Colombian Culture - Women

Gomezman5 says on Feb 8, 2006, 09:35:

Southernman Two points.....uh three.

First, Welcome to the PBH. As to staying on the topic..you can forget about that. Invariably, people go off topic. But the good news is that they return as some point or another. The other good news is that when we do off topic,it is ussually related to the topic being discussed.

Second, because you are new, you will be cut a lot of slack, but the topic and related has been brought up hundreds of times. The result being that for must of us, this topic about the differences between Colombian women and American is about as interesting to us a person's excitement would be if he was offered the same dinner that he has already eaten 50 times. That said however, since it has been debated and discussed so many times in so many threads, including in those threads where people have gone off topic, you can easily get this information by going to the left hand side and entering the info you want to Google THIS SITE. I am sure you will find more than you were even interested in. On the other hand, if you find a thread that you wish to resurrect, than you can post something, and then the thread will continue. People bring back old threads all the time.

Third. The topic of women in general is a very sensitive one here. It borders on the periphery of violating the rules. As to me, I could not care, and at times send emails to the moderation when I think there may have been too much moderation. But in general,they do a good job and they cut us alot of slack. Keep in mind though that if you start turning your thread into info about dating or where to find the Colombian women, your thread will draw attention of moderation quickly.

Above said,,,,welcome aboard, and I think you will all of us have something to offer even if we don't agree a lot.

tejasmarcos says on Feb 8, 2006, 10:06:

Aside from culture, money or the lack thereof should certainly be considered. The American family was very different 50 years ago. I think we have to ask ourselves why. I recently met a beauty of my own and all I can say is aside from looks, there is alot of genuine characteristics that make her extremely appealing to me. This is hard to find in the good ole USA. Women here make good money and are independent enough not to need a man (the pros and cons of womens lib). A great thing that has had both positive and negative reprocussions. It won't be long until the Latin culture takes an invariable shift of it's own thus liberating a percentage of of the population. Maybe 10 years, maybe 50. It will happen - money always changes the cultural fabric of societies it touches. From the famous words of Paul Hewson, "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bike."

my glass is getting shorter on whiskey, ice and water...

harocha says on Feb 8, 2006, 10:50:

Don't Agree with Marcus How do you explain then that a Colombian woman who makes enough money to live good, takes care of the family and have some luxuries, who lives in the USA but grew up in Colombia, who tecnicly (based on what you said) does not need a man still considerate a man very important on her life and meets all the description that Southernman mentioned above???? If this is a money isue, I think things will change with the first big fat check... Not happening.

tejasmarcos says on Feb 8, 2006, 11:10:

women's lib took almost 50 years to simmer into a stew of what is now. it did not happen overnight. cultures turn slowly. some faster than others. there is a blend of media, socio economic and pursuent work factors that fertilize the growth of change. the slower the demise of the family unit, the slower the change. unfortunately or fortunately depending on which side of the coin you sit, the american family unit has diminished at greater than average speeds over the last 25 years or so. we may actually have a female president in office for the first time. my point is, what started the wheels of change turning has really gathered momentum for the american gringa. i cannot predict the future, but i'm sure the wheels of change will turn much slower in latin american societies. however, that being said, change will occur. will those socio economic changes affect the latino family unit - yes. how and to what degree - we'll see.

*** dictators know this already. that is why they keep their people poor and dependent on solely them for survival.

my glass is getting shorter on whiskey, ice and water...

mariasman says on Feb 8, 2006, 11:23:

Keep pressing forward Southernman I think that the reason for this difference is because of many factors. First and foremost, Colombian women are raised like women. From the beginning, the colombian mothers( for the most part) teach their girls how to walk, talk, dance, how to be responsable and how to be a woman. In Colombia, there is still a strong discipline within families that is instilled from the beginning.( either that or the fathers will beat their asses.)These children( the girls for that matter) have no voice like the spoiled youths here in the good ol USA. There is no child protective services which is grossly exploited by children here as a weapon against their parents.

Secondly, I think that that whole male machismo thing in Colombia is another reason for our good fortune with these ladies who by the time we meet them, they have already been thru a few nightmare relationships due to abuse( phisical and verbal) and infedelity and number one on the list, LAZINESS!!!! I can't tell you how many times I have heard this story. Here in the states, Us men are abused by women that were raised a completely different way and by the time we meet these Colombian women, It is like something we never imagined. Could this be true, she is Beautiful and has a heart of gold and a great A$$ and nice set of cans.
Another thing could just be the mood of the country. You know, when I am there, it almost seems like I become a different person. I feel innocent. I feel like telling all my fallen American comrades who have tasted the blade of the American woman to join me. Never give up!!!!! P.S.- The key to keeping them that way is that if she gives 100% to you in the relationship, then you need to give her 200%. Give her candy,roses and tell her you love her 100 times a day and you will have the best relationship and friend of your lifetime. Not to mention very passionate nights and she will literally drown you with kisses.

mariasman

Tinto (Moderator) says on Feb 8, 2006, 11:39:

Please read the rules and tone down the generalizations/insults about American women.



Same goes for the stereotypes of Colombian women as having "hearts of gold, great asses and nice cans" and Colombian men as being "unfaithful, abusive and lazy."

morphus says on Feb 8, 2006, 12:32:

Mr Rat, I have to disagree a little. Colombian men have it a lot easier courting Colombian women. Thats why Colombian women have all those good qualities or they will be out of the market. A bus driver in Colombia can get laid more consistenty and with better quality women than a bus driver in other countries. I know a girl in Medellin; her father is around 50 years old and has a 25 year old girlfriend. He only makes 800,000 pesos a month.

kat1 (Moderator) says on Feb 8, 2006, 14:07:

I am looking forward to read ELMO'S answer to this post ;)

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harocha says on Feb 8, 2006, 14:26:

Tremendas??? What did they do to you guys? did make you spent 75k on a wedding, with the excuse... This is about me, me and me, The Bride, this is the most important moment of my life... bla bla bla, Or maybe they told you that they leave you because you are a looser who can't aford a 20k diamond for her, no no maybe they told you that you better pay for a brand new car because if you are driving a big truck they can not have less than you, or perhaps they are just so competetive that you can't put up with their speed anymore, they just think that it is impossible that you are making more money than they are because it is not fair, IS this happening in Colombia???. I know, I know, you are just talking about few Colombian women who got a plastic cirgury and have 3 BF at the time.
I am glad I lived all my life in Colombia and didn't get to know that many women who were like this, but I got to know a lot of women who are just like Southernman described. How many years did you guys live in Colombia who came out with that conclusion?

Have a goodone!

caslug says on Feb 8, 2006, 14:27:

i love this line.. "For women to grow up in homes with not fathers, how is it that they are so educated in the art of pleasing their man. "-southerman..

caslug says on Feb 8, 2006, 14:28:

southernman.. have you visit COL before? If you have. Have you met LOTS of COL women before? Just curious..

harocha says on Feb 8, 2006, 14:41:

20K COP Well Rat, as you know I wasn't talking about COP, to tell you the truth Colombian women who are middle class and lower do not know what is the big deal about a dimond, plus I honestly doubt that YOU can buy a dimond for 20k, well maybe you are talking about afording a piece of plastic that looks like a dimond on any street artesiania shop in Colombia, and after reading your posts THAT I don't doubt, for sure YOU can afford it.

morphus says on Feb 8, 2006, 15:01:

I agree that women are the same everywhere in the world. They would rather avoid poor men. But what is considred poor in one country is not considered poor in another. That is why a lot of men become delusional when it comes to Colombian women. The mere fact that you can travel there makes you rich in their eyes. If the Colombian guy making 800,000 pesos a month is a success, then you can imagine what they might think of a foreigner. Its like a pro athlete playing in the special olympics. If Shaquille O'Neil beat a bunch of handicapped players in basketball, does that mean he played good basketball?

treeshark2 says on Feb 8, 2006, 16:40:

Going for the Gold or Colombian Cukture After reading differnt posts by gringoinbogota, I have great respect for his views. So the Colombian chicas just seem great beacuse they are after the rich gringo and are faking you out. Hard to argue with that viewpoint from my experience.

