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Colombia tierra querida

I live in London and i too heard about the documentary shown on channel 4 probably the biggest channel here after the BBC of course , they showed aguablanca and siloe. my friends saw it however i did not hear about people shooting others in their lower spines to make them handicap that sounds ludicrous and yet i cannot argue with that you see my family lives in el retiro the most dangerous part of aguablanca, my mother was raised there and her family still lives there, most of my uncles and males cousins have been killed some of them before they reached the age of 18 and my female cousins have taken their places and now earn their livings as pandilleras too as well as campaneras (selling drugs). i'm not proud to say that but it's the truth they are way too dangerous, one of my cousins is now serving 95 years in the palmira prison for the traketos and other dangerous characters he was the leader of the milicias populares in the whole distric of aguablanca and worked for el cartel de cali.. you see cali is a beautiful city as it's the rest of Colombia the problem is not the country but its people we're too corrupt for our own goods but not all colombians are like that, most of us are hard working, responsible and very patriotic but the others left are just a bunch of sadistic, brutal and cruel modefoques! and yea my family it's that and much more sad but true

but not matter how bad things are colombia es lo mas bonito que hay!! people there take things for granted, colombians dream of going to america or to europe to have a better life but the truth is that once they have reached their goal they just want to go back, no matter where we are we will always have the need to go back es nuestra tierra y nuestra sangre the grass is not always greener on the other side colombians living in other countries too suffer, everything it's not as we thought it would be..

once we get to this new and new, marvellous and exciting contry we find out that we're no longer the high class or that our jobs and careers back home means a load of dogs bollocks to these people and that we need to start earning our money the hard way, waking up really early to go to work cleaning toilets and other peoples' mess as well as having to put up with all the shit that people throw at us. colombia might be dangerous and all but it's our country and we live for it.. don't we?

By nanis on Dec 31, 2004, 08:54 in Friendly Talkzone.

utopiacowboy says on Dec 31, 2004, 09:29:

You are definitely the female counterpart to Elmo! You don't try to whitewash anything - you just tell it like it is. There is so much crap posted on this board but your posts stand out like diamonds.

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ske says on Dec 31, 2004, 09:35:

Mrs.Gomez Thank you so much for posting that. I am so so sorry to hear about what has happened to your family. I genuinely mean that.

I can't belive that people actually live like that.

They interviwed a 21 year old male that earnt his money by killing people. He done his first hit at 13.

Why is it so nuts in Cali?

nanis says on Dec 31, 2004, 09:50:

Ske not everyone in Cali is nuts and not everywhere it's dangerous I admit that there are some pretty difficult to reach places not even the police goes there but it's not like that everywhere. the problem with us colombians is that with money we can buy anything even our own mothers, people are so corrupt, the government, the police these people are our leaders for god's sake! we look up to them and yet they let us down time and time again so if they lie and are as corrupt as hell why can't a poor guy with no money to feed his family do the same? that is how many colombians think believe me! i should know coming from a poor and dangerous family myself!... if they do it why can't we? that's what people think and there it goes on and on the violence and corruption will not stop until we have full certainty that our governmet is as clean as whistle but will that ever happen? who knows?

miamimike says on Dec 31, 2004, 10:05:

Widespread Corruption Good post you made, veryInteresting. It is just not Colombia that suffers from you mention above-this behavior is the norm in many Latin American Countries-look at Mexico and the Salinas Brothers, Nicarauga's President Aleman(jail), Panama's Noriega-in jail at FDC here in miami, Pinochet of Chile, Menen of Argentina, Fujimori and Toledo of Peru. Cubas Fidel. These politicos rob the populace blind--raid their respective countrie's treasuries for personal and family gain. These countries can't progress because of these crooks and the poor get poorer and the small super rich upper class garner more and more power. Look at all the Petrol dollars squandered in Venezuela Before and after Chavez came in to power. The problem is so engrained after decades that its difficult to erradicate--and then left wing loonies like Fidel comes in promising to be a pancea for all the wrongs and hes put in office. And things don't improve. A difficult problem for sure. Why all this exists is a question for the Gods.

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? ... That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.,

nanis says on Dec 31, 2004, 10:05:

utopiacowboy the thing is that most people in this forum want to portray colombia in a whole different way and my heart goes to them but i wish that everything was as easy as they say it is, I love colombia I couldn't be more colombiana if i want it to and that's why i know how tough it is to live in colombia but you see although most people in this forum have colombian backgrounds they have been raised in other countries or in upper classes most of them just don't know the meaning of need and hunger all they know it's clothes, plastic surgery and the cabalgata because going to cali for christmas to the feria de cali is all they care about

Gator says on Dec 31, 2004, 11:14:

In All Fairness Aguablanca and Siloe are the TWO most dangerous barrios (neighborhoods)in Cali. I just retuned to Bogotá after visiting several of my wife's sister at their new home in Jamundi just south of Cali about 15 or so miles. From watching TV and listening to the wife's sisters it would appear almost all of the homicides are gang and narco related.

We had no real problems but then I do know my way around. This is NOT to say Colombia, et.al. is not a dangerous place to visit but is reasonably safe if you use your head.

"Brevior Sltare Cum Deformibus Mulieribus Est Vita!" .

oldbongo says on Dec 31, 2004, 11:23:

senora,gomez.. young lady,..
you are a courageous woman..
the oldgringo knows one also..
in carmen de bolivar,there is no end to
family stories of violent loss,..
it continues today in cartagenas barrios too.
i well know that you may take the girl out of the barrio...
but you can't take the barrio out of the girl..
that's why we have to commute.
he who feels it,..knows it.
keep telling 'em like it is, kid.
and have a happier new year.

toneloc24 says on Dec 31, 2004, 12:14:

Mrs Gomez!!!! Wow!!! Thanks for such insight into your life. Glad you posted that.

As someone who has also lost people to this senselessness (maybe not in Colombia, but it's the same story), my heart goes out to you. Your motto should be "live every day as if it's your last." That's been my motto for some time. You've lived several lives already, hang in there and enjoy each day. Think about it, you could be stuck living in Cali, near your relatives and stuck in that mess.

I'm glad you're not, and I hope you continue to share your opinion with us here. It's good to hear the other side of the story as well.

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

miamimike says on Dec 31, 2004, 12:23:

World Homicide Rates I googled this out of curiousity and was surprised at the results. Here in the US-Puerto Rico is the winner-thumbs down-almost 800 homocides last year-a LOT for a small island of a cuople million residents,but there are other countries with a rate exceeding Colombias' bby 56 per 100,000. Colombias' rate is high-88 per capita(100,000)residents. See more--Htpp://www.cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2004/12/24/796761-ap.html - Dec 30, 2004 - Similar pages

If this link isn't hot-type it in your browser and open it.

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? ... That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.,

nanis says on Dec 31, 2004, 12:39:

I think i attract danger, oh men why me?? i'm here at work minding my own business when i stupid drunk old fool came to give me grief and i told him to leave but he came back really drunk and angry and started calling me all sorts of names mainly bitch and telling me that as soon as i leave work for home he's gonna kill me with his knife and he showed it to me from a cross the road it's a huge one and it's 31st december almost 9pm and i'm stuck at work waiting for somebody to pick me up because i'm so scared of these psychos you see in colombia they wont kill you unless they have to but here there's crazy people everywhere serial killers and all these eurpeans are fucked up in the head and there i was thinking that only colombians were violent. i am in london working as a manager in a hotel and these things still happen to me i'm so far from home and yet danger still haunts me.

miamimike says on Dec 31, 2004, 12:49:

Maybe its your ........ BOOTYantomy you have been telling us about. Those English guys have quite the eye for a nice booty just a little more reserved in the manner they express themselves about things of this Nature. London Dangerous-come to Miami, Fl.

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? ... That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.,

nanis says on Dec 31, 2004, 12:55:

miamimike i've been there my husband lived there all his life in fact i'm leaving london on march to go to the states for good

miamimike says on Dec 31, 2004, 12:58:

and the Bad.... Are you traveling to Miami?? I could show you some nice Tabernas Colombianas--and the good and the bad....

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? ... That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.,

utopiacowboy says on Dec 31, 2004, 14:16:

Miamimike, you sly dog, I bet you could show her some sights, all the while you're checking out that bootylicious thing. Don't let Elmo find out you and Mrs. Gomez are running around on him!

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dwmte says on Dec 31, 2004, 14:39:

mrs. gomez.... i enjoy your posts and sympathise with you over the madness in our world.

in your homeland, my cunado was killed when 4 sicarios on motos came to the house and just blew his ass a w a y. period. my daughter even saw it. a tragedy which occurs all to often in barios, hoods, etc. everywhere on our beloved planet. i am one rare gringo to survive a visit to the university of sicarios in bello. but wiser, i guess, for the experience. it all happened just because i helped this young kid out...kinda saved his butt. anyway, i lived to tell about it. the kid even wanted to hook me up with his sister. as nice as these folks treated me, all i could think of in my pounding heart was, LORD, get me to hell outta here, alive.

i hope when you come to the states, all will brighten up a bit for you and slowly the reality of these childhood/youth tragedies will begin to fade and life will have some form of normalcy for you and your family.

be well, and fare well

dw martin

utopiacowboy says on Jan 1, 2005, 18:32:

Mi suegro tambien. Para el famoso Pablo Escobar.

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nanis says on Jan 3, 2005, 11:20:

thanks guys even tho my life has not been easy i think that i have everything to be greatful for, my health, my family and most of all the experiences that i've had to go through these experiences have made me aware and have taught me a lot about life and about the people around me these experiences have made me more mature and even stronger so that i don't have to put up with all the shit that people throw at me!!!

elmodefoque says on Jan 3, 2005, 11:29:

mrs. G, me estoy enamorando de ti. the second i saw your pic blood started gushing down my body, if you know what i mean. i bet you would look great in my arms.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

nanis says on Jan 3, 2005, 11:58:

elmo i'll take it as a compliment, you're real sweet in your own kind of perverted way but still sweet

elmodefoque says on Jan 3, 2005, 11:59:

mi amor, you live in London? I can’t imagine a hot Colombiana, a bright ray of sunshine as you in such a cloudy, cold, rainy place like that. Is that where the feature king, (Prince Charles) wants to be a tampon. I have thrown some nasty piropos (cat calls) in my days but even that turns my stomach.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

nanis says on Jan 3, 2005, 12:59:

yes i do live in london, it's a pain in the ass let me tell you i've been here for a long time not only the weather is crap but the people are way too miserable. the only time that i do enjoy being here it's during summer however english people are crazy they like to party and get drunk some of them are a real laugh that's the kind of people i like to hang out with they're the ones that keep me alive in this miserable place but i'm leaving soon and can't wait! i'm heading off to colombia for a nice long vacaccion and then i'm off to miami to live there for good this should happen in a period of 4 months i'll keep my fingers crossed! in the meantime i'll just keep making nasty faces to the dull and miserable londoners that cross my path and keep partying and having a laugh with the ones that sure know how to enjoy life.

toneloc24 says on Jan 3, 2005, 14:32:

at Mrs Gomez After seeing your pics, now I understand your previous posts regarding your derriere. THUMPS WAY THE HELL UP!!!

London folks are not ready for someone like you. Yeah they like to party, but I'm surprised more people don't kill themselves. That's a miserable lot of people, and then there's the dreary weather. You'll dig Miami much more.

Thx for the pics. Not gonna flirt with you. May be meeting up with Elmo sometime soon, and he may try to repay me, "guajiro" style, and it's too hot to run in BAQ.

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

dwmte says on Jan 3, 2005, 16:47:

mrs gomez going back to a previous post about behinds...i might add, now, that your images have been posted, that the view is akin to the sight of two delightfully nice pumpkins on holloween. i shouldn't be preoccupied as to it's loveliness. i think the whole of the staff here at PBH will confirm my estimation. just listen to elmo!

thanks for the pics.

about london, had to spend a lot of time there in years past and found the folks i was around wonderful--they were all connoisseurs of rare textiles, like myself, so there company was great. the weather and the general 'blokes' could be boring to tears.

peace,

dw