colombian honesty

elmodefoque says on Jun 12, 2008, 12:31:

i had no idea how naive and honest i´ve been all my life, so you think everyone is the same.
WRONG.

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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elmodefoque says on Jun 12, 2008, 12:32:

this place is like putting your stupid head inside the mouth of a hungry lion

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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elmodefoque says on Jun 12, 2008, 12:33:

better yet , in the jaws of a 30 foot long hungry aligator

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jun 12, 2008, 12:34:

26 millions!! gezz elmo you are cheap :)

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jun 12, 2008, 12:35:

Or is that in Dollars?







still cheap ;P

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elmodefoque says on Jun 12, 2008, 12:35:

this is whitin one year, not counting all the money i spend on hookers

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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lpdiver says on Jun 12, 2008, 12:36:

Man you can make a lot of sauce piquant wit dem tirty foot alimagators!

t

"cook some rice!"

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jun 12, 2008, 12:37:

In one year? very cheap jejeje

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elmodefoque says on Jun 12, 2008, 12:39:

i´ve decided that from now on, i´m gonna be a crook too

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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Joel y Luza says on Jun 12, 2008, 12:43:

so hookers are bamboozling you out of money? or was that a fair and negotiated price?

Now, broads and family bamboozling you out of money.... Thats another story.....26 mil COP? Let's see, about $16K USD? pretty cheap actually, that could have been a lot worse! Thats about one year of tuition in a good university... call it an education my friend.

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elmodefoque says on Jun 12, 2008, 12:46:

dishonesty is why you see extreme poverty all over the fokin place. i was riding in a nice air conditoned taxi to chile, a town way out there in cartagena to see a broad.
i passed this place with such horrific poverty, it reminded me of places in bogota cali and medellin while other colombian modefoques are paying 500 mil pesos a night at capilla del mar

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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sanandressi says on Jun 12, 2008, 12:50:

Well, supposedly the richest guy in Colombia is worth 5.3 BN although they said Escobar had $22BN. Carlos Slim is worth $50 BN or so and Mexico is extremely poor.

Chavez is great when he does something for Venezuela's poor but then he spends billions on Russian weapons......sigh!

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elmodefoque says on Jun 12, 2008, 12:51:

the longer i sit here and see this pretty 9 year old injun girl selling beer and water on the beach under this brutal sun for 12 solid hours, the more aguilas i down and the more i think about starting a che guevara style revolution.
this chit has to change soon.

thank you

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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elmodefoque says on Jun 12, 2008, 12:54:

if i werent so damn old and drunk all the time, i´ll be the first to pick up arms.

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Jun 12, 2008, 12:54:

A word of advice to the future revolutionary: Don't run your organization from a laptop computer!

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sanandressi says on Jun 12, 2008, 12:54:

One billion dollars is one thousand million dollars right? The Brits say that Bill Gates is worth around forty to fifty thousand million dollars right. Imagine if you will, one thousand tables lined up in Yankee stadium with one million dollars on EACH table. This is one billion dollars correct?

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elmodefoque says on Jun 12, 2008, 12:58:

tinto, i´m in a internet site, drinkin beer and enjoying the air conditioner.
anyways, i cant start no revolution cus my doctor told me to take it easy and keep taking my prozac.
i spent one hour a week over the internet with my shrink.
i told him that i have problem spelling

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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elmodefoque says on Jun 12, 2008, 13:07:

hey morph, im no longer in touch with my nephew so now i watch my own back. I allied myself with lots of crooked lawyers and paracos from my other side of the family

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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elmodefoque says on Jun 12, 2008, 13:11:

my amigita will be here soon, best i shower and clean up
good nite to all and thank you

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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papiChulo says on Jun 12, 2008, 13:31:

remember elmo you shouldn't put the moneda/coins in your mouth when you get the change from the injin girl selling the beer... you never no where moneys been my boy... especially the pennys... ;)

you'll never go before your time

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Medellin Traveler says on Jun 12, 2008, 14:16:

elmodefoque,
I applaud you for your honesty. Too many Colombians have decided to plant their heads up Uribe's ass that they can't see the real Colombia, attacking anyone who posts anything negative [true] about life in Colombia.

I'm beginning to better understand why every Colombian I meet warns me against trusting other Colombians. It's sad, but they say it's for my own safety and protection.

The strong peso is doing nothing to benefit the many poor Colombianos.. The extreme poverty needs to be addressed, especially for those displaced from their homes. All those fancy new condos do nothing to benefit the average hard-working Colombian.

