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This is pretty wild. I have been curious what the real story is about this stuff, these guys seem pretty determined to get to the bottom of this weird Colombian drug, Scopolimine. I wonder if Elmo has ever experienced this stuff? Good times, Bad times. My own experience on this stuff, was apparently pretty comical( I dont remember a damn thing) but was seen by multiple people with my new friends, I lost like 20,000 pesos, and bought multiple rounds at the bar, I didnt have anything of value to steal, and no ATM card. Frustrated, these lowlifes, apparently left me at my hotel, after the guard wouldnt let them in. Wrong gringo to try and rip off I guess.
http://www.vbs.tv/player.php?bctid=1119242704&bccl=MTExOTE3NDYwNF9fTkV...

By bartolo_colon on Jul 27, 2007, 23:53 in Friendly Talkzone.

lpdiver says on Jul 28, 2007, 02:15:

gum, cigarettes, food, drinks, blown in the face as you mentioned.

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Remember what the monkey says, "Fuck money it's free"

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goin_south says on Jul 28, 2007, 02:16:

sounds like my sort of fun ;):):)) I'm gonna have to shed mi novia; she takes too good care of me :)

Simon: "What the hell does this have to do with Colombia?"

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bartolo_colon says on Jul 28, 2007, 02:34:

I am not sure, It was at La Cuchara in Cartagena across from the University. Kind of like the most confusing blackout in history. I woke up to my Colombian friends pounding on my door, they were asking me questions at a rapid pace and with great concern, and I had no fucking clue what the fuck they where talking about. They are the ones that suggested that I might have been dosed, otherwise I might have just chocked up my empty wallet and swimming head and daylight hallucinations to some weird aguardiente/aguila/coma/zombie/heatstroke/bender type of thing and never thought of it again....I did feel fucking strange for a few days, but, you know, what ever, I usually dont feel quite right after a good weekend either.

Hey, careful, man, there's a beverage here!

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panthdave says on Jul 28, 2007, 05:15:

Will definitely watch out...

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LA_MONA says on Jul 28, 2007, 05:26:

BC jajajajijiajajaja que rrrrrrrisa
Sorry I know it's serious but I am laughing so hard.....

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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RAAAY says on Jul 28, 2007, 05:45:

Sounds like a nice night out.............

It's useless to argue with ignorance...

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Lostgringo says on Jul 28, 2007, 06:50:

gringoinbogota...... If the drug can be secreted in the palm of the hand then it would make sense that they would use a paper. But what about your prepago scenerio? Wouldn't she secrete the drug through her siliconies (sp)? Just a thought.

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panthdave says on Jul 28, 2007, 07:22:

This is some dangerous shit man..Freaking me out...Basically then can mix this with anything......

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sweet160 says on Jul 28, 2007, 08:00:

does it happen a lot that people robbed or raped or both using this drug, and is it only in Bogota or in other cities as well?

" its a dog eat dog world, and I will eat your dog! "

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LA_MONA says on Jul 28, 2007, 08:14:

And Cali too..

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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LA_MONA says on Jul 28, 2007, 08:23:

I was told that it takes around 2 minutes to kick in or something so if you suspect you have been drugged to act like you are having a really bad convulsion/reaction as sometimes this really does happen, so really act and give it all you got before it really does kick in and hopefully they will run as they don't want a dead person on their hands...

Oh and btw I think all prepagos should put it on su teta, take the money and adiossss

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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sweet160 says on Jul 28, 2007, 08:27:

always let de Prepagos shower themself before....

" its a dog eat dog world, and I will eat your dog! "

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LA_MONA says on Jul 28, 2007, 08:30:

A todo marrano le llega su nochebuena

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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LA_MONA says on Jul 28, 2007, 08:31:

GIB I think what I had been told, my suggestion of the convulsion is better, you are hardly going to win a fight in 2 minutes are you?

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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LA_MONA says on Jul 28, 2007, 08:32:

jajaja thanks, was told that by hubby just in case!

