on Dec 21, 2007, 00:34: como esta? en Valledupar, mike? Ciao! Gustav. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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aguardiente says on Dec 21, 2007, 01:40: La renuncia del embajador de Colombia en Reino Unido es otro portazo al presidente Alvaro Uribe
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aguardiente says on Dec 21, 2007, 01:48: http://www.elespectador.com/elespectador/Secciones/Detalles.aspx?idNot...
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Rikito says on Dec 21, 2007, 05:10: So agua...you fabricated your first set of stats which means that you lied and lost all credibility to be considered serious in the future. It is not life that matters, but the journey. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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billyb says on Dec 21, 2007, 06:21: Agua is Cassini.
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aguardiente says on Dec 21, 2007, 06:34: And Rikito is catherine b who is billyb who is Youri b.
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catherine b says on Dec 21, 2007, 08:58: HAHAHAHA!! I love it! Beautiful! Hee hee hee! I provide a plethora of various sources from different countries and the best source aguamiente can come up with is from an anti-Uribe blog whose owner states as follows on his own blog:
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manINred says on Dec 21, 2007, 10:25: "Desde el principio lo hemos dicho: este gobierno se sostiene en mentiras, disfrazadas con diferentes denominaciones "
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manINred says on Dec 21, 2007, 10:29: "So what if Chavez won his election by a slightly higher margin than Uribe? It still does'nt change the FACT that Uribe still won democratically AND it was a landslide victory!"
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Robert Jorge says on Dec 21, 2007, 11:07: Chavez may have been more legit than Uribe. President Carter observed and endorsed the whole deal when Chavez won! Jajajajajajaaja --"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 21, 2007, 11:13: None of them. Aguardiente=cassini "I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 21, 2007, 11:17: The hostages that are going to be liberated are presumably already on their way into Venezuela. It's programmed to take place in Venezuelan Amazonas on the 23rd-24the December. I'm holding my breath.... "I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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aguardiente says on Dec 21, 2007, 11:59: If you have read newspapers these last days, the problem with Uribe is not this of his relatives but the fact that he has delibarately hidden information about this.
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aguardiente says on Dec 21, 2007, 12:07: And if I were an Uribophilist I should begin to ask me if the very bad image of Colombia in foreign countries has more to do with Uribe than with FARC. I do not speek only for Europa. Look at the other countries of South America. Even USA foreign politic begins to get differences with the intransigent positions of Uribe.
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slguy says on Dec 21, 2007, 12:27: "I do not speek only for Europa" Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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billyb says on Dec 21, 2007, 12:35: I am shaking like a french soldier, knowing that he's not only speaking for Europa, jaja.
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catherine b says on Dec 21, 2007, 12:51: Colombia has NEVER had a stellar reputation in the rest of the world for over 40 years. LOL.
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manINred says on Dec 21, 2007, 13:29: "I should begin to ask me if the very bad image of Colombia in foreign countries has more to do with Uribe than with FARC"
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aguardiente says on Dec 21, 2007, 17:17: ManINwhite you are entirely out; here most people do not know the FARC but they know the problem of drug and they do not make differences between colombian politicians; for them it is the politic system that is rotten and Uribe is considered as a corrupted one.
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catherine b says on Dec 21, 2007, 18:02: Again this aguamiente leaves unintellible comments. Why am I not surprised that a pro farcist is also pro pederast? Although refering to Ortega as a pederast was a misnomer on my part, as it was his stepdaughter (not a male child) who accused him of rape.
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manINred says on Dec 21, 2007, 18:37: "ManINwhite you are entirely out; here most people do not know the FARC but they know the problem of drug and they do not make differences between colombian politicians; for them it is the politic system that is rotten and Uribe is considered as a corrupted one. "
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Sam Salmon says on Dec 21, 2007, 21:04: Ortega=human filth worthy only of a long slow painful death. ' a la orden!' 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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aguardiente says on Dec 22, 2007, 01:28: drug runners = only FARCS ?
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aguardiente says on Dec 22, 2007, 01:53: In March 1998, when she was 30 years old, Zoilamerica Narvaez accused Ortega of raping her repeatedly over several years, beginning when she was 11 years old.
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Rikito says on Dec 22, 2007, 05:42: agua, and people do respond to you it is mostly out of suprise or disrespect of your comments. I would ays that 99.5% of the people in here have something worthwhile to say...pro and con of the subject. Many disagree with me and I can accept that becasue they are least respectful and sometiimes provide me with valuable information that I had not thought ofbefore. It is not life that matters, but the journey. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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billyb says on Dec 22, 2007, 22:22: It is a cruel world, if you happen to be french ;))
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Cerealkiller says on Dec 23, 2007, 02:06: This is the most retarded thread I've read in months. Good sport. Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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goin_south says on Dec 25, 2007, 04:58: Did they ever really let this lady 'go free' yet? Ciao! Gustav. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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ellbee2 says on Dec 28, 2007, 04:36: Catherine b...."In the USA, there are some members within the democratic party that sabotage Uribe for the SOLE and petty purpose to oppose a Bush ally." "You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going because you might not get there." Yogi Berra 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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tomtom33 says on Dec 28, 2007, 04:45: We'll see how history judges the Democrats. Harry tells us that the war is lost. And the Democrats try to throw as much shit against the wall as they can to see what will stick. There has to be more substance to an effective political strategy than hate Bush.
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ellbee2 says on Dec 28, 2007, 04:59: tomtom & catherine b, Please explain to me what YOU want the USA to do for Colombia. What "support" do you think is appropriate? Money? Trade? Advice? Well Wishes? "You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going because you might not get there." Yogi Berra 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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tomtom33 says on Dec 28, 2007, 05:13: If you take a no support stance until any particular country cleans up its own mess, you would never support anything. There are always nits to be picked. And the US has not cleaned up its own mess.