I wish I was there with you right now!

"Huevos Rancheros en Medellin, No Quiero Taco Bell." - www.medellintraveler.com

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miamimike says on Jun 12, 2008, 19:06:

How's that New Taxi Business in BQA going Elomo? Should be nice getting all those free rides,,ji ji 'Course sometimes those rides aren't free,,,

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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Simon says on Jun 12, 2008, 20:34:

I tend to warn other Colombians about foreigners like Med Traveller who love to exploit our tragedies for their entertainment.

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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Titofijo says on Jun 12, 2008, 22:32:

MT------ All those fancy new condos do nothing to benefit the average hard-working Colombian.

It gives them construction jobs, security guard jobs , maids , maintence , etc

Pull your head in already and stay where you are

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billyb says on Jun 12, 2008, 23:01:

"There is certainly some bad poverty there but that's not the NORM in Colombian society. It's not a goddamn Charles Dickens novel."

it is if you fancy yourself a writer.

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Medellin Traveler says on Jun 13, 2008, 03:27:

billyb.says, "it is if you fancy yourself a writer."

You crack me up! :O)

Rubito says, "I'm calling BS on Medellin Traveller."

Sorry Rubito, but I don't spend all my time in El Poblado when in Medellin. I spend the majority of my time up in them hillside barrios, from morning, noon, and night. I know many people have cell phones, and hotmail/gmail accounts don't cost a single peso, but I've heard from several Colombians who are worried not only about them losing their jobs, but friends and family members as well, all because of he almighty peso.

Titofijo says, "MT------ All those fancy new condos do nothing to benefit the average hard-working Colombian. It gives them construction jobs, security guard jobs , maids , maintence , etc"

That's obvious, but will is going to happend once the bubble burst, which it will sooner than later?

Simon says, "I tend to warn other Colombians about foreigners like Med Traveller who love to exploit our tragedies for their entertainment."

What are you talking about Willis, el jefe?

I have five webpages promoting the positive side of Colombia. How many do you have?

Also, working with a couple young paisas in Medellin to promote travel to Colombia from the U.S.

Medellin Traveler the great exploiter................ by the way billyb, I fancy myself a writer!

"Huevos Rancheros en Medellin, No Quiero Taco Bell." - www.medellintraveler.com

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Joel y Luza says on Jun 13, 2008, 06:33:

Let's see. The average GDP per capita is about $8k USD in Colombia. in the US, $42K, roughly? Globalized trade=Globalized prices. Rubito- Nobody is saying that the AVERAGE COLOMBIAN is terribly off, but with a poverty rate of 48%,rampant underemployment, and inflation rising in Colombia, I would say that a significant portion of Colombians are having a tough go of it...

Now, Hotmail and gmail accounts are free... all you need is ACCESS to a computer, not own one. Most have cell phones. Also very cheap or free. You just have to buy the minutes.

The arguement lays in housing and other bread and butter issues, not cell phones and email accounts.

Colombia is getting better, in the long run.. Economic change takes time, and where Colombia was in the 1990s, I would say life is better for the AVERAGE COLOMBIAN, from what I understand.

From the sounds of it, a lot of Colombians are just plain sick of FARC, the paramilitaries, and Narco trafficking, and want to get on with their lives as citizens in the global economy.

I would actually like to see more investment between the US and Colombia, along with other central and south american countries. I think, for the common good of the region, and to compete with India and China, it would be great to regionalize our economies. This hemisphere has a lot of great resources and, i think, we can compete sucessfully with the rest of the world.

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billyb says on Jun 13, 2008, 06:39:

"by the way billyb, I fancy myself a writer!"

I know, I was jut messin with ya, couldn't help myself ;)

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pedro says on Jun 13, 2008, 06:49:

Let's be honest, the average estrato 2/3 Colombian eats a lot of rice and beans. I don't know many Americans who would change places for that diet.

que nota!

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pedro says on Jun 13, 2008, 07:10:

Aw really, even families with lots of children and not much income? They just go to the tienda or the mall and the kids pick out whatever they feel like to eat? They call domicilios when they feel like it?

Check your passport stamps... are you sure you were in Colombia?

que nota!

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webmanco says on Jun 13, 2008, 07:35:

Las promesas son para incumplirlas, bueno eso es lo que he escuchado.