However Colombian culture is different from American culture; and the Colombian chicas are products of their culture. Because of Cultural differences, there should also be differences in behavior. I have been in a night spot when a favorite Colombian song is played and the 70 year old grandmothers get up and start dancing. Not something I remember seeing in the USA lately.

Like Mariasman, I feel quite different when I am in Colombia; so perhaps "the mood of the country" has somethng to do with it too. When I return to Colombia I feel alive and free. When I return to the USA, I feel like I am returning to prison.

Suddenly I am in the mood for an Arepa pelúa.

arthur brode says on Feb 8, 2006, 16:45:

colombian women that that LIVE in colombia are #1 they are beautiful inside as well as the outside.but once you take them to the states,that changes.they get gringanized.

http://www.calirentals.net/

rocinante says on Feb 8, 2006, 20:25:

they..... The men in Colombia are not as bad as ya'll think. The women in the US are not as bad as y'all think. Colombian women and woman from third world countries look at gringos the same way US women look at Donald Trump. Is Trump really "all that" - or - does he offer something that puts her on easy street, compared to what she had? But the hot US women who would go for Trump are in a minority. There are plenty of hot US women who are well off - they don't need a sugar daddy - they have standards and they wouldn't give Trump the time of day. Just like the hot Colombianas who don't need the meal ticket. Both sides exist and the Colombianos looking for any old gringo to whisk them and their children to gringoland are far and few - contrary to popular belief.

As far as pleasing a man and/or being old world and feminine you need to travel more. Colombia is definitely in the top 10, though.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

rocinante says on Feb 8, 2006, 20:51:

FACT "Women in Denver DON'T look like nor ACT like Colombian women. OK. FACT. These chicken-ass white girls here do not look/act/treat you like a Calina, Paisa etc.. FACT"seanjaun

FACT - if you were the CEO of a fortune 500 company, someone rich enough to have a private jet, have class and culture, in a nutshell high status, you'd be treated by the upper crust of Denver hotties just like the Calenas and Paisas you mention. FACT. Of course those Denver hotties that fall for the CEO who's much older and fatter are in the minority - but so are CEOs - when it all boils down there are less CEOs - so the CEOs have plenty to choose from. And these US hotties will bend over backwards to please these guys.

You're an average Joe in the US, in Colombia you're a rich celebrity, CEO. Get it?

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

utopiacowboy says on Feb 8, 2006, 22:18:

What a bozo thread. Or as my wife would say, bobado. I've been with women from four different countries and basically women are women. A high quality inflatable doll will stand up to repeated wear and tear however.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

Lionheart says on Feb 8, 2006, 22:58:

I dunno I moved to South Florida in November and I have been observing ... and I am not pleased of what I see.

In many other threads the so-called faithfulness of a Colombiana was mentioned and adored. All I see here is you need a lot of $$$ and a guard to maintain that. Some Colombian insiders of PBH have pointed out it is the same in Colombia. With $$$ you buy faithfulness. Within a Colombian relationship I can't judge who is unfaithful first. The macho man screwing around while he is out of the house, or the sexy wife screwing around while he is out of the house, be it plumber, gardener, or delivery boy.

Btw, I see the same in all Latin groups here, not Colombia specific. being unfaithful is the daily way of life. Sure, some are faithful - they are the gems, hard to find and you pay a price for them: It takes two to be faithful in a relationship.

I agree with the posters about the damage Feminism has done to relationships in the USA and Europe, the complementing each other to become one in a relationship has gone lost. I have experienced it myself. But as others pointed out, gems can be found everywhere. Sometime the woman is the gem, sometimes the man is the gem. Result, the two gems finding each other make it. And the gems exist in every culture.

Maybe there are more female gems in Colombia than elsewhere, but the gringo or Colombian man must be a gem as well to make it work. Bottom line: It takes two to Tango.

kat1 (Moderator) says on Feb 9, 2006, 03:49:

But some of them don't know when they are being tangoed ;)

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. says on Feb 9, 2006, 05:54:

I think we should not generalize Firstly, I want to apologies for my not good grammar. Well, I think we should not generalize, generalizing is usually coming from mediocre people, in Colombia you can find all kind of women as it is in the USA, beautiful or ugly, intelligent or stupid, good workers and bad workers etc. etc. On the other hand, if there is a woman speaking bad things about all Colombian men just because an ex-boyfriend run with some one else, you will have to start thinking why!, there are so many Colombian girls who does not like Colombian men and there are so many Colombian Men who do not like Colombian women, each one of them has a bad story to tell that’s all. I like any kind of girl despite of her colour, ethnic origin, social class, country or religion, what make really a difference is her moral values or the way she was raised or her education level, character, personality intelligence and others. On the other hand, in Colombia like in any where in the world there are lazy men, the majority of Colombian men have to work so hard because in Colombia does not exist governments benefits, so if they do not work they will starve.

southernman says on Feb 9, 2006, 06:40:

Continuation I have been to Colombia and I was very curious about Colombian women from this perspective.

Many Colombian women have never had fathers at home to train them, and for those that did have fathers, he was too busy with his other girlfriends, than being home with his wife and children.

Yet someone raised Colombian women, or their culture was instilled in them to be women that are beautiful inside and out. Take the american woman, she is beautiful, has money, cars, homes, great job, everything. However many of these women are alone, why? because they choose to be? NO, because their attitude is one of disrespect, not all american women.

The Colombian culture has these women looking beautiful, being sensual, sexy. loving, tender, passionate, and they will take care of their man day or night.

American women say, I can't do all of that, because I don't have time, I am tired, etc.

A third world country, where work is hard to come by, money is hard to come by, no car, in fact some ride a motor bike to get around, no private room at home, must share a bedroom with many other family members, not to mention NOT being excepted by her country, and by men. they have no material value to themselves, all they have to offer is themselves.

They stand out over american women. For every one american women you show me that is like a colombian woman, I will show you hundreds or maybe even thousands of Colombian women, who are waiting for a GOOD man.

This site? Get ready because Colombian woman are coming to america, they are going to get the man, because they have all that they need to do this, themselves. Their culture has taught them that sensual, sexy, tender, respectful, loyal, will get them all they need. American women are learning that as long as they continue to act as they do, they will continue to be alone.

Some on this site have colombian women, and you say, we heard enough of this thread, but did you hear or read enough when you were looking at these women?

Culture is who we are, and Colombian Culture speaks volumes about the Colombian woman.

Anerican Culture is who we are, and many many men are choosing to enjoy colombian culture and it's women, don't hate, congragulate.

. says on Feb 9, 2006, 13:56:

To rocinante It is not really true mate, to be a reach celebrity in Colombia you must be a Gringo with a minimum wage of 60,000 US (after taxes) per year if you want to get a highly educated Colombian woman raised in a good family plus you have to behave as the nicest guy in the whole world; then if you do not get $60,000US after taxes, you will not look as a rich celebrity for a highly educated Colombian woman raised in a good family instead if you are getting $30.000 US (after taxes) per year, you will look as a reach celebrity for a middle class Colombian with a degree, but if you get less than 15,000 US (after taxes) you will be a reach celebrity for a low class Colombian Girl with high school studies, but if you are just a backpacker with three part time jobs in the USA you will be a rich celebrity for a Colombian Girl who possibly does not know reading or writing. Not one is going to see you as a rich celebrity in Colombia, the fact is that people in Colombia like foreigners because they think all of them are nice guys who want to enjoy in Colombia and I am sure they are!. I like foreigner in my country what ever the country they are coming from (excluding Spain). ...My apologies for mi english grammar.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Feb 9, 2006, 14:21:

me gusta tu manera de pensar, juandpadillo. It's all in numbers.
Cheers,
Desi

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else's life.

