Colombia is not safe , but I like it

tompower says on Aug 14, 2007, 10:34:

so how do you make a living?
are you american?
remember, we're all in this together.

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gabolicious says on Aug 14, 2007, 10:40:

sorry cdh when you say :"When reading some of these post I cant help but laugh and shake my head." what exactly do you mean?

I think you refer to those posts in which we state some good things that are already happen in Colombia... am I right?

Elección no canonización....

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Chelesupercono says on Aug 14, 2007, 10:40:

Thanks CDH,

Finally someone that really speaks the truth and doesn't sugar coat the facts.....I totally agree with every point you made.

never go to bed with someone crazier then you are, you will do it and you will regret it.......

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imdarkangel says on Aug 14, 2007, 10:43:

i agree but conditions have improved in Colombia.
not safe but i like it too

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BAQ says on Aug 14, 2007, 10:53:

CDH, DITTO...........DITTO..........DITTO


GABOLICIOUS, i think what he is refering to are the ones who tell those of us who LIVE HERE that we dont know what we are talking about when we try and explain to them the hazards associated with some of the activites they want to do when they come here.

It amazes me that people jump on here and ASK a question because they dont know how Colombia operates then tell US we dont know what we are talking about when we give them an answer they dont want to hear.

Semper Fidelis !

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gabolicious says on Aug 14, 2007, 11:04:

Hey I agree with that... duality... let's say... but as I have always said, also in colombia things are improving... in this site we are telling the people: hey Colombia has good things as well.

Maybe those who you are referring to have another story to tell dude, as colombians (don't forget that. Simple as that, Colombia is not completely white nor completely black either...

Yes!!! I have read some radical people here... but for me at least as long you state your point of view with respect to the country you live in (this case Colombia) it is fine with me! I am pretty concious that also there is another side of the story...

Remember that in this site we are here to state our ideas and points of view, but nothing is absolute!
CDH said that he has lived in colombia for about 3 years now, that is a short term to realize whether things are changing for better or for worse in Colombia... I don't blame him, it's ok... finally he is stating his point of view..

Elección no canonización....

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wendell13 says on Aug 14, 2007, 11:16:

I agree wholeheartedly. I have lived here 3 years The casual gringo tourist thinks everything is cool and safe.

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gabolicious says on Aug 14, 2007, 11:21:

another question just out of curiosity (not trying to pick up a fight) besides your wife and the fact you like it.. then why you stay?

why stay if you can have your wife with you in a safer country (whatever its name be)?

Elección no canonización....

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gabolicious says on Aug 14, 2007, 12:08:

"I can go in any barrio, and get 10 versions of something that happened 10 minutes ago."

tal vez eso se deba a que ni siquiera la "verdad" es absoluta...y cada quien va a tener "su" version de los hechos dependiendo de la perspectiva que tenga de las cosas, claro que hay gente que exagera (un amigo rolo solía decir que no hay nada mas exagerado que un paisa, sera?)

Creo que en toda Americalatina hay que tener cuidado como turista y como residente, cuando algun extranjero aqui en PBH dice... "quiero ir a Colombia que me recomiendan" yo siempre he dicho "have fun but keep your eyes wide open".

Codazzi no se te olvide que Mexico es tambien tercer mundo como dice mi amiga, y por ese simple hecho uno como turista tiene que ser precavido. Europa es una historia diferente aunque como dices tambien hay que tener cuidado... es mas yo me atreveria a decir (toma en cuenta que es solo un percepcion personal) que en Cancun hay mas peligro porque todo el que llega ahí sea mexicano (de otra parte del pais) o turista extranjero llevara consigo dolares y no pesos..

Elección no canonización....

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jcgd77 says on Aug 14, 2007, 14:20:

With all respect. I am sorry to say but obviously this person has been for a while in the country and does not know much about it.

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panthdave says on Aug 14, 2007, 15:04:

Really cannot say anything because I have not been out of the so called Safe Zones which CDH has mentioned..I watch myself on the Taxi ride from Rio Negro..Airport into the City at night..

Anyways enough feel very comfortable in Medellin...

panthdave Miami

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cdh says on Aug 14, 2007, 16:26:

Why stay in Colombia?
I am a retired American, Main reason is so my wife can be with her family, other benfits are
I am able to aford a apartment on the beach and cost of living is much lower.

Things are alot better.
I agree, they say things are alot better compared to ten years ago. and its true, but that doesnt change how things are.

The Bandits/FRAC/PAR.. arent worried about the average tourist,

O man this is one Iam shaking my head on, If you live here you know thats not true.
These people shake down the locals that have nothing and you think they wont grabe you , lol, get real. They are holding two or three average touris in the mountains now for what three,four years now.

Europe and Cancun Mexico are worse.
I dont know maybe they are, I was talking about Colombia and I am not doing a worse list.

This site is used to talk about the good things of Colombia.
Sorry didnt know that, I thought it was for information of Colombia.

This post wasnt written to bash Colombia, I live here and I like it, If you live here you got street smarts and know the score and take procautions and think about your safety and you do ok , but more for the newbies. The threat outside the cities is very real. By all means vist Cartegena Bogota ect... very beautiful alot of culture ect...You can have fun in Colombia just do your homework and know the does and donts.

Cdh

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larryrn says on Aug 14, 2007, 16:41:

Dude, I am in Envigado now, and have been roaming around Medellin for the last 3 weeks and feel more safe than I did in Coral Springs. I was at the University EAFIT in El Poblado and every day walked or took cabs around Medellin/El Pablado and Envigado and didn't feel at all to be in a threat like condition. I even spend many hours in various local bars in Envigado many blocks from the main avenue (El Poblado at all hours of the night). So my friend, I disagree with your statement that Colombia is not safe. And yes, I have been in La Costa many times for as much as 3 weeks at a time..

I can take you to bad places in Ft Lauderdale and Miami.

Larry (larry at rn.org)

Larry Snyder, www.rn.org

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Miguel_Clavo says on Aug 14, 2007, 17:27:

There is a saying that reads "Misery Loves Company", and after reading some of the comments on this thread, it is obvious "Paranoids Love Company" as well.....if you are afraid of your own shadow, or to leave the safety of your own home, then stay the FoQ in your home! How sad is a person who is afraid to venture out of his "comfort zone", or rather, how pathetic.....As a foreigner to any country, including your own, you can be killed/robbed/punked/stabbed/kidnapped/or forced to become a biaaachhhh........so it is only a matter of the Paranoia Factor......the tourist death rate and victimization rates pales in comparison to all the successful visits and living expats in Colombia....so if one is STUPID, one becomes a victim in any country......if one in a P at ssy and/or a coward, then stay the Foq out of another country if you are not a native......it is VERY possible for a foreigner, whether a visitor or expat in Colombia to live a long life, and to die of NATURAL CAUSES in Colombian....actually, quite a few Colombians die of NATURAL CAUSES in Colombia too.....

and to put any credibility on the handful of PBH people living in Colombia who have their own inherent paranoias to begin with, is laughable...For the People thinking about visiting or relocating to Colombia, there is no need to pack a box of Depends, bring a bulletproof vest, garlic, or a silver clavo for Colombian draculas..........(jaja)...........go there yourself, see for yourself, you will survive, and probably die of NATURAL CAUSES, then come back and post how Colombia really is, except for the Paranoids......who are paranoid no matter where they live.....

El Titiritero ...jajaja....Feel Free to Disagree with Me..... Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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gabolicious says on Aug 14, 2007, 17:47:

people, all your experiences here are welcomed... as long as you state them with respect... saying that Colombia is still dangerous is because you have felt that way... maybe I see it in a different way, maybe not...

The thing is that yes Colombia is getting better and yes there is still so much work to do about it, we know it!