Quedensen con sus hamburguesas y pizzas, dejenme con mis sopitas y granos

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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sanandressi says on Jun 13, 2008, 11:51:

Joel y Luza says on Jun 13, 2008, 06:33: flag



I would actually like to see more investment between the US and Colombia, along with other central and south american countries. I think, for the common good of the region, and to compete with India and China, it would be great to regionalize our economies. This hemisphere has a lot of great resources and, i think, we can compete sucessfully with the rest of the world."

How much has the American economy been hurt by American investment THERE? How has NAFTA made the average Mexican better? Why are the Mexicans still running north 15 years after NAFTA? Carlos Slim, Mexican, has gotten filthy rich off of NAFTA! What makes one think any of this US investment in Colombia will help a majority of Colombia's people? How much of this foreign investment will build new schools for those FARC kids in the pictures in the post above? Somebody all ready rich in north Bogota will get even richer? I dunno...

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Joel y Luza says on Jun 13, 2008, 12:05:

Sanandressi-All I am saying is that with globalization, and the flooding of the US market with Chinese and Indian made goods, I would rather see the shelves in our stores stocked with north and south american goods..

I agree, NAFTA sucks, It was a poorly thought out treaty. The problem with Mexico workers flooding the US isn't NAFTA, but a government that refuses to promote responsible economic development, plus they are having their share of narco battles that are reeking havoc with their economy.

Bottom line, I would rather see the Americas work together, and invest in each other, than the USD heading to China and India..WE ALL HAVE A LOT MORE TO GAIN BY MAKING OUR OWN HEMISPHERE ECONOMICALLY SOUND.

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Medellin Traveler says on Jun 13, 2008, 14:18:

Rubito says, "Sorry dude, the average Estrato 2-3 Colombian eats whatever the fuck they want WHEN they want it. They have an EASIER time eating a decent healthy variety of food than their US counterparts. It's time to stop the bullshit on here.

If you see someone eating a lot of rice and beans in Colombia it's usually by CHOICE. It's a cultural thing, people have this silly idea that rice is healthy. There's actually a city-wide campaign in Bogota to get people to eat less starches and more fruits and veggies and meats and fish."

This may well be the case in Bogota, but it is NOT the case in Medellin.

"Estrato 2-3 Colombian eats whatever the fuck they want WHEN they want it"

Your overall statement is an absolute JOKE!

You obviously know nothing of what you spew here. Again, I spend my time in those barrios and believe you me, whenever I'm invited over for a meal, they send out a kid to buy meat and a few eggs, in order to feed me. This has happened on many occasions, to which I told my guest there was no need for them to treat me special, I will eat whatever they have for themselves, which is usually a bowl of RICE and BEANS! You must hang out with rich Colombians in Bogota, lucky you.

"It's a cultural thing, people have this silly idea that rice is healthy."

NO, rice is more affordable than many other foods, and it fills up your poor belly,

Why do so many Colombians eat "el sobrado" if they can afford to eat whatever the fuck they want as you state?

Whenever I leave anything on my plate, someone immediately picks up my leftovers and starts eating, what they don't finish, they pass it along to the next person. This is a very common practice in Colombia. I have had complete strangers eat my leftovers using the same fork/spoon on my plate. It took me awhile to get used to this, but it is what it is. This practice also happens with my drinks, be it soda, beer, water, or juice.

Sorry dude, you have NO CLUE!

"Huevos Rancheros en Medellin, No Quiero Taco Bell." - www.medellintraveler.com

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jun 13, 2008, 14:25:

Sorry dude, the average Estrato 2-3 Colombian eats whatever the fuck they want WHEN they want it. They have an EASIER time eating a decent healthy variety of food than their US counterparts. It's time to stop the bullshit on here.

i agree with medellin traveller it is a joke, i seen lots of estrato 2 even 3 families that can't afford to eat meat every day maybe just once a week and the cheapest thing they can get is either menudencias or bofe.. because lean meat, chicken the parts that most of you eat in the USA and fish are expensive....and don't tell me about fruits unless is guayaba which is one of the cheapest.. Jesus i have seen friends who lives in estrato 2 and they have rice or beans or eggs because is the cheapes, even cheese is a luxury and most of them have agua de panela instead of coke or fruit juice

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jun 13, 2008, 14:34:

i won't call it healthy, healthy is a mixture, of carbs, proteins and vegetable.