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harocha says on Feb 9, 2006, 14:22:

Final product of the enviroment Women are phisicly women any where the are, meaning have the same parts, two legs, two boobs, a pussy and etc, etc, etc,. However, when we become adults we are the final product of our own enviroment just like men all around the world. Or you guys are going to tell me that a woman from Afganistan is just like a woman from Rusia??? or a man from China is just like a typical Costeño like Elmo????

No way Jose, We are different and if is true that we all look for someone who is not a looser and can be watching our backs for us while we relax (this does not mean give me, give me, give me) it is true as well that we "many women" have our own way to provide love and care to that man who we want to keep next to us for the rest of our lives. We do have different ways to see life and treat men, ín Colombia most women didn't grow up having a dryer to dry cloth, or going to the pub wenesday night after work for a happy hour, or having a man who has to cook for him and the kids while mommy is in Vegas on a weekend girls out, Come On!!!! we didn't have a Nanny because the 7 YO sister is too small to take care of us, and daddy was never playing with us because then we grow up with a trauma. There are many many reasons why we are the way we are, and they are the way they are, you never see a woman in Colombia putting mom and dad on a Senior's public home because she is too busy with the sucess while mom and dad are 90 and 95 yo.

My good friend wants a woman who is a sucessful professional, who is in the office all day, and who drives from work to the pub to meet him for happy hour, who dress perfect and has class and money.

My other friend wants a woman who like to be in the house, and who has a lot of time for him, who has dinner ready when he arrives, and who wants one or two kids in the future and is willing to stay home and take care of them, he says he rather put food on the table than having a woman who can't be with him or care for him because she is too busy at work.
They will both be able to find what they want to, but one has to go somewhere else to find the type of woman he wants to, because it is going to be hard to find it where he lives.

No everyone in this life is looking for a gringo because "All gringos have money", there are many other reasons why women like foreign men, blue eyes, blond hair, tall, learn about other cultures, lovelly people, etc. and not all the men are looking for the prototipe of a Colombia gal because she has great boobs or a nice ass, culturally we are different too, I don't say we are better or worst than American or Rusian women, we are just different and everyone should get what they like.

Telling the world that every single Colombian woman wants a gringo's money... please is there any STUPID gringo or no gringo man who meets a woman and transfer all his possesions to her because, that concpet is so stupid. Everyone wants a better life, does not mean that people wants someone millionary or even rich, people (women and men) want to build a great future based on hard work and where both in the couple put big amounts of efford, no just his money or her money. It is so easy to know when someone wants your possesions, so the best is move on and look elsewhere, and STOP the trauma about everyone wants your money and all women are the same!

Rene Borbon says on Feb 9, 2006, 15:41:

Staying on Colombian Women -- or American Women Great posts. My two cents --- American women are spoiled. They do not know adversity. To get a good looking American woman, you have to be Mr. Big. You gotta have the BMW or Mercedes. You gotta have the 3,000 square foot home, the Gucci shoes, the jet, the high powered job. In the circles I mingle with, you gotta have the MBA or Law degree from Stanford or Harvard. It is just plain tough in America and even tougher in the San Francisco area. Here everyone is chasing the dollar, especially the women. American women are a nightmare!!!

Now, in my experience with Colombia and the women. It has been great. Two of three I have met in Colombia were awesome, great values, good with oney, modest in material desire, good lovers. Very sensual and passionate. One was like an American. Overall, I think Colombian women have the edge on American women. When I see a blonde blue eyed chica up here --- the kind everyone stares at up here, with tongue hanging out --- I don't even bother with looking at her.

The american blond chicas are just plain white crackers to me. I don't give them a half second thought or look anymore. I love my little morena Barranquillera - she blows the doors off any American cracker any day.

Viva Colombia!

harocha says on Feb 9, 2006, 16:18:

Well I think some people here need a little exposure to the San Francisco Down town area at night, maybe come by and enjoy the launge areas at night, maybe you can stop by at the Top of Hill, or the latest bar that opened one of the Pier at Down Town, But first remember don't show up if you didn't achive the MBA or don't have the Stanford or Harvard Law Degree yet just like Rene says.

Great comment Rene, no just because you said viva Colombia, but also because it seems like you, Juanpbadillo and few others have a much better understanding that we are not the same type of women, and we are not after the same things.

Have a goodone!

southernman says on Feb 9, 2006, 17:37:

Rene thank you You are echoing my points exactly, Colombian people know adversity, tough living conditions, lack of basic material things for life.

Americans have it all, may have a hard time getting it, but it is at their disposal.

You take a good looking american woman, she will speak to you, but at the same time, everybody has an understanding that if you are not a certain type of person, keep stepping.

When I was in Colombia, Barranquilla, I talked to more womem poor, average, middle class, and yes, they are concerned about everything american women are concerned about.

However, if they never get those things, they will still be warm, beautiful, sexy, romantic, tender, care for her family, respectful. They will continue to give attention to their beauty, and YET MANY OF THEM DON'T SEE THEMSELVES AS BEAUTIFUL.

Americans family many years ago cared about each other, husbands and wives, got along, wives respected their men.

We can take some lessons from Colombian Culture, in order to solve issues, in our own american culture.

I am not trying to beat up american women, I am just amazed that with so much adversity, Colombian woman are still beautiful and not so much into looks or money, they are just interested in a healthy relationship, with someone that will work hard with them to take care of their families.

THANKS RENE

utopiacowboy says on Feb 9, 2006, 18:17:

Wow! All this time I should have been pasting my law degree to my forehead in the clubs here. It would have worked like the Ben Franklins I used in Colombia? Now you tell me.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

mariasman says on Feb 9, 2006, 20:24:

My appologies about my generalizations from the earlier post. First of all, I am sorry for what I said referring to Colombian men with reference to what I have heard about them being womenizers and lazy ect... Truth is, I really don't know. I just said what I had heard from many of the people that I have interacted with while I was living there. Please forgive me. We have plenty of American lazy SOBs here in the states as well. I will not, however retract what I have said about The monsters from my part of the planet because they deserve no mercy. I am not talking about everysingle American woman but the vast majority. I am so sorry if I have offended you gringo's that think that you know it all whom are residing in Colombia. Sometimes this forum seems to be like a forum of Nazi's( ie: Utopia Cowgirl)) who always seems to leave the most arrogant and negative messages and critique everyone who writes in this forum. Anyway,,, sorry to anyone that I may have offended( especially the men of Colombia,,, I was not thinking) except for The American women(you suck) and Utopiacowgirl( you suck more) . Hey gringo,,, You are not God here. Calm down will ya.

mariasman

mariasman says on Feb 9, 2006, 20:31:

P.S.- I am no expert on Colombia or do I want to be but I am happy that I have experianced such a beautiful and rich country with such a beautiful culture and,,,,, I LOVE MY WIFE!!!!! I will be indebted to Colombia for the rest of my life. Thanks for all your support.

mariasman

mariasman says on Feb 9, 2006, 20:35:

One more thing,,, For all you foriegners( mainly the American know it alls) if you are so content with American women, Why in the hell are you with or trying to get with a Colombian woman? Just some food for thought. Go back to the States and find yourself one of America's finest gems. You deserve it.

mariasman

Crazy4Cali says on Feb 9, 2006, 20:41:

Wow, relax, dude.

If you like colombian women, great. If you like gringas, great.

One man's cheese is another's sour milk.

Make love, not war.

