Colombia, the disgraceful appalling truth

elmodefoque says on Jun 23, 2008, 06:45:

thank you!

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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viajero123 says on Jun 23, 2008, 06:59:

Great video, thanks!!
This is the reality of millions of Colombians! You don't need to apologise to the Colombians for our reality.

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webmanco says on Jun 23, 2008, 07:03:

En Colombia muchas veces hay que hacer de tripas corazon, trabajar con las uñas y aguantara a quienes creen tener un par más de pesos que uno.

La vida sigue.

Claro que tener muchos niños no ayuda mucho.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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elmodefoque says on Jun 23, 2008, 07:04:

this is only part 2, the nice soft version.
Part I is a doozy, i'm ashame to show it

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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Cerealkiller says on Jun 23, 2008, 07:08:

I just watched part 1 Elmo. You should totally post it on here as it challenges the common wisdom preached by some PBHers who clearly have opted for ignoring the realities of half the country (Pirry's figure, not mine).

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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Philly says on Jun 23, 2008, 07:12:

Anyone who has lived here or is living here knows the truth. These people work their asses off for slave wages. I make really good money here and I live paycheck to paycheck. I have no idea how people make ends meet. I sure have not figured it out yet.

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robi666 says on Jun 23, 2008, 07:15:

Good post, Elmo!

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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elmodefoque says on Jun 23, 2008, 07:23:

sorry, i'm way too ashamed to post part I, anyways what if them colombianos in power over there find out my true identity, i'll be chop liver, i'll be just a greasy bloody spot on a side of a road near the airport in bogota.

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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Lowell says on Jun 23, 2008, 07:24:

Philly, but speaking the truth here is a big no no. It's of no use talking to people who blow off what I see, hear and experience in Colombia. My barrio is a 2-3 and it's surrounded by many 1-2's. I get to communicate with these people on a daily basis as I still walk/chat a lot.

Alfred E. Newman. "What. Me Worry?"

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webmanco says on Jun 23, 2008, 07:26:

Elmo, if you were living in Colombia you would be given a visa elsewhere maybe to UK, Belgica or Swizerland, but since you are already (a third world mind) living in "safe abroad" then you are only given a free account to PBH, to vent out your sorrows

Still Colombia es Pasion, and Bogotá rules :-)

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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elmodefoque says on Jun 23, 2008, 07:46:

UK or Swizer que?
nojoda , antes de vivir ahi prefiero que me arranquen las chacaras en pura carne fria
them people en swizeVaina commit suicide by the thousands, don't even get me started with UK.
If not barranquilla, santa marta, cartagena, cabo san lucas, punta cana, miami and Manhattan, then give me death!!!!!!
thank you!

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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romy says on Jun 23, 2008, 07:49:

wow RCN... what's going on?

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elmodefoque says on Jun 23, 2008, 07:49:

web, nothing worst que un viejo amargao y odioso!!
i was called that the other day en curramba.

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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pedro says on Jun 23, 2008, 07:58:

Rubito will be along any minute... to tell us that family in the video eats whatever the f*** they want, whenever they want it.

que nota!

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toneloc24 says on Jun 23, 2008, 07:59:

LOL Pedro!!!

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

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Medellin Traveler says on Jun 23, 2008, 08:30:

pedro says, "Rubito will be along any minute... to tell us that family in the video eats whatever the f*** they want, whenever they want it."

You beat me to it!

He's living in Disneyland, Columbia, with a "U."

"Huevos Rancheros en Medellin, No Quiero Taco Bell." - www.medellintraveler.com

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morphus says on Jun 23, 2008, 08:35:

If Colombians had it their way, they would eat at Mcdonald's every day.

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dwmte7 says on Jun 23, 2008, 08:44:

the only thing that brings a semblance of balance to this wretched issue and the greed and 'don't give a damn' attitude towards the poor by the rich, is the incredible resilliance of the colombian 'real' people, who put up with the greed heads and keep smiling. they're the best. it's because of their plight/lot, that the insurgents came to be in the first place. viva colombia's finest...the people.

any colombian who takes offence at what i've said, should look in the mirror.

dwmte

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tasco66 says on Jun 23, 2008, 08:46:

“i'll be chop liver, i'll be just a greasy bloody spot on a side of a road near the airport in bogota", for posting a link of a Colombian National TV program on the PBH site?

Elmo, are you sure you’re not a bit paranoid?

Stop talking about it and post it, we promise not to tell anyone it was from you

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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tasco66 says on Jun 23, 2008, 08:50:

"'don't give a damn' attitude towards the poor by the rich,"

Thank god in America we don't think that way, our generous CEOs who make barely more than your average worker, donate all their back-dated stock options to the poor....

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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toneloc24 says on Jun 23, 2008, 08:55:

Tasco66 - Be careful. You do realize that the poorest earners in the USA are still in the top 5% earners in the world. So......let's keep the topic about Colombia.

Dwmte is pretty spot on when he states " the incredible resilliance of the colombian 'real' people, who put up with the greed heads and keep smiling. they're the best. it's because of their plight/lot, that the insurgents came to be in the first place."

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

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tomtom33 says on Jun 23, 2008, 08:56:

I can't speak for the entire US, and I don't know any CEOs. But people in the upper Midwest do not feel that way.

I do not know any rich people in Colombia.

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tasco66 says on Jun 23, 2008, 09:03:

“You do realize that the poorest earners in the USA are still in the top 5% earners in the world."

toneloc24, did you make this up or can you back it up from a reliable source (with up to date figures taking into account the fall of the US$ vs the rest of the currencies of the world)

And read my post again, I only stated that American CEOs are nothing like those greedy rich Colombians (I did not talk about the poor, like you seem to imply). So please if you respond to my posts, at least respond to something I have stated.