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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LA_MONA says on Jul 28, 2007, 08:41:

He is very street wise and has tought me alot about that kind of stuff....awww

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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Lostgringo says on Jul 28, 2007, 13:11:

Ok here's the deal. People can use a nicotine patch to help them stop smoking. They can use that patch anywhere on their body. Because the medication is secreted through the pores of the skin...not necessarily through the sweat glands. So while I think this a great story I do believe it is more a Colombian "urban myth." Just my opinion. I don't want to stir this up too much.

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Man Tequila says on Jul 28, 2007, 16:18:

Urban myth? Scopolamine poisioning is well documented in Colombia and the medical literature.

http://www.emedicine.com/EMERG/topic36.htm

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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fecherklyn says on Jul 28, 2007, 17:18:

Lostgringo,

Nope, you had better believe it.

My cousin's best friend (in Medellin) "lost" a night after drinks with friends in Poblado. The friend's did not see her leave and she will never know how she lost her virginity.

In a way we are lucky in Colombia. This, and similar drugs, are used in othe more sophisticated locations for more imaginative thefts.....your vital organs.

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Lostgringo says on Jul 28, 2007, 19:13:

Please read my post more closely. I am saying that the idea of a prepago using her breast or nipple with this drug..........is an urban myth! Geeeeesh.

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Man Tequila says on Jul 28, 2007, 19:34:

Well, then I might agree with you, Lostgringo. But after re-reading your first post, I still don't think you make it very clear you're referring to slippery nipples. I'd agree someone who put a big dose of scopolamine on their breasts might end up looking like a boob -- but it is also possible that an oral dose is much more bioactive than a topical dose (my limited experience is more with scopolamine injections). Scopolamine is also available as a patch, but at a dose possibly less useful to criminals. The patch would be an expensive way of getting it in Colombia.

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droble77 says on Jul 28, 2007, 20:29:

This scares me more than the paseo millonario. I never carry credit cards or a lot of cash at night, but there's nothing much you can do if you're hit with this s***. Your life is completely out of your hands, with almost no time to react or get away. Really, it's up to the doorman and/or concerned friends to save your ass or minimize the damage.

I've heard about this being used in Bogotá, but Medellín and Cali too? Yikes! The golden rule for me is to never go out alone at night, taxi is always called for with the # or code verified if I'm going to meet someone at night, etc. Next visit, I will talk with the portero de noche of the place I'm staying at and have some kind of "everything OK" passphrase with him as well.

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Mr. Hollywood says on Jul 28, 2007, 22:04:

It's not just Colombia.

I knew a guy who got dosed with the stuff in Costa Rica ages ago. And anyone who doesn't think this kind of shit happens in the US should google the name "Andrew Luster".

In truth, I think it's overhyped as a danger in Colombia, unless you're hanging out in some sleazy places. You're much more likely to get a brick to the side of the head or a gun in your face at the stop light.

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goin_south says on Jul 28, 2007, 22:15:

I don't think anything here is over-hyped.... jus as in the states. As for all the talk of VIOLENCIA.. HELL... go read on www.foxsports.net... and read about all the VIOLENCIA in the sporting world...of and to do with high-profile sporting figures... OUTSIDE THE LINES.

Where ever you are in the world... you can pretty much tell,...and FEEL,... if your in THE CLEAR... or .. in a DANGER ZONE.

Colombia... USA... Timbuktu... wherever.

Simon: "What the hell does this have to do with Colombia?"

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jinksmiester says on Jul 29, 2007, 07:44:

Sounds like some bad stuff this drug.It would,nt take much for someone to slip it into a drink.Im wondering if everyone reacts the same to it though as manny people react differently to different drugs.Some people drink and become a happy drunk...others want to fight...
Im guessing a person would not have to inhale a lot to be affected...although some people on a reflex reaction might blow it away from there face rather than take a deep breath and avoid at least some of it...hell they might blow some of it right back into the face of the person trying to adminster it...but then that would be poetic justice...don,t imagine that happens to often.

