Colombia Rated No 4 on Lonely Planets Medical Tourism List

bickerss says on Nov 11, 2009, 06:34:

http://travel.ninemsn.com.au/world/969694/lonely-planets-top-spots-for...

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Francijoe says on Nov 11, 2009, 06:58:

I got my eyes fixed for $750..and I can see great....never thought that would be possible....

Hey cant we all get along.....

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Francijoe says on Nov 11, 2009, 07:06:

Also I got my teeth fixed here too. It cost to much in the USA. Wonder why so many people have bad teeth in the states......

Hey cant we all get along.....

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Noelito40 says on Nov 11, 2009, 08:03:

Haveing experienced the Irish system all my life and the Colombia system for the past couple of years I can tell you that the Colombian medical and dental system (even the EPS) is light years ahead of the Irish system. When I talk to people back home and tell them that I can phone today for a medical/dental appointment tomorrow they simply don't believe me!! Hats off the Colombian medical system!!

Noelito

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aztec says on Nov 11, 2009, 08:20:

It is racism! GregYohn

That statement seems a little over the top for me. I can think of many reasons people in the States might doubt you but racism has to be way down on the list of reasons.

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Francijoe says on Nov 11, 2009, 08:22:

Well I got my braces off, teeth pulled and filled in here in Cali. All in the same office by the same person. A dentist the USA would have not even touched my braces at all. Thank god for the dentist, she was great. When I was in the USA I had to have my wisdom teeth pulled. $2500 for that. Thats crazy..... $800 for all my work here In Cali and I had alot of work done.....

Hey cant we all get along.....

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bickerss says on Nov 11, 2009, 08:23:

Hardly would call that racism - lack of knowledge about the rest of the world perhaps.

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Juepaje says on Nov 11, 2009, 08:30:

My father was given 6 months to live by US doctors. He, without any treatment, has been here 8 years now and his health is fine. They took 20 samples of his prostate in the US and 18 came back positive. He was given a blood test here and they said he had no cancer. How many X-Rays have you had by a dentist in Colombia? I have never had one and in the US it is the first thing that they do. I receive much better medical care here than I ever did in the US and my father is an MD.

“If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can’t it get us out?”-Will Rogers

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ColombiaBoard says on Nov 11, 2009, 10:38:

"Crack doctors" ???

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Simon says on Nov 11, 2009, 11:24:

You're absolutely right Greg, it is racism!!!

I remember telling a co-worker about how I got LASIK surgery in Colombia and how it was invented there. He still asked me about the quality of the doctors, if they were educated in the US, etc. I asked him why would they need to come to the US to be educated when LASIK was invented in Colombia in the first place?

Also, when my US optomologist saw the work they did on my eyes, he was marvelled by the job they did! But then he had to blow it by asking me if they gave me cocaine to calm the pain!

FOK those redneck, racist motherfockers!!!!

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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kramer says on Nov 11, 2009, 11:32:

That is a horribly researched Lonely Planet article, to the point of being ridiculous. That being said, if you speak Spanish, I would rate Colombia highly.

But a destination like Bangkok simply has much more to offer as they are in the business of catering to foreigners, and in English, and they get far and away more medical tourism visitors than Colombia. I think in 2007 there were 58000 American visitors to Bumrungrad hospital alone.. There are a couple of Manila hospitals I would rate very highly for this type of work, also, which truly have state of the art equipment and a focus on helping foreigners in English.

If you can get to India and the Apollo hospitals, especially for work they specialize in (like hip replacement), that is a good alternative.

Kramer

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jimbo67856 says on Nov 11, 2009, 11:54:

"People in the USA can not believe that there are people in a Spanish speaking country that can be equal or better than in the USA"

BS. Greg, some might think that but it's absolutely not true that most do. Most Americans don't view any other country (except perhaps France) as "inferior." We get labeled for the few loud morons (which every country has) but we don't all think that way.

For someone talking of "racism" methinks you might not want to label my entire country with such a broad brush. You might know some rednecks who're stunned at Colombia's quality of care, but that you know rednecks doesn't make us all hillbillies. It just means you know rednecks.

