Colombia or USA, where to retire?

elmodefoque says on Nov 21, 2007, 07:34:

slyguy, why bolivia of all places?

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

Waterdawg says on Nov 21, 2007, 07:49:

Living here ( Latin America ) over the last few years I have noticed just that !

" For others like me, safety is no issue, broke ass family is the issue ".

It seems like Latin Family's put undo pressure on relatives to not just chip in but carry the load if they have two nickels to rub together or are now " Rich " because they lived and worked in the States . I bet returning to Colombia will put you in just that kind of situation .. Tough call . I would love to own a small farm in the States where I can fish , hunt and Garden .. Trouble is I have my small Co. here and would love to be able to keep a Pad here also .. $$$$$$$$ never enough , no ?

elmodefoque says on Nov 21, 2007, 08:02:

going back to families in need is no laughing matter. I'm really thinking of ending up in Medellin, but what the fok am i gonna do there for fun.
I love sun sea, noise and chaos. I can't be around quiet polite people, I need that loud coastal energy

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

Lowell says on Nov 21, 2007, 08:07:

I get to deal with both. Safety and a broke ass family. To top it of the family has attitude problems. Safety I can deal with. The problem family? I'm real tired of them. In 2008 they'll be seeing less assistance and in 2009. NOTHING! Yea, I lived and worked in the States. I worked my freakin butt off. Especially the last 10 years before leaving. Also, I lived like a poper during those years. My car was even 20 years old. All for them to live the life of a novela. Not on my money!

Alfred E. Newman. "What. Me Worry?"

elmodefoque says on Nov 21, 2007, 08:20:

lowell, i'm gonna do the same chit.
hell, i'm already telling my kids to hook me up, this is gonna be early retirement for me. I won't see a dime until i turn 62, a few years from now.
I'm also telling them in curramba to have my brothers send them money, no more from me!!!
yo estoy paque me den!

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

jtrapp says on Nov 21, 2007, 08:24:

I've thought about this alot too. Got 5 years to go before I 'retire.' It seems to work for some, for others, no. Life's a gamble, and becomes dull and stagnat if you forever weigh your options. I will just do what I feel is right (not think), and make it work from there.

BTW - When you marry a girl (anywhere), you marry her family. If every guy considered this, few would get married.

Grateful Dead says on Nov 21, 2007, 08:36:

with la familia ? oh man !

arthur brode says on Nov 21, 2007, 08:37:

Boca Sucks!!

http://www.calirentals.net/

miamimike says on Nov 21, 2007, 08:37:

Elmo-retire in Miami's Little Habana in a rent controlled walk-up! Plenty of Plan Ocho One Bedrooms here Elmo not to mention all the Cantinos Cubanos in the area, Food by the Pound eateries. Too many Snobby People in Boca raton!

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? ... That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.,

Grateful Dead says on Nov 21, 2007, 08:42:

que una platica para comprarle al muchacho una computadora.

elmodefoque says on Nov 21, 2007, 08:48:

mike, that sounds nice and all but what i want MOST from my retirement is copious amount of chucha, i wont get that in little havana. Just a bunch of negrito drinking, cigar smoking, sanwiche cubano eating, cubichi habla mierda.
Since you live there, tell me, how is the chucha situation in Miami? and i'm talking quality chucha.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

slguy says on Nov 21, 2007, 08:55:

Elmo,

Why Bolivia? I have a very special woman there, who owns her own very succesful business, and I can help expand it. Plus it's WAY cheap to live there- I mean WAY cheap. For example, I'm probably gonna buy a little farm just outside Santa Cruz, about 120 acres, with a 4/3 house, pool included, for US$120,000. The only problem with Santa Cruz is - transportation in/out of there is ridiculously expensive, and my business will have me traveling to Lima and Colombia pretty often.

I know I'm not faced with the same family problem of the eternal hands out for cash, so I can't speak from experience - but maybe Nancy Reagan had it right? What's so tough about "just say no" that you'd live anywhere except where you really wanna be?

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

nine inch nails says on Nov 21, 2007, 08:57:

Always get asked by taxistas what type of car a drive. Answer to myself: non of your effin business but to be cordial always describe my beat up work truck to them and that their shiny new later model taxi is so much nicer than my ride.

get down, get down

john_stark says on Nov 21, 2007, 09:23:

Slguy, you don't worry about Evo Kneivel taking your farm? Isn't there a lot of social unrest and chaos in Bolivia right now?

kat1 (Moderator) says on Nov 21, 2007, 09:26:

Elmo why don't you retire in San Andres :)

engage brain before opening mouth

slguy says on Nov 21, 2007, 09:38:

Yep, J_S - there's a fair amount of problemas there now....but this farm is too small to get their attention. It's not uncommon on the plains of Bolivia for a farm to be 3-4,000 hectares, so my little place would be WAY under the radar. Plus, under Bolivian law, within a couple months of marrying, I get Bolivian citizenship, which'll help protect me.

Maybe I'm an idiot- but from my perspective, the current chaos there creates more opportunities for someone with a little capital to invest. Most of what (little) I have will stay safe, outside the Bolivian financial system.

Sorry for the hijack, Elmo. I'll shut up now about Bolivia. jajajajajjajajaa

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

elmodefoque says on Nov 21, 2007, 09:41:

I always dreamt of this moment when I no longer had to work, but when is finally staring you in the face is a bit scary. Not that I’m gonna miss my job, absolutely NOT; chit will always be a part of my life.
Is not knowing where I’ll end up.