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droble77 says on Jul 29, 2007, 07:52:

That's just stupid GIB. I don't want the portero to take on 2 or 3 strange guys who are possibly armed as well. I want him to play dumb and have him call for backup, police, my friends, whatever.

That's the whole point of the passphrase idea. Even with the mind control capabilities of this drug, it seems unlikely that the bad guys would know they would have to pull a passphrase out of me or command me to tell the portero my secret passphrase. :-)

In any case, I will definitely make sure next trip, me and der nachtwächter are on good terms and that he has a list of two of my friends with their cell #s. And anyway, when I know company is arriving, I ALWAYS go down to greet them and present them to the portero. That way, the portero knows anyone I don't present should be at least questioned.

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Man Tequila says on Jul 29, 2007, 08:58:

Good precautions, but no saying you'd be taken back to your apartment...

There is some evidence intranasal scopolamine works faster than oral --http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/abstract/72505238/ABSTRACT?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0

There is some evidence a spray below the tongue (sublingual) has better bioavailability than oral -- http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~content=a778979240~db=all~jum...

A patch has 1.5mg of scopolamine but is specially micronized, as GIB says, to allow for better absorption. I think putting scopolamine on the skin would be risky for the person doing this but if quickly licked off would be riskier for that person...
http://pt.wkhealth.com/pt/re/cpk/abstract.00003088-200645060-00001.htm...

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goin_south says on Jul 29, 2007, 09:24:

Hey... to take a little different twist on the subject of the drug....
I have a friend online who says that ONE OF THE SISTERS of his novia put some sort of drug in her drink recently that put her unconscious for several hours. The story, to me, sounds like this drug....scopolamine...

I have never heard of it.... doing this to family... Anything is imaginable, but.... usually on pbh, we have only read about THUGS AND THIEVES using the drug.

Any comments??

Simon: "What the hell does this have to do with Colombia?"

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goin_south says on Jul 29, 2007, 09:47:

On a more serious note....(if we can, gib).... why would a bro or sis do this to a lady of 40 years?

Simon: "What the hell does this have to do with Colombia?"

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droble77 says on Jul 29, 2007, 12:36:

GIB, maybe I don't know exactly how the drug works, but the concept probably still holds. The passphrase would be something a little unusual, something I would NOT say if I was out of my mind, unless like I said my captors pull the info out of me. Of course, they would know to ask for my PIN # to an ATM card, but they wouldn't know I have a little passphrase between me and the portero (unless they were casing me, or somehow knew or are in cahoots with the portero, but let's not get that paranoid).

Now if you've got 3 guys in your building who are ex-military, that's cool. The last place I stayed, it was just one guy and he seemed alright to me but I wouldn't expect him to endanger himself to save a colombiano. . . or even my "rich" gringo ass! :-) Just to notify authorities and maybe stall them or psych them out, sheesh. . .

As for the police, yeah I've heard several interesting stories, they're not angels but I doubt they're that inefficient if you're staying at Poblado or some other high estrata place. In any case, having the portero ask me to do silly things is just a DUMB idea, and accomplishes NOTHING in a potentially dangerous situation for BOTH me and the doorman. Even if I did give away the passphrase, the WAY I would say it and the suspicious characters with me should tip him off right away that something is very wrong.

I'm not posting any more on this issue. I REFUSE to live a paranoid life, this is something that is not frequent, and there's not much you can do to avoid it or fight it anyway. Last time I went to MDE, the plane had a missed approach and a scary HARD landing. The time before, I was in a disco and some idiot kid who was fighting someone else grabbed me from behind and pulled me off my chair so I would fall instead of him (I was fine, but the hijueputa ruined my shirt).

I know the dangers of South America and I'll do what I can to minimize the risks (and the damage) without getting paranoid about things I can't control anyway or are not my fault.