Errors of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it. ---- Thomas Jefferson

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kramer says on Nov 11, 2009, 12:03:

Llike I said, I would only go to certain hospitals in the Philippines that cater to foreigners and have top notch equipment (St. Lukes, Makati). There is a world of difference among hospitals and medical care providers in the Philippines.

The author of the original article had no clue, just spent a few minutes googling.

Kramer

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kramer says on Nov 11, 2009, 12:07:

Yes, on racism, the USA is possibly the least racist place I have ever seen. Almost amazingly so. They are also among the best, most sensitive travelers to cultural differences. I didn't realize this until I got out and traveled extensively.

Kramer

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Sam Salmon says on Nov 11, 2009, 12:21:

"That is a horribly researched Lonely Planet article, to the point of being ridiculous"
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Most of them are-LP is much of a joke these days-has been for a while now.

' a la orden!'

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FreakyG says on Nov 11, 2009, 12:31:

Racism and ignorance are two different things guys.
GregYohn:
People in the USA can not believe that there are people in a Spanish speaking country that can be equal or better than in the USA! They say, you've got to be kidding! Go to Colombia to get good dental care? HA! What do they know there?

I have to ask you where do you base this assumption of what people in the USA think? Lived here for 41 years and have a huge circle of friends and I cannot tell you what all of them think. But for you to come on here and spew that crap is just funny because it shows you are just blowing hot air and you really dont have a point. Honestly, you will find great and horrible doctors in both countries. For a person in the states to be surprised that lasik surgery was invented in Bogota does not indicate the person is racist but rather uninformed. Your statement of what people in USA think is pretty racist in itself.
Simon, your co-worker sounds like a moron and probably doesn't represent what the majority of people in the states think.

GregYohn: They consider people that get educated in Spanish or other languages are not intelligent. You could see this how Soviet era nuclear Engineers could come to the USA and be treated as idiots here, so they got jobs as janitors, instead of using their professional skills.

I am so amazed at your insight of what you apparently don't know. Ever heard of Werner VonBraun? He was the rocket scientist who came from GERMANY to the states and was instrumental in the development of our space program. Please show me any document that supports the USA's ill treatment of the Soviet nuclear engineers. Those guys worked hand in hand with our own and were treated as equals and the USA was on the cutting edge of nuclear engineering at the time. Right now, the Soviet Nuclear engineers are leading the nuclear space race where chemical propulsion will soon be a thing of the past. Greg, why do you think people here buy German and Japanese cars? I am sure it is because we feel they are inferior and must produce an inferior product when compared to our own crap we produce.

Simon, I hear your anger -some people just don't get it. I will say this: I fokking HATE cocaine, never cared for it or understood the appeal of it. I cannot say the same for my Colombian ex unfortunately and I railed her to no end when I found out that she did that crap -just stupid in my opinion.

Thank You Eversomuch, and then some

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jimbo67856 says on Nov 11, 2009, 12:42:

Again, Greg, people YOU know don't define America; that you know some morons doesn't mean we're all like that. There are a few bad apples in every country. But unlike you I don't define an entire country based on the worst of them/us. I suppose you also think all Mexicans are in the Sinaloa cartel, eh sport? All Irish have red hair?

How many Americans refused to hire or sell their homes to Blacks or Spanish people? Recently? None. We're in a recession, genius. Anyone would sell their home to anyone with money, big guy. Green is the important color. Something you'd know if (a) you could extricate your head from your ass; and (b) understood economics. I just sold my rental property to - get this! - a Puerto Rican! Ay Dios mio!!!! Y si, nuestra transaccion fue conducida en Espanol!!! And I'm both American and white. Shocking stuff, I know.

Oh wait, you're referring to stuff that happened in my country some 60 years ago. Cute. I mean that certainly applies to today, doesn't it? You know, mistakes can never be corrected and such. Good logic.