BARRANQUILLA PROS::

CHUCHA
2000 peso for every dollar
CHUCHA
Cheap booze
Climate
Brand new apt with balcony (60k usa)
CHUCHA
Drugs (for you druggies)
FREEDOM
Playa
Music
CHUCHA

BARRANQUILLA CONS::
Broke ass family
Arroyos
Safety issues for some

USA PROS:
No need to turn off lights
Keep TV on all day long
Rent a car and drive all over the fokin place.
Motel 6 and Days Inn
Great rest stops

USA CONS:
NO CHUCHA
NO FREEDOM

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

slguy says on Nov 21, 2007, 09:44:

Who said third world????????????

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

TonyMattei says on Nov 21, 2007, 10:22:

i have some houses for sale on 2.75 acres where you can have a farm, horses. etc.

email me anthonymattei at saggiodream.com......

Bam Bam says on Nov 21, 2007, 10:26:

Saying third world is definitely not something super ignorant to say. Its the PC machine telling you that. Soon enough, calling a country "developing" is going to be politically incorrect. Kind of like the word "Mentally challenged" here. First calling handicapped people retards became inappropriate. Then Mentally Challenged become inappropriate. Now we have to say they have "a disability".

I don't see places like Bolivia "developing" very much. Guatemala isn't exactly "developing" into an economic powerhouse. It is what it is. When someone says Third World they don't mean that the people and country are garbage, they just are referring to the fact that those countries are pretty much non-factors when it comes to global economics. Big deal.

slguy says on Nov 21, 2007, 11:23:

nati- did you bother reading his words?

"When someone says Third World they don't mean that the people and country are garbage, they just are referring to the fact that those countries are pretty much non-factors when it comes to global economics."

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

Waterdawg says on Nov 21, 2007, 11:26:

Shoot SLY thats a hell of a deal ! Hows the fishing in Bolivia ?

Desideria (Moderator) says on Nov 21, 2007, 11:29:

Elmo I thought we had it all figured out. I get your money and you get a room at Desi's Old Fogeys' Home in Cali ("where the fok is Cali", with Mona in charge of the activities, entertainment and rehab, Kat and Lauthra wil be popping in and out to say hi, Colombiche wil be playing your songs in the jukebox and all you need to do is turn over your social security and private insurance checks over to me. (There's plenty of chuchas in the mountains around Cali, so there!)

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

lampltr says on Nov 21, 2007, 12:02:

Elmo, I also understand you 100%. There are articles out there with financial figures showing why a 2 couple household (Even with home paid off) could not make ends meet in central Florida. They sold everything they had and moved to Latin America. I have the e-book if you desire a copy, let me know. Is very interesting to read with stats and all. This guy was pretty intellegent financially speaking.
Myself, I too have severed all ties with the U.S. (Except for my children, immediate family, and securing another retirement overseas). I had been homeless there for a short period, been to court about a 1/2 a dozen times, ripped off by Gov't offices, Ex's and all so now Fuk them all. I now have a beautiful well known family in Colombia, plenty of land, and friends in Panama. Last 2 years have been securing serious issues in Colombia and now it is time for business and a nice finca to pay off never to look back.

Slyguy, your second paragraph is on the money as I have also been taking advantage of this but in another country. Great post Elmo!!

Chelesupercono says on Nov 21, 2007, 12:23:

Elmo...the U.S. is for dying....Colombia is for retiring........and of course the pre-pagos!!!!

never go to bed with someone crazier then you are, you will do it and you will regret it.......

Simon says on Nov 21, 2007, 17:20:

It's called the third world because it's three times more fun!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

billyb says on Nov 21, 2007, 17:23:

I sure hope Colombia never gets ruined by all this PC BS, because we are the most un PC people on earth, it's part of the national character.

lampltr says on Nov 21, 2007, 17:25:

Chelesupercono y gringoinbogota...you guys are a trip!! :-))

manny0775 says on Nov 21, 2007, 17:27:

I would say the Pereira,or the coffee growing region!!!

billyb says on Nov 21, 2007, 17:30:

Yup, Paisas, the most un PC of all :)

Tinto (Moderator) says on Nov 21, 2007, 17:40:

"Kind of like the word "Mentally challenged" here. First calling handicapped people retards became inappropriate. Then Mentally Challenged become inappropriate. Now we have to say they have "a disability". - BamBam

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I think "mentally retarded" is or was acceptable but obviously not the school yard insult "retard." However, use of the latter made for a funny scene in the movie "There's Something About Mary."

christobeldawg says on Nov 21, 2007, 19:20:

Notice noone ever calls a country first world or second world, not even 4th world. We only hear the term 3rd world used loosely. and emerging markets, or developing countries, haven't these countries been around forever?

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

christobeldawg says on Nov 21, 2007, 20:14:

partly true for sure but I knew a wealthy family in Bogota that complained about living in a poor country, saying they didn't feel secure there. Well actually, that was actually only one of the family members[the others tightened her up for saying that] but you know what I'm sayin.

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

Bam Bam says on Nov 22, 2007, 00:32:

It does not matter how rich you are....if you live in a country that gives nothing to the global economy, then your country will be referred to as the third world. Oh, sorry...DEVELOPING NATION. Seriously, third world is not an insult, it's just a statement to the economic condition of the country.

There is nothing "Developing" in many countries in Latin America and Asia. Go to Cambodia, go to Guatemala. The only thing developing in those countries is starvation and garbage piles. That doesn't mean the country is shit. Those countries have a great culture, interesting people, and a long and meaningful history. But that doesn't mean the country is going anywhere fast in todays world.