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webmanco says on Jun 13, 2008, 14:36:

Healthy is not the mixture of carbs and proteins, healthy is eating them at a different hours, hard to do.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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robi666 says on Jun 13, 2008, 14:37:

Kat and MT, you're wrong wrong wrong...
Whenever I go up the hill to visit my friends there I am treated with the finest Fois Gras and Bourgogne red wine.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jun 13, 2008, 14:45:

LOL robi666 and maybe he is one of your poorest friends.


Healthy is not the mixture of carbs and proteins, healthy is eating them at a different hours, hard to do. eh?

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jun 13, 2008, 14:47:

I have friend who buy beans, lentils, rice, garbanzo, and that what they eat, sometimes with egss, of course they add up plantain or some menudencia, but i won't call healthy eating rice and frijoles mix together every day..

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Medellin Traveler says on Jun 13, 2008, 14:50:

robi666 says, "Kat and MT, you're wrong wrong wrong...
Whenever I go up the hill to visit my friends there I am treated with the finest Fois Gras and Bourgogne red wine."

You've neglected to mention the "hill" which both you and I know is Capitol Hill, you have many very rich and powerful amigos, amigo.

"Huevos Rancheros en Medellin, No Quiero Taco Bell." - www.medellintraveler.com

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jun 13, 2008, 14:50:

Yeah, me too robbi. Up in Siloé and Terrón Colorado, it's chateaubriand with beaujelaous villages, filet mignon with café de paris butter, a good Rioja, salmon tartalettes with a fine chardonnay and a dessert on the finest arctic cloudberries with a cordial of Estonian strawberries what I usually get. These estrato 1-2 people really know how to eat!

Why on earth did my maid want to have those chicken innards I wanted to throw in the garbage? Perhaps she has a few cats that love chicken liver and necks?

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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robi666 says on Jun 13, 2008, 15:39:

MT, I was just out taking some pictures here in Medallo...

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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durito says on Jun 13, 2008, 15:42:

You guys should get out of Bogota/Medellin sometime.

The real average Colombian wishes they could afford to eat like and estrata 2/3 family from Bogota or Medellin -- which is certainly not that well, and no where near what Rubito alleges.

For all the economic boom that's going on in parts of the big cities, Colombia has a whole remains a country where much of the population lives in poverty/extreme poverty. This is the case in most of latin america.

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Medellin Traveler says on Jun 13, 2008, 15:50:

robi666,
Thanks for posting.

I miss Med-duh-jean!

It looks like a beautiful day there today. It's not raining, wow. I love that second picture.

"Huevos Rancheros en Medellin, No Quiero Taco Bell." - www.medellintraveler.com

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webmanco says on Jun 13, 2008, 16:13:

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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Medellin Traveler says on Jun 13, 2008, 19:52:

FOR WHATEVER REASONS, I CAN NOT UNDERSTAND ANY OF RUBITO'S COMMENTS (sic), ESPECIALLY SINCE HE LIVES IN COLOMBIA.

IS IT ME, OR DOES HE NOT HAVE A FREAKIN' CLUE ABOUT LIFE IN COLOMBIA?

OR, DOES HE LIVE IN COLUMBIA, WITH A "U" AND HE'S JUST ON THE WRONG MESSAGE BOARD?

ARE WE TO TAKE HIM SERIOUS BECAUSE HE DROPS THE "F" BOMB?

Rubito says, "Sorry dude, the average Estrato 2-3 Colombian eats whatever the fuck they want WHEN they want it. They have an EASIER time eating a decent healthy variety of food than their US counterparts. It's time to stop the bullshit on here.

If you see someone eating a lot of rice and beans in Colombia it's usually by CHOICE. It's a cultural thing, people have this silly idea that rice is healthy. There's actually a city-wide campaign in Bogota to get people to eat less starches and more fruits and veggies and meats and fish."

This may well be the case in Bogota, but it is NOT the case in Medellin.

"Estrato 2-3 Colombian eats whatever the fuck they want WHEN they want it"

Your overall statement is an absolute JOKE!

You obviously know nothing of what you spew here. Again, I spend my time in those barrios and believe you me, whenever I'm invited over for a meal, they send out a kid to buy meat and a few eggs, in order to feed me. This has happened on many occasions, to which I told my guest there was no need for them to treat me special, I will eat whatever they have for themselves, which is usually a bowl of RICE and BEANS! You must hang out with rich Colombians in Bogota, lucky you.

"It's a cultural thing, people have this silly idea that rice is healthy."

NO, rice is more affordable than many other foods, and it fills up your poor belly,

Why do so many Colombians eat "el sobrado" if they can afford to eat whatever the fuck they want as you state?