What do I think of Americans who don't learn Spanish for a one week vacation? Not much. It's a vacation. If they moved there and didn't speak the language that'd be different. But we're talking about vacation. Do people always learn an entire language for a one week vacation, Greg? Really? So every person in the US speaks English, do they? Say, every Mexican that comes here learns the language first? You've been to LA, have you? Ever tried to have a conversation in East LA in English, Greg? Doesn't work so well, does it? Are they "racist" for not learning my language? Don't just limit your criticism to my country. Let's apply your blighted logic wherever it applies.

Ever heard the phrase "dim bulb," Greg?

Errors of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it. ---- Thomas Jefferson

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FreakyG says on Nov 11, 2009, 12:45:

GregYohn:

How many of your Americans refused to hire or sell their homes to Blacks or Spanish people? There were laws that made it illegal, but it did not stop the practices.

Please get some education before spouting this crap. I challenge you to support the above comment and I find it amazing that you would post such rubbish. This one is up there with the poster that stated there were whites only signs in the southeastern US in this day and age. If what you said was true, there would be lawsuits to the point that this would be huge news in this country. Those are isolated events and dont represent the majority. Lets say you are black and a company wouldnt hire you based on your color. You would have tons of lawyers lining up to take that case on contingency knowing they would win the case hands down. Equal opportunity is a big deal to employers because they know without a doubt, they would get their a$$ sued off period. Oh and by the way, your little one in your avatar is cute at a button, congrats!!

Thank You Eversomuch, and then some

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theflatline says on Nov 11, 2009, 12:53:

Simon,

Cocaine is a well known topical anesthetic that some countries use for optical surgery, that is what he meant. He was not being a racist, you were being misinformed, and being racist by calling him a redneck.

Greg,

You cannot speak spanish, and please stop calling people Gringo when you are one. Stop defending the brown man, we can do that just fine for ourselves. You are the last person we want representing us.

Legaleez for Complete Morons - A book for gringos in Colombia for who think they understand the nature of the law in a country where they cannot speak the language.

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FreakyG says on Nov 11, 2009, 12:58:

GY: Being uniformed IS the cause of their racism!

No it isn't -it is the cause of their ignorance. Racism is based in hate of all that is different from you.

GY: Making Cali Cartel statements is OLD news and those Americans are ill informed and therefore racist when they think they will get kidnapped once to get to Colombia for dental or medical work!

My ex's brother was kidnapped 2 years ago and he is from Colombia so dont act like it doesnt happen and dude is very street smart.

GY: Even today, People from Iraq that were professionals there are not able to be do their own profession here.

Like in any profession, you have to have credentials such as the proper degree, certifications, etc and there are differences in the standards either country holds the professional to.

GY: Could it be that Christian Americans just will not hire Muslim people?

Absolutely not because you dont have to disclose any religious affiliation when trying to get a job. The very fact that there are companies in Colombia that require the applicant to provide a picture of themselves holds Colombia back from being what it should be. So all the attractive people get the jobs but the educated ones that are better prepared for the job dont get it because they dont have big ta-tas -just ridiculous.

Thank You Eversomuch, and then some

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jimbo67856 says on Nov 11, 2009, 13:11:

Greg, again, you're painting my entire country based on the actions of a few a-holes. Is there racism in the US? Unfortunately yes, just like there's racism in every country (sadly). But I don't judge an entire people based on their worst representatives. I guess you do. That's your right, I guess, but because it's your right doesn't make it right.

Errors of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it. ---- Thomas Jefferson

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miamimike says on Nov 11, 2009, 15:29:

If Colombia ever gets its Security & Transparency in Banking Shortcomings worked out, they will really move up the List as a Medical Tourism Destination as far as Dental, Optical & Plastic Surgery procedures. I think it will be a while for you see patients flocking there for CABG and various other Cardiac procedures, Orthopedic Procedures such as Hip replacement, Neuro surgery ect.

A Big reason India is high up on the list for Medical Tourism is there are a few Highly rated Hospitals there that either have received US JCOH or or working on receiving it. Once they have this JCOH Stamp of approval, many US based Insurance companies will pay for operations performed there. In Latin America, last I read there where only two countries working on JCOH approval and that was Brazil & Mexico.