Like I said, it is what it is.

lampltr says on Nov 22, 2007, 01:00:

It is interesting to see just how quickly Colombia is rising up the "Scene" globally. Many nations have this vision of Colombia like most, but watch the GDP and what is happening on the International front such as fashion (Marketing competition in France/Milano), and who's who in sports, the marketing for tourism, business & industry. Attempting to block the nations that would great hurt the economy such as the Colombian government is doing against China and its immigrants. I see many positive happenings here especially within the next 10 years FARC or no FARC. You all that are in country now have the greatest advantage point and know the most to take advantage of this opportunity. Anyone agree? I will shut up now....

tomtom33 says on Nov 22, 2007, 01:38:

I wound up in MDE, but I still keep a place in the US. CTG and the coast got to me a little after 4 years.

And, yeah, this is very much a third world country. Most everything here is FUBAR. The chucha, the climate, and the cost of living more than balance out the FUBAR. No place is perfect.

I think, Elmo, that you will like retirement whatever you do. And realize that your first step in retirement is not your last. My first step was building the house of my dreams in the US. Then I discovered Colombia and sold the house. You are not dead until you are dead.

tomtom33 says on Nov 22, 2007, 05:02:

GIB, there are 3 certainties: death, taxes and change. If you don't like the latter, choose the former.

Chelesupercono says on Nov 22, 2007, 05:27:

The phrase "Third World" is not just the economic status of a country or region......it is also a "state of mind" and anyone that has lived and worked in these countries knows what that means......forget the PC bullshit

never go to bed with someone crazier then you are, you will do it and you will regret it.......

cali373 says on Nov 22, 2007, 12:56:

HHMMMM let me think. uh COLOMBIA

Smile if you are a thinker!

lpdiver says on Nov 22, 2007, 14:10:

IF any one cares Colombia does not qualify as a third world country in any catagory...according to the world bank.

Elmo...why limit yourself to only two options? WHy not just rent and move from location. Or buy a sailboat or moto and hit the seas/roads? Remember...a moving target is harder to hit!!!

t

"cook some rice!"

Lowell says on Nov 22, 2007, 14:18:

So what does it qualify as?

Alfred E. Newman. "What. Me Worry?"

lpdiver says on Nov 22, 2007, 14:27:

Lowell it qualifies as a really cool place in my book. You can find worse poverty in the US without looking too hard. You can find really posh living and lifestyle in Colombia without looking too hard.

Granted the ratios are vastly different in the two countries.

I can fit in either place so I don't care how someone wants to classify it.

t

"cook some rice!"

Chelesupercono says on Nov 22, 2007, 15:29:

I call it a beautiful, wonderful, sexy.....clusterfuc*******

never go to bed with someone crazier then you are, you will do it and you will regret it.......

gold digger says on Nov 22, 2007, 20:14:

I read somewhere that Colombia is a second world country and the only real third world countries are in Africa now. Not sure of the real definition but I'm guessing living with no electricity, running water and digging through trash looking for dinner is third world?

christobeldawg says on Nov 22, 2007, 21:06:

Overall, Colombia is 2nd world, with many 3rd world areas, and a smaller but increasing percentage that are first world. The US and most of Europe, and a few other places, are first world, but with many 2nd and 3rd world pockets.

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

David Pristupa says on Nov 23, 2007, 00:13:

People in North America have been told
there is no life elsewhere.....that is no longer true......lower prices....a simpler life...
surrounded by beautiful Colombian women....what more can a guy ask for?

Lowell says on Nov 23, 2007, 05:41:

I call it HOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! God Bless Colombia!

Alfred E. Newman. "What. Me Worry?"

kalder says on Nov 23, 2007, 07:49:

I think the terms 'First-Second-Third Worlds' are hangovers from the Cold War. The States and its allies were the First World; the Soviet Empire the Second; and the 'non-aligned' nations were the Third World. They were only meant to refer incidentally to levels of socio-economic development. Meant to anyway.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

kalder says on Nov 23, 2007, 07:51:

God I'm tired. I can barely think. Should I skip the gym and go straight on to the beer?

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

Chelesupercono says on Nov 23, 2007, 07:55:

I always drink at least a 6 pack before I go to the gym......

never go to bed with someone crazier then you are, you will do it and you will regret it.......

morphus says on Nov 23, 2007, 07:56:

I'm skipping the gym today for the beer. What are you, 6 hours ahead in the UK? Just think, when you are done, i'll be getting started :)

kalder says on Nov 23, 2007, 08:24:

I might not get done for a couple of days old chap...

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

Robert Jorge says on Nov 23, 2007, 10:21:

I never saw people without running water / plumbing in Colombia. I also never saw people digging through trash to make a living - eat in Colombia. I am being sarcastic. I saw that all over the place. I have cousins who's water supply comes from a hose that comes down the side of a mountain. Dirt floors. Electric is wired in, I assume illegally, using extension cords and recycled patched together copper strands. Anyway, they are rather well off compared to many in more outlying regions of Colombia I would imagine.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

nueva york bombero says on Nov 23, 2007, 10:26:

Speaking of... I ran into a family (mother and three kids) in pure poverty outside of Pueblo Rico (3 hours from Medellin). No shoes for the kids, no toys, and I didn't see food.
In the afternoon, we bought them a ton of dry food and canned food, toys, and shoes.
They were extremely happy, breaking down in tears. The hardest thing was driving past the next "house" (shack) and seeing their faces. Tough times down there!

kalder says on Nov 23, 2007, 10:32:

Way off topic- but I'm curious...Bombero...