Some people will agree or disagree with us, but as I said before, as long as you state your point of view with respect, it's ok with me... whatever it is a good or bad experience in Colombia, I am very interested in listening, cause at the end of the day is my country you're talking about, because it the way a foreigner sees Colombia, very different from a colombian's point of view.

Some people here will judge you.

So let's be plural and do not take for granted an opinion, let's be tolerant, and let's pay attention to someone else's experiences.

Elección no canonización....

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Miguel_Clavo says on Aug 14, 2007, 17:51:

hey Gabo, anyone ever call you Henry Kissinger? jajajajajjaj

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gabolicious says on Aug 14, 2007, 17:57:

Jajajajajajaja compadre!!!! don MC!!!!

well no, actually you are the first one....

Elección no canonización....

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gabolicious says on Aug 14, 2007, 18:15:

jajajajajajaja no codazzi I don't think so... I don't think I would stay alive that much, cause I will always be trying to be concealing people... and a diplomat works for "some" interests... I could not be a diplomat, they will kill me at once!!!... LOL

But I am a voluntario for the poorest people here in Mexico... y cuando llegue a Colombia, no sé si pueda cambiar la situación, pero pondré mi granito de arena para que las cosas cambien poquito a poquito... en eso se trabaja todos los dias...

=D

Elección no canonización....

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Miguel_Clavo says on Aug 14, 2007, 18:18:

i think Gabo would be either a great Diplomat for Colombia, or a great Moderator for PBH...jajajjaja......he has great wisdom, lots of common sense, and has outstanding arbitration skills.......now, i can compliment another male poster without calling him "BIG".....now that was Disgustingggggggggggggggggggggggggggg..even worse the recipient willingly accepted it.....gross....jajajaja..

El Titiritero ...jajaja....Feel Free to Disagree with Me..... Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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gabolicious says on Aug 14, 2007, 18:23:

Nah!! lo que pasa es que vos Don MC eres mi amigo!!!!

O ya te echaste para atrás cabrón? =D

jajajajajajajajajaja

(vos sabès que "cabron" es con cariño no?) jajajajajajajaja

Elección no canonización....

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billyb says on Aug 14, 2007, 18:23:

OP, has called them FRAC twice so far, maybe in another three years in Colombia he will realize it's the FARC :)

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goin_south says on Aug 14, 2007, 18:24:

oohhh, come on, codaffi;
a bottle of Sailor Jerry's, por favor.

When I was 20, I was worried about what everyone thought. When I was 40, I didn't care what anyone thought. When I was 50, I realized... NO ONE WAS EVER THINKING ABOUT ME :-))

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Miguel_Clavo says on Aug 14, 2007, 18:48:

i must really have struck a nerve with you, robi..but as you only commented on the posts of others, i was not really directing my comments towards you personally.......But since i do not know you to be one who tends to fabricate stories like the Bogota Storyteller, i will address your comments on the basis that you are providing accurate summaries to complex situations......

i am not saying that your experiences cannot happen...i am saying that in general, not every foreigner has the type of experiences and encounters that you have....a old car partner of mine, a veteran of 18 years of police work and a real good street cop, got shot on three (3) separate occasions during his career.....the last being a shotgun blast to his right chest area....each time his kevlar vest saved his ass....(((and, btw, made a great decision to leave police work and become a high school teacher in Bakersfield, CA where got stabbed in the stomach))))..is being a bullet magnet the typical experience of cops? No...98% complete their career without having to kill someone or getting shot...to my old partner was San Jose an unsafe city? hell yes.....to the other 98% was San Jose an unsafe city? hell no......so, everyone with active brain cells knows shit can happen in Colombia and other places....is your experience the same as the rest of the non-PBH posters living in Colombia the same? i dont think so...and i dont know what your individual Paranoia Factor is, either..as everyone has a different level at which the Pucker Factor kicks in......

and only the 2 shooting witnessed by you are actual first hand events..all the others are second hand info, and are not as reliable if offered as proof in support of your assertions.....

El Titiritero ...jajaja....Feel Free to Disagree with Me..... Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Miguel_Clavo says on Aug 14, 2007, 18:52:

and dont be trying to pick an argument with me just so that you can get out of buying me a beer when we meet!!!!!!!!!! jajajajjaja...

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lapaisadegabo says on Aug 14, 2007, 18:54:

gabo quiero conocerte mandame tu foto yo se que estas bien papy rico

se que bas a venir a bogota son panameña pero me gustan muchos los colombianos

te kiero conoser

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Miguel_Clavo says on Aug 14, 2007, 19:02:

lapaisadegabo......your handle is TFF! jajajaja....

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gabolicious says on Aug 14, 2007, 19:10:

"lapaisadegabo" me parece de muy mal gusto que estes poniendo ese tipo de comentarios...

te agradezco tu interes en conocerme pero ya tengo planes en Bogota

Elección no canonización....

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jaramillo says on Aug 14, 2007, 19:10:

There is a lot of fiction about Colombia. Today's New York Times has an article about Medellin and it speaks about the city's "Beautiful colonial architecture". LOL!!! I grew up in Medellin, and with the possible exception of the Veracruz I think there is not a single colonial structure left. Medallo has been PAVED from one end to the other. What a joke!

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danronian says on Aug 14, 2007, 19:14:

I don´t agree.

I am very much a gringo, with no Spanish skills yet, and I have had no problem here even when walking down the dark streets and visiting some of the countryside.

There are sections that shouldnt be visited, but that is common to any country.

The only difference with being here, and being in the US, is that here you need to be more alert and keep up on the news in certains areas to keep yourself safe.

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Miguel_Clavo says on Aug 14, 2007, 19:14:

so Gabo has a soulmate already....????.....you heartbreaker, Gabo!!...all those PBH hotties after tu cuerpito are going to be upset with you........jajajjajajaj...sort of like when Mrs PowWow posted her hilarious shit....jajajaja...

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gabolicious says on Aug 14, 2007, 19:18:

LOL Don MC, Gabo will be in trouble if all these PBH ladies read the stupid comment of la paisa... ademas que nombre!!!

LOL

Elección no canonización....

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Miguel_Clavo says on Aug 14, 2007, 19:22:

but robbi, if i lived next door to a Hells Angels clubhouse, i would be shitting bricks too......but, if i dont mess with them they dont mess with me......you have to be aware of your surroundings no matter where you visit or live......Colombia is no different......in California we have had a HUGE theft of aluminum problem on the freeways.....many guard rails that follow the curves on the freeways are made of aluminum....the bad guys, in the middle of the night, unbolt those 30 and 40 foot aluminum tubes which are the road barriers!!!....so metal theft is not exclusive to Colombia......now, i will be the first one to admit that if a foreigner gets whacked in Colombia, that for him/her, Colombia is unsafe and really sucks...but, for the other 99.99% of the people who die of natural caused, i would say it is safe......not 100%, but more safe than not......

El Titiritero ...jajaja....Feel Free to Disagree with Me..... Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Miguel_Clavo says on Aug 14, 2007, 19:26:

wow, estoy muy celoso, Gabo...it must be that killer avatur you have....i think a clavo and the verb clavar scares many chicas away.....jajajjaja...but what can i do? es mi nombre....sue my parents???

where did you meet lapaisadegabo??? parejas.com? inquiring minds want to know the inside scoop? and get ready for the PBH hotties to put you on blast! ajajajajjaaj..

El Titiritero ...jajaja....Feel Free to Disagree with Me..... Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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gabolicious says on Aug 14, 2007, 19:32:

"where did you meet lapaisadegabo??? parejas.com? inquiring minds want to know the inside scoop? and get ready for the PBH hotties to put you on blast! ajajajajjaaj.."

bueno de hecho no la conozco... aun.

me caes bien... tu ironía me hace reir! por eso eres mi compadre Don MC!!