Whenever I leave anything on my plate, someone immediately picks up my leftovers and starts eating, what they don't finish, they pass it along to the next person. This is a very common practice in Colombia. I have had complete strangers eat my leftovers using the same fork/spoon on my plate. It took me awhile to get used to this, but it is what it is. This practice also happens with my drinks, be it soda, beer, water, or juice.

Sorry dude, you have NO CLUE!

rubito says, "IT'S TIME TO STOP THE BULLSHIT ON HERE!"

AGREE, STOP YOUR BULLSHIT!

"Huevos Rancheros en Medellin, No Quiero Taco Bell." - www.medellintraveler.com

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elmodefoque says on Jun 14, 2008, 05:25:

eating strangers left over is a colombian tradition??????? holy crap, that's a new one on me.
you eat other strangers left over cus you're fokin hungry and you aint got no money, this tradition is world wide. you see it in india, haiti, zimbawee, germany, ethiopia, sweden brazil, ALL OVER!!
I was having chicharron at my favorite restaurant down in murillo, south curramba. I tend to only eat the meat and discard the fat. I threw the fat at this traditional colombian dog waiting for left over, but that modefoque would not even touch it.
Along comes this traditional old man and he asked me for the fat.
i says, "hey! what the fok you gonna do with that chit, you got a cat or dog who loves this chit?"
No marica, that's gonna be my fokin dinner.
this guy is one of rubitos colombian following our favorite tradition, eating other modefoques left over.
thank you!

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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elmodefoque says on Jun 14, 2008, 05:31:

then he asked for the left over sodi pop (manzana)
This modefoque is one hell of a traditional colombiano.

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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webmanco says on Jun 14, 2008, 05:32:

There is poverty in Colombia no doubt about it. But there are many homeless who don´t like to work and always go from restaurant to restarurant looking for leftovers, these homeless are lazy and don´t like to move a finger in order to earn to pay for their food and a roof to sleep under.

Once I told some one not to give money to homeless people because they might used it for drugs or glue to inhale, she said if that makes them happy then let it be.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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Medellin Traveler says on Jun 14, 2008, 06:14:

elmodefoque says, "eating strangers left over is a colombian tradition??????? holy crap, you eat other strangers left over cus you're fokin hungry and you aint got no money"

You are absolutely right.

My fault, it was improperly stated on my part as being "tradition."

Thanks for the correction, elmo.

"Huevos Rancheros en Medellin, No Quiero Taco Bell." - www.medellintraveler.com

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Medellin Traveler says on Jun 14, 2008, 06:26:

rubito says,'5) Here is where the rice comment came from. The physiotherapist works with these shut-ins and she is AMAZED how people BITCH AND WHINE about the fact that the meals they are given contain proper portions of meat and veg and a REASONABLE amount of rice. Some of these ungrateful fucking assholes COMPLAIN because they don't want the veg and they want a MOUNTAIN of rice. Even though this would be cheaper to do, the municipal government is REALLY trying to educate these fucking troglodytes about nutrition and serves them balanced HEALTHY meals. But some people are so fucking dumb they just DONT GET IT. Remember this is in ESTRATO 1 here. So think about THAT next time you get all sloppy and sentimental over the poor "starving" hordes."

Haha... Sorry, but I personally do not eat meals with "healthy" being the utmost importance. I eat what I like to eat, 'cause the tastebuds love the taste, even if it's a big greasy double bacon burger. So, how can you tell people what they should be eating? I don't think you would like it if I told you what to eat. So I can completey understand if others feel the same way, even if the food is free.

"To sum up, I feel this kind of sappy misplaced sympathy for Colombians to be condescending, rude, and just generally ridiculous."

I was just reporting the facts, from my experience. No one is feeling sorry for these people. I sure am not. They are happy people living life the best they can, even if they have to eat others sobrado.

It's definitely not as bad as what I saw happening in Afghanistan recently.

Those of us who are lucky to live a modest life, should be very damn happy and grateful that we can eat what we want, when we want, even if it's a greasy double bacon burger.

The poor people in American have nothing to complain about, they have it good here.

"Huevos Rancheros en Medellin, No Quiero Taco Bell." - www.medellintraveler.com

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Titofijo says on Jun 14, 2008, 12:20:

MT --- Don't you have anything better to do, but sit at a computer(obviously not in Colombia) and talk crap about your mini vacation here (Col), once a yr?

Rub one out and get some sleep already.