"You can take the Banana Out of the Republic but you Cannot take the Republic Out Of The Banana"

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Simon says on Nov 11, 2009, 16:09:

''Cocaine is a well known topical anesthetic that some countries use for optical surgery, that is what he meant''

Flatline,

Don't be a fool. I know damn well what he meant, I was there, you weren't! He said it in a smartass tone, trying to be funny. That just cost him my business because needless to say, I won't be going back there ever again.

And quit defending those who offend Colombia, it makes you look like the 'white man's dog'!

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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raymundo says on Nov 11, 2009, 16:12:

I have a urologist/sexologist who has offices in both Bogota and Cali and is on the Certified Board of Urologists. . He is fabulous and studied new concepts and procedures In Miami.

I'm still using a dentist in Cali who is both a Odontoligist and a implantolgisit. He made a large bridge for me 7 years ago when my gum's were infected. He did the entire bridge, filled 2 large cavities and teeth cleaning in approximately 4 hours of work. It cost me only $700.00 for evertyhing! He has a condo in South Florida but laughs' about U.S. dentist's who waste valuable time on x-ray's which are totally unnecessary. He has wonderful hands and I've never felt any pain whatsover. He display's the entire mouth on an LCD screen directly in front of you to show you what needs to be done. I also have 2 gold fillings from the Phillippines from 20 years ago and I've never had a problem with either of them.

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lampltr says on Nov 11, 2009, 16:37:

Sam Salmon; you are much correct.....Best ratings in many catagories is the yearly International Living Global Index (Easy to look up). Very fair assessments there indeed.

Bickerss, good posting and is good to look at all postings to get a good assessment from different sources, thanks.

Ex:
Health (10%). In this category, we look at calorie consumption as a percentage of daily requirements, the number of people per doctor, the number of hospital beds per 1,000 people, the percentage of the population with access to safe water, the infant mortality rate, life expectancy, and public health expenditure as a percentage of a country’s GDP. And Lonely Planet?

http://www.il-ireland.com/il/qofl2009/

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Simon says on Nov 11, 2009, 16:51:

GregYohn,

I know exactly what your wife is talking about! It really is hard meeting any quality Colombians around here. First, you get the sell-outs who don't want anything to do with Colombia and sometimes even pretend they don't speak Spanish anymore, even when they're speaking to you in awful, broken English. Then there's the 'chusma' (riff-raff) who only know how to make all Colombians look bad, many partaking in illegal activities. I also tend to be very careful about the Colombians I associate with around here.

Flatline is half white, so sometimes that side gets the better of him and looks down on his Colombian half.

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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theflatline says on Nov 11, 2009, 19:26:

Simon,

You never answer me about your libreta militar question and spending a day getting poked and prodded for it., and since my mothers side is spanish and italian I do not know where you get the half white from. I have spent 3 decades on and off in the country, have you?

What you and Greg need to do is stop insulting the country that pays and protects you.

There is no doubt we could get a long, but I do not sugar coat Colombia are the US, I call a spade a spade, and will point out lo bueno and lo malo of both places.

Greg,

No one has ever questioned me in the states about anything in Colombia, I guess you hang out with the wrong kind of people.

I have plently of Colombian friends in the states who do not look down on people in Colombia, the only people who do that are usually low class. Sorry that is who you seem to know. And I am sorry for your wife who has never been to the States for prejudging, she seems to be as misinformed as you are.

Greg, I am sorry the Philly is such a racist place, with white people not selling to black people, but I doubt you really have hung out with any black people, or any white people for that matter. Or anyone.

You hate your in laws one minute, and you love them the next, you change your mind like the weather in Manizales.


I am a nice and equitable guy but you really have the maturity level of a 13 year old.

Legaleez for Complete Morons - A book for gringos in Colombia for who think they understand the nature of the law in a country where they cannot speak the language.