In London, firefighters are very badly paid. Which is scandalous, considering they risk their lives to save those of others.

Does the same sorry state of affairs exist in New York?

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

nueva york bombero says on Nov 23, 2007, 10:38:

New York firefighters have come a long way. Through union negotiations, we are paid pretty damn good now. I really don't want to divulge how much on a message board, but its called hitting the Irish Lotto. I work 24 hours on and 72 off. It's the best part time - full time job out there!!! Take one day off, you're out for a week!

morphus says on Nov 23, 2007, 10:45:

Which Borough do you work in?

nueva york bombero says on Nov 23, 2007, 10:49:

I'm actually on Long Island, Long Beach, which is next to Far Rockaway, Queens.
We get better pay, better schedule and a lot safer. I've got a lot of friends in Manhattan and Brooklyn in FDNY. They're real ra ra tough guys!!!

goin_south says on Nov 23, 2007, 10:51:

Like morphus??
jaj

and, thank you.

nueva york bombero says on Nov 23, 2007, 10:54:

Maybe or like that other tough guy... elmo!!!

morphus says on Nov 23, 2007, 10:55:

Long Beach? Thats a "cake"! More money, less work :)

morphus says on Nov 23, 2007, 10:58:

G_S - very tough!

nueva york bombero says on Nov 23, 2007, 10:59:

Pretty much. I wouldn't go saying we work harder than the city guys!!!
You want an application? lol

morphus says on Nov 23, 2007, 11:06:

I'm already in the fire prevention business. Alarms, sprinklers, standpipes...I know it all :)

goin_south says on Nov 23, 2007, 11:14:

....pissin' on pbh....jej

and, thank you.

Robert Jorge says on Nov 23, 2007, 11:23:

Kalder, how much do London firefighters make? (ballpark) I am too lazy to research it, but I imagine FDNY guys and gals probably are getting into 6 figures, usd.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

morphus says on Nov 23, 2007, 11:23:

What are you doing in Cali? Nada?

nueva york bombero says on Nov 23, 2007, 11:31:

Almost six figures for the FDNY guys. You'd have to be a boss or work a lot of overtime to reach that. Long Beach is a different story though. I'm curious also about London.
I know Latin American Bomberos don't make shit and it's a shame! Although everything is block construction and not much burns. We're really off topic by the way!!!! Sorry!

goin_south says on Nov 23, 2007, 11:31:

unfortunately, morph... I'm already returned home.

and, thank you.

morphus says on Nov 23, 2007, 11:35:

Home already? What did you acomplish?

goin_south says on Nov 23, 2007, 11:39:

todos que estan necessario

and, thank you.

Buongone says on Nov 24, 2007, 02:33:

Yo Duck. How long were you in Cali?

kalder says on Nov 24, 2007, 04:56:

Robert-the typical London firefighter will earn about £30,000. It's more than the national average for salaries, but not enough to raise a family on (without considerable hardship) in a seriously expensive city like London.

The hours worked will be 40 plus at, regularly, anti-social times.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

nueva york bombero says on Nov 24, 2007, 07:37:

That sucks!! Risk your life and don't get paid enough to feed your kids! Sounds like being a veteran here in the states!! I've heard 25% of the homeless in the states are (were) veterans.

Tinto (Moderator) says on Nov 24, 2007, 07:55:

Oh, come on. No one is going hungry at 30,000 pounds/$60,000 a year unless they have a gambling, shopping or drug problem. Maybe the firefighter's spouse will have to work part or fulltime and maybe they're going to have a long commute, but welcome to the real world!

There are very few private sector jobs where you can make that kind of money without a four year college degree, where you get top shelf health insurance and all the politicians pandering to you, and you get to retire with a pension and lifetime health benefits at the ripe old age of 45 or 50. Also, police and firemen start earning money two to four years before everyone else and they're not faced with the crushing educational debt loads as some fresh-out-of-college students (because of the time value of money, that's a HUGE advantage over the course of a career).

Other benefits: Because of union work rules and politicians selling their souls for union endorsements, it's almost impossible to be terminated unless you're an outright criminal. And with all those odd shifts that amount to extra time off, it's not at all uncommon for police and firemen to become multi-building landlords in the neighborhoods they know so well.

As for the safety thing, I'm pretty sure fishermen, farmers and miners and other occupations have higher mortality rates and the average school crossing guard or Brinks truck driver puts himself or herself in harm's way with more frequency than a fireman.

Being a firemen or a police officer in a rich country may not be a cakewalk, but it's not bad at all.

nueva york bombero says on Nov 24, 2007, 08:24:

Intelligently put! I don't know the cost of living in London, but I know it isn't like Latin America and on the other hand, I know it's nowhere near Manhattan. I know this: unless you've been in a burning building, low on air supply searching for kids four floors up, don't comment on what is a dangerous job as compared to being a firefighter! I'm sure statistics will show crab fisherman die more often, but in the end, both are dangerous jobs!

slguy says on Nov 24, 2007, 08:45:

NYB- According to Mercer's (an international consulting firm) as of June 2007, London is the second most expensive city on the planet to live- behind Moscow. NY is number 15. Tokyo, Hong Kong, Zurich, Paris- all more expensive than NY.

There rankings use NY as the base, with a score of 100 - London receives a lofty 126, which makes it 26% more expensive than NY.