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ellbee2 says on Dec 28, 2007, 12:29: Again tomtom, please define support. Also, I hardly consider human rights violations, murder for hire, kidnapping and no reduction in cocaine production/exportation "nits to pick". "You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going because you might not get there." Yogi Berra 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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tomtom33 says on Dec 28, 2007, 12:33: I frankly don't know enough to define support.
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slguy says on Dec 28, 2007, 14:47: "The almost 5 billion dollars the US has sent in military aid since 2000 has had horrendous results in Colombia. It has paid for military and para-military human rights abuses including massacres, disappearances, kidnapping, and threats of social justice and labor activists and their families. As long as the Colombian government spends their resources fighting, killing, and torturing the Colombian people the solidarity movement in the US should demand an end to all aid  both military and “humanitarian��?  to Colombia. It is critical that we change" Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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ellbee2 says on Dec 28, 2007, 15:12: I only have time to reference "evidence" now, more to follow. "You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going because you might not get there." Yogi Berra 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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tomtom33 says on Dec 28, 2007, 15:40: I am damn sorry about the union problem. There were a few union problems in the US as well. John D. Rockefeller ordered mine massacres and hired Pinkerton agents to beat the fuck out of people. This is part of the evolution of the union movement in Colombia. It has absolutely no bearing upon US aid to Colombia.
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manINred says on Dec 29, 2007, 11:07: Very well said tomtom33 and slguy.
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slguy says on Dec 29, 2007, 12:30: and your point, elbee2? I'm waiting for the documentation on how the US is paying for this. I never said that being a union organizer isn't a dangerous profession in Colombia- only that your BS claims about Plan Colombia paying for it are both irresponsible and indicative of a certain...dislocation from reality. Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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ellbee2 says on Jan 1, 2008, 01:01: First of all I'm not arguing a case for unions, that's a completely different subject . This is about human rights violations (and the murder of unionists is just one example) in Colombia that Uribe's amdinistration turns a blind eye to. The fact that these thugs are not attempted to be tracked and prosecuted by the Colombian government sends a pretty blatant message and some could argue it is akin to having Uribe's blessing. "You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going because you might not get there." Yogi Berra 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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ellbee2 says on Jan 1, 2008, 01:28: Here is another "irresponsible and dislocated from reality" persons opinion of Uribe's government....Oh, and by the way, he's an award winning Colombian journalist. "You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going because you might not get there." Yogi Berra 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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ellbee2 says on Jan 1, 2008, 02:06: Yet another person who's lost touch with reality.... this guy actually froze the payment of money to Colombia over concerns about Uribe's & Montoya's connection to paramilitary groups, but he was just being irresponsible...right slguy? "You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going because you might not get there." Yogi Berra 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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ellbee2 says on Jan 1, 2008, 02:19: Really, this is just too easy! Shall I go on? "You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going because you might not get there." Yogi Berra 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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tomtom33 says on Jan 1, 2008, 02:22: Pat Leahy is an example of Democrats opposing anything proposed by the Bush administration. That opposition, of course, is the duty of the party who does not hold the White House. However, even Leahy claims no nexus between Plan Colombia and any alleged connection between Uribe and the paras.
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ellbee2 says on Jan 1, 2008, 03:44: UMMMMMMMMM.... it Bill Clinton who proposed Plan Colombia and I'm pretty sure he's a Democrat. Your statement about being partisan just for the sake of "duty" is exactly why Republicans no longer control the Senate and soon will not hold the Whitehouse. Americans (Republicans and Democrats) are sick and tired of partisan politics. "You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going because you might not get there." Yogi Berra 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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tomtom33 says on Jan 1, 2008, 04:26: And Bill Clinton supported the war in Iraq. Of course now he says he didn't. It doesn't matter who started what. It only matters what the administration in power supports.
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goin_south says on Jan 1, 2008, 05:31: a politician basicly... begins life, as a good man or woman... but, soon has a thousand people pulling at him/her from every direction...with every different thought process imaginable.... and then,... they begin 'selling out'. I'm talking about your basic LOCAL politician... before he becomes REALLY LOCO ;-) Ciao! Gustav. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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tomtom33 says on Jan 1, 2008, 06:41: Selling out is a whole other deal. It starts with campaign contributions. It can end up like the gentleman from Louisiana. Or is that gentlemen? You really can't forget the Kingfish.
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slguy says on Jan 1, 2008, 07:14: What you have quoted above,elbee, in case you hadn't noticed, are reactions by oppostion political parties to Bush and Uribe - all of them with significant disclamiers...."it appears..."..."I do not know if these reports are accurate..." Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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goin_south says on Jan 1, 2008, 07:15: ja! I'm too young to remember; before my time. Ciao! Gustav. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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goin_south says on Jan 1, 2008, 07:15: boys from Illinois... Ciao! Gustav. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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ellbee2 says on Jan 1, 2008, 11:07: OK, slguy. It really won't matter what I offer up to you as support for what I believe is a failed policy in Colombia. You will discount my opinion and that of others as "unsubstantiated political posturing" because it doesn't jive with what you believe. I can respect that you have a differing opinion and welcome your point of view on the results of Plan Colombia. As a tax paying American citizen it is my right and responsibility to voice my opinion about where my hard earned tax dollars are spent. "You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going because you might not get there." Yogi Berra 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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slguy says on Jan 1, 2008, 12:44: Is there a country on earth that has zero human rights abuses - a country that internal strife, including a bunch of cowardly "rebels" - where no one reacts? Where no reactions occur that are outside the pale? Not to my knowledge. |