I don’t know what it is with PBH, but I always get comments on things I never said…

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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panthdave says on Jun 23, 2008, 10:11:

Well in Medellin my gringo ass has a Moto parked in my parking space and there is a Mercedes Benz parked right beside me from a Colombian who lives in the building...

panthdave Miami

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Jun 23, 2008, 10:25:

Tasco, If one were so inclined, this link would be a good place to start digging:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/...

Use "Ctrl F" to find the word "world" and you'll see global per capita purchasing power parity at around $10,000 USD.

If a person lacking skills in the U.S. can earn $7 to $10 an hour just for showing up at work, they're already close to double the world average. They're also eligible for a number of benefits and pay next to nothing for them.

I have no idea if Toneloc's 5% figure is correct, but if you take into account that a couple billion people survive on less than $2 USD per day, the statement that the poor in the US (and probably Western Europe, Japan, Australia and Canada) are better off than 85%, 90% or 95% of the rest of the world's population isn't too far-fetched.

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Saltador says on Jun 23, 2008, 10:27:

tasco,
I think the problem was you stated :"In America we don't think that way". That makes it sound much broader than CEO's in America.
Actually the USA and it's citizens are number one in the world when it comes to providing financial aid to others, this was explored in another thread where Sir Tertius got a severe beat down with the facts.
And the statistic I've heard is that if you earn 30,000 dollars a year or more, you are in the top 5% of the world.

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tasco66 says on Jun 23, 2008, 10:56:

I forgot to mention the generous banks and Wall Street financial firms who provided interest free mortgages and credit cards (no questions asked) by the thousands to poor Americans who did not qualify in the first place for any kind of loan…

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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tasco66 says on Jun 23, 2008, 10:56:

bump

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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tasco66 says on Jun 23, 2008, 12:09:

"Well in Medellin my gringo ass has a Moto parked in my parking space and there is a Mercedes Benz parked right beside me from a Colombian who lives in the building..."

Now that's a disgraceful example of Colombian greed...in America we all drive motos no matter how rich we are...

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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toneloc24 says on Jun 23, 2008, 12:34:

Tinto - I see you're a thinking man.

Doesn't take much common sense to come up with the 5% estimate, nor does it take much research. The annual minimum wage in the USA is approx. $15,000, or $1,300 monthly. That's not even the average annual US salary. Put that minimum wage up against China, India, Brasil, Indonesia, Pakistan, Banladesh, Nigeria, Russia, and Japan, and you'll see where I'm going with this. By the way, that's 50% of the world population right there.

According to the US Census Bureau, as of 2006, (2007's data hasn't been released yet), the US average annual household income was approx. $48k.

We got it much better financially here in the USA than MANY parts of the world. Squeezing a dollar just hasn't been our thing yet, which is why they say money doesn't translate to happiness.

Now, let's get back to Colombia.

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

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toneloc24 says on Jun 23, 2008, 12:34:

double post

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

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tasco66 says on Jun 23, 2008, 12:40:

"STANDARD OF LIVING WORLD STATS, the revealing measurement:

The U.S. ranks 4th in GDP, yet it is 92nd in distribution of wealth—UN measurement. In other words the top 5% live the best of all nations, and the bottom 25% live worse than in countries such as Greece. This disparity explains why the U.S. with the most expensive medical system is counted as 37th as to quality of care by the World Health Organization. "

http://skeptically.org/economics/id21.html

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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tasco66 says on Jun 23, 2008, 12:50:

Colombia should not follow the American way of life:

Inequality Has Run Amok. Do U.S. Leaders Care?

Posted August 22, 2007 | 01:15 AM (EST)
Breaking Politics News

By Dmitri Iglitzin and Steven Hill

When pets are poisoned by imported pet food or U.S. attorneys are fired under suspicious circumstances, Congress gears up hearings and vows quick action. A far greater scandal, however, has hardly gained the interest of legislators or the presidential candidates. That is the increasing wealth gap between the rich, the middle class and the poor, which is reaching alarming proportions.

The top 10 percent of income earners in the United States now owns 70 percent of the wealth, and the wealthiest one percent owns more than the bottom 95 percent, according to the Federal Reserve. In 2005, the top 300,000 Americans enjoyed about the same share of the nation's income -- 21.8 percent -- as the bottom 150 million.

New York is an especially bleak case study. The top fifth of earners in Manhattan now makes 52 times what the lowest fifth makes -- $365,826 annually compared with $7,047 -- roughly comparable to income disparity in Namibia.

Meanwhile, the ratio of average CEO-to-worker pay in the U.S. shot up from 301-to-1 to 431-to-1 in 2004. The average CEO now earns substantially more in one day than the average worker earns all year. Adding insult to injury, taxpayers actually give tax breaks to corporations for those salaries, to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars.

In a country founded on the principle that "all men are created equal," this stark and growing economic inequality has become a third rail of politics. Almost no one in political leadership touches it for fear of being accused of inciting class warfare.

But we've reached a point where the "land of equality" has become a very unequal place. Government has an important role to play in restoring another fine American value: fairness.

A small first step would be passing the Income Equity Act, denying corporations a tax deduction for excessive CEO salaries (defined as pay greater than 25 times the company's lowest full-time worker). They could still pay CEOs whatever they wished, but taxpayers would no longer subsidize it. That would create some downward pressure on executive income while saving taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars.