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

Tinto (Moderator) says on Nov 24, 2007, 08:48:

It's settled then. Elmo needs to get out of NYC and become

A. A bombero in Medellin, or

B. An old man in the sea in Barranquilla

Note: I don't know Elmo from Adam, but he's told us he works for a television station with a news division (that's close enough to being a reporter); he contributes to ThePoopReport (that's close enough to being a writer); and he loves to drink, chase women and fish in the ocean. Oh, and he's going to end his life by blasting off his balls with a shotgun. Sounds familiar, no?

nueva york bombero says on Nov 24, 2007, 08:50:

Yeah, but when you (or they) say "NY", that doesn't mean Manhattan solo. Sure it's somewhat reasonable to afford to live in Queens, Brooklyn, Staten Island or The Bronx.
Manhattan is a totally different animal altogether. A firefighter would struggle to live in Manhattan. And certainly could'nt own his/her own place. But thanks for digging that up!

kalder says on Nov 24, 2007, 09:19:

On a London firefighter's salary you can't buy your own place. And you can't raise your family in anything approaching a comfortable middle-class lifestyle.

To me, it's obvious they deserve a better deal.

And don't get me started on the paramedics...

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

nueva york bombero says on Nov 24, 2007, 09:26:

Yeah, not to venture into this, but paramedics in NY get paid shit compared to firefighters.
Don't want to open the floodgates for discussion further, because this could go in many directions........What was the topic again? lol

slguy says on Nov 24, 2007, 09:58:

Don't worry, NYB- we don't worry so much about staying "on topic" as many other boards do. It's one of the PBH charms. jajajajajjajajaja

A post about shaving butt hair turned into 500 posts, if that tells you anything.....and there's simply NOT 500 things to say about that, is there? jajajajjajaa

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

nueva york bombero says on Nov 24, 2007, 10:07:

Well, some of the posters here try to outdo their rivals with witty comebacks. So, I guess I'll start digging up statistics on butt hair that will impress you!!!!!

goin_south says on Nov 24, 2007, 10:57:

buongone..... How long in Cali?
not long enough.
but, long enough to get a lil more taste of what they say: "Cali es Cali"

Hey el Modefoq..... now there... maybe you should try Cali.
More noise than Medellin.... sun? yeah.... enough.... hookers? I'm sure. And, you can ask La_Camp for the really crazy places.... and .... forever wait for that freakin fish to bite in the Cali Rio! Hey, it was moving pretty fast last week.... Saw a few 'eddys' in there...had to be holding a few fish, north of the zoo..... afraid the zoo people would catch em and put em in captivity por siempre

and, thank you.

elmodefoque says on Nov 26, 2007, 08:06:

I was discussing freedom in USA, with a good buddy, and how it has gone down hill thanks to the present administration, thus the reason I’ve chosen not to longer live here.
Ok, for blacks and Latinos getting beat downs by local authorities is no big deal, but when it happens to an average American family, then is totally shocking as seen in this video.
If they say jump, you only right is to ask how high sir?

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

elmodefoque says on Nov 26, 2007, 08:43:

Sometime you feel like helpless sheep being guarded by juiced up wolves and all you could do is prey they don’t pick on your sorry ass. Safety in numbers type of chit, but this poor guys and his terrified familiy number came up.
You see how all the other cars just passed by. I’m sure they’re thinking , good!! they got one guy; that should keep them happy, we are safe for now.
Heck, that’s how I think when I’m driving jijijijiji

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

Mr. Hollywood says on Nov 26, 2007, 14:03:

Elmo, the solution to begging relatives is easy. Just gin up a fake "tragedy" that befalls you right before you retire. Tell them all that you're totally bankrupt and are moving to Barranquilla to depend on the kindness of family. Then, after seeing your farting ass sleeping on their couches for a few weeks and eating their food, they'll be so relieved that you've mysteriously moved into a penthouse apt on your own that they'll never even call.

Bam Bam says on Nov 26, 2007, 15:29:

that guy deserved to get tasered. I would have done the same thing as the officer. He was:

A) Insubordinate from the beginning
B) Refusing to obey orders
C) Getting out of car and approaching officer
D) Not staying away form officer

I would have arrested his wife if she refused my orders again, because she too was being insubordinate

People in this country like to push the limit when it comes to the law, overreact when they don't get their way, then try to sue after they deservedly get their ass handed to them/arrested. Obey officers, contest everything after the fact, but don't try to do so DURING the encounter.

I tried to do that once, I got my ass beaten down my numerous officers, jailed and charged with a felony and three misdemeanors (got off except for one misdemeanor). I didn't try to sue because where there is smoke, there is fire, and while I didn't agree at the time, officers are right pretty much all the time they use force.

goin_south says on Nov 26, 2007, 15:53:

you got a point, bam bam.

when they say 'Duck'! then, .......DUCK!

and, thank you.

slguy says on Nov 26, 2007, 16:45:

"insubordinate"?

Ummmm...cops ain't god. The get the respect from me they earn- same as everyone else.

OTOH - I typically'll "yes, sir, no sir" a cop to death - until he becomes an asshole. I don't like a beating any better than anyone else. ;)

The vast majority I ever dealt with were courteous and professional, just doing their jobs. This doesn't mean that questioning a cop about stuff should be labeled insubordination - physically threatening is a whole other thing, obviously. Maybe it's just the connotation of the word that bothers me...to me, insubordination implies someone's superior to the other. Except for the gun (or taser) on a cop's hip, he/she are just people doing a job - not my drill sargeant.

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

Bam Bam says on Nov 26, 2007, 18:28:

That guy = insubordinate. Total asshole from the beginning. He wasnt just questioning, he was refusing to sign. Plus, you can question without being a dick, and that guy was not doing it. He got tasered for threatening the officers safety, not for arguing with the guy.