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billyb says on Nov 11, 2009, 19:40:

Over the years I have taken close to a dozen friends to Colombia and, to a person, they say they had the best trip of their lives there. At least in this little corner of the world, Colombia has a wonderful reputation, but as with flat's experience, these people are for the most part cultured and educated, not ignorant chusma, as Greg's acquaintances appear to be.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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Simon says on Nov 11, 2009, 20:29:

''You never answer me about your libreta militar question and spending a day getting poked and prodded for it.,''

Flatline,

Your little ''I served in the military"schtick is getting old. Did Obama serve? Did Clinton? Does that make them any less (US)American?

''I have spent 3 decades on and off in the country, have you?''

Absolutely!


''What you and Greg need to do is stop insulting the country that pays and protects you.''

Where the hell did I insult the US? I mentioned real life examples of people I've met here in the US disparaging Colombia. 99.9999% of Colombians who live in the USA also have these types of disrespectful comments. Most (US)Americans have a very prejudiced and ignorant view of Colombia....that is a fact! Just check out what the (US)American guy says about the image he had of Colombia and how he feels now after visiting the country:

http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/-show-this-video-to-your-friends...

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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jimbo67856 says on Nov 11, 2009, 22:29:

Greg, Bush's handling (or not) of Katrina was one of the main reasons his popularity tanked so dramatically. The reason for that is b/c most Americans aren't racists as you're implying and were offended by Bush's inaction. So while I can't stand Bush I don't think he's a racist, just an idiot. And since idiots tend to do idiotic things, he mishandled Katrina. His Secretary of State and National Security Adviser were both black, his attorney was Mexican, etc. Racists don't usually appoint minorities to high-level posts.

But the point is that you're indicting America as racist, yet it was America's anti-racist sympathies which cost Bush his popularity - and to some extent I'm sure it cost the Republican Party some votes. Celebrities like Brad Pitt, Mike Meyers, Matt Damon, and other WHITES are doing tremendous charity work for the city, and people of all races are working together (now that Bush is gone) to rebuild the city. In other words, Greg, you're all wet.

Errors of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it. ---- Thomas Jefferson

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theflatline says on Nov 12, 2009, 04:50:

Greg,

You are a cracker. Please stop saying Afro Colombians. That is like saying some of my best friends are black. Colombians are just Colombians no matter what color. Until YOU see people as just people without seeing the color of their skin, then you are truly racist.

Fortunately, I am from New Orleans, imagine that. Katrina was a tragedy, but ultimately the government screwed up the levies years before the hurricane. Plus, it was the governor who screwed the pooch in that instance, and the feds had to clean it up. Plus I have no sympathy for the people who stayed to loot. Magically my entire family left the state three days before the storm.

Plus, New Orleans has always had a high amount of mintorities. Especially black. New Orleans also has one of the first batch of Italians dropped in it. 200k sicilians. Plus Irish, German, Cuban, Spanish, and French. My city has always been poor, but the people are generally happy.


Simon,

Unfortunately most Colombians who go to the states tend to put on airs, and this is too the quality of their upbringing. Our country needs to leave the aititude behind that if you have a little more than someone else you are better. Good parents teach humility to their children no matter what the social strata. They do not teach them there are differences because of skin color and what street they live on.

Legaleez for Complete Morons - A book for gringos in Colombia for who think they understand the nature of the law in a country where they cannot speak the language.

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miamimike says on Nov 12, 2009, 04:54:

Remember Bush telling Brownie that he was doing one hellava job running FEMA's operation in New Orleans?

Bush, sure got it right!
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jimbo67856 says on Nov 11, 2009, 22:29: flag

Greg, Bush's handling (or not) of Katrina was one of the main reasons his popularity tanked so dramatically. The reason for that is b/c most Americans aren't racists as you're implying and were offended by Bush's inaction. So while I can't stand Bush I don't think he's a racist, just an idiot. And since idiots tend to do idiotic things, he mishandled Katrina
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Gentlemen--Puleeeezzz--I will not stand by while the Two of You insult my Avatar Icon, saying he's an Idiot, dumb ect. If you keep this rhetoric up with my Avatar, you will incur my wrath and will be dealt with accordingly! No Mas Por Favor !

"You can take the Banana Out of the Republic but you Cannot take the Republic Out Of The Banana"

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theflatline says on Nov 12, 2009, 05:07:

Brians,

Me too, I am done arguing with that cracker.