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goin_south says on Jul 29, 2007, 19:40:

simply as so many try to say, here, so often.... Uh,.....don't go where the danger is, or might be. THE STEER CLEAR PROGRAM ;')

Simon: "What the hell does this have to do with Colombia?"

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Lostgringo says on Jul 30, 2007, 16:17:

Oh well, I guess I will post some information on this drug. We had a man stay in our apartment we rent in Bogota. One night he came home with two strangers. He told me he was really drunk. Who knows for sure. Anyway, the porter would not let these guys up to his room. On another occasion, the same guy was drinking in a bar. All of a sudden he got a little out of it. He said he became weak. He made it out of the bar and some guy was trying to get him into a taxi. However, the doorman of a hotel across the street came to his rescue. The doorman made sure he went to a hospital. He was in the hospital until the next day. He swears he was drugged. And, he swears this taxi driver and other person was trying to rob him. Apparently, this guy who was trying to get him a taxi is well known by the bar staff and they have concerns about him. No telling what would have happened if he had gotten into that taxi. Yes GIB I love the story about this drug being on the breast or nipples of pre-pagos. How about this, I heard that some Colombian fathers make their virgin daughters put this drug on their breasts. They won't allow them to date otherwise! LOL

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Robert Jorge says on Jul 30, 2007, 23:50:

The apparent urban legend of the scop drug on the nipple must be pretty wide spread. I asked my wife about the drug, and she mentioned, without me prompting, about how prostitutes put it on their nipples. I asked her why the prostitutes were not also affected by the drug? ... because it is so strong and can be absorbed through the skin, and she didn't have an answer.

Eso no ayuda ni puta mierda

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goin_south says on Jul 31, 2007, 01:07:

she didn't have an answer.

smart girl, Rob. I mean.. you didn't think she wanted to incriminate herself, did ya? jejjjje

Kiddin you.... go to bed!

Simon: "What the hell does this have to do with Colombia?"

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panthdave says on Jul 31, 2007, 04:57:

Okay everybody we need somebody to test this out...and make a video..so we can get live action on this drug..

panthdave Miami

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LA_MONA says on Jul 31, 2007, 05:09:

I think all the prepago's should use it, shave the guys eyebrows and head, put lots of make up on him, rip his trousers to shreds, leave him shirtless and shoeless and write on his chest "My prepago,,,,"
and then on his back "Did this to me!" and then leave him to wander the streets in a daze....

Of course take all his money and cards first and foremost,

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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panthdave says on Jul 31, 2007, 05:29:

SO MEAN LA MONA DIDN'T THINK YOU HAD THAT IN YOU..

Would be funny though...

JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJ

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podborski says on Jul 31, 2007, 05:55:

I dunno mona, that sounds kind of fun actually...

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LA_MONA says on Jul 31, 2007, 07:43:

I have a tip for the girls as well, sometimes you are faced with a situation like this: Hey have this drink or we'll pour it onto your head..." all done in a very happy, jokey way and you know you shouldn't but you will look like a party pooper if you don't...well take the drink and act like you knocked it back, then take your agua or whatever you are using "para pasar" and take some, then just spit the drink you had into the water, I know it's digusting but you know you have to protect yourself, I used to do that in Colombia as I don't like getting too tipsy .....but you could use it in this type of situation as well....

Just make sure no one else picks up your water by mistake...

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 31, 2007, 21:45:

i was told at a training class at my **prior** work, that some hookers would put Chapstick type stuff on their lips and "other body parts" to prevent the absorption of the drug into their bodies..this allowed them to conduct business as usual......we were told to look for tissues with lipstick marks etc as evidence in the rooms of the Potatohead Johns.....

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goin_south says on Jul 31, 2007, 22:53:

"have a tip for the girls".... no, nooo..
Mona, it's the Girls.... that have a Tip.... for us!
Loaded, of course. with de drug.

Simon: "What the hell does this have to do with Colombia?"

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