No, Cops aren't god. But as I said, where there is smoke there is fire, and people are usually guilty when a cop has to deal with them.

Have you ever thought cops can be assholes because they have to deal with people like the above guy all day? People that argue with them and object every time they get caught breaking the law? I would get testy with civilians too.

Shit, you better keep yes sir and no sir cops, even when they become assholes because thats when the assbeatings usually come ;) trust me

Mr. Hollywood says on Nov 26, 2007, 20:03:

Sorry, but that cop was a total dick. If he was that threatened by some dork like that walking AWAY from him with empty hands, then he needs to find new employment. He tasered that guy in the back, out of pure spite.

I'm almost surprised he didn't shoot the wife and kids just to "teach them a lesson".

Bam Bam says on Nov 26, 2007, 20:30:

it doesn't matter man, if you are verbally hostile to a cop, walk towards a cop and don't listen when he tells you to back up your going to get tasered. What happened if that guy attacked him? they HAVE to be defensive.

A lot of Cops nowadays are afraid to take force and end up getting attacked/injured/killed because people like you always have to criticize them for using force without realizing how stressful that job is, especially in that situation. They have drunk guys like me fighting them, people like that guy pushing their buttons and invading the safety zone, and people like you who always have to cry about their bullying and how unfair they are.

Just being a schoolteacher has totally changed my perspective on rule enforcement and how tough it is to enforce rules even on kids. I can only imagine what its like when you are physically threatened, bitched at and attacked on the job by adults who frequently rebel against rules.

Seriously, how many times do you think people tried to pull "show me the speed sign, I wasn't speeding" that argument on that cop that day? all week? Trust me I get frustrated and angry when kids do that shit, I cant imagine what its like with adults who actually break the law.

manINred says on Nov 26, 2007, 20:35:

Hey, wanna see police brutality? In Canada just recently I was embarrassed and shocked to watch the pigs tazer some scared non-english speaking Polish dude stranded at an airport for 10 hours to death.

Most sickening was as they were approaching him, without having even assessed him, one pigshit asked another "can I taser him?" and the other said "sure"

Disgraceful, they should go to jail.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qHKk5qQRzL4

manINred says on Nov 26, 2007, 20:43:

Wow, just saw that video. The dude, obviously confused, was walking away from the officer (turning around as instructed) as the officer tasered him. Notice how the poice tasered him as he asked 'what the hell is wrong with you?' Fuck right, what the hell was wrong with the pig???

scooby_1781 says on Nov 26, 2007, 20:48:

Are there such a thing as a sugar mama in Colombia if anyone knows of one send me her e-mail add!!!

"SEMPER FI"

christobeldawg says on Nov 26, 2007, 21:00:

the dawg jury concludes they should have both been tazed. two jerks, two tazed.

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

goin_south says on Nov 26, 2007, 21:23:

...Back to scooby's concern: is there Suga Mamma's in Colombia....
I want in on this 1, 2 ;-)

and, thank you.

slguy says on Nov 26, 2007, 22:08:

Bam Bam, the fallacy in your logic is- it doesn't make a damn bit of difference how many assholes they've had to deal with that week- if they can't be professional (and using a taser on a guy's back is NOT being professional!), they need to find a new line of work. Period. End of story. And probably be prosecuted, too.

No one's downplaying the stress in the job. That's pretty much what the job is - tons of stress. The thing that scares me the most is that you empathize with cops' overreactions, and say you understand it because you teach kids. That sincerely scares the crap out of me....

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morphus says on Nov 27, 2007, 04:21:

I was arrested once here in New York when I was 18 years old for sneaking on the subway. I tried to get away from the cops. I knocked over a bunch of people. A civilian tried to grab me and I clocked him in the face. Finally, a bunch of cops tackled me and hand cuffed me. There were ambulances and everything. They let me out of the jail a few hours later. They gave me 2 tickets. One for tresspassing and the other for disorderly conduct. I had to pay $25 each. Not too bad.

My younger brother had a similar experience on the subway. He walked on without paying. An undercover cop grabbed him from behind. My brother elbowed the cop in the nose. The cop's nose was broken. In the end, my brother got off with only 3 days community service because the cop never identified himself as a police officer.

Robert Jorge says on Nov 27, 2007, 04:41:

I watched the video Elmo posted. Pretty bad. I never have been a beat cop either. But the one thing I am educated in is the cop biz. That guy was way out of line and made many mistakes. But, it is easy to be an "armchair quarterback". Anyway, I would assume that the person tazed got a decent settlement. I would love to ride the lightening for .5 million.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

elmodefoque says on Nov 27, 2007, 05:14:

Civil Servant? I wonder if they teach them those two words anymore.
Many of these modefoques have forgotten they’re here to serve us not the other way around. We are not here to be their fokin punching bags every time these modefouqes wake up on the wrong side of the fokin bed.
And don’t give me this chit how dangerous the job is, BULLSHITTT!!!!!
All my life I’ve lived in the worst neighborhood in NYC. I see cops in action almost every day. I’ve witness them beat modefoique to a pulp, hundreds of times. I’ve yet to see a modefoque even raise his voice at a cop, not outta respect but outta utter terror.
Last time in Barranquilla I saw two drunks fighting with 2 uniformed cops. They all threw a few punches and no one was arrested, except me, but that’s another story.
At the station I was talking to the police captain, in spanish of course. I told him, If those drunks where in NYC and even looked at a cop the wrong way they’ll be in the hospital with broken jaws and over 200 stitches on their fokin heads and if they even dare swing at a cop they’ll be fokin dead. He seemed shock.
I continued "them modefouqes over there walk around like they’re fokin gods, lords of the streets or as a special unit in NYC used to call themselves ‘LORDS OF THE NIGHT’

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elmodefoque says on Nov 27, 2007, 05:18:

gee wiz, i hope we don't have any cops here, I was just kidding guys, that guy needed to be taze a couple more times so did his fokin wife and screaming kid

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elmodefoque says on Nov 27, 2007, 05:32:

guys, by january i'll be back in my third world country, go right ahead and beat the living crap and taze everybody you want. i'll be under a big ass mango tree in front of a tienda having a few beers (on me) with barranquillero cops.

