colombian history

Simon says on Jun 9, 2008, 10:18:

The best Colombian history book is 'Los Grandes Conflictos Sociales y Económicos de Nuestra Historia' volumes one and two by Indalecio Liévano Aguírre.

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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thur says on Jun 9, 2008, 10:37:

My two cents:
* Palacios, M. & Safford, F., 2002, Colombia. Fragmented Land, Divided Society, Oxford University Press, New York.
* Bushnell, D., 1993, The Making of Modern Colombia: A Nation in Spite of Itself, University of California Press, Los Angeles.
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Simon says on Jun 9, 2008, 10:42:

I personally would prefer to read a book about Colombian history that was actuallly written by a Colombian.

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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romy says on Jun 9, 2008, 11:00:

Simon doesn't like objectivity that has been clear for a while...

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Simon says on Jun 9, 2008, 11:01:

Yeah, and foreigners are usually so "objective" about Colombia, right?

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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romy says on Jun 9, 2008, 11:03:

I say if you are looking at odds, a foreigner is more likely to be objective.
It is a bit of an anthropological debate though....

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Simon says on Jun 9, 2008, 12:34:

Yeah sure, those guys from CNN, the BBC, National Geographic, Hollywood, Univision etc are all so objective about Colombia!

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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romy says on Jun 9, 2008, 12:54:

So mainstream Colombian media is better? I disagree with that too...

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Simon says on Jun 9, 2008, 12:56:

At least mainstream Colombian media won't focus only on Colombia's negatives.

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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romy says on Jun 9, 2008, 13:07:

quickly done, you are wrong... headlines from El tiempo. now if I weren't Colombian why would I want to go after reading:
"Yidis nunca me habló de puestos", dijo el Presidente sobre escándalo por reelección en el Congreso

Armando Benedetti también sería vinculado a investigación por 'Yidispolítica'

'Cano, libera a los secuestrados a cambio de nada', le dijo Chávez a nuevo jefe de las Farc

Ojalá las declaraciones de Chávez se traduzcan en hechos, afirmó Ministro de Defensa (La W)

Fuerza Pública estuvo muy cerca de campamento de estadounidenses secuestrados, dijo MinDefensa

Juan Manuel Santos confirmó que las fuerzas militares estuvieron muy cerca de los estadounidenses secuestrados por las Farc(La W)

Pronta liberación de un secuestrado de las Farc previó ex senador Luis Eladio Pérez

En principio debe producirse la liberación de uno de los civiles, afirmó Luis Eladio Pérez(La W)

Un hombre sufrió una convulsión y estrelló su carro contra su propia vivienda en el norte de Bogotá

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b bruce says on Jun 9, 2008, 13:07:

I was just about to enter a post on this subject.I just purchased "The Making of Modern Colombia" A country in spite of itself. David Bushnell 1993. I cannot put it down. Very informative! David Bushnell is a Professor Emeritus of History at the University of Florida. He has spent a lot of time in Colombia and has certainly done his homework. Very well done! Hey Simon, read the book. I believe you would agree, Bushnell did a very good job!

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Lcacique says on Jun 9, 2008, 15:04:

b bruce: I have read many books on Colombian History due to writing my thesis on Colombia. Bushnell has written several books on Colombia and he is a respected historian. "The Making of Modern Colombia" is a good book, though it is quite short. The Simons book that you mention is flawed...It is definitely biased (though much of what is covered is true), and worse, given that I was researching Colombian history, I quickly noticed several cases of plagiarism.

thur's suggestion, "Colombia: Fragmented Land, Divided Society," was co-authored by a Colombian and it is a very good book. I liked it more than Bushnell's. Marco Palacios (the Colombian who co-authored the book) also wrote "Between Legitimacy and Violence: A History of Colombia, 1875-2002." This is also a very good book, in my opinion. However, they overlap a lot so you probably don't want to buy both of them. "Blood and Fire" is another good book but it focuses specifically on La Violencia in Antioquía.

Hoy se nota en la floresta un ambiente de alegría. ¡Y el rumor de ranchería es mas dulce y sabe a fiesta!

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Cerealkiller says on Jun 9, 2008, 15:11:

Isn't blood and fire by Mary Roldan though? I remember reading that book a couple of years ago. Violencia y politica en Colombia by Daniel Pecaut is also a good book. "La Violencia en Colombia" Orlando Fals Borda is good too.
I believe all three are available in English, but I am not certain.

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Lcacique says on Jun 9, 2008, 15:23:

Yes, Ck, Blood and Fire was written by Mary Roldan.

DANCE OF THE MILLIONS: MILITARY RULE AND THE SOCIAL REVOLUTION IN COLOMBIA 1930-1956 is also an interesting read for an older perspective. I believe it was written in the late 50s.

My advice, read several books from several different approaches.

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tejasmarcos says on Jun 9, 2008, 16:25:

Lc - are you finished writing the thesis?

trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine...

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Lcacique says on Jun 9, 2008, 16:37:

yep, tejas...Graduated with honors in the department. Now I got to get a job and pay off some debts! jajaja...

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romy says on Jun 9, 2008, 21:53:

Lcacique have you published any of your work?

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Lcacique says on Jun 9, 2008, 23:20:

No romy. Quite frankly, my thesis (though I got an A and received a lot of positive feedback) was not as thorough as I would have liked. My class schedule was too demanding. Oh well...It's over.

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mjordan2169 says on Jun 11, 2008, 06:42:

Usually one can find a plethora of books at the local library or book shops (I prefer barnes and noble). When you get there, you can look up on their computer their whole list of titles for your subject. In your case, type in History of Colombia or Colombian History. If that doesn't work, perhaps try and find an internet connection (they also have it at the library) and type in the same topic-History of Colombia or Colombian History at google.com. Hope this helps!!!!

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