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Medellin Traveler says on Jun 14, 2008, 12:50:

T-

I work on my computer most of the day, seven days a week. It's my JOB! Hopefully, one day all my work will pay off.

So my experiences differs from Rubtio's, We see things differently, probably because we both have had many different experiences; good, bad, or otherwise.

Who's talking crap?

I have also done extensive interviews and research over all my trips to Colombia for someting I'm developing, more trips plannd, but can't say anymore than that.

I'm out to get tanked tonight! May rub one out before I go out tonight, ala "There's Something About Mary." Thanks for the suggestion and your concern :O)

"Huevos Rancheros en Medellin, No Quiero Taco Bell." - www.medellintraveler.com

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robi666 says on Jun 14, 2008, 13:26:

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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hongo_joe says on Jun 14, 2008, 14:03:

Rubito: Where are the reservations that you referred to?

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Titofijo says on Jun 14, 2008, 14:08:

Looks like a young , thinner Raaay. If that was possible

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mranderson says on Jun 14, 2008, 18:16:

My colombian friends here in medellin tell me that I make more money than a lot of the lower estrato people and I certainly can't afford to eat what I want and when I want. Food here is expensive on an average colombian salary. Especially eating out.

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Robert Jorge says on Jun 14, 2008, 18:26:

My wife's cousins in Villavo fixed lunch for us once. It was lentils and rice. The average lunch my mother in law fixed was rice, with platano, papas, and sometimes a piece of chicken. Soup was very common. Usually a chicken broth with papas and some veggies. Sometimes spinach soup. Always with rice. The typical drink was limonada.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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elmodefoque says on Jun 14, 2008, 18:33:

any of you guys been vienosky la novelosky llamosky el cartelosky de los saposky?

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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mranderson says on Jun 14, 2008, 18:49:

I went to mcdonalds yesterday in san diego medellin and there were definately a lot of people there who can afford to eat whatever they want, whenever they want. And it definately shows too, not one chic with a toned body :(

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CatGirl says on Jun 14, 2008, 19:45:

Whoah..whata thread...Love the pics Robbi and webman ;))) Webman - where were yours taken BTW?

MT - There was a lot of bantor....not trying to cause a problem here, but this comment you said Rubito made? (notice I edited it to be more lady like ;)
"the average Estrato 2-3 Colombian eats whatever the *** they want WHEN they want it. They have an EASIER time eating a decent healthy variety of food than their US counterparts. If you see someone eating a lot of rice and beans in Colombia it's usually by CHOICE. It's a cultural thing, people have this silly idea that rice is healthy. There's actually a city-wide campaign in Bogota to get people to eat less starches and more fruits and veggies and meats and fish."

I know this to be true in Bogota. I cannot speak for any other area, but I cooked for a Rolo (what a friggin term, anyways) and I can say this comment IS true from what Rubito says, I would not discredit him so quickly ;))

Anyhoo...I need to turn the steaks

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webmanco says on Jun 14, 2008, 20:22:

Three were taken from a safe apartment in Bogotá, the other one was taken from a safe high place in Ciudad Bolivar, also in Bogotá, one day difference.

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CatGirl says on Jun 14, 2008, 22:11:

jajaja...I like how you emphasize "safe" - I recall being reprimanded daily to ensure all doors and windows are locked (in smalltown low to no crime USA), because "if we were in Bogota no telling what would happen".
And on hot days, when I opened the door and had only a screen for the air to ventilate...OHHHH NO! ....it made my counterpart so agitiated...(even though he knew it was safe) I had to close the door to relax him.

So I completely understand the word "safe" in Bogota ;))

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huskie says on Jun 15, 2008, 08:01:

Robi: Your pictures are awsome, can't wait to get to MDE
Cheers

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Cerealkiller says on Jun 15, 2008, 08:23:

I don't think I've ever visited any household in which people's diets are based almost exclusively on Rice and Beans. Perhaps in Antioquia, certainly not in Bogota. Poorer people don't have the same thing to eat everyday that is ridiculous. That said, the food people eat is definitely not as refined and full of nutrients as that of more affluent neighborhoods. A few common things to find in any estrato 2 or 3 is sopa de arroz, carne mechada, pasta mixed with rice, tons of bread, lentils, cuchuco de maiz, papa salada, salads mixed with mayo, eggs, tinned tuna, agua de panela, mazamorra, some chicken (rarely chicken breast)...And if you happen to be in some small town like tabio, cota etc etc. People have chickens in their backyard, grow onion, potatoes and peas...Certainly not the distinguished dishes you'd find at Leo Cocina y Cava, but IMO poor people in Colombia, including people in rural areas (not the absolutely miserable) probably have more food options than in many other countries.
In regards to leftovers, I have never seen anyone eating my left overs, ever. I haven't had much experience with the urban poor, but I've had more than plenty with the rural poor and whatever you don't finish they said "save it for dinner" (overall, I'd say we are cool with eating our own left overs, but nothing someone else has touched before) or give it to the dogs, chickens or pigs. This is definitely not customary in Colombia and I would highly doubt is common in estrato 3, estrato 1 and below maybe, but just because of need, not because its a tradition.