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aztec says on Nov 27, 2007, 07:04:

i'll be back in my third world country elmodefoque

For good are you just traveling?

elmodefoque says on Nov 27, 2007, 07:10:

aztec, for good!!!
that's it for me, i've over stayed my welcome. 50 years here is enough, but NYC will for ever be the greatest city in the planet, in my book.
I will sit around playing dominos, drinkin beer and telling my new broke ass barranquillero corroncho friends all my experiences and adventures living in this great city.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

elmodefoque says on Nov 27, 2007, 07:13:

will i miss NYC? to be honest, not in the winter! but in the spring and summer is gonna be tough.
i will miss my fishing buddies a lot!

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morphus says on Nov 27, 2007, 07:16:

Tell them to visit you in Colombia.

elmodefoque says on Nov 27, 2007, 07:36:

I have two buddies already in Florida and the other guys are also planning on moving to the Sunshine state for non stop fishing. I tell them I want to move to Barranquilla for non stop CHUCHA.
Maybe I’ll do a little fishing en el Rio Magdalena, get me them thar boca chica fish.
As for those modefoques visiting me their wives wont let them, they know all about colombianas and how they like guys from USA

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Nov 27, 2007, 08:14:

I see one small problem, Elmo. When you join the local liar's club and start name dropping, they're gonna say "who the fok is Charlie Rose...who is Bill Moyers." You might have to resort to movie star spottings, partying stories, and of course, whoppers about the fish you've caught.

elmodefoque says on Nov 27, 2007, 08:30:

my buddy recorded this video on saturday while chasing fish off long island, NY . I was keeping myself warm next to the captain. You don't see my old frozen ass.
You know something, many broads have come and gone outta my life, but my friends remain.

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Monpirri says on Nov 27, 2007, 08:39:

Tinto who are you Mother Teresa? You have been demoting to0 many of my threads/comments. I believe you do not undestand about the freedom of speech.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

morphus says on Nov 27, 2007, 08:44:

You want freedom of speech? Go out to the street :)

Monpirri says on Nov 27, 2007, 08:47:

Where in Colombia or in the USA?

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

morphus says on Nov 27, 2007, 08:54:

Where are you?

Monpirri says on Nov 27, 2007, 08:56:

Lexington and 61st and Avenida Jimenez

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

Tinto (Moderator) says on Nov 27, 2007, 08:59:

Monpirri - The only thing I've demoted recently was the 'pile-on' thread where people went on and on about ColombianBlog and certain members of that site.

Monpirri says on Nov 27, 2007, 09:07:

Tinto, you have demoted several of my threads and comments and you have removed and moved some of them to other convenient locations.

Go ahead and continue with your best job you ever had and if you want to recluit some more moderators from cblog, they're still have more available to come here and to carry out the tradition.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

Bam Bam says on Nov 27, 2007, 12:10:

The thing that scares me the most is that you empathize with cops' overreactions, and say you understand it because you teach kids. That sincerely scares the crap out of me...."

Ok, its obvious you clearly don't see the reality of situation like this. You are a perfect example of the classic cynical idiot.

That cop was not overreacting. He was CLEARLY following procedure. Man argues then leaves car and approaches officer after being told to stay in car, man doesn't obey when told to back off. At that point, officers HAVE to subdue him. The man KNEW he wasn't supposed to do that, he is just the typical American spoiled asshole who tries to get away with everything and bitches (and in this situation) sues people when he gets a dose of reality.
ITS POLICY FOR A REASON.How many times have officers approached cars or been approached during a traffic stop and been attacked?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dBMHF3QvtA&feature=related -- Officer Assaulted at Traffic Stop

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG1rhLvrm7o - Cop gets shot in face during stop

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFHSOE1_YlQ - Cop Killed during Traffic Stop

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utSjnTqPipc -Shootout at Stop

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAhKGlh1OEY&feature=related - AK47 used on cop

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nebTeKJnvvw - Woman attacks cop with knife

I'm going to let those videos speak for themselves. Anyone wants to argue after seeing those can fuck off, and maybe realize why Cops sometimes have to take actions like in the first video.

And saying it scares you that I understand because I teach kids, you are obviously understating the connection I made, or your just an idiot and don't understand. Ill say both.

Bam Bam says on Nov 27, 2007, 12:17:

and the thing that pisses me off most is when people sue the officers to get some quick cash just because they were acting out of line. Its complete bullshit how ignorant people can be. Any bit of Police force and people act like its brutality. Kids that have drugs in their car can get off because it was "unreasonable search and seizure". Its all crap.

elmodefoque says on Nov 27, 2007, 12:30:

i'm terrify of cops so is best i keep my big mouth shut!!!
cops rock!!

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

Colombiche says on Nov 27, 2007, 12:34:

Sometimes I have this fantasy about being a cop for one day, I would go around giving people tickets and cruising at very high speeds.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

elmodefoque says on Nov 27, 2007, 12:37:

me too, but i wanna crack heads left and right and then have a few beers with the guys to see who did most damage for the day.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

elmodefoque says on Nov 27, 2007, 12:39:

i told me damn kids to join the NYPD.