I think that about covers it.

mariasman says on Feb 9, 2006, 20:42:

Even one more thing,,, I love America.

mariasman

mariasman says on Feb 9, 2006, 20:44:

You want to know what I like??? I like you!

mariasman

utopiacowboy says on Feb 9, 2006, 22:22:

That time of the month, Mariasman? I love these guys like Franko44 who go around whining about the really mean posters on PBH but who are busy spewing as much venom as they can at the same time. Don't take it personally, dude.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

southernman says on Feb 9, 2006, 23:03:

Money and Colombian Women Since money and material things are hard to obtain, Do Colombian women in general like to save money, or do they spend it as fast as they get it?
Do most men who have Colombian women, allow there women to control the money?
When I was in Colombia, I observed Colombian women being thrifty with money, take a bus than taxi, cheaper. May buy a hot dog, but not a coke, save money.
They always talk about things in relations to whether those things cost much money.
So do they save like they talk, or are they like most women in this area?
Would you trust your colombian woman with the check book, credit card,etc?

southernman says on Feb 10, 2006, 01:37:

Addictive Yes ramrod, a man can get very addictive to someone like that, and I
bet she don't have to do much to finish out looking like that.

Is this your wife or girlfriend?

So delicately beautiful

Lostgringo says on Feb 10, 2006, 04:23:

Utopia Cowboy I think you spend too much time on PBH. My only concern or "whining" is only about crude, rude, sexist, racist, foul language and low life comments. If that bothers you then......

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Crazy4Cali says on Feb 10, 2006, 06:24:

"A colombian woman" is a pretty broad term. The only thing I think you can honestly say about "A colombian woman" is that she is female. Beyond that, "some do" and "some don't."

I still say, you find what you look for, whether it's in the U.S, Colombia, or anywhere else in the world. If you're looking for a flashy golddigger, that's what you'll find. If you're looking for a sincere, honest woman, then you'll walk past all the flashy golddiggers until you find her.

Crazy4Cali says on Feb 10, 2006, 09:22:

No, gracias. If you want a rubia con actitud, save your money and stay in the U.S.

mariasman says on Feb 10, 2006, 10:33:

Argentina,,, Ahh,,, you Argentines are among the most arrogant of all the races and as a matter of fact, I have heard that the women in Argentina are even worse than the monsters we have here in the USA. Keep the blond hair and blue eyes for you.

mariasman

Crazy4Cali says on Feb 10, 2006, 11:42:

I heard... I heard you could make a fortune by buying Argentinos for what they are worth and selling them for what they think they are worth.

mariasman says on Feb 10, 2006, 11:46:

To Argentino You are living a hallucination. I guess that the acid you are doing must really be good stuff. You know, this just goes to show how arrogant you really are. As a matter of fact, I never once had the urge to visit your country(BORING, like you). Remember, you are Europes stepchild (Europes little bitch). Respect the Brown because it runs within your blood as well wether you like it or not.

mariasman

mariasman says on Feb 10, 2006, 12:28:

You know what,,, You should be proud of South America as a whole. It is your continent you dummy. If you have such a great education (as you say) then try to realize that you should be a representative of your continent. Obviously your school never taught you how not to be so arrogant and racist. I think you never finished school. I think that your mom is to blame. You would not have this problem if your mom was Colombian. By the way, I read a poll where in fact, Colombia and Venezuela were on top as far as education goes. P.S.- your soccer team is the only thing good in your country.

mariasman

mariasman says on Feb 10, 2006, 12:33:

Hey Argentino, Your mother is a man

mariasman

Colombiche says on Feb 10, 2006, 12:41:

Guys here is a recipe Recipe to make a Uruguayan:

- One scoop of Gaucho
- 3 bottles of Tango
- 2 bags of mate

Dump it all in a pan, stirr for 10 minutes then add just one teaspoon of shit. Careful, just one teaspoon, if you add more than that the end result will be an Argentinian.

Ja ja ja. I know this is going to get deleted, but what the heck.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

harocha says on Feb 10, 2006, 13:01:

Why? -¿Por qué algunos científicos para sus experimentos prefieren utilizar argentinos en lugar de ratas?
Por tres razones:
1. Argentinos se encuentran en todos lados.
2. Los científicos no se encariñan con ellos.
3. Y ciertamente hay ciertas cosas que no se les debe hacer a una rata.

fugdis says on Feb 10, 2006, 13:29:

proud llego el argentino.I met a lot of people from argentina in the falklands back in 1982,they didnt seem particularly proud of their country or as arrogant as you,they were just scared,hungry,cold and beaten.

Colombiche says on Feb 10, 2006, 13:37:

Argentino Fact is Argentina is yet another self-loathing Mestizo nation who sweeps their native heritage under the rug and tries to exalt their European lineage - as though doing that warrants some sort of superiority over the rest. That is why I allow myself the liberty of dropping a cruel joke here and there.

Argentina is a third world country, with a volatile economy and a turbulent history. Today, kidnapping is a big problem in your country as well. Educated? You have a slightly higher literacy rate than Colombia or Venezuela... (we are all in the 90% range).

Besides claiming that you are all blonde (which is a big lie and who cares if your hair is straw white)..What else is Argentina's claim to fame? (please no soccer, sports don't feed the hungry masses).

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

Lucia Rojas says on Feb 10, 2006, 14:22:

is it really feminism that damaged relationships? or is it the fact that women changed but men didn`t? Not discussing feminism ( which doesnt completely satisfy me).. it just seems that one gender underwent changes and the other stayed the same... just like when when growing up, that girls always develop faster than boys in so many ways... Men in the Staes have to change too, to be able to relate to this different kind of woman...but some are really sacred of changing and others have just decided that they dont like women after all....jejeje
the logical thing would be that if women underwent change in which they became more in contact with their masculine side/ energy, men have to become more in contact with their femenine side/energy... (and it has no relationship to homosexuality at all) just the femenine side.... but men think that makes them seem less of a man..... I don`t know... I don't even know if I am making myself clear... its just something I have thought about a lot, I am not trying to pick on anyone or anything...

Monpirri says on Feb 10, 2006, 14:38:

You're right Lucia Rojas because I feel very femenine right now, would you able to get me that mission impossible task? Or do you want me to give up on it?
In any case, I still be here or there when I get there in couple years.

Regards,
Monpirri

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

harocha says on Feb 10, 2006, 14:41:

jejejeje You guys are Something else, something else!!!!

mariasman says on Feb 10, 2006, 14:58:

Hey Argentino I was refering to the way that you make reference to peoples skin color you idiot. Dont change the subject because you are sinking. P.S.- I love the recipe on how to make an Argentinian

mariasman

Rene Borbon says on Feb 10, 2006, 15:28:

Generalizing I posted earlier I have a morena fiancee. Let me tell you I have lots of experience with what you call the rubias --- they are nothing special. In fact they have things working against them in terms of being good women.

Basically, forget about color and focus on the character and the culutural uniqueness, the variation in different races. There are many Latin women who are positively stunning and are preferred over the rubias. In fact, sometimes, when a pretty woman opens her mouth to speak --- it is the biggest turn off.

Forget about chasing rubias and American chicas, focus on what is good in character, personality. In my humble opinion, meeting a down to earth unspoiled woman is easier in Colombia, or anywhere outside of the United States.

Monpirri says on Feb 10, 2006, 17:45:

Hey Argentino I know where you coming from. I seen the Argentina PR campaign in Colombia, I have see the positive cultural exchanges going on today in Colombia! I know you were joking about trying to depict a super race or whatever you were trying to say.
I am sometimes embarrassed of what people say here on forums.
I however want to extend my hand of friendship with the purpose that we continue to enjoy our long-term friendship.

Regards,
Monpirri

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

utopiacowboy says on Feb 10, 2006, 18:20:

Yeah but Franko, if you eliminate the "crude, rude, sexist, racist, foul language and low life comments" that would be 90% of PBH's content. Take this thread for example.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

southernman says on Feb 10, 2006, 20:56:

Colombian Culture Do you know what is really interesting with this thread? When you re-read all the comments again non stop and meditate on all the comments that have to do with Colombian Culture & the Women, you will find more agreement that Colombian women are a breed that are wonderful to get to know.

Dispite the hardships that Colombian people go through, the women apply what they have been taught, to be very desirable inside and out.

Yes, some say, women are women, some say that other cultures have good women, some say there is no difference.

However, where all of you comment on the Colombian woman, you make a positive comment about the looks, attitude, Sensualness, and you say that for every man that has one of these women, they are blessed.

I never talked to argentina woman, I have talked to a woman from venezuela. Many of you have traveled all over to many places, but I have traveled all over the USA, and I am so sorry to correct some, their is a big difference, and in this thread the majority of you agree that their is a difference.

Meet American women, then Meet Colombian, their will be a noticeable difference, in looks, attitude, romance, how you are treated as a man, respect.

Who does not want money? every woman in the world wants to be cared for. Who does not want their own house, car, colthes? Every woman wants that too. Why even you men want those things, but we are not considered Goldiggers, are we?

There is a difference, and the more people comment on this thread, the more that difference is seen. If you don't believe me, go back please and read each comment, but except each as the truth, you will walk away with more comments that Colombian women are different.

Do the test please, see for yourself.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Feb 11, 2006, 01:51:

"is it really feminism that damaged relationships? or is it the fact that women changed but men didn`t? Not discussing feminism ( which doesnt completely satisfy me).. it just seems that one gender underwent changes and the other stayed the same... just like when when growing up, that girls always develop faster than boys in so many ways... " (Lucia Rojas)

Yes, I think that you're onto something here. It seems that it's the generation born before the seventies that has the hardest time adjusting to these changes. Most young men, at least here in Scandinavia, would not want to date or marry a fifties-type housewifey woman. They appreciate women that are intelligent, self-confident and emancipated. Good personality and sense of humour is also rated high.

Second:
on behalf of all rubias I must protest! Who says that blonde hair and blue eyes makes a woman cold and materialistic??? Please stop discriminating us blondes!

Cheers,
Desi


Embrace your uniqueness. Time is much too short to be living someone
else's life.

-Kobi Yamada

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

dwmte says on Feb 11, 2006, 04:48:

well...having read and reread many of these posts... i actually find that many posters who i respect have let me down and lowered the group level by speaking the way they have/do. what one gains by insult and putdown excapes me. we don't need moderators, we need a little self respect. that in and of itself will produce a reciprocal respect for others.

as for the colombian women. i feel like since i didn't discover the colombian woman in bars and clubs, i had the opportunity to really get to know a 'colombiana'. not one driven by some of the issues discussed adnauseum above. i've lived in the mountains far from what the casual visitor to colombia will ever know or experience. too, i've lived the priviledged life in poblado for a number of years. both experiences delivered to me an experience of colombians not had by the usual visitor to this wonderful country.

in the cities, you certainly have those who are partially if not totally driven by striving to 'come up the ladder'. but in the country, it has been my experience that both men and women seek little more than a good, safe, loving life that they can share with the one they choose to spend their life with. they don't have eyes on the sky, nor are they "gold diggers". hardly, they are humble, loving and caring people who want/seek what is right in life. both for themselves and their families. to hope for a comfortable life is really nothing out of the ordinary...neither in colombia nor in any other country. it is human nature.

as for the quality of the women...they are wonderful. and yes, they are different than here in the states. they put family before self. the key and foremost difference. i have a huge extended family in colombia and within that group there are some wonderful folks and some big 'pains in the ass'. that is universal. but as i said, for a 'real' colombian, self is secondary, family is primary. therein lies the difference.

viva colombia

dw

creamontop says on Feb 11, 2006, 05:37:

there is not much to add to what is written by dwmte I think you stated what it is all about dwmte.

"i feel like since i didn't discover the colombian woman in bars and clubs," + "of colombians not had by the usual visitor to this wonderful country."

Too many people only meet such woman inside cities, clubs and bars. That is maybe only 5 % of the woman of the complete population in Colombia. Another "chunk" meet normal woman but treat or see them like the woman in bars and clubs.

It is everywhere the same in the world. People living in cities are different from people living on the land/countryside. You have to deal with a different mentallity. And cultural differences occur inside one country this way. A country girl is not a city girl. (Or she must have seen too much soap on TV and adapted to such a lifestyle).
Like stated by dwmte :
"in the cities, you certainly have those who are partially if not totally driven by striving to 'come up the ladder'."

But most in the countryside remain "down to earth" and give different values to life and its expectations.

Like stated by dwmte :
"but in the country, it has been my experience that both men and women seek little more than a good, safe, loving life that they can share with the one they choose to spend their life with. they don't have eyes on the sky, nor are they "gold diggers". hardly, they are humble, loving and caring people who want/seek what is right in life. both for themselves and their families. to hope for a comfortable life is really nothing out of the ordinary...neither in colombia nor in any other country. it is human nature."

........ I could not say it better !!

Find out for yourself guys. Quiet easy to know the way how she reacts when you tell her : I'm not rich, I'm unemployed or I cannot afford to bring with me a big present for you.

When you get a reaction :
I dont want you to be rich, i want you to love me, that will be your wealth you give me.
I will find work and we share what we have
I do not neet a big present, a man that only has eye for me will be my biggest present.

you can bet you found yourself a true woman. It can be found everywhere it is "universal". Only... the chances are quiet "higher" you will find her in Colombia, and more likely in the countryside (I guess, and will find out soon) :-)
And unfortunately more inside the woman with a mentality as before the feminist revolution.... .

yo me puse tengo un guayabo ahora, yo seguro hace cuando estoy en Colombia

morphus says on Feb 11, 2006, 05:39:

Argentines are good looking people but they get some of it from the Indio heritage. When you mix a caucasion with about 1/4 indian, you get a better looking human. The same thing when you mix Asians with Euros. At least the women anyway. I was watching a reality TV show about cheerleader try outs for the Dallas Cowboys football team. Most of the girls were from the Mid-West USA. I noticed that they were all plain looking. They could have used a little Indio mix. There are a lot of Americans with Indian heritage. Some are/were celebrities. Theres Elvis, Val Kilmer, Cindy Crawford, Jessica Biel, Jesica Alba, ect. They all look good. They can thank their native genetics.

Heres a list http://www.nativecelebs.com/actors8.htm

I like this girl Jessica Biel. How did a gringa get a booty like that?

dwmte says on Feb 11, 2006, 06:21:

i don't know, morphus... she looks like she's part afro-american...especially for the behind.

dw

morphus says on Feb 11, 2006, 06:45:

Her bio says she's German, French, English and Native American (Choctaw)

Monpirri says on Feb 11, 2006, 08:04:

Que belleza! That's what I want for Christmas!
Che, I'm glad you are back with us.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

Lionheart says on Feb 11, 2006, 08:12:

all in perspective dwte put it fairly well, you don't need moderators, you need more respect.

Thia forum is about Colombia and not Argentina, or Uruguay etc. Comparing women from different nations is moot, as all nations have women this way or that way. Same goes for blondes, brunettes and red-heads.

Colombianas will always be a PBH topic, but please stay respectful and don't put others down. It is often hard enough to remain silent when the women from various regions of Colombia get compared. I think you can find any kind of woman or man anywhere, it just depends how and where you look. If you seek in city bars and nightbars you will find one kind of woman, if you seek elsewhere you will find many other kinds, no matter where you are seeking on this planet.

It is absurd pulling up celebrities with international background and putting them up as representatives of their nation. Or is Arnold Schwarzenegger the typical Californian?

I have noted many times in PBH posts that Latin nationalism and putting down Latinos from other Latin countries is normal in real life, but this does not belong in PBH ... it is disrespectful.

Monpirri says on Feb 11, 2006, 08:52:

Argentino Here is my stake on this affair and I am not teaming up with anybody on PBH about what I’m going to say. I am totally independent from what has been going on here.

1st, there is a lot of ignorance wondering around on this site. I do not see the point why few indivuals become racist about your country without any merit.
2nd, I know it is very difficult for some people to remain cool when someone attacks his or her country, but you were wrong when you tried to say that Argentina is cream of the crop in South America today.
3rd, there is a factual statements from you about Buenos Aires being greater city than Bogotá. I agree with you 100% about that, just by looking at the avenues and roads of Argentina Vs. Bogotá, one can see the difference in the infrastructure and other positive aspects.
4th, Argentina many years ago used be the wealthiest country or the best to live in South America, everyone from Europe and other parts of world wanted to enjoy the ride or life there. But, let's be honest and realistic, as I have been up to now on this topic, the economic picture and social life about Argentina is totally different today.
Colombia with all the 100 problems that she has today is the new Athens of South America.

P.S. I tried to post this on the other thread but it was locked

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

southernman says on Feb 11, 2006, 10:33:

dwmte Amen, Amen, I was taking the country road with my thread, another words, this was my point exactly.

When you factor in living conditions, you have a woman that is truly in my view a marvel.

My Fiance from barranquilla continuiosly tells me, all I want is you, I want you to feel like a mi rey, I want you to be proud of me, I want to protect you, care for you, give you much love day and night, I want to massage you, cook for you, go with you everywhere you go.

How many of these types of women would marry and move away and not want their immediate family helped, if they need it?

None, because they are human and they want to be loved and cared for like everyone else in the world, and they would hope that a little help could be given to their family, but it is worth it, because the love they give to you doesn't compare with what many many americans can or will do.

Dwte, thank you for your open and correct comments.

Sometimes, I feel that those who speak negatively might have had a bad experience , or are afraid of the four letter word LOVE.

Everybody can't handle it. My Fiance is poor, but she is so beautifully rich, I wish I had of found her years ago, but then years ago, I might not appreciated this kind of true love.

A man who has had a bad experience can enjoy such a beautiful woman, but he first needs to get rid of that experience, and come to Colombia not afraid to experience true love.

Again Dwte, If this thread did not continue anymore, the point has been well sounded by many, that, one can find a woman of any culture, and at times a good woman.

But a Colombian woman by far will excel, and I an american man, would be proud to care for my new Colombian family.

southernman says on Feb 11, 2006, 10:52:

Argentina Why don't someone do a thread and find good in that culture, from experience.

I am sorry if it appears that I am putting down american women, I am not.

I am taking the living conditions of both cultures, and I am concluding that, Colombian women with their beautiful faces, bodies, sensualness, sexy way, tenderness, caring, respectfulness, humbleness, coupled with the fact that they are economically disadvantaged (but rich enternally) have more to offer than many or most americans who are materially prosperous, and yet lack many things that would compare them to Colombians.

However, I am sure, if one looked High and low, he will find an american woman who comes very close.

I appreciate the opportunity to start this thread, because the love I have found in Barranquilla, makes me extremely happy.

I did not meet mine in a bar, and in addition, her family treats me like one of the children, with a whole lot of love, and not one of them have asked for one dollar, one peso from me. My lady says "I just want you."

To see this Colombian woman features, body wise, will send any to another planet without a ship.

She would not appreciate me posting her picture, but she is built beautiful, and her way (inside) is even more beautiful.

Thanks Dwmte

utopiacowboy says on Feb 11, 2006, 16:54:

What man would not want an "intelligent, self-confident and emancipated" woman as Desi says? Gracias a Dios que la tengo.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

southernman says on Feb 11, 2006, 19:22:

Are you Saying Are you saying that Colombian women are not intelligent?

There is nothing wrong with intelligent, self-confident women, are you saying that colombian women are no these things?

why can't a woman be all things? intelligent, self confident, sexy, loyal, humble, passionate, sensual, etc..?

remember many are married to Colombian women,maybe you are.

utopiacowboy says on Feb 11, 2006, 22:04:

That's what you call booty-licious.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

southernman says on Feb 17, 2006, 02:39:

Are Women Washed Up After A Certain Aged IN Colombia? It appears to me that women can be beautiful and have a great body at 35-50 in Colombia, but is it true that they are considered washed up, no good because the younger women compete for their jobs. Also is it true that the men in Colombia perfer the younger women because they are beautiful, and young, and the men want to go with the women.
I know women in Colombia that are 35-40 and their husbands have left them for much younger women, and I hear that this happens with jobs too.
A 35-40 year old woman is a prime age for a woman in US to get a job, many younger women 21-30 are not many that have their heads on straight to get to good power jobs.
Why does it appear that women 35-50 are no good for the job market?

When guys show pictures of girls on P&H, they always are pictures of girls who are young.

No one seems interested in the woman who is 35-50 but that has been kepted up well, why is that. You show women men 35-50, who have kepted up well, and they go crazy, why does it not appear to be the case with men and women.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Feb 17, 2006, 03:01:

nah, you can't have it all "Are you saying that Colombian women are not intelligent?

There is nothing wrong with intelligent, self-confident women, are you saying that colombian women are no these things?

why can't a woman be all things? intelligent, self confident, sexy, loyal, humble, passionate, sensual, etc..?

remember many are married to Colombian women,maybe you are."

I thought this thread had already disappeared a long time ago. Anyway, I didn't say anything about Colombian women in my previous post. I was talking about younger Scandinavian men and their preferences and comparing them with the preferences of many older gringo who goes to Colombia to find a woman with "traditional family values".

All the virtues that you have listed in your post cannot be found in one person, or maybe in your eyes they can, but that would make either a fool or a person totally infatuated, which is about the same thing. Just pick out three and try them out in different combinations and see what you like. Suggestions to possible combinations: intelligent, humble, sweet. Dumb, self-confident, sensual.
Intelligent, sexy, loyal. Sweet, sensual,shy. Sexy, passionate, disloyal....try out some combinations with two virtues and one negative side too and you'll be closer to truth.

Cheers,
Desi






Embrace your uniqueness. Time is much too short to be living someone
else's life.

-Kobi Yamada

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

southernman says on Feb 17, 2006, 06:43:

Colombian Women Desi, I don't understand your comments, I was not insulting the Colombian woman at all, and none of my comments in this whole P&H posts, are insulting to Colombian women.

I am asking a question, that I would like an answer to, not if you want to belittle me for my question, please don't answer. I am from america, and I have heard that when women reach a certain age, MEN in Position of power and Hire, will look for women much younger, and I am adding prettier. I added that because I know a man who in Charge of a Bank in Colombia and he does have girls that he hits on that works for him.

I know this is everywhere, but it seems in my mind, and my little mind can be wrong, that women, when they reach a certain age in Colombia, men don't want to hire them,because of their age, even if they are very very intelligent, smarter than all of us put together on this site.

But I don't know, so I am just asking a question and all it takes is a answer like, well southernman, women who are this or that are or are not treated that way..............

Please try to remember that everyone don't know as much as you, and many are trying to enjoy the site, and comments, so please, if you must give people a hard time, then don't, just answer the question, and if no one wants to answer the question, then the only person interested is me, and that is okay too.

Please not trying to be rude, I am just a man learning, just like many of you have learned.

Maybe there are thread that discuss this, but there are also new people other than the oldster who would like to make a comment on the questions or statements or observations coming up NOW.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Feb 17, 2006, 07:16:

never mind, southern I just wrote some thoughts as a response to your initial post and then as an answer to your post quoted in my previous post. That's all. No need to get your underwear in a knot.

Now, about this other thing about men hiring younger, more attractive women and older women being pretty much out on their luck in the job market it's a whole different pot of stew.

Cheers,
Desi


Embrace your uniqueness. Time is much too short to be living someone
else's life.

-Kobi Yamada

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

kat1 (Moderator) says on Feb 17, 2006, 09:14:

Southerman, that is one problem in Colombia, men think that women over the age of 26 not 35 are past her dates, you find jobs offer for girls 18 to 25 with 5 years experience, hello when then they finished University or training then, when they were 16? I don't get me started if you are 25 and have a baby that is! no many men are going to be interesting in you, they don't want that package too, some are very lucky and find a genuine man. That is why many of this Colombian 30 something women go on dating agencies because they know that many foreigner don't think like that. like you said in the USA a woman of 40 is still young, here in the UK is the same, and did you know they run an experiment, they show to 600 men different pictures of women without mention their ages and the most popular ones where the 35,36 years old

engage brain before opening mouth

kat1 (Moderator) says on Feb 17, 2006, 09:20:

Now a younger woman get impresed very easy, the money, the attention, the clothes, and older woman knows what she wants , that is why she is a bit more picky, at her age she wants a man to love and spent time with, no all those material thing.

engage brain before opening mouth

kat1 (Moderator) says on Feb 17, 2006, 15:47:

Kingrat Practical about it? they are a bit more open minded ;)

engage brain before opening mouth

utopiacowboy says on Feb 17, 2006, 20:22:

Very few Colombianos can afford a woman with children no matter how gorgeous she is. Plenty of them wanted to sleep with my wife but they could not afford to marry her. I don't mind raising another man's children. After all he's dead and maybe he'll put in a good word for me.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

JLynISU says on Feb 22, 2006, 18:30:

Well this discussion bleeds of generalizations.

The entire world hates the U.S. yet embrace our culture, media, gossip, etc.

If you like Colombians/foreign women...do your thing! But don't go putting down western women as an excuse for your preference. That's just silly.

Lionheart says on Feb 22, 2006, 19:44:

Careful with your words Be patient and learn more about the members here ... many have had a lot of bad experiences and express them in this way. I learned to understand their point of view, and I have had my share of experiences as well. Ok, I don't put anybody down, but some people do due to what they have been through.

As a generalization the general opinion sees the Colombiana as the ressurection of traditional family values and a woman who knows her place in a marriage - and it can be a good place if the man knows his place as well. In the USA and especially in Europe the traditions have become warped and I have a feeling especially the men are unhappy about it.

and this site is famous for bashing the USA ...

JLynISU says on Feb 22, 2006, 20:01:

Oh I Understand.... I just felt like pointing out a general hypocrisy amongst those who bash the USA. Normally I do this to at least get people to realize a bit their own hypocrisy of most of what they say. Sure western women have far different upbringings than non-western, however...how exactly are western men in general superior to the so-called materialism/uneducated/simple-mindedness of the exact same western society that we western women grew up in?

Plus, I'm used to American-bashing so no hard feelings. I live in CANADA.

Anyways, if my post is causing a riot I'll leave the discussion alone. :-)

morphus says on Feb 22, 2006, 20:54:

Western men are more primitive than the western women. We would trade in all our material possesions for some good booty.

southernman says on Feb 22, 2006, 23:15:

American Society & Maybe The World? In the United States, you hear a phrase that is called a Right Wing. Supposedly, this Right Wing is used to start, and finish the demise of a certain form of government, or people in power, in government. Who makes up this Supposedly Right Wing? Ask a million people, get a million different answers.

Just like this supposedly Right Wing in the USA, there is an influence, that is being used to destroy traditional family values, and this influence is gaining many victims, What is it? Ask a million people, get a million different answers.

The victims are males and females who allow themselves to influenced to give up their traditional family values, for money, materialism, power, drugs, lust, womens lib movement, equal power, etc...

So as a result, you have women who think, believe, and act just like a man, they don't feel they have to take care of their family children, husbands, homes the traditional way. But then you have men who beat, abuse, mistreat women, so therefore they don't love, cherish, their woman as a weaker vessel with honor, the traditional way.

So for the man who is from Canada, the whole world, but especially western society is messed up, and it is spiraling downhill.

I am 46 years old and I have been all over the united states, and anyone who has travel, lived, associated with western world, can see with blindfolds, that the family is messed up.

Men who have been in relationships that were bad, have learned that in some countries, there are a hugh numbers of womens, who have not been affected by this influence, these (Colombian) women have been taught to love and take care of your man, love your parents, love your children and take care of them, be intimate, sensual, tender, caring, loving, (thank you Black-mamba).

Why do these american men want a relationship? To aquire back what they lost, the traditional relationship where the man and woman fullfill their role in the family, to provide a nurturing, warm, loving, close knit atmosphere.

What is wrong with that? Nothing, but if we continuing listening to people who tell us that there is nothing wrong with the western world, many more persons are doomed .

There is a problem here, and it cannot be denied. I cannot say there is, or is not a problem in Colombia, because I am not Colombian, but the woman I met from Colombia (the woman many of you met), don't act like a woman, who don't have traditional family values.

Our prisons have never been more full than they are now, men are on the streets doing every kind of drug possible, children are taking their lives because they feel that their mom and dad, just don't care about them anymore.

So if a man can go to a Country and find a woman who wants those same traditional values, who wants to have children to bring up in a loving atmosphere, who enjoy their mom and dad, being a real family, no one can fault such a man.

This problem of the demise of the family is getting worse, so if you want a better chance at a traditional family life, find a american woman, or man, who values the Traditional Family, the right way (those values are bible based), or go to South America, and you won't have to look far, and you will see plenty of good women who have the strong family values you have.

Lionheart says on Feb 22, 2006, 23:32:

not a riot actually a positive twist in this thread

I am too tired now to reply to some comments, I will write them when I am awake and have time tomorrow. Don't leave, I have a few replies to you too, Jessica.

dilate says on Feb 28, 2006, 17:57:

"woman as a weaker vessel with honor, the traditional way."
I'm sorry, but that is a disgusting characterization of women. A woman is not just a vessel, not a body made for your pleasure, made merely to "take care of her man." If you consider her a subordinate and an object, that's not a relationship, that's exploitation and oppression.
My heart goes out to the Colombian women living the patriarchal sexism this thread reeks of. Godspeed to their feminist movement, it'll happen eventually.
ANd "being a real family." ?! There are many, many ways to be a family; humanity is too diverse for their only to be one workable model. Some are not more real than others. Think outside the box, man!

utopiacowboy says on Feb 28, 2006, 21:57:

Andrea Echeverri would be proud of you, Dilate. Of course she completely disgusts my wife who is normally proud of everything Colombian. You're going to have a great time in Colombia. What is about Colombia that attracts the malcontents?

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dilate says on Mar 1, 2006, 02:46:

I would conjecture that they have more of an entrenched power structure yet to overcome, not that they necessarily are peachy-keen with the status quo. ANd btw, feminism is NOT about women wanting to be men! Hell no. It's about choice to self-determination and actualization, to being able to pursue who and what you want to be as a *human being* without limits or oppression by constructs of gender. My conception, at least, of feminism--a diverse field of theory and thought indeed--does not prize men/masculinity nor women/femininity, but would seek to transcend such limitation of *people* who happen to have or not have particular genitals into predetermined boxes. That there's not just one way to be a man or a woman (not that one has to necessarily be either)..and in my opinion that kind of freedom would be greater bliss than any kind of gender limitation, for people of all genders. What is it about feminism that's *so* threatening to men, anyway?