Legaleez for Complete Morons - A book for gringos in Colombia for who think they understand the nature of the law in a country where they cannot speak the language.

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jimbo67856 says on Nov 12, 2009, 07:58:

Mike, I sincerely apologize for making fun of the mentally challenged. Don't ever forget this pearl of wisdom, though: "Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?" :P

Brians, I accept your thanks but fear I might've violated that old logical precept, something to do w/ not arguing w/ "certain folks" lest they drag you down to their level and beat you w/ experience. :-)

Errors of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it. ---- Thomas Jefferson

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miamimike says on Nov 12, 2009, 08:10:

Jimbo--Thank you and I accept your Apology concerning my Avatar.

"You can take the Banana Out of the Republic but you Cannot take the Republic Out Of The Banana"

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jimbo67856 says on Nov 12, 2009, 08:13:

Mike, you got it bro. Last thing I'd want is a Bush supporter angry w/ me lest he punch my neighbor in the nose. :-))))

Errors of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it. ---- Thomas Jefferson

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Rocco81 says on Nov 12, 2009, 08:32:

Really a slow one at times that Greg.

Back to the situation at hand. Things like dental work you can get done in many many places. Its not that hard. We have our Special Forces medics giving Iraqi kids dental care and they do a pretty damn good job, given the alternative these kids have a REAL good job.

Comparing hip replacements, and other more severe surgeries, is a completely different thing. You really need to look at the fatality rate of some of these countries during surgery. If you get a tooth yanked out, you can always get a fake one with little to no severe consequences...a hip, a liver, some bone marrow, that is a little different.

Sic semper tyrannis

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Rocco81 says on Nov 12, 2009, 08:35:

Rocco and Flatline Vs. Greg and Simon....I'm ready for em Norman!!!!

I'm putting Greg in the Camel clutch....For an Hour

Sic semper tyrannis

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FreakyG says on Nov 12, 2009, 08:39:

Rocco81, no man, not the camel clutch dude........................noooooooooo!!

Thank You Eversomuch, and then some

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jimbo67856 says on Nov 12, 2009, 08:43:

"GY versus the world."

It's really just the former versus logic, isn't it?

Errors of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it. ---- Thomas Jefferson

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Rocco81 says on Nov 12, 2009, 09:18:

GY > Than God

Sic semper tyrannis

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Rocco81 says on Nov 12, 2009, 09:20:

Freaky G the Ole Camel Clutch is maawney . I saw this bully put a kid in the camel clutch for real in a fight in High School...that shit was funny haha

PS - MC Rocco and DJ Flatline are not only cool as fuck, we'll break your hip.

Sic semper tyrannis

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miamimike says on Nov 12, 2009, 09:44:

Jimbo, on the GW Bush(defense of) you clearly are a Stand-Up-Guy.

PS Be careful on what Col Dental Labs your Dentist is using in Bogota for your Crowns , sometimes they(unnscruplous labs) will swap your Dental Gold for a less then precious cheaper metal like Copper or nickel. You will find out the difference a few years down the road...Caveat Emptor

"You can take the Banana Out of the Republic but you Cannot take the Republic Out Of The Banana"

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Rocco81 says on Nov 12, 2009, 09:55:

Can I get an affordable grill in Bogota? I so long for a new gold grill...

Sic semper tyrannis

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oneforyourmillion says on Nov 12, 2009, 11:48:

For Dental work they are aces no doubt about it, the best. For major surgery? I am on a plane out of here.

All that up in the high life you can have it. False rich, false friends and well a false life. Get down to the bear bones of it and you will find yourself, your friends and your life. Colombia can show you the way if you look...

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Simon says on Nov 12, 2009, 12:45:

Why don't you get on that plane right now?

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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oneforyourmillion says on Nov 12, 2009, 14:14:

Why don't you get on that plane right now and come back to Colombia?

All that up in the high life you can have it. False rich, false friends and well a false life. Get down to the bear bones of it and you will find yourself, your friends and your life. Colombia can show you the way if you look...

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