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Colombiche says on Nov 27, 2007, 12:41:

I would give people all sorts of tickets and if anybody argues, I'll pull out my stick and hit them.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

elmodefoque says on Nov 27, 2007, 12:45:

As long as you don't stick that baton up some guys ass is ok. ask this hatian guy here in ny how it felt to have a cop stick a broom sick up his rectum, not so nice, almost killed that poor guy.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

Tinto (Moderator) says on Nov 27, 2007, 12:45:

Looks like this is going to court.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312466,00.html

Colombiche says on Nov 27, 2007, 12:45:

That's horrid, I was so disturbed when I read about that incident. IN all honesty, I am really apalled by people who abuse their power.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

slguy says on Nov 27, 2007, 12:56:

"cynical idiot" ?

I've been accused of many things in my life- but being an idiot doesn't appear on the list very often. Did you ever read my post? I wasn't talking about those cops- I was expressing concern for your empathy with them, because your students, you said, sometimes give you equally frustrated feelings. I fear for your students. Especially now that you've displayed your tolerance levels for other viewpoints. You might think about a little time on the doc's sofa, my friend.

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Bam Bam says on Nov 27, 2007, 12:56:

I am appalled by it to.

But that wasn't the case in this instance.

Mr. Hollywood says on Nov 27, 2007, 13:32:

Bam Bam, maybe you should try taking a taser to school and see where that gets you.

aztec says on Nov 27, 2007, 13:58:

elmodefoque when is the date of your retirement?

Bam Bam says on Nov 27, 2007, 14:36:

Mr Hollywood

Great idea!

manINred says on Nov 27, 2007, 15:53:

" Anyone wants to argue after seeing those can fuck off,"

So anyone who disagrees with your opinion in this instance can fuck off? Not very becoming of a solid argument.

I suppose the cops in the Canadian video were just following procedure when the one asked another, before even approaching or talking to the man, if he could taser him? Well, he got his wish, the dude ended up dead too.

christobeldawg says on Nov 27, 2007, 23:17:

" Anyone wants to argue after seeing those can fuck off,"

any comment like that tells me, and everyone, that we have a totally unallowing of other viewpoint's taser among us

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

elmodefoque says on Nov 28, 2007, 05:25:

Aztec, I really won’t be able to retire or collect SS for almost 10 more years BUT I have a few bucks to get me thru if I move to curramba and live the life I knew as a kid, estrato 0, 1 and 2. After I reach retirement age and start getting those checks then I could move on up to estrato 6, where I wanna end up.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

elmodefoque says on Nov 28, 2007, 05:56:

hey morph, check the front page of 'EL DIARIO' the local spic paper.
Now that's a dominicana. this one i like a LOT and you will too, she's una morenita linda!!!!

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

morphus says on Nov 28, 2007, 06:03:

I'll look for it later. Check out the ads in El Diario. They list every whorehouse in New York City.

El Polo says on Nov 28, 2007, 06:26:

post a pic elmo

El Polo says on Nov 28, 2007, 06:26:

or a link

elmodefoque says on Nov 28, 2007, 06:32:

i checked their web site but no picture of that girl. she has esa carita linda y cuerpo de pelaita del sur de Curramba, que cosa tan deliciosa con color canela

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El Polo says on Nov 28, 2007, 06:54:

no me diga esa vaina compa, ahora tengo que ir a mi local bodega

Robert Jorge says on Nov 28, 2007, 21:22:

Elmo, I thought people in their 80's qualified for Social Security?

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

Costeño Esp. en Telecomunicaciones says on Feb 1, 2008, 19:32:

In colombia the issue of insecurity is just alike the same in U.S. unless you do like some stupid foreigners that went to the jungle despite many warnings and got kidnapped.
If u behave like all normal colombians do, it'll be pretty safe. One have to keep their eyes open like anywhere else. I live in Bquilla, know my city, gotta go to many places and i've never got robbed. Its just a question of being carefull

Spanish dude... you gotta learn spanish.

Costeño Esp. en Telecomunicaciones says on Feb 1, 2008, 19:33:

In colombia the issue of insecurity is just alike the same in U.S. unless you do like some stupid foreigners that went to the jungle despite many warnings and got kidnapped.
If u behave like all normal colombians do, it'll be pretty safe. One have to keep their eyes open like anywhere else. I live in Bquilla, know my city, gotta go to many places and i've never got robbed. Its just a question of being carefull

Spanish dude... you gotta learn spanish.

Costeño Esp. en Telecomunicaciones says on Feb 1, 2008, 19:34:

In colombia the issue of insecurity is just alike the same in U.S. unless you do like some stupid foreigners that went to the jungle despite many warnings and got kidnapped. If u behave like all normal colombians do, it'll be pretty safe. One have to keep their eyes open like anywhere else. I live in Bquilla, know my city, gotta go to many places and i've never got robbed. Its just a question of being carefull.

Spanish dude... you gotta learn spanish.

Costeño Esp. en Telecomunicaciones says on Feb 1, 2008, 19:34:

In colombia the issue of insecurity is just alike the same in U.S. unless you do like some stupid foreigners that went to the jungle despite many warnings and got kidnapped.
If u behave like all normal colombians do, it'll be pretty safe. One have to keep their eyes open like anywhere else. I live in Bquilla, know my city, gotta go to many places and i've never got robbed. Its just a question of being carefull

Spanish dude... you gotta learn spanish.