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huskie says on Jun 15, 2008, 08:38:

Ck you need to know more about Antioquia, yeah we only eat rice and beans, you are an expert on all there is to know about Antioquia. Shiiit!!! ( as we say in Antioquia "Que montanera"!!!!)
Cheers

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Cerealkiller says on Jun 15, 2008, 08:41:

I have never said people in Antioquia only eat rice and beans. I said it was probably more common to find in antioquia amongst the urban poor than bogota as beans are clearly not a Bogota staple. You need to improve your reading skills and get off my ass, desocupada, as we say throughout the country.

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webmanco says on Jun 15, 2008, 09:09:

Espero las mechoneadas :-) solo bromeo

recuerdo comer en Medellín Frijoles verdes, bueno asi los llamaban.

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huskie says on Jun 15, 2008, 09:18:

Desocupada you!!!
CCheers

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Robert Jorge says on Jun 15, 2008, 10:39:

The lentils and rice I had at the cousin's was a normal lunch for them. They couldn't afford meat. Kat1 knows the area ... pueblo / barrio Porfia. Sin estrato. I am not saying they never eat meat, but I would guess not more than once or twice a week.

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CatGirl says on Jun 15, 2008, 10:57:

RJ - yes, rice and beans are a cheap meal (if available)..in Any country, I agree. :))

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ColombianoGringo says on Jun 15, 2008, 11:13:

Colombian "rice and beans" is not always just rice and beans. I've usually had it with pork and a some veggies. Sometime they'll put a pig hoof(pezuña) in the mix. I love that stuff. Luckily, my mom still makes it occasionally.

Lentils are really good too. I've normally seen them made with diced beef.

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Robert Jorge says on Jun 15, 2008, 16:49:

I have had the pig foot or tail soup over rice also. Pretty damn good!

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pedro says on Jun 15, 2008, 21:21:

The amount of people who can't afford meat, what? Can't afford ever? Or every day?

que nota!

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Joel y Luza says on Jun 15, 2008, 21:38:

and type? pollo or carne? eggs count?

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pedro says on Jun 15, 2008, 22:27:

1-2%, not even close.

Rubito, you should really listen to what people were saying above, you could learn something.

que nota!

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morphus says on Jun 16, 2008, 04:55:

Anybody earning Colombian minimum wage can afford to eat as much meat as they want.

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morphus says on Jun 16, 2008, 05:00:

In Medellin, you can buy a leftover meal with lots of meat from the restaurants for 500 pesos. Its definately a great place to be homeless.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jun 16, 2008, 06:15:

Rubito says on Jun 15, 2008, 23:23: flag

In Bogotá, no more than 2%. Most of Estrato 1 there eats meat daily. You're just simply dead wrong. You guys spewing here on this forum is NOT going to make me somehow negate my own personal first-hand experiences.

your experience are different from mine, i have seen lots of estrato 1 and 2 who can't afford to eat meat everyday it is so expensive

but if you count eating meat the cheap stuff like bofe, menudencia, costilla, and that sorts then yes, they eat it everday.


there are families in Colombia estrato 1 and 2 as i said some days don't even have money for to buy bread.

Rice and beans are cheap and very filling and you can make a bit pot of that and feed the family for the whole day

Fish depends what type of fish you buy, and where you live


panela is cheap, so a big jug of aguapanela will feed lot in the family rather than a 2 litter coke


eggs are a bit cheap so i have seen lots of families eating rice, potatoes and eggs,

I have never seen anybody eating the leftover unless was a homeless person.



morphus says on Jun 16, 2008, 04:55: flag

Anybody earning Colombian minimum wage can afford to eat as much meat as they want.

they can but it will made a big hole in their food budget, meat is becoming expensive in Colombia the same chicken..

How much is a pound of meat.? i think about £3,500 cop?

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jun 16, 2008, 06:21:

oh another cheap thing many poor people buy is chuchullo or rila, that will keep you chewing for the whole day :)

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manINred says on Jun 16, 2008, 10:18:

Colombian honesty? Now that sounds like an oxymoron if ever I've heard one ;)

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CatGirl says on Jun 16, 2008, 10:39:

After looking at all the comments, some similarities to the EEUU. Hey, I have been on both ends of this - forget the rice. Beans and top Ramen jejeje. I think it depends on where you are in Colombia and the situation of the person, somewhat similar to EEUU.

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CatGirl says on Jun 16, 2008, 10:40:

Psst - I keep seeing theses comments "estrato 1 and 2 " - not familiar with it...is it a locality or a status comment?

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webmanco says on Jun 16, 2008, 10:41:

People with less income, public services, y/o utilities are based on stratos. One to six.

http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/colombias-social-class/

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elmodefoque says on Jun 16, 2008, 10:44:

i have seen modefoques eat mangos on a bed of rice only, for months. not following some new hip los angeles diet, no money to buy fokin meat.
i lived on rice and black eyed peas in NYC for years. NOt because of lack of money or any of that chit, i had plenty of money to eat meat but i used to spent most of it on marijuana/pot/yerba

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elmodefoque says on Jun 16, 2008, 10:57:

i new this kid, dante, he was orphan like me. while i still had uncles, aunts and chit to make sure i had a little rice and beans to eat that modefoque had no one.
he used to buy cucayo (crunchy part of the rice) from la cachaca(the lady who owned la tienda back in el barrio abajo.
I still remember the greasy brown bag with his cucayo inside that he used to walk around with in the middle of the day. i shared my gasiosa with him
that's all he ate, cucayo.
things have not change very much of the very poor

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CatGirl says on Jun 16, 2008, 11:04:

Webman: People with less income, public services, y/o utilities are based on stratos. One to six.

Gracias - now I understand much more. Same in EEUU, just different terminology ;)) OK

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elmodefoque says on Jun 16, 2008, 11:09:

un corrientaso (local costeno dish) meat, rice with lentil, a piece of yuca nd a glass of guarapo goes for 5 mil pesos.
sometimes modefouques walk around selling tinto and chicklets and come mid day and still they don't have the 5 mil for that corrientazo.
what the fok do you do? keep walking, maybe he'll be able to put that 5 mil together by dinner time
and DONT be asking what kind OF meat that chit is

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robi666 says on Jun 16, 2008, 11:16:

Or maybe he can get a good portion of arroz de lisa en el mercado, 2500 Pesos.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jun 16, 2008, 11:16:

Hay muchos chiquillos en Colombia que se acuestan con un aguapanela...

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webmanco says on Jun 16, 2008, 11:18:

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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elmodefoque says on Jun 16, 2008, 11:21:

nojoda, caribanola, arepa con huevo y suero

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elmodefoque says on Jun 16, 2008, 11:23:

tipicia fritura costena
caribanola, mil barras. sold after 4 pm
arepa con huevo. mil quiniento. for breakfast

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elmodefoque says on Jun 16, 2008, 11:27:

i went many days when all i had to eat the entire day was a fokin bon bon

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elmodefoque says on Jun 16, 2008, 11:29:

cribanola, de carne, quezo o pollo. i like carne
what kind of carne? i don;t know and i don wanna know

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pedro says on Jun 16, 2008, 11:31:

Elmo, glad to see you survived that Bogota stopover. ;op

que nota!

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robi666 says on Jun 16, 2008, 11:34:

BEST frituras en el caribe: frutera El Compadre.
You may know it Elmo, it is just around the corner from Vuernes.
Open 24 hours.
Frituras, jugos y matrimonio (bollo con queso).

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webmanco says on Jun 16, 2008, 11:34:

Narcobollo

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elmodefoque says on Jun 16, 2008, 11:35:

wish i was back in cartagena drinking beer outside that tienda next to my hotel in boca grande.
gee, i love when people call me PATRON.
Here (NYC) i'm just another unemployed fokin spic and if i get caught drinking beer in public, forggeitaboutit

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elmodefoque says on Jun 16, 2008, 11:53:

robi, damn right i know el compadre around the corner from juernes
jugo de nispero is my favorite. empanada de carne which i fill with all them choices of picantes on the table

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robi666 says on Jun 16, 2008, 11:58:

My typical menu at El Compadre: empanada de queso, empanadita de espinaca, jugo de zanahoria y naranja.

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