Crazy4Cali says on Mar 1, 2006, 05:27:

Oh boy, here we go again... As a man, I hardly feel "threatened" by feminism. I actually embrace and support the idea of being free to do what you want to do. Where I think feminism falls short is that it promises more than can realistically be delivered and ignores the notion that by choosing one option you forego another.

The most common complaint by feminists, lately, is they feel that it's unfair and that life is somehow biased against women becuase they can't have their rewarding professional life and happy home life and satisfying relationship...all at the same time. In reality, there's nothing biased against women about that at all. NO ONE can have all of those at the same time without spending an incredible amount of effort. Yet, feminism tells women that somehow they have a right to "have it all," because men have been denying them this since time began. In fact, men have actually been denied this since day one, but they don't complain about it, as a rule. They grow up, work for 40 years and then die while the women complain life is unfair. (speaking in vast generalizations, of course, individual stories will vary).

Now this isn't to justify unfair treatment, opression, or abuse, but remember, all is not gold that glitters.

caulfield2 says on Mar 1, 2006, 09:15:

Well, I was reading some of these responses on this thread to an American gringa who teaches at my school.

She REALLY wanted to respond to some of them in particular, but wanted to take more time to formulate a thoughtful response.

It's a mix of everything...the traditional stereotypes about Colombian women, what's supposedly wrong with American women/feminism/family values, etc. I like how everyone tries to define "family values" as if it has some type of universally-accepted meaning, when what they are really trying to say is the woman should be secondary, a vessel, a helpmate in a relationship.

The comments about the wholesomeness of the woman from the country...well, maybe there is something to that. However, the bridge to cross on the other side is what happens when she moves to YOUR world? How many of these posters here have been married to a Colombian woman for 3-5 years or even more.

Typically, these threads are a mixture of spouting off the traits and attributes of their novias/fiances...in sometimes poetic and sometimes hilarious imagery and language. Lots of budding Shakespeares looking at the world anew as if they just discovered it in Colombia, lol.

And that's the polarizing nature of the Internet...you get the truly loveblinded that nothing bad could EVER be said about Colombian women and those who have been burned and would NEVER believe they could possibly be happy with a Colombian woman (or any woman, for that matter) again. Not only that, they feel it's their God-given mission to WARN everyone about dating Colombian women, instead of letting us decide for ourselves. The fact is, you don't usually hear from those who are "moderately" happy or those whose relationships are okay and functioning...you hear from those just starting out the process or those whose lives and belief systems have been ruined by the experience of dating and-or marrying a foreign man or woman.

I tend to believe that everyone is largely a product of their culture...and, more and more, as time goes by, we are losing those unique and distinctive national and continental cultures due to globalization. Some here are already worried that Colombia will be corrupted by a tourist invasion, right? Globalization has many good effects in terms of economics and the potential affordability of products and opening new markets....but it also tends to water down cultures simultaneously.

I probably have met too many of the discoteca, younger crowd. The super-hottie class. They are fun, but, like angel food cake, not filling in the long/term. But it looks good, so you want to take a bite (you can fill in your own substitute for angel food cake if it makes the analogy more apt). I am sure of one thing, I don't want the 1950's version of an American woman in a 2006 Colombian woman. Unless you plan to live in Colombia for the rest of your life with her, that simply doesn't have a great likelihood of success.

It comes back to something really simple IMO. Time, lots of time spent together, no matter what the cost...learning a language (for both parties involved), compromise (not just her), hard work, communication....and not just time spent in "vacationland" with USD but real everyday life with everyday problems to be confronted and overcome together. In my experience, you have to work together with the same goals and objectives in life, and you have to know that you're willing to fight through any problem because you care about that person more than anything in the world. If both parties don't share that belief, the relationship is doomed. But I hope all those posting such idealistic prose about Colombian women (or any non-Western women) have really survived problems and hardships in their relationships and are not just keyboard Romeos sucked in by a fantasy that comes apart more easily than you realize.

Crazy4Cali says on Mar 1, 2006, 09:46:

Can't argue with that.... WRT: "In my experience, you have to work together with the same goals and objectives in life, and you have to know that you're willing to fight through any problem because you care about that person more than anything in the world. If both parties don't share that belief, the relationship is doomed."

I agree completely. This is true regardless of where you live (or lived).

pia says on Apr 10, 2006, 11:03:

first visit to colombia I am new. Happened on this site via a search. I am an American with a Colombian husband. He is nothing at all like any negative stereotypes. He is neither player nor macho. I visited many places in Colombia and again found little basis for negative stereotypes. I did not find anyone in Medellin to be snobby as I have heard. Women were talkative and intelligent and friendly (although yes I am a woman). Men were very respectful to me and cared about my opinions. I didn't feel like anyone labeled me negatively as an awful American. The only thing I noticed that I found to be difficult for me (as I am considering even to live there) is the manner of dress and the emphasis on appearance of women, and the high number of surgeries (yes, this is happening here too but is more affordable and thus more common there I think?). I would imagine, as a young carefree person it is a wonderful enviroment for good times, but to think of raising perhaps a daughter, I wonder also if it would be hard for me as I have a different background. I think the first place a man should look at me is in the eyes, and if not, I have made a mistake in choosing my clothing. Do women there feel more of a pressure to look nice there than here? Note the question is not if women there are cuter, but rather if there is more pressure there on trying to look nice.

utopiacowboy says on Apr 10, 2006, 13:26:

In answer to your question "if there is more pressure there on trying to look nice", the answer is most definitely yes. Remember it's not how you feel, it's how you look and you look marvelous!

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

morphus says on Apr 11, 2006, 07:59:

Women in Medellin can't just throw on sweat pants and tennis sneakers to go to the mall. Especially El Tesoro, Olviedo, San Diego and Uni-Centro. Other women will be disgusted by you and sneer at you. They also notice very easy when you are wearing a no-name brand. Its a big deal there.

Rubiazo says on Apr 11, 2006, 09:25:

I say show them all up! Go naked!

bucaramangadude says on Apr 11, 2006, 11:48:

I love it here All I know is ,with my blond hair and blue eyes.
I get 2-3 phone numbers a day.
What a life.

pia says on Apr 11, 2006, 11:58:

the perfect solution I am not much into designer labels and makeup, although I do like to look nice from time to time. I must say this, though:

Shopping in Colombia is awesome since the sizes are more appropriate, the styles are fun, and the prices are great! However, I think the high maintenance life would not be much fun over time. Don't like manicures much either. I think going naked is a the best alternative for all of us. Probably get a few phone numbers that way too. That, or sent to jail... :)

utopiacowboy says on Apr 11, 2006, 12:32:

Puedes enviarnos un foto, mi querida?

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kernow62 says on Apr 11, 2006, 12:41:

Well Pia, if you go around naked don't expect me to look you in the eyes! In fact I might not even notice you have eyes.

aztec says on Apr 11, 2006, 13:32:

In a larger sense... ...I have to agree with Juanpbadillo. If you stick to generalities and not specifics he is right on target.

Better educated, more wealthy, and attractive Colombian women will have more demanding standards when it comes to men. They don't need an American gent to introduce them to the larger world. Many of them already are sophisticated and international travelers.

Serenade says on Apr 17, 2006, 09:46:

Fascinating thread, but I don't get Utopiacowboy Sorry I'm getting to this thread so late, and I confess I haven't been here for awhile, seems like I've missed out on some good posts. Anyway, I have seen many of utopiacowboy's posts on Planet Love (now Goodwife.com, I guess) and he always has helpful info and insight to the posters there with subjects similar to this one, so why UC, are you so different here? I mean earlier in this thread you were pretty negative in your posts, and that doesn't happen at GW. I'm not "complaining" or "whining" but just curious, why the difference? Are you trying to impress certain people here, do you have multiple personalities, what?

utopiacowboy says on Apr 17, 200