Elección no canonización....

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gabolicious says on Aug 14, 2007, 19:35:

good night gentlemen...

Elección no canonización....

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manINred says on Aug 14, 2007, 19:37:

I generally agree with Miguel Clavo, it's easy to be paranoid wherever you are. Well, if you are generally paranoid to bto begin with. I thought Colombia was safe when i went, well I felt safish, never in inherent danger, but i didn't wander into the slums.

HOWEVER, Medellin and Antioquia had 150 homicides last week (feria de las flores induced) which is 3 times the amount that Toronto gets in a year, so I have to say, Colombia is quite a bit more dangerous in that respect.......................................

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lapaisadegabo says on Aug 14, 2007, 19:37:

¿te acompaño?

no te ballas Gabo

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Miguel_Clavo says on Aug 14, 2007, 19:40:

hey Robbi, since you live in SM did you ever run across that PBH poster who rented an apartment in SM, advertised that he was a professional photographer and was there on assignement to take photos for the Samaria of the Month calendar. He promised the girls, and i say girls, as several were underage, the customary fame and fortunes that comes with Calendar and Cover Girl publicity? Then once he bagged them en la cama, and got it on film, posted the photos (both decent and indecent) of such girls on a well known whore mongerer website under an alias? you ever run across him? he doesnt post here much since he was exposed for what he is and has done ...apparently the police were involved, and the mayors office as well........just curious if you ran across him...he is supposted to be in Manizales right not doing the same pervert scam..........

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jinksmiester says on Aug 14, 2007, 19:45:

I feel colombia has its share of dangers and problems but common sense can go a long way if a person uses it.I follow advice and ask advice from people i know and trust there who will steer me in the right direction.Its very different from where i live (CANADA)...here i would,nt need to worry if i want to hop in a car and travel right across the country....still there,s places here that can get you in trouble too...but its not a comparison to colombia.Living period ..involves some risk ,but i want to see and exsperience( as in living and having a life).
I do have concern about where i travel and what i do in colombia..id bet everybody does,but i also believe great strides have been accomplished and colombia is on the right track.
Hopefully in time colombia will continue to improve to the point that it loses the reputation that its not safe that is still very prevalent here in canada ...the u.s. and elsewhere.Believe me ...ive had manny people ask ..is it safe?....

A man is not old until regret takes the place of dreams

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jinksmiester says on Aug 14, 2007, 19:53:

My answer is that its beautiful and that using common sense ive never had a problem...and i also say that its a lot different and secure than it was 20 years ago...and not to believe everything you may read in a news paper.......colombia is not the only country that requires common sense....shit happens everywhere

A man is not old until regret takes the place of dreams

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Miguel_Clavo says on Aug 14, 2007, 19:56:

take care, robi......and make codazzi buy the beer, he has lots of PBH Gringo $$s....jajajja..

El Titiritero ...jajaja....Feel Free to Disagree with Me..... Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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billyb says on Aug 14, 2007, 20:00:

Robi, that pic of the cove is killer.

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podborski says on Aug 14, 2007, 20:04:

you have to think some day, people will pay a fortune to live near a place like that.

But will it be in 5 years or 25?

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Miguel_Clavo says on Aug 14, 2007, 20:04:

damn...i have to add SM to my list of places para "checkiar" ....jajajja.....great photo, robi......

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billyb says on Aug 14, 2007, 21:40:

Nice pics, Cod.

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Miguel_Clavo says on Aug 14, 2007, 21:48:

hey Cod, isnt billyb just talking up a storm tonight????.....i sure wish he would just stop talking so much.......no one can get in a word edgewise!!!!!!!!!!!

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billyb says on Aug 14, 2007, 21:58:

So it's not Creditazzi? Don't get me started MC jaja.

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billyb says on Aug 14, 2007, 22:02:

Actually watching a documantaryon the Marie Celeste, pretty weird stuff.

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goin_south says on Aug 14, 2007, 22:06:

one of those coves look like the ultimate place for a PBH MEETUP.

When I was 20, I was worried about what everyone thought. When I was 40, I didn't care what anyone thought. When I was 50, I realized... NO ONE WAS EVER THINKING ABOUT ME :-))

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Miguel_Clavo says on Aug 14, 2007, 22:07:

hey, anyone hear from goin_south lately??? havent heard from Daffy Duck lately??? anyone???

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Miguel_Clavo says on Aug 14, 2007, 22:08:

salsa lesson #2 coming up on thursday....woooohoooooo! jajajajjaaj...

El Titiritero ...jajaja....Feel Free to Disagree with Me..... Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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goin_south says on Aug 14, 2007, 22:13:

I'm quite worried about one of our pbh members.... M_C... (or, was it C_M???, ... no se)... I have not seen a post from 'm in quite a long time... ANY ONE? ... ANY ONE HEAR FROM HIM? Eres mejicano.... no? More reason to worry... Gabo??? UUUU noooo????

When I was 20, I was worried about what everyone thought. When I was 40, I didn't care what anyone thought. When I was 50, I realized... NO ONE WAS EVER THINKING ABOUT ME :-))

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billyb says on Aug 14, 2007, 22:16:

meant to say "documentary on" So, has anybody heard from Clavo or Going-south lately?

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Miguel_Clavo says on Aug 14, 2007, 22:24:

what duck???

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Miguel_Clavo says on Aug 14, 2007, 22:32:

isnt that video from the payaso who owns that whorehouse in Medelllin, the Medellin Mansion? and claims it isnt....???? who also posts on all the whoremonger websites???

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goin_south says on Aug 14, 2007, 22:33:

This is 4 U all,....including Mario... who I can't get through to:

Una Mejicana Linda: "Algo está cambiando"

When I was 20, I was worried about what everyone thought. When I was 40, I didn't care what anyone thought. When I was 50, I realized... NO ONE WAS EVER THINKING ABOUT ME :-))

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goin_south says on Aug 14, 2007, 22:35:

Not bad, 4 a Freakin Mexican!!!
eat yer heart out, gabo...M_C... Strobers... where R U?

When I was 20, I was worried about what everyone thought. When I was 40, I didn't care what anyone thought. When I was 50, I realized... NO ONE WAS EVER THINKING ABOUT ME :-))

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goin_south says on Aug 14, 2007, 22:37:

COLOMBIA IS NOT SAFE.
I'M READY TO RIGHT MY OWN POST.

When I was 20, I was worried about what everyone thought. When I was 40, I didn't care what anyone thought. When I was 50, I realized... NO ONE WAS EVER THINKING ABOUT ME :-))

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Miguel_Clavo says on Aug 14, 2007, 22:43:

cuidado...the evil anti-mexico forces of darkness will be going after you for that.......

how about this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9INIKltDfs

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Miguel_Clavo says on Aug 14, 2007, 22:44:

whats the big deal? i have four chicas hanging on the coat hooks in my house? you dont!!!!!?????........jajajjaja

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Miguel_Clavo says on Aug 14, 2007, 22:49:

C U tatertots laters......going to Arnold Town in the morning....to tell Governor Schwartzenegger what a bungholio Governor Potatohead he is....jajajjaj

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goin_south says on Aug 14, 2007, 23:37:

That ahappend 2 me 1X 2... and now U don't have 2 wonder any more.

When I was 20, I was worried about what everyone thought. When I was 40, I didn't care what anyone thought. When I was 50, I realized... NO ONE WAS EVER THINKING ABOUT ME :-))

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goin_south says on Aug 14, 2007, 23:39:

But, I was pullin on her head....and, it jus came off.
BUT I DID GIVE IT BACK TO HER ON A SILVER PLATTER.