More substantive would be a fix to Social Security's dirty little secret of favoring the rich: Annual wage income above $94,200 is completely untaxed by Social Security. While an average worker pays 6.2 percent of her income to Social Security, a CEO earning $1 million pays only 1 percent of his salary. As is, only 83 percent of all wages are subject to Social Security taxes, so this would increase annual revenues by nearly 20 percent, or $100 billion a year, keeping Social Security solvent.

Other worthy proposals include increasing the minimum wage, providing child care for working parents, expanding health care and lowering college costs. But the most direct way to address inequality is to reimpose higher income tax rates. Current rates are extremely low, historically-speaking. Under President Dwight Eisenhower's Republican administration, the maximum marginal tax rate was 87 percent. The Reagan tax cut of 1981 dramatically lowered this to 50 percent, then again to 28 percent in 1986. Since then, no surprise, our nation has seen a steady rise in wealth disparity.

It is long past time for our political leaders to put aside the scandal du jour and take urgently needed action to slow if not reverse our nation's growing economic inequality.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-hill/inequality-has-run-amok-_b_6...

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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toneloc24 says on Jun 23, 2008, 13:12:

Dude - What is your point? And how does it relate to "Colombia, the disgraceful appalling truth?"

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

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tomtom33 says on Jun 23, 2008, 13:33:

Liars figure and figures lie. This class warfare baloney, at least as far as the US is concerned, is just that-baloney. An equal distribution of wealth is never going to happen, but a partial re-distribution is happening.

And I can come up with any screwy point of view and post articles and statistics to support that screwy point of view.

And, yeah, weren't we discussing Colombia? Find yourself a different forum.

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tasco66 says on Jun 23, 2008, 13:44:

What’s wrong with comparing Colombia to America?

Is this verboten now on PBH?

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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goin_south says on Jun 23, 2008, 13:52:

Careful Modefoqu..... you know how they go after the Unionists down there in CoffeeLandia

Ciao! Gustav.

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tomtom33 says on Jun 23, 2008, 14:00:

You are not comparing Colombia to the US. You are using this forum to bash the US. There are many forums dedicated to that end. Try Google.

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tasco66 says on Jun 23, 2008, 14:30:

Sorry sugar daddy, I forgot only Colombia bashing is allowed on PBH…

I mean why else come here?

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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tomtom33 says on Jun 23, 2008, 14:38:

You puts yer right hand on your right shoulder and yer left hand on yer left shoulder and pull.

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goin_south says on Jun 23, 2008, 22:36:

SI, rUBITO... where is Bill Gates, .... el filanthropista?

Ciao! Gustav.

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elmodefoque says on Jun 24, 2008, 02:49:

ok, ok, ok
i hate to bring this up in such a serious topic, but them average bogotanos look just like fokin ecuatorianos to me.
Listen i aint got nothing against injuns, i happen to like injuns, is just that we hardly have any walking around in barranquilla, maybe a handfull selling tinto and chit.
going back to this topic, i lived in an american injun reservation for 6 months and most of my best friends are NATIVE AMERICANS, but i have to be honest, a LOT of them modefoques are a bunch of mean drunks. we would sit around and wait for the welfare checks and food stamps to get wasted and have orgies. I screwed so many injun girls i lost count. from cheyenne in tulsa oklahoma all the way to chippewa in fokin canada.
colombian injuns don't get a dime from the government, they have to sell tinto and chicklets for 12 hours to make 10 mil pesos, big difference between uSA and colombian injuns

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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elmodefoque says on Jun 24, 2008, 03:12:

if i may let me give you my theory regarding my buddy rubito's love with all that is Bogota.
By the way, rubito is one the nicest, honest, caring modefoques you could ever meet.
Ok, here it is.
90% of bogotanos are like my boy wilber and his family (video above) INJUNS.
They see rubito as the coming of the fokin messiah. He towers over them little modefoques, so all these injun girls throw themselves at this english talking, american music playing gringo.
Most andean injuns feel little worth standing next to the people who conquered them, thus the reason, many gringos go to these andean cities in colombia, girls there are easy for them.
Most gringos in NON injun cities such as barranquilla are concidered plain ol huevones and if you can't dance or sing vallenato, grils don't wannna know from your fokin pasty ass.
honest injun
this is what our girls in curramba like
thank you


VALLENATO, VALLENATO AND MORE VALLENATO

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robi666 says on Jun 24, 2008, 04:30:

"Most gringos in NON injun cities such as barranquilla are concidered plain ol huevones and if you can't dance or sing vallenato, grils don't wannna know from your fokin pasty ass."

To add up to what Elmo is brilliantly trying to explain, here you have a video that clearly shows what happens when cachacos make an attempt to play Vallenato.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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elmodefoque says on Jun 24, 2008, 04:50:

cachacos are quite interesting
i could imagine rubito in the middle of a group of his bogotano friends begging him to say something in in english.
being the nice guy that he is, he says 'HELLO" they all go wild, jumping around and howlering, girls melt all around him and he's carried around the room like a rock star.
Please say another word in enlish. OK! he says.
once again the crowd goes bananas.
You see, in middle class bogota anything american is worshipped

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elmodefoque says on Jun 24, 2008, 04:56:

as for wilbert, the 423 mil al mes garbage man from bogota, he's got better things to do than to worship no fokin gringo, he;s got 12 fokin kids to feed with that fokin salary.

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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minina says on Jun 24, 2008, 04:58:

Como pirry una vez dijo:

En Colombia los pobres se quieren parecer a los gringos, y los ricos a los europeos...

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webmanco says on Jun 24, 2008, 05:25:

Cachacos, rolos do not have complaints with looks, because appearance and money don´t make better men.

On the other hand Elmo is dead wrong about Colombians 90% (including costeños) kissing foreigners behind. What he has done all his life. :-) and will remain doing so until the end.

Gracias

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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morphus says on Jun 24, 2008, 05:25:

"musicians have to scrounge under the table for less than minimum wage! Real great set of priorities up here"

Rubito, I know a guy that makes $1200 cash a week giving guitar lessons here in NYC. He's been doing it consistently for over 10 years.

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elmodefoque says on Jun 24, 2008, 05:34:

wed, i NEVER KISSED GRINGOS ASS, I USED TO WIPED THEIR ASS BUT NEVER KISSED IT JIJIJIJJIJJJJIJIJAJAJA
FOR NEARLY 30 YEARS I CLEANED THIER FOKIN TOILETS AND WHAT DO I GET, A LOUSY 25O THOUSAND DOLLARS

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webmanco says on Jun 24, 2008, 05:36:

You lived under Uncle Sam roof and rules, still do, that is about the same kissing uncle´s behind.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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elmodefoque says on Jun 24, 2008, 05:39:

hey, uncle sam happens to have a very nice white behind

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webmanco says on Jun 24, 2008, 05:40:

rounded, what can I said, you got to do whatever you got to do.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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elmodefoque says on Jun 24, 2008, 05:41:

is got a little hair coming outta the crack with a couple pink pimples

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morphus says on Jun 24, 2008, 05:58:

The US and Canada are definately great places to be poor. You can get free food and housing. There is enough money left over for flat screen TV, DVD player, alcohol and pot too.

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toneloc24 says on Jun 24, 2008, 08:19:

Hey Morph - I agree. It's also a great place to be rich too. You can fuck up the entire economy with bad decisions based on greed rather than logic, and the government will provide you with billions of $$$ in welfare to cover your losses too. LOL!!!

You gotta love this country, the good and the bad. As bad as it might seem right now, I think we all know we will bounce back. One way or another.

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

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morphus says on Jun 24, 2008, 08:20:

Elmo is a Costeno Injun. Costeno Injuns are generally taller than Andean Injuns. In the US, Costenos blend in more with Dominicans, Puerto Ricans and Cubans. Andean Injuns blend in with Mexicans, Ecuadorians and Salvadoran .

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morphus says on Jun 24, 2008, 08:28:

Thats true Tone! It all depends on one's goals. I've seen people content sitting in front of a TV getting high all day. It might be fun for a while but I would get the urge to go out and work after a while.

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toneloc24 says on Jun 24, 2008, 08:36:

Rubito - Not that this is a sound choice, but would you rather be piss poor in the USA or Colombia? Yeah, ok.

Maybe the RCN piece doesn't fit your warped version of Colombian reality, but I think most folks here with common sense would see it as fairly accurate and common situation throughout the country. Everyone doesn't live like this, but many do.

"Yeah, we really have it figured out here in America and up in Canada, we pay the goddamned garbagemen $30 an hour and musicians have to scrounge under the table for less than minimum wage! Real great set of priorities up here!"

So what, now you're only in it for the money??? Sounds like you made a bad choice. NY Sanitation is always hiring......LOL!!!

Reality check. I know this might sting your profession, but I'm pretty positive that the overwhelming majority of people would choose to pay a decent garbageman $30/hour over any musician 10x out of 10. Some would say, if you can't breathe the stench-filled or contract whatever disease due to trash-strewn streets, it wouldn't matter what song you're playing and how great it sounds.

Re: Wilbur and his 4 kids. You're gonna have to take that up with the church.

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

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elmodefoque says on Jun 24, 2008, 08:55:

i left colombia almost 60 years ago.
I've been going back since 1974, onece, twice and sometimes more than 3 times a year.
I've not seen much improvement for the very poor in colombia.
el barrio abajo, the black side still a hell hole.
el barrio abajo, the mulato side still a hell hole.
cienega on your way to santa marta still like i remember, a hell hole
cartagena the black population, still live in utter poverty
my injun people still sell their tinto, making slave salary until the end of time.

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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elmodefoque says on Jun 24, 2008, 08:55:

.maybe is their fault, maybe they enjoy being pooor

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elmodefoque says on Jun 24, 2008, 08:55:

.i was very poor in colombia, and let me tell ya if not for my father gettin us the fok outta there, good chance i'll be selling tinto too.

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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elmodefoque says on Jun 24, 2008, 08:56:

.thank you!

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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elmodefoque says on Jun 24, 2008, 09:05:

NOw i'm sitting here, trying to decide whether to eat chinnese, dominican, mexican, puerto rican, jamaican or plain ol hamburger from jimbos, and i don't even fokin work.
what i should really do is get my fat ass on my bike to do a little exercise instead of eating so much.


thanks dad

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webmanco says on Jun 24, 2008, 09:12:

Elmo

NOw i'm sitting here, trying to decide whether to eat chinnese, dominican, mexican, puerto rican, jamaican or plain ol hamburger from jimbos, and i don't even fokin work

I am in Bogota and I got same choices, but I stay with my lentil beans, alverjas, ajiaco, garbanzos, caldo de costilla, caldo de pajarilla, sancocho de pezcado, de gallina, sopa de Coli, cocido boyacense, arroz con coco, frijolada etc. and I do pay in good pesos Thanks Colombia

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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tasco66 says on Jun 24, 2008, 09:18:

The lefties would like him to get enough government aid so that he does not have to work anymore

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jun 24, 2008, 09:20:

Colombian version of FOOD STAMPS?
What's that? Never seen them....

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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elmodefoque says on Jun 24, 2008, 09:20:

i would not mind sopa de costilla, but we aint got no colombians around this parts

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Jun 24, 2008, 09:24:

I think Wilbur should have the ability to drink beer and listen to live music at least one night per week, and afterwards, find a restaurant open at 3 AM on a Wednesday morning that serves decent food.

With those things covered, life is pretty much nirvana.

;-)

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elmodefoque says on Jun 24, 2008, 09:27:

food stamps??????
chit, my mother in barraquilla could use fokin food stamps
rubi, where do we get these colombian food stamps?

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elmodefoque says on Jun 24, 2008, 09:30:

the only food stamp i remeber was asking for a napa.
or telling the owner to write that chit in the book cus i aint got no money, no food stamps and i'm fokin hungry

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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elmodefoque says on Jun 24, 2008, 09:34:

listen i was poor in nyc too.
what did we do after we drank our welfare and food stamps away?
we used to buy beer with foodstamp, them korean did not give a chit, they'll sell foking poison to kill yourself if you wanted
anyways, 'we sold our fokin blood at the red cross on 74th and amsterdam

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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toneloc24 says on Jun 24, 2008, 09:38:

See, another Rubito credibility check. Where are you getting this stuff from? Colombian food stamps???

Maybe they only exist within your group in BOGOTA, because no Colombian that I know has ever heard of them.

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

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elmodefoque says on Jun 24, 2008, 09:40:

i know colombian poor and usa poor,
usa poor is a LOT LOT LOT LOT LOT LOT LOT fokin better.
As soon as we got that check, we threw the best parties in the village.
we had pieces of reagan cheese spread out all over the apartment and joints for all to enjoy.
that was poor in nyc circa 1972

thank you

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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elmodefoque says on Jun 24, 2008, 09:44:

maybe uribe should follow the reagan cheese idea, give poor modefoque like wilbert a piece of fokin panela

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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elmodefoque says on Jun 24, 2008, 09:48:

give me a minute, i have to call my mother in barranquilla.
i gotta let her know about the colombian food stamps.
the other day she was complaing to me about not having enough to eat.
I says."what the fok you want me to do? i aint got no job! everyman for himself!

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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elmodefoque says on Jun 24, 2008, 09:55:

chit, if they were givien away food stamps in colombia, there would be 30 million fokin poor modefoque on that line.
the foking line is gonna start in la guajira all the way to fokin tolima or fokin pasto.
Not only that, we gonna have modefoques from peru, venzuela, argentian, ecuador, brazil, bolivia on that line too

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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tasco66 says on Jun 24, 2008, 09:56:

"But apparently people on here don't want their little balloon popped, they'd rather go around saying "oh, what a horribly run piss-poor useless country Colombia is"...

Rubito, you nailed this one. I could not have said it better...

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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elmodefoque says on Jun 24, 2008, 09:58:

colombia, a piss poor useless country? hell no!!!
we got fokin food stamps for the poor

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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elmodefoque says on Jun 24, 2008, 09:59:

i take everything bad, i ever said about my country.

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Jun 24, 2008, 10:01:

Reagan Cheese in 1972?

jaja

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elmodefoque says on Jun 24, 2008, 10:05:

politicians making 17 millones de pesos a month and poor wilbert busting his ass for 423 mil al mes, BUT HE GETS FOODSTAMPS.
COLOMBIA ROCKS!!!

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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elmodefoque says on Jun 24, 2008, 10:14:

PROBABLY? PROBABLY? PROBABLY????????
them modefoques should be thrown in fokin jail. 17 million fokin pesos a month
wilfbert gets to play with chit all day long from 3 in the morning for only 423 mil and you say PROBABLY
all kidding aside what i really feel bad about is poor wilbert having to jump in that cold fokin shower at 3 am
I rather fokin die

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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morphus says on Jun 24, 2008, 10:23:

Wilbert would'nt need food stamps if he were living in the US. He would most likely be working a job or two. Imagine the incentive he would have if he could earn in a day what he was earning in Colombia for a month.

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elmodefoque says on Jun 24, 2008, 10:26:

when i was 6 years old in barranquilla, i stopped taking showers so my brothers and friends started calling me cachaco.
i says 'why the fok you guys calling me cachaco?"
"cus you don't shower and you smell like fokin meao!" they said
Now i know why.
chit! if i was wilbert, the hell with taking a cold shower so early in the morning. I'll show up smelling like crap everyday
fok that!

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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elmodefoque says on Jun 24, 2008, 10:29:

do they have hot water in bogota?

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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morphus says on Jun 24, 2008, 10:30:

If there are food stamps in Colombia, they have nowhere the buying power as in the US. I was in the supermarket the other day and I saw a fat Mexican lady with her 4 kids buying up the whole store with her food stamp card. I saw big bottles of soda, pounds and pounds of meat and other rich foods. Beat that Colombia!

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morphus says on Jun 24, 2008, 10:34:

I took many cold showers in Colombia. You just put the water pressure on low and wash each body part one at a time.

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elmodefoque says on Jun 24, 2008, 10:37:

jajajaja i keep tellin you guys , don't knock it until you try it.
burritas are very sexy, you just don't see it

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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webmanco says on Jun 24, 2008, 12:07:

Elmo
You see, in middle class bogota anything american is worshipped

dead wrong

Now about food stamps in Colombia, at least in Bogota there are comedores comunitarios, lunch $300 pesos, plus transportation, pics later

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Jun 24, 2008, 12:15:

Those poor donkeys/burras. No one ever dates them, they just have sex with them.

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Cerealkiller says on Jun 24, 2008, 12:47:

I've seen comedores comunitarios. We had to go to one for a course, I wouldn't eat that stuff even if my life depended on it. It smells vile. But since I am not starving then that is irrelevant. That said, a lab studied that food and found traces of feces...
http://www.elespectador.com.co/noticias/bogota/articulo-estudio-revela...

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jun 24, 2008, 12:48:

Bur that's not food stamps.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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Cerealkiller says on Jun 24, 2008, 12:50:

I have never heard of food stamps Desi. I've heard of unemployment benefits for limited periods of time, but I believe that was never implemented and if it ever was, I am pretty sure it was very marginal.

Edit: I found out that bonos alimenticios are available through "subsidios de desempleo' a program run by Presidencia de la Republica. However, this is just part of unemployment benefits and it appears that only those who have lost their job recently are entitled to this type of thing. The sad bit is that getting the benefit takes time, and by the time the claim is processed many are no longer considered "recently unemployed".

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jun 24, 2008, 13:08:

Ok , so they do exist, even if it's a limited edition.

I was just wondering because I have friends in Cali who could use that service; these two women (my in-law's ex-maid and her daughter) are really struggling. They probably wouldn't qualify either because she (the daughter) does odd jobs like cleaning, nails (she's a manicurist), running errands for a company or selling breakfasts or lunches at some offices. Mum's past retirement age but with no pension. (My in-laws died before having completed her quotas). There's one child in that family too. She works really hard but does not make much over minimum salary.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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webmanco says on Jun 24, 2008, 13:19:

Mugre que engorda no mata.

Hopefully food gets better and couples bring less kids

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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durito says on Jun 24, 2008, 13:40:

Economists use the Gini Coefficient to measure income inequality (or wealth).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gini_coefficient

It´s basically a ratio between 0 and 1. With 0 indicating complete income equality (ie everyone in a country has the same income) and 1 indicating complete inquality (1 person makes all the income, everyone else makes none)

The Gini in the US has increased over the last 40 years, and is higher than most developed countires-- though it´s still below Colombia and much of Latin America -- which still has some of the highest rates of income inequality in the world.

The following is a UN list from 2007 comparing the richest 10% of a countries people´s income to the poorest 10%. I don´t know how accurate this is, and it´s missing a lot of Africa. But, south america, colombia especially is extemely unequal no matter how you look at it.

http://hdrstats.undp.org/indicators/145.html

Japan 4.5
Czech Republic 5.2
Bosnia and Herzegovina 5.4
Hungary 5.5
Finland 5.6
Slovenia 5.9
Ukraine 5.9
Norway 6.1
Sweden 6.2
Kyrgyzstan 6.4
Pakistan 6.5
Ethiopia 6.6
Slovakia 6.7
Austria 6.9
Germany 6.9
Belarus 6.9
Viet Nam 6.9
Bulgaria 7.0
Albania 7.2
Croatia 7.3
Romania 7.5
Bangladesh 7.5
Korea (Republic of) 7.8
Indonesia 7.8
Tajikistan 7.8
Armenia 8.0
Egypt 8.0
Denmark 8.1
Belgium 8.2
Moldova 8.2
Mongolia 8.2
Lao People's Democratic Republic 8.3
Kazakhstan 8.5
India 8.6
Yemen 8.6
Poland 8.8
Switzerland 9.0
France 9.1
Netherlands 9.2
Tanzania (United Republic of) 9.2
Canada 9.4
Ireland 9.4
Benin 9.4
Algeria 9.6
Azerbaijan 9.7
Greece 10.2
Spain 10.3
Lithuania 10.4
Guinea 10.5
Uzbekistan 10.6
Estonia 10.8
Malawi 10.9
Sri Lanka 11.1
Jordan 11.3
Italy 11.6
Latvia 11.6
Burkina Faso 11.6
Morocco 11.7
Mauritania 12.0
Cambodia 12.2
Turkmenistan 12.3
Senegal 12.3
Australia 12.5
New Zealand 12.5
Macedonia (TFYR) 12.5
Mali 12.5
Thailand 12.6
Russian Federation 12.7
Trinidad and Tobago 12.9
Israel 13.4
Tunisia 13.4
Kenya 13.6
United Kingdom 13.8
Ghana 14.1
Portugal 15.0
Georgia 15.4
Philippines 15.5
Nicaragua 15.5
Cameroon 15.7
Nepal 15.8
United States 15.9
Uganda 16.6
Côte d'Ivoire 16.6
Turkey 16.8
Iran (Islamic Republic of) 17.2
Jamaica 17.3
Singapore 17.7
Hong Kong, China (SAR) 17.8
Nigeria 17.8
Uruguay 17.9
Rwanda 18.6
Mozambique 18.8
Guinea-Bissau 19.0
Madagascar 19.2
Burundi 19.3
Gambia 20.2
China 21.6
Zimbabwe 22.0
Malaysia 22.1
Papua New Guinea 23.8
Mexico 24.6
Swaziland 25.1
Dominican Republic 28.5
Peru 30.4
Zambia 32.3
Chile 33.0
South Africa 33.1
Honduras 34.2
Costa Rica 37.8
Argentina 40.9
Botswana 43.0
Ecuador 44.9
Niger 46.0
Guatemala 48.2
Venezuela (Bolivarian Republic of) 48.3
Brazil 51.3
Panama 57.5
El Salvador 57.5
Colombia 63.8
Paraguay 65.4
Central African Republic 69.2
Haiti 71.7
Sierra Leone 87.2
Lesotho 105.0
Namibia 128.8
Bolivia 168.1

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Medellin Traveler says on Jun 24, 2008, 15:42:

After travelling outside of the USA and witnessing first hand how so many poor people around the world survive, I came to this simple conclusion on my very own, without the aid of statistics...........

"POOR PEOPLE IN THE USA HAVE NOTHING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT! THEY GOT IT GOOD, HERE IN AMERICA!"

"Huevos Rancheros en Medellin, No Quiero Taco Bell." - www.medellintraveler.com

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MaFe says on Jun 24, 2008, 16:23:

I love my Colombia, but it's good that they show reality...

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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carolva77 says on Jun 24, 2008, 17:14:

ese video me hizo sentir como una idiota que se queja por todo .... que nunca ha tenido que contar el dinero para comprar comida, bendito sea Dios :(

(de acuerdo con webmanco, tener 15 hijos no ayuda tampoco)

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Cerealkiller says on Jun 25, 2008, 01:16:

Desi in order to get subsidio de desempleo you need the following:
- Haber estado vinculado a una Caja de Compensación Familiar por lo menos un año, durante los tres últimos años
- Ser jefe cabeza de hogar con hijos menores de 18
- La persona debe comprobar que no ha podido encontrar empleo, a pesar de que lo ha buscado en forma activa.

Then you can choose:
Bono de alimentacion: Para usar en supermercados de cajas de compensacion (Cafam, Comfamiliar etc.)
Bono de educacion: Cubre matricula y pension. Si el monto es inferior al subsidio, la plata restante se da en alimentos.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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elmodefoque says on Jun 25, 2008, 03:52:

lets show the world how most colombians live
here it is
there is not enough money in the world to get me to live in bogota

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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elmodefoque says on Jun 25, 2008, 04:02:

Colombia has one of the most heartless, corrupt, govt in the planet.
Until not too long ago Bogota and most cachaco cities had GAMINES one of the most shameful display of indifference toward another human being, especially children.
It took the international community mostly USA to put a stop to this disgraceful indifference.
you don't want sex talk, you want the real colombia.
i;ll give you the real colombia
Should I continue??
hey modefoque, what are gamines?
if you don't dare walk around south bogota or cali or those hills in medellin , i'll show you pics, is safer that way

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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webmanco says on Jun 25, 2008, 04:28:

Elmo
It took the international community mostly USA to put a stop to this disgraceful indifference.


how? with DEA FBI Escuela de las América etc, or by taking Panama with the help of Colombia.

Don´t matter how catano you are Elmo it is never too late to be active in providing solutions, there is more to life than just sex, drugs alcohol and daily walks, join Uribistas, or paracos, or lefties or Escuela de las Americas, and stop trolling around. I do know about the reality of Colombia so do many foreigners but we got "mucha tela para cortar"

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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morphus says on Jun 25, 2008, 04:30:

Rubito, Colombian food is full of chemicals too. Thats how they get those fruits and vegetables to look so pretty.

"In Colombia the use of pesticides/fungicides is prevalent, widespread exposure is expected, and toxic effects from accidental exposure have been documented. It has been reported by Vargas and Vallejo (4) that organochloride insecticide residues in milk of humans and cows in certain areas of Colombia exceed regulatory limits. Increased risk of hemangioma is detected among children born to a population exposed occupationally to pesticides (5). Therefore, long-term health problems from environmental exposure to pesticides/fungicides may exist in Colombia. This problem should be identified from systematic scientific studies, and exposed workers are an appropriate group to conduct the study. Workers in Colombia who are exposed to hazardous pesticides under current conditions should be monitored using relevant biomarkers to provide early warning signals for potential health effects"

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mimimimimi says on Jun 25, 2008, 04:31:

wow, well I live in norway but im from colombia , Im here as a permanent resident and im perfecting the language before going to university, i work about 3 hours 2 times per week ,free on fridays and one day just 1.5 hours, i end up with an income of near 2000 usd just for working what i get per hour is about the same the manager ( I do clean his office) gets coz i pay less taxes than everyone, in colombia to work cleaning gives about the same salary than the guy in the video so it sucks but in here just about anyone can do it! i do work just for travelling because my husband takes care of everything else and i just pay for the superfluous stuff for example weekends in any part of europe and stuff, im going to greece and italy after this summer whihc is the time i can fully work coz im off school!

i Love it in here, the quality of life is excellent ,I been living in moscow for a year or so as well and also it required lots of money to live there but was good,they have improve a lot since soviet haha is modern and pretty capitalistic now .

in norway you pay looooooots of taxes, theres regulations for pretty much everything including high sky prices on alcohol and everything that can harm you7 give you fun....theres nothing to do here but im a serious ,not sad but not funny either person that likes rainy days and bad weather...so this is the place to be for me.

que viva NORWAY!!!!

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morphus says on Jun 25, 2008, 04:31:

Even the coca is grown with the aid of pesticides.

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elmodefoque says on Jun 25, 2008, 04:38:

i still have a pretty good memory and remember many things i saw and experienced.
anyways, i still have my family living in the worst part of barranquilla, so i have front seat.
I sit there with a cold beer in one hand and see how this people continue to struggle and haggle and foght over 200 pesos.

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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webmanco says on Jun 25, 2008, 04:42:

Elmo all these wasted time in NYC and did not hear,

ask what can I do for my country, not what my country can do for me, I forgot your priorities, USA, Venezuela and last Colombia.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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morphus says on Jun 25, 2008, 04:44:

Blame it on those rich/middle class Colombians with their Marylin Manson T-shirts and Spiderman movies.

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morphus says on Jun 25, 2008, 04:47:

The best thing we can do is kill ourselves so there will be less people in the world. If you are not going to do that then don't bother.

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mimimimimi says on Jun 25, 2008, 04:49:

well my memories of colombia are pretty good,my life there wasnt in poorness or anything ,my mother works for an university and receives a good salary and we were just me and her, we have a cabin to go on weekends downthere and it wasnt pretty dramatical, what was dramatical was to start a life far away from home first to go to study in russia and then have to work here and learning the language and all the stuff but one gets used to with time , i work with a goal and that keeps me motivated, Im actually bit scared of going back to colombia but for other reasons like extortions or kidnappings so I been avoiding coming back...i rather go to rome and relax there ,once im in colombia im paranoic and stuff cannot relax a t all ,one never knows what the hell will happen, besides mom comes now and then to visit me here...


BOGOTA CIUDAD DE VIOLENTOS- El Espectador/article

http://www.elespectador.com/impreso/tema-del-dia/articuloimpreso-bogot...

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webmanco says on Jun 25, 2008, 04:53:

Mimimimi

I been avoiding coming back...i rather go to rome and relax there ,once im in colombia im paranoic and stuff cannot relax a t all

A woman got to do what she got to do. But many leave Colombia and find death elsewhere, if you believe you will be safer away from "home" then good for you.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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elmodefoque says on Jun 25, 2008, 04:54:

what can i do for my country??
lets see
how about what has my country done for me??
most important, colombianas don't give me any loving unless i pay them BUT they see a gringo and down come the panties.
lets see
we have plenty of politicians makin 17 millones al mes, let them work for their fokin money and stop them form stealing so much.
my last trip I visited politicians homes, i saw how they Iive. My best buddy in curramba is an ex mayor, judges and lawyers, talk about corrupt modefoques
What did we talk about all the time, HOOKERS and how to invest MY money

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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webmanco says on Jun 25, 2008, 04:57:

Elmo, whatever happened to your Costeño movement, political party? not enough $$$


Mi a la 4

Colombia is dangerous, but most violent crimes are between parties on ilegal activities.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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elmodefoque says on Jun 25, 2008, 05:07:

I worry about my gringo buddies all the time.
of 3 gringos that i pesonally know liiving or visiting bogota, 2 have been burungadized.
them odds are not so nice.
ONe has been robbed 2 times not counting the burunganda incident and also witlnessed a couple murders, all in safe areas of bogota.
almost 70 years livining and visiting barranquilla the worst i saw was a drunk fighting a cop, mano a man and a loco getting dragged by an arroyo

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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morphus says on Jun 25, 2008, 05:14:

I'm staying out of Bogota. I don't want to get roofied.

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elmodefoque says on Jun 25, 2008, 05:17:

in barranquilla i have friends from all walks of life from the mondao (dirt poor) to rich crooked politicians.
In curramba i'm a man;s man, most enjoy my company, why?
i talk the talk and walk the walk
and what is that?
i talk about what most guys in curramba like to talk about HOOKERS

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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morphus says on Jun 25, 2008, 05:21:

Especially the Colombianos that spent time in the US. They learn to appreciate the hookers more when they return to Colombia.

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elmodefoque says on Jun 25, 2008, 05:23:

WEB now i remember
partido costeno contra la violencia cachaca
PCCLVC jijijij

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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elmodefoque says on Jun 25, 2008, 05:40:

once i get PCCLVC off the ground, we're heading straight to Bogota, our nations capital to put a stop to all tha violence and crime, don't hhey get tired of that chit already?
years and years with the same chit,enough!! can we all just get along please
i better get ready for my walk,
good nite all!

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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mimimimimi says on Jun 25, 2008, 05:46:

yeah well most colombianas will keep on avoiding you because of your hooker preferences, if you sy hooker i think in aids and disgusting thoughts ,later on all will be reflected on you , man hooker=digusting and pathetic..

Im a decent girl,focused on my house, my studies,my husband and all the stuff people is scared of, Im down to earth and i do believe in love..guess you laugh at the idea of love elmo, seems you only want one thing...

one speaks of love and the typical latin guy goes away scared , in that aspects norwegians are really cool ,my husband devotes me everyday of his life and loves me ,not to mention Im the one that makes most decisions here because he cares only for what makes me happy and he feels bad if im not feeling OK with something.

About gringos I dont know, guess only poor desperate colombianas are willing to do whatever guess because they still think all americans are rich , but if you got some culture and watch bbc on a daily basis like me, youll see how bad some americans got to struggle with the current economical situation,inflation, unemployment and all that ! of course average colombian poor class girl wont talk to you not even english wants only your money.

About me Im proud my life is the way it is ,in a little cute town ,deers,squirrels and birds all around ,forest and the fjord when i go to my balcony and a life centered on family and all the good values on should direct its life to and no im not old im 21 and my husband is 26 and currently we just focus in our future and developing he his company and me my career...

so please stop generalizing about colombianas, i got million of examples ,in my family for example my cousin lives in new york too independent working for NBC as a producer, my cousins are in london studying english and afterwards they will start their masters degrees and they come from cartagena...

and WEB the worst thing that happens to you here is if you crash into a moose or something...cannot compare murder rates from bogota to the ones in europe aint possible.

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morphus says on Jun 25, 2008, 05:47:

Heres another good video about poor Colombia: Reaching the World - Mission in Cartagena

LOL "Colombia is a beautiful country with beautiful people but they desperately need the Gospel"

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mimimimimi says on Jun 25, 2008, 05:56:

hahahahaha goddamn and once they went right back home ,puff!!! an eviction note ,your house worths 15% less haha americans, you should get the gosphel mission to your own guettos too!

the guettos here haha is asylum seekers those are the poorest persons ,people from afghanistan ,irak and pakistan..this is packed with them as long as they behave they can go around here, but since the prices here are appallingly high they barely can go through, norway the land when a kilo of meat costs 130 usd!! you cannot beat that hahaha

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webmanco says on Jun 25, 2008, 05:57: