Colombia kills 20 FARC rebels in air raid

tasco66 says on Jul 24, 2008, 04:53:

The Euro lefties are not going to like that

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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tejasmarcos says on Jul 24, 2008, 05:05:

go, go ejercito!

trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine...

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august says on Jul 24, 2008, 06:34:

Nice, killing more young Colombians with no options. That´s probably good for their families too.

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billyb says on Jul 24, 2008, 06:42:

I'm with ya august, I still can't believe the US executed that poor young man, Ted Bundy.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jul 24, 2008, 06:50:

Did you you just mark your own comment "funny"?

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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billyb says on Jul 24, 2008, 06:52:

Nope, must be somebody else here that is not the lowest common denominator. Try to get a grip of yourself desi, after all, you must display the dignity usually associated with a moderator.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jul 24, 2008, 06:55:

That was funny. But only because it was unintentional.

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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billyb says on Jul 24, 2008, 06:57:

you are trying too hard desi,which makes it kind of sad for you. remember you are a mod, and funny is not your strong suit.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jul 24, 2008, 06:59:

I think I'm just hilarious. That's something we share, you and me (Finding me hilarious)


But I've gotta go...

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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ConorC says on Jul 24, 2008, 07:27:

The lefties aren't just in Europe...

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quantum says on Jul 24, 2008, 07:50:

Hey, just being somewhat sympathetic to the left side perspective politically does not necessarily make one a FARC sympathizer. Im definately not and I kinda lean to the left on certain things, like being open minded and tolerant of people unlike myself for example. Jimmy Swaggart, Russ Limbaugh and Dick Cheney might be regarded as prime examples of the other side of the spectrum.....

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august says on Jul 24, 2008, 08:00:

I just thought that it´s been pretty well concluded

http://www.cipcol.org/

that encouraging demobilizations and deterring recruitment is much more effective against the FARC than dramatic displays of military power which take out a measly 20 soldiers.

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tasco66 says on Jul 24, 2008, 08:03:

august have you been reading the Colombian news of the past months?

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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august says on Jul 24, 2008, 08:10:

Indeed, I have - quite closely, in fact. Did you read the link though?

"During the 2002-2007 period, according to official statistics, 50,464 guerrillas were taken from the scene - killed captured and demobilized - but the guerrillas were reduced by only 8,101 members, passing from 20,600 to 12,499. That is, they were able to recruit double the number of members they originally had."

Don´t be shocked and awed. Military action has it´s role, but the non-explosive types of military activity (the hostage rescue which was so dear to your heart, tasco) as well as the upper level desmovilizaciones (Karina) have arguably been much more effective in demoralizing the FARC. A FARC solider here or there (or even 20) killed in a confrontation with the Colombian armed forces just isn´t going to be enough.

You gotta get over the "it´s us versus them" mentality tasco - that´s so FARC of you. They´re Colombians, just like the rest of the population, born of the same land. You really prefer to just continue killing Colombians to resolve the situation? Take the higher ground, my friend. Don´t stoop to the level of the FARC.

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tasco66 says on Jul 24, 2008, 08:20:

Yep, but I am talking 2008. The Farc has lost most of its most important leaders, suffered major loses, humiliations and defections. Even Chavez turned his back on them after the revelations of the Reyes computer.

The Farc today is on the run thanks to the tough policies of Uribe

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Jul 24, 2008, 08:30:

Assuming it's not exaggerated, I think 20 is a pretty good number, and will have some effect on morale.

- Your friendly armchair military analyst, Cabo Tercero Tinto

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august says on Jul 24, 2008, 08:36:

Tasco, I agree that all of those setbacks had an important effect on moral, but I´m just claiming that the defections and Chavez´s rejection of their armed struggle have had a larger effect than the the Colombian government´s strategies of violence.

Whatsmore, it is clear that Uribe has been ineffective in stemming the recruitment of young people to the FARC ranks, which begs all kinds of questions in my opinion.

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tasco66 says on Jul 24, 2008, 08:41:

The defections and Chavez´s rejection of their armed struggle is the direct result the successful military operations of the Colombia Government

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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tasco66 says on Jul 24, 2008, 08:41:

The defections and Chavez´s rejection of their armed struggle is the direct result the successful military operations of the Colombia Government

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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august says on Jul 24, 2008, 08:55:

Actually Chavez´s rejection came just after a shipment of AK-47 cartridges were intercepted by the Colombian authorities near the Venezuelan border, supposedly on its way to the FARC. Reyes´ computer may have started the allegations, but Chavez moved only when the cartridges were being traced back to him. Remember, you were following the news right?

As for the defections, I agree the potential of being killed by the army is part of the incentive but the Colombian government also has official programs to offer demobilized soldiers stipends as well as employment and education assistance.

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Jul 24, 2008, 08:56:

I think Chavez's "reversal" is better described as being cornered and saying the right thing to get out of it. Given his temperament and past actions, I would not be surprised if he changes his position once again.

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billyb says on Jul 24, 2008, 11:10:

" I would not be surprised if he changes his position once again"

Tinto, i think we can count on that being a given.

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turnmeon says on Jul 24, 2008, 15:10:

the big majority of the desmovilized escaped during an army raid to their camp, that is the only chance they have to escape, otherwise they will be killed by their comanders, saying that the colombian army should stop attacking the rebels is like saying the NYPD should stop going after the bad guys and instead wait for them to become good, that just make no sense, the farc are the bad guys here, not the army

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lanegrapaisa says on Jul 24, 2008, 15:20:

These air strikes aren't really my cup of tea, I prefer quality over quantity in this case.

oh that cement is just, it's there for the weight, dear

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Rikito says on Jul 25, 2008, 05:35:

lanegrapaisa. I assume that you have a lot of experience in this type of conflict? Or Not! Air strikes are more accurate, saves more lives, cost less money, involves less people, and provides for much greater results than a conventional ground assualt.

I suggest that you become more careful about making foolish lassie-fare comments like this. This is what the French do and it always ends in failure for the French.

It is not life that matters, but the journey.

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hongo_joe says on Jul 25, 2008, 07:16:

"I suggest that you become more careful about making foolish lassie-fare comments like this. This is what the French do and it always ends in failure for the French."

That's a keeper!

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Jul 25, 2008, 07:19:

If you're going to poke fun at the French, you should spell laissez-faire correctly. Or are you talking about dog food (lassie-fare)?

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lanegrapaisa says on Jul 25, 2008, 07:20:

Rikito: Since when is having experience on a subject a requirement to give your opinion in this forum? I've seen comments here that make me cringe, form people who must have had to remove their pants to let their asses do the talking.
So as far as I'm concern I can say what I please and if that makes me a frenchie in your eyes, so be it, comprenez-vous ?

oh that cement is just, it's there for the weight, dear

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august says on Jul 25, 2008, 07:55:

Rikito is right. Drop more bombs, kill your way to peace. Uribe and Rikito should probably drop some on France while their at it, at least on the economic anti-interventionists.

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Rikito says on Jul 25, 2008, 07:59:

Having an opinion is your right, but making inaccurate or foolsih comments about something you know nothing opens you for criticisim. There are a lot of posts in hat I do not ake comments on becasue I do not know anything valuable or useful to make a contribution.

It is not life that matters, but the journey.

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august says on Jul 25, 2008, 08:28:

Rikito, impressive as always. Taking the "you miserable people just don´t know nothing route" as usual. Previous examples?

"You have never been to Colombia and obviously do not know much about Caracol or any thing else about what is happening here."

"I don't know who or what is going on with the N.J. Masters program, but if you are learning all of your opinions through this program someone is taking your money and not giving you anything in return."

You still haven´t answered my questions raised days ago about your esteemed credentials in offering your hallowed opinions:

"What does Rikito do anyways? How is he an expert? And if he is an expert, why hasn´t he solved the puzzle and brought peace to Colombia?"

Please respond so us relatively ignorant types can recognize and stop trying to comment on things we know nothing about.

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MaFe says on Jul 25, 2008, 08:37:

billyb says on Jul 24, 2008, 06:52: flag

Nope, must be somebody else here that is not the lowest common denominator. Try to get a grip of yourself desi, after all, you must display the dignity usually associated with a moderator.


Billy..

Great news...que se mueran todos!!

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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Albatross says on Jul 25, 2008, 09:25:

Many praise the virtues of limited goverment intervention and hands-off economics known as "Lassie-Fare".

But I think far too little has been said of the lesser known (but equally tasty) "Kibbles 'n Bits" economic theory.

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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billyb says on Jul 25, 2008, 09:46:

I prefer the Beggin-Strips theory myself.

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august says on Jul 25, 2008, 12:07:

Furthermore, Rikito, just because someone is critical of using military solutions to solve what they see as social problems does not make them a supporter of laissez-faire philosophies. You might read up on your necessary and sufficient conditions

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necessary_and_sufficient_conditions

if we´re to start dropping text book terms here.

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Rikito says on Jul 26, 2008, 06:19:

Ahhh, another 'intellectual' newbie who obviously recieved his education from the infamous wikipedia web site. Mea culpa, mea culps, mea maxima culpa. If you do not know what this means you can go to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mea_culpa for the last word.

It is not life that matters, but the journey.

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