When I was 20, I was worried about what everyone thought. When I was 40, I didn't care what anyone thought. When I was 50, I realized... NO ONE WAS EVER THINKING ABOUT ME :-))

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gabolicious says on Aug 15, 2007, 06:07:

"if you are gringo and want to live here you better adapt to your environment very fast and not think you are transplanted from the US to Colombia"

good advice GIB

calling the police in Latinamerican countries whenever you have a problem...sadly GIB you are right that does not apply for most of latin countries

Elección no canonización....

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paisa29 says on Aug 15, 2007, 06:12:

Mainred... where did you get that?
HOWEVER, Medellin and Antioquia had 150 homicides last week (feria de las flores induced) which is 3 times the amount that Toronto gets in a year, so I have to say, Colombia is quite a bit more dangerous in that respect.......................................


It was 4 people killed ,3 because one stupid drunk in la cabagalta and 1 for stealing the horse.
We have more deaths caused by car accidents than violence these days, even adding this they were not 150.

"Fill the earth with the light and warmth of hospitality" Conrad Hilton

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billyb says on Aug 15, 2007, 06:20:

I read the same thing as Paisa29, 3 killed by a jealous drunk and one for his horse. Manlred, can you post a source for your 150 killed in a week in Medellin?

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Miguel_Clavo says on Aug 15, 2007, 06:38:

That is the number of killed using the GIB Factor: 3 deaths times (X) the GIB Factor of 50 (blowing it all out of proportion) = 150.............i thought everyone knows that Colombia times the GIB Factor = IRAQ!!!!!!

El Titiritero ...jajaja....Feel Free to Disagree with Me..... Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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billyb says on Aug 15, 2007, 06:47:

GIB, unfortunately the one shot was not the thief, but the owner of the horse.

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LA_MONA says on Aug 15, 2007, 06:51:

Ah que pesar ;-( que mas paisita como estas?

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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billyb says on Aug 15, 2007, 06:56:

It is kind of strange getting killed in the middle of a modern metropolis for your horse. Only in Colombia kinda thing.

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paisa29 says on Aug 15, 2007, 06:56:

bien, gracias y tu monita?
Aquí leyendo los chismes, imaginate fueron 4 asesinados en la feria y estan hablando de 150, eso si que es un chisme.

"Fill the earth with the light and warmth of hospitality" Conrad Hilton

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LA_MONA says on Aug 15, 2007, 07:00:

Yo bien paisita. Los chismes nunca faltan, y como te fue en la feria? Un dia tendre que ir a Medellin y me enseñas tu ciudad que piensas?

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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billyb says on Aug 15, 2007, 07:01:

Paisa, some people are just full of BS.

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LA_MONA says on Aug 15, 2007, 07:02:

Billy just say how you feel, express yourself ;-)

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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billyb says on Aug 15, 2007, 07:06:

Jaja Mona, I will make an effort to express myself more forcefully in the future :)

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gabolicious says on Aug 15, 2007, 08:07:

150 got killed???

sería muy bueno que nos pongan un link de la fuente de donde surge este rumor...

que 150 personas hayan muerto sería una masacre a nivel internacional, y al menos acá en México no se ha dicho nada, solo hablan de lo bonito que es la fiesta y punto.

So if you guys can share with us where you got the news... that will be wonderful

thanks!!!

Elección no canonización....

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paisa29 says on Aug 15, 2007, 08:08:

Mona... pues la feria estuvo muy buena, hubo muchismimos eventos diferentes mas que todo culturales,parece que cada año tenemos un número mas alto de visitantes especialmente de el exterior, a pesar de que algunas personas paranoicas siguen enlodando la imagen del país con sus comentarios.
Yo solamente pude ir al desfile de chivas y flores, a Santa Elena y al desfile de silleteros, fue dificil asistir a mas eventos porque trabajo todo el día y ahora tambien estoy estudiando, pero en general la pasé super bien.
Pensé que conocías Medellín, bueno entonces cuando regreses a Colombia con mucho gusto te muestro mi hermosa ciudad.

Como van los masajes?

"Fill the earth with the light and warmth of hospitality" Conrad Hilton

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miamimike says on Aug 15, 2007, 08:21:

larryrn says on Tuesday August 14th, 2007 16:41:

Dude, I am in Envigado now, and have been roaming around Medellin for the last 3 weeks and feel more safe than I did in Coral Springs. I was at the University EAFIT in El Poblado and every day walked or took cabs around Medellin/El Pablado and Envigado and didn't feel at all to be in a threat like condition. I even spend many hours in various local bars in Envigado many blocks from the main avenue (El Poblado at all hours of the night). So my friend, I disagree with your statement that Colombia is not safe. And yes, I have been in La Costa many times for as much as 3 weeks at a time..

I can take you to bad places in Ft Lauderdale and Miami.

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Larry my Friend, we are going to read about you in the News someday or see your story on te 11pm news some evening,,,

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droble77 says on Aug 15, 2007, 08:28:

GIB, just one thing. I don't think anyone here (except for maybe one guy I noticed above) is saying Colombia is "COMPLETELY SAFE" as you shouted out all in caps (although "This is not a macho thing either" your post sure sounded like the typical wanna-be alpha-male of PBH posturing you do all the time here).

I know NYC like the back of my hand, and I know there are things I can do here (like walk alone on certain streets I'm familiar with at 3:00 in the morning, and then hail a cab) that I would never do in Colombia. Even in Poblado, after about nineish, except for the obvious areas where the clubs/bars are clustered, the streets are pretty dead and don't look particularly welcoming.

I'm not going to be comment on places I haven't been to. But it's been said on this site a gazillion times already: the typical areas where visitors go are relatively safe AS LONG AS you take the normal precautions that have been discussed here ad nauseum. . . !!

I always watch what I'm drinking, I always go out assuming I might get cased or robbed, I follow a protocol that minimizes the risks. If something does happen, it'll be because of bad luck, not from being stupid. I can only control so much, the rest I don't worry about. I try to blend in, I find it amusing when locals ask ME for directions. . . and no GIB, I doubt it was a burundanga or casing scam. :-)

In short, I don't think anyone here is saying that they are free to act like I've seen some people in Cancun, or some of the smaller mellow Caribbean islands like St. Maarten. A local might be able to get away with making a drunken ass of himself on the street, but not a turista. ;))

In conclusion: something bad and scary may very well happen to me but I'm not going to obsess over it either. If I did, I'd be in my NYC apartment all the time listening to music but that gets boring after a while. :-)

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Lowell says on Aug 15, 2007, 08:58:

Now the peso is rising. If it rises enough, more Gringos will be in Colombia. More Gringos means more honey for the bees. More honey, more bees.

Alfred E. Newman. "What. Me Worry?"

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Lowell says on Aug 15, 2007, 11:01:

When I spot a person with a concealed weapon, I exit stage left. Don't want to know them ,be near them ....

Alfred E. Newman. "What. Me Worry?"

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vicshere says on Aug 15, 2007, 11:14:

so Lowell if we meet for a beer your not going to join me...cause I am usually packing

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vicshere says on Aug 15, 2007, 11:19:

here's one BIG last year I was standing outside my local near the market...the neighbor pulled up in his car...he owns the bolo place across the street.....anyway the guy parks in front of his place.....goes and opens the door to his bolo place..then he calls out to the wife to come inside...the wife I guess were pissed off with each other and doesn't want to exit the car....the guys screams to her a few times but she is not getting out..the guys finally gets so pissed... he pulls a revolver from his belt and fires 2 shoots into the air...scared the shit out of me as I wasn't waiting for it...anyway the wife got out of the car dam fast

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panthdave says on Aug 15, 2007, 12:01:

Would of been interesting if the wife then pulled a gun out too...That would of been a show...

panthdave Miami

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Lowell says on Aug 15, 2007, 12:12:

Vic maybe an exception for you. Depends on the place.

Alfred E. Newman. "What. Me Worry?"

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Lowell says on Aug 15, 2007, 12:13:

I packed a gun every day for nearly 20 yrs. It's now kind of a relief not to do that anymore.

Alfred E. Newman. "What. Me Worry?"

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Lowell says on Aug 15, 2007, 12:17:

Went to the range with my wife who had never held a gun in her life. The first eight that she shot all hit body mass. The second eight were in the black. I took the gun away from her and never let her shoot again. With an eye that good I'd need all the chances I can make, should I ever have needed to make a run for it. Did I mention that she was a very firey redhead?

Alfred E. Newman. "What. Me Worry?"

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droble77 says on Aug 15, 2007, 15:26:

GIBster, you said:

"giving advice to run out of a bar at the first sign of a argument or stating that I have ran out of a bar when senior gun made an appearance??? This is macho male posturing to you??

Shit! Where do you live in NYC? Greenwich Village?"

Actually, that is good advice. I've done it several times myself in NYC. . . but that applies in many places in the world, not just Colombia. You just don't get it. The posturing comes from your entire attitude, it's seeped with it. But I don't really care all that much, I just like to mess with you that's all. . . ;0)

Where do I live?
I've lived in the Lower East Side all my life. It's made quite some changes over the years though not as dramatic as Colombia's. But still, there's always a sad story. Some years back, a 19-year old kid who lived on my floor was stabbed and killed in a stupid fight over a girl. He wasn't that bad of a kid, but he hung out with the wrong crowd. . . and it ended up costing him his life.

So I know something about young hispanic delinquent kids robbing people, and then getting killed at an early age. Happens in the States. Happens all over Latin America. Remember dude. I'm not all gringo. If it wasn't for my upbringing, that 19 year old kid could have been me.

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Robert Jorge says on Aug 15, 2007, 15:30:

Noticed a comment or two about the number of Colombians who own and carry weapons. It is amazing the differences in perspectives two different people can have, depending on the area they live or the people they are around. When I lived in Villavicencio, I NEVER saw anybody carrying openly or concealed. (I am pretty good at spotting a concealed gun too) I am not including obviously the police, military, or private security. I just didn't see it with normal citizens. I saw gun-play one time. Actually, I heard it. The people across the street got in an argument and some dude shot a .38 in the air. But besides that, nada. (Which is more than fine for me) Private security sure likes their pump action, 12 gauge, short barrel shotguns though. Even outside of Club Kuarzo, the parking attendants carried scatterguns.

"You can not take the barrio out of the girl you really can't." Oneforamillion

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panthdave says on Aug 15, 2007, 16:44:

Ready GIB get your ass to Medellin for a weekend...Will have that beer and shot.....

panthdave Miami

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vicshere says on Aug 15, 2007, 19:33:

woow just back from work missed all the comments yippers....Lowell anyday you want to have a beer bud.....I only carry now when I go to the bank or to some unsavory areas...unfortunately I can't carry at school...dam school wouldn't allow guns in schools ...but its ok for the kiddies to bring them in their backpacks...Lowell I actually made my own carry system... I have actually made into the Bank Republica a couple of times after a pat down by the dumbass security guy and I have also passed a pat down by a dumb ass cop on the street when I was riding my moto.....anyway.....back to the OP...some areas of Colombia are safe some areas are unsafe.....just like anywhere else.....1)you have to watch where you are and who's around....and 2)know enough when its time to get out of dodge...and normally you shouldn't let yourself get into such trouble to pull out your gun...if you have to pull your gun you have fucked up 1&2 and your going to be in big shit

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Miguel_Clavo says on Aug 15, 2007, 20:16:

everyone has a sad internet story to tell.....we are all victims in life......whoa is me....poor poor me.....forced me to be Bad Bad Leroy Brown.........pobrecitos.......=)...pura caca....

El Titiritero ...jajaja....Feel Free to Disagree with Me..... Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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manINred says on Aug 15, 2007, 22:13:

Yes, I was perplexed when I was told about 150 deaths in a week, it is hard to believe to say the least.

It was my exGirlfriend who gave me the number, she told me about a bunch of horrible stuff happening right now. I'll ask her to get the source and then post it.

That aside, I still maintain that Medellin is much less safe than Toronto, however I've had bad stuff go down here. Actually, Toronto gets less safe it seems with each passing month.

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manINred says on Aug 15, 2007, 22:22:

Mad cow? not as far as I'm aware. SARS yeah, but at least it brought the city a great concert.

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manINred says on Aug 15, 2007, 22:22:

Mad cow? not as far as I'm aware. SARS yeah, but at least it brought the city a great concert.

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manINred says on Aug 16, 2007, 06:11:

Yeah it is, with upsides and downsides like everywhere. I like it at least.

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deathnova says on Aug 16, 2007, 08:09:

On the subject of "packing," is one allowed to carry in Colombia? Permits required?

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vicshere says on Aug 16, 2007, 08:18:

yes and yes

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manINred says on Aug 16, 2007, 18:02:

"the countryside can go fuck itself"

hahahaha, that's one of the funniest things I've read on this site. I agree to an extent, I could probably never live in the countryside, too narrow for me, however I love chillin' there sometimes, if there's water.

I was shitting bricks after I realized how dangerous it was for me to go from pasto and popayan on the nightbus 2 years ago. 3 of the 6 buses that night were stopped and robbed.

Still waiting on that source... i doubt a real source will come though by the sounds of skeptism here ;)

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manINred says on Aug 16, 2007, 18:56:

Local radio news is the source. I can therefore neither confirm nor deny the accuracy of the 150 deaths in a week.

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Robert Jorge says on Aug 17, 2007, 00:40:

I love the countryside. I feel much more comfortable around or outside of Villavo, Acacias, or Grenada than traipsing around Bogota. Not that what I feel more comfortable doing is safer necessarily than hanging out in a giant city, but that is just me. Everybody has their comfort-zone. I guess I am a country boy ... can't help it. I am sure (Heaven forbid it ever happening) a run-in with some FARC or other nasties would change my outlook.

"You can not take the barrio out of the girl you really can't." Oneforamillion

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bickerss says on Aug 17, 2007, 03:07:

What is safe to someone is not safe to others. I have wandered around many cities in colombia, in various parts, at various parts of the day / night and have yet to have a serious problem. Does that mean everywhere is safe - no. Does that mean something will never happen to me - no. Do i take precautions - yes. Are there some areas I will be sure to get mugged etc - yes. Are the areas I cant go - yes. But that is also the same for every place in the world. Do I feel safe in Colombia yes.

IMO - in general as a tourist or someone living in colombia, you will not have problems normally, as long as you are sensible, take general precautions etc. If you try and take on the locals, abuse the women, hassle into the drug trade - then yeah; I think you will have a lot more problems tthan you would in say Australia, the USA etc.

I was just back in my country two months ago and felt much more unsafe there. I was really surprised at how thuggish it was; people brawling in the streets, gangs of young adults harrassing people at night, youths trashed out on drugs. People very aggresive during the day. Everything is relative.

For me Colombia is much safer than Peru, Bolivia, Brazil, Argentina. I get far less hassle here than I do there.

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billyb says on Aug 17, 2007, 06:39:

The countryside is the soul of Colombia, anybody that just wants to stay in the city is missing a vital part of what makes Colombia what it is, both good and bad. Might as well stay in NY or Toronto or wherever.

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billyb says on Aug 17, 2007, 07:08:

Robi, exactly.

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manINred says on Aug 17, 2007, 07:35:

Obv you gotta visit it, or spend considerable time there. Pues que lastima no estar en un lugar tan hermoso, como Colombia hay tanto campo divino...... but if you are going to live somewhere, in my opinion, cities are where it's at, and cities are very different by nature, so staying in TO or NY is completely different from staying in Buenos Aires or Medellin, so I don't know where you're coming from billyb by implying that all cities are the same.

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billyb says on Aug 17, 2007, 07:42:

My point is that if you blindfold someone and drop them off in the middle of any large cosmopolitan city, they'd have a hard time telling what makes one different from the other (of course i'm exagerating a bit for effect), but the heart of a culture starts in the countryside. I love living in cities, but have to get away as often as I can, after a while every building looks like the next, but you never get tired of seeing beautifull paisajes.

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BAQ says on Aug 17, 2007, 11:19:

GUYS, ok, try this, when you are here, BUY A COPY OF EACH NEWPAPER that is sold on the street in the city you are in. You will see DAILY the photos of poeple laying in a pool of blood with a bullet or two in their head. AND FOR WHAT, so someone could steal their TWENTY DOLLAR CELL PHONE, or because the bandit got mad because the victim only had 10 or 20 thousand pesos on him. ect ect ect.

I dont want to put words on anyones mouth, but I THINK what most of us who live here are trying to say is UNDERSTAND the country you are in, UNDERSTAND this is not America, UNDERSTAND that the paras have come into the cities after disarming and have now formed violent gangs which is making the streets more dangerous.

If ya still dont believe me, come over to Barranquilla NOW, I will personally show you what I am talking about. It is SO BAD here right now that 600 police have been brought in from Bogota, the military has transfered an entire BRIGADE here and ON AVERAGE, 2-4 people are heing assasinated in the street every day. AND, this does not count the amount of armed robberies and assaults that do not result in a shooting.

I am not paranoid, I am only stating the FACTS, in real time, as they exhist TODAY. I dont hide in my home, I get out in my car every day, in fact last sunday the wife and I I drove to Cartagenia for the day. So its not being paranoid when we tell you it is dangerous, we are only giving those who ask THE FACTS so you will be more aware of your surroundings, understand the risks and hopefully have a safe trip while you are here.

Semper Fidelis !

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Miguel_Clavo says on Aug 17, 2007, 11:40:

THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!!! THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!!! THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!!! THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!!! THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!!! THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!!! THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!!!

~~~ Sr Chicken Little

people are murdered everyday in the US....give me a break...but the photos are not printed, because US citizens are more interested in Macy White sales, American Idol, Jerry Springer dramas, Oprah's diets, and Paris Hiltonettes......it may be news to you guys, but shit happens everywhere everyday.....it is all in ones perception....

El Titiritero ...jajaja....Feel Free to Disagree with Me..... Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Miguel_Clavo says on Aug 17, 2007, 12:28:

in the US unless you are a deranged nut who kills multiple people at a time, who in the US gives a rats ass about it? certainly not the national media, and most definitely not the local media.....people want to know the lottery and powerball numbers, which celebrity is nailing which celebrity.........not the killings...how boring! ..the US is a big place, and the awareness factor of what goes on here with regards to crime victims is almost negligible .....just another fact of life......and life goes on and goes on...now, of course, there are spike in crime, like you mention...but that is "normal" so to speak in many areas......killings go up in hot weather, full moons, etc......

El Titiritero ...jajaja....Feel Free to Disagree with Me..... Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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eldorado says on Aug 17, 2007, 20:29:

Colombia may not be the safest place on earth but it has so many positive things
But things must be taken in perspective....is South LA Safe? is DC safe?
If an American will be killed in Bogota the state department will issue a travel warning alert to Colombia
Innocent citizens are killed daily in LA, Phoenix, Houston, DC, New Jersey... to say the least....does the state department issue a travel warning alert not to visit these cities?

I do believe that in any country where you have many poor and few very rich and fairly small middle class you will find it to be unsafe...maybe Asia is the only exception

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RussianFred says on Aug 17, 2007, 20:54:

A major reason we all are here is the "Chicas". Colombia has the most beautiful women in the world - my opinion.

Eldorado, South LA has no organization that is Anti-American. The FARC will kill anyone. Sorry terrorist and murderers are different. Murderer don't bomb police hqs.

Annual Drug Deaths: Tobacco: 395,000, Alcohol: 125,000, 'Legal' Drugs: 38,000, Illegal Drug Overdoses: 5,200, Marijuana: 0. Considering government subsidies of tobacco, just what is our government protecting us from in the drug war?--Ralph Nader

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billyb says on Aug 17, 2007, 21:20:

"A major reason we all are here is the "Chicas". Colombia has the most beautiful women in the world - my opinion."

Yes, if you are a foreigner, but there are a few million Colombians that live there for other reasons, although if you are male, your reason is amongst the top ones :)

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panthdave says on Aug 18, 2007, 06:34:

Comes down to Pro's and Con's...everywhere end of story...If we didn't have pro's and con's the scale will be lop sided...and life would be boring..

panthdave Miami

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BAQ says on Aug 18, 2007, 11:37:

MIGUEL, you are correct, homicides occur in the large cities all the time in the U.S. And ELDORADO, you are also correct, colombia has MANY POSITIVE things, I LOVE THIS COUNTRY, in not, I would move back to Texas, the point I and others are trying to make is that at this moment, VIOLANT CRIME has spiked here at a very alarming rate. Also, consider factoring in the size of these cities compared to the USA. When you factor the number of violant crimes per day vs the population of the cities, Barranquilla, Santa Marta, cartagenia, Bogota ect. the % in mathmatical numbers is much higher than the U.S. I am not crying the sky is falling, nor are the others who are posting on this thread. I will repeat what I said earlier, we just want those of you who are planning to visit here to be aware of the problem and keep it in mind. Don´t be scared, just be INFORMED.

On the rise on the coast, PUBLIC BUS TAKE OVERS. This is what they do, One guy enters the bus, pulls a gun, ususally a 9mm and tells the driver not to stop, he then cleans out the passangers, taking money, jewelry, cell phones, watches ect. Then tells the driver to stop, he gets off the bus and hops onto the motorcycle ridden by his buddy who has been following the bus and they are gone. In the most recent incident an off duty cop here was on a bus when it happened and was shot twice in the chest when he tried to stop the robbery. Am I telling you not to take the bus, NO, am I suggesting you keep this in mind when you know you are going to take the bus regarding to how much cash or jewelry to wear, YES.

I think in the big picture everyone here on PBH wants the others to have a good time while visiting here, get good info about plans for moving here or ehlp with a specific issue, and that is what PBH is all about. Yes, the occasional TROLL pops up to stur up the shit, but the vast majority of us are trying to help the others. We may not always agree but I dont think most who post here do so with malace. Just a thought.

Semper Fidelis !

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eldorado says on Aug 18, 2007, 11:43:

Thanks BAQ !
I always respect honest reports that tell the truth and do not paint everything rosy...and by that can misleed persons

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RussianFred says on Aug 21, 2007, 00:22:

Colombia rebels kidnap Swedish citizen
POSTED: 1635 GMT (0035 HKT), May 18, 2007

. A Swedish national was kidnapped from his home in Colombia
. Police and governor's office blame the leftist guerrilla group, the FARC
. The man had been helping build a hydroelectric plant in Cordoba province
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BOGOTA, Colombia (Reuters) -- Colombian leftist guerrillas have kidnapped a Swedish citizen and his female companion from his home in a northern province, authorities said on Friday.
Six gunmen took the man, identified by a police official as Erin Larson, from his home in Cordoba province, where he had lived since working on the construction of a hydroelectric plant in the area, said Manuel Jimenez, an official at the Cordoba governor's office.
"It appears that it was a group from the FARC," he said.
Abductions by FARC -- the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia -- have decreased under President Alvaro Uribe, but the guerrillas still kidnap for ransom and political leverage.
The police official also blamed the FARC for his kidnapping. A representative at the Swedish Foreign Ministry would not identify the man, but confirmed the abduction of a Swede in Colombia on May 16.
The FARC, which began as a peasant army in the 1960s, is fighting a four-decade conflict, but has been pushed back into the jungles by Uribe's U.S.-financed security campaign. U.S. and Colombian officials say the FARC is deeply engaged in country's cocaine trafficking trade.

Annual Drug Deaths: Tobacco: 395,000, Alcohol: 125,000, 'Legal' Drugs: 38,000, Illegal Drug Overdoses: 5,200, Marijuana: 0. Considering government subsidies of tobacco, just what is our government protecting us from in the drug war?--Ralph Nader

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john_stark says on Aug 21, 2007, 05:44:

Jesus, dude, you keep posting that old story without mentioning that it was an inside job. His girlfriend was "released" shortly afterwards and the whole story came out.

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john_stark says on Aug 21, 2007, 05:48:

He was an old guy about 68 and it was his wife who was involved. She was 36 and apparently she and her family had some beef with him. She wasn't that good-looking but I guess for an old guy like him, he thought he was doing ok.

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RussianFred says on Aug 21, 2007, 06:30:

FYI - In most kidnapping or killings the girl always escapes. Hum?

Annual Drug Deaths: Tobacco: 395,000, Alcohol: 125,000, 'Legal' Drugs: 38,000, Illegal Drug Overdoses: 5,200, Marijuana: 0. Considering government subsidies of tobacco, just what is our government protecting us from in the drug war?--Ralph Nader

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Chelesupercono says on Aug 21, 2007, 14:24:

FYI - you never harm the wussy......

never go to bed with someone crazier then you are, you will do it and you will regret it.......

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la campiña (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 21, 2007, 14:56:

goin_south says on Aug 21, 2007, 20:58:

"...If an American will be killed in Bogota the state department will issue a travel warning alert to Colombia..."

Hey, you know how it is (we are) in the USA. It's the ol' 'cover your butt' for liability's sake, and also just to warn the Unaware KNUCKLEHEADS who are gonna cry about it after the fact. Or, the: "You can't say we didn't tell you" mode.

When I was 20, I was worried about what everyone thought. When I was 40, I didn't care what anyone thought. When I was 50, I realized... NO ONE WAS EVER THINKING ABOUT ME :-))

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RussianFred says on Aug 21, 2007, 21:07:

You PBH people are funny. Meet be in the jungle you will find out how safe it is in Colombia. We all risk our safety for Chicas. The US Government and the Media knows why we are here. Let's keep it real this place is risky. They bombed Police HQs, kidnap and murder people. I know it only happens to the other guy, he do something wrong!

Annual Drug Deaths: Tobacco: 395,000, Alcohol: 125,000, 'Legal' Drugs: 38,000, Illegal Drug Overdoses: 5,200, Marijuana: 0. Considering government subsidies of tobacco, just what is our government protecting us from in the drug war?--Ralph Nader

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goin_south says on Aug 21, 2007, 21:34:

Just because I made the trip en coche, con novia, from Cali to Pasto en la carreterra...without trouble... doesn't mean it was smart or safe. It was fun. It was only my second very brief stay in Colombia. I am still adventurous. I drove part of the way, without really knowing if I was 'legal' (hey, I wanted do 'do in Colombia, as they do, while I was there...jejj), and waved graciously at the police checkpoints as we passed.

But, I've had two colombians tell me in the last two weeks (not from this forum), that it was not a smart thing to do. (not the waving; MAKING THAT TRIP BY CAR!)

When I was 20, I was worried about what everyone thought. When I was 40, I didn't care what anyone thought. When I was 50, I realized... NO ONE WAS EVER THINKING ABOUT ME :-))

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houstongal (Trustee board) says on Aug 21, 2007, 21:36:

No GS, I think my Colombiano said you were crazy! ;-) But heck, we all knew that about ya!

"It is now official: there's no place on earth where you will not find a Peruvian band." David Sedaris

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goin_south says on Aug 21, 2007, 21:38:

You better go get your beauty rest!
(And, don't pull your hair back so tight ;))))

When I was 20, I was worried about what everyone thought. When I was 40, I didn't care what anyone thought. When I was 50, I realized... NO ONE WAS EVER THINKING ABOUT ME :-))

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houstongal (Trustee board) says on Aug 21, 2007, 21:39:

LOL! Hey, it's still early!

"It is now official: there's no place on earth where you will not find a Peruvian band." David Sedaris

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goin_south says on Aug 21, 2007, 21:42:

Oh! So, finally... now everyone knows, 'your colombiano'?
Jeeez, now maybe everyone will stop asking me, "whadup with the japanese chic?"

When I was 20, I was worried about what everyone thought. When I was 40, I didn't care what anyone thought. When I was 50, I realized... NO ONE WAS EVER THINKING ABOUT ME :-))

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christobeldawg says on Aug 21, 2007, 22:41:

dude go for it if your heart\gut tells you to. you know enough. more info at this point will only lead to mental masturbation

traveling hopefully is always better than arriving

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christobeldawg says on Aug 21, 2007, 22:43:

actually I can't remember which thread I am on at this point. just go for it, if it feels right. what? I know, I am lost on which thread is which. I am a mattress.

traveling hopefully is always better than arriving

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christobeldawg says on Aug 21, 2007, 22:46:

I am on the east coast, so I don't know which way is up at this time of night. I may be combining several unrelated posts at this point, but just go for it, alright. don't bother us about it.

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houstongal (Trustee board) says on Aug 21, 2007, 22:55:

ummmm....christobeldawg...are you trying to get this thread to 200 or are you just really tired? you're not making much sense!

"It is now official: there's no place on earth where you will not find a Peruvian band." David Sedaris

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goin_south says on Aug 21, 2007, 22:55:

Beldawg.... you said you were smoking what sort of legal herb?

When I was 20, I was worried about what everyone thought. When I was 40, I didn't care what anyone thought. When I was 50, I realized... NO ONE WAS EVER THINKING ABOUT ME :-))

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christobeldawg says on Aug 21, 2007, 23:07:

sorry houstongal. I am just running the numbers up at this point. I do what I can. I will make much more sense hopefully in a day or 2. g'night luv

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goin_south says on Aug 21, 2007, 23:16:

running numbers? or, ......

When I was 20, I was worried about what everyone thought. When I was 40, I didn't care what anyone thought. When I was 50, I realized... NO ONE WAS EVER THINKING ABOUT ME :-))

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christobeldawg says on Aug 21, 2007, 23:25:

i'm fine, really, gsouth. I will be back with my cutting edge insights soon. I am not on any Colombian imports, i promise. you guys expect too much of me. I just lost track of what post I was on.

traveling hopefully is always better than arriving

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houstongal (Trustee board) says on Aug 21, 2007, 23:25:

yeah GS, that's about as cryptic as his other comments!

"It is now official: there's no place on earth where you will not find a Peruvian band." David Sedaris

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christobeldawg says on Aug 21, 2007, 23:29:

remind me, both of you, to kick your respective butts manana

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christobeldawg says on Aug 21, 2007, 23:36:

o proposito, houstongal, when you can roll a ball, while lying on your back, with your feet, then you can give me grief

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goin_south says on Aug 22, 2007, 00:16:

given her perceived persona, Ctbdg,....I'm 'virtually' certain Houstongal can perform even greater FEATS....

An Old Japanese Legend has it that....

When I was 20, I was worried about what everyone thought. When I was 40, I didn't care what anyone thought. When I was 50, I realized... NO ONE WAS EVER THINKING ABOUT ME :-))

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john_stark says on Aug 22, 2007, 19:42:

I bet, christobeldawg, that she can do better things while lying on her back than rolling a ball. I bet she can empty a couple of balls.

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houstongal (Trustee board) says on Aug 22, 2007, 20:13:

LOL John!

"It is now official: there's no place on earth where you will not find a Peruvian band." David Sedaris

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christobeldawg says on Aug 22, 2007, 21:10:

well I said I would be more awake tonight, and time for some payback. Houstongal what does Johnstark mean by his remark? jaja

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houstongal (Trustee board) says on Aug 22, 2007, 21:14:

jaja! welcome to the night owls... your comments were pretty funny last night.

"It is now official: there's no place on earth where you will not find a Peruvian band." David Sedaris

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goin_south says on Aug 22, 2007, 21:16:

non-sensical; Kat1 should've been there to read that shtuff.

When I was 20, I was worried about what everyone thought. When I was 40, I didn't care what anyone thought. When I was 50, I realized... NO ONE WAS EVER THINKING ABOUT ME :-))

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christobeldawg says on Aug 22, 2007, 21:19:

but tonight I am back on my game. don't mess with me you 2. I can't take on both of you. glad to have provided a little entertainment at my expense.

traveling hopefully is always better than arriving

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houstongal (Trustee board) says on Aug 22, 2007, 21:31:

glad you got some rest and are in full form. i don't know about GS, but it was a late night yesterday and i'm weary!

"It is now official: there's no place on earth where you will not find a Peruvian band." David Sedaris

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christobeldawg says on Aug 22, 2007, 21:35:

as I recall, I did not not what thread I was running. glad you 2 enjoyed my groveling

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goin_south says on Aug 22, 2007, 21:58:

yeah, but....don't bogart the joint the next time ;)

When I was 20, I was worried about what everyone thought. When I was 40, I didn't care what anyone thought. When I was 50, I realized... NO ONE WAS EVER THINKING ABOUT ME :-))

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christobeldawg says on Aug 22, 2007, 22:01:

got it gs, I expect to be thrown out soon anyway, from what I have seen they don't seem to put up with too many offhand remarks

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goin_south says on Aug 22, 2007, 22:29:

yeah? then don't wear your feelings on your sleeve....

When I was 20, I was worried about what everyone thought. When I was 40, I didn't care what anyone thought. When I was 50, I realized... NO ONE WAS EVER THINKING ABOUT ME :-))

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christobeldawg says on Aug 22, 2007, 22:30:

that's not very nice, particularly for someone on the happiest list

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christobeldawg says on Aug 22, 2007, 22:40:

so that is where my feelings are, on my sleeve? I knew they were out there somewhere.

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christobeldawg says on Aug 22, 2007, 22:55:

uhoh you sound like a mod. I thought you were cool. sorry

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houstongal (Trustee board) says on Aug 22, 2007, 22:58:

GS is harmless Christo. He just gets a little crazy. He's cool.

"It is now official: there's no place on earth where you will not find a Peruvian band." David Sedaris

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christobeldawg says on Aug 22, 2007, 23:03:

thanks for the reassurance hg. I like gs, I was just thinkin he was maybe not so fond of me.

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goin_south says on Aug 22, 2007, 23:05:

I'M SO...HAPPY!!!!!!!!
i'M SO....HAPPY!!!!!!

When I was 20, I was worried about what everyone thought. When I was 40, I didn't care what anyone thought. When I was 50, I realized... NO ONE WAS EVER THINKING ABOUT ME :-))

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goin_south says on Aug 22, 2007, 23:07:

too many ""offhand"" remarks....wear em on your....."sleeve"

When I was 20, I was worried about what everyone thought. When I was 40, I didn't care what anyone thought. When I was 50, I realized... NO ONE WAS EVER THINKING ABOUT ME :-))

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goin_south says on Aug 22, 2007, 23:08:

CBDawg.... Don't let Michael Vick see ya!
jajejjjje....

You know his favorite song, don't ya?????

When I was 20, I was worried about what everyone thought. When I was 40, I didn't care what anyone thought. When I was 50, I realized... NO ONE WAS EVER THINKING ABOUT ME :-))

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christobeldawg says on Aug 22, 2007, 23:09:

well you were voted in as a happy camper, so I accept the results. what the duck?

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houstongal (Trustee board) says on Aug 22, 2007, 23:12:

Alright GS....you're the one not making any sense 2night! I'm going to bed. 2 late nights in a row aren't good for me! Night guys!

"It is now official: there's no place on earth where you will not find a Peruvian band." David Sedaris

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goin_south says on Aug 22, 2007, 23:15:

WHO LET THE DOGS OUTTTTTTTTTTT????????????????????

RUFF,...RUFF, RUFF, RUFF,RUFFFF..................

When I was 20, I was worried about what everyone thought. When I was 40, I didn't care what anyone thought. When I was 50, I realized... NO ONE WAS EVER THINKING ABOUT ME :-))

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christobeldawg says on Aug 22, 2007, 23:17:

well with houstongal a mattress, there is no sweet female to keep us civil gosouth. You're cool though, so no worries. I am a mattress as well. check in manana.

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goin_south says on Aug 22, 2007, 23:28:

Rubito, are you writing on the correct post? or, are you lost tonight, like the Dawg?
You scare the Fuck out of me, because I bet we both put foil over our college dormroom windows...TO KEEP THE FUKIN SUN OUT!

Do they have any Chicago-Style Pizza in Bogota?

When I was 20, I was worried about what everyone thought. When I was 40, I didn't care what anyone thought. When I was 50, I realized... NO ONE WAS EVER THINKING ABOUT ME :-))

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goin_south says on Aug 22, 2007, 23:31:

The Word, I've heard, in Colombia is............If you want to find work, then GO TO BOGOTA!
And, if 2 kids were already on their own.....
(God, I would try to avoid you,)... but.... I THINK I'D BE GOING_TO BOGOTA! jejj

When I was 20, I was worried about what everyone thought. When I was 40, I didn't care what anyone thought. When I was 50, I realized... NO ONE WAS EVER THINKING ABOUT ME :-))

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goin_south says on Aug 22, 2007, 23:50:

but, tourista... we're talking work and jobs, not rumba y chicas.

When I was 20, I was worried about what everyone thought. When I was 40, I didn't care what anyone thought. When I was 50, I realized... NO ONE WAS EVER THINKING ABOUT ME :-))

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goin_south says on Aug 22, 2007, 23:53:

Rubito is right on an analogy he's never made ;)
Bogota = Colombia's NYC.

When I was 20, I was worried about what everyone thought. When I was 40, I didn't care what anyone thought. When I was 50, I realized... NO ONE WAS EVER THINKING ABOUT ME :-))

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webmanco says on Aug 23, 2007, 05:27:

Tourista

Bogota is the place to be for business contacts, but as for Colobia flavor nope.
It is too far from Caribe coast and too far from Cali and always cold. You might well live Carcus, Vz or Panama city, Panama

I had to disagree on that one, Bogotá is Colombia, all the cities are represented in Bogotá.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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billyb says on Aug 23, 2007, 07:20:

Rubito, if you and the GF want a threesome at midnight in the country, do as Elmo would, just go to the corral and get the burra ;)

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billyb says on Aug 23, 2007, 07:44:

But you are right though, Rubi, fresh air, fresh food, clear starry nights, unpretentious people, hardbodied country girls, horse rides or hikes in the country, silence excpept for the sounds of nature, going into town on saturday night and partying with the locals is all overhyped. Specially when you compare it with the pleasures of the city, like breathing diesel fumes and listening to car horns honking all day.

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goin_south says on Aug 23, 2007, 09:02:

BOGATA-TA-TA-TA!
ME GUSTA, EL MEJOR!

When I was 20, I was worried about what everyone thought. When I was 40, I didn't care what anyone thought. When I was 50, I realized... NO ONE WAS EVER THINKING ABOUT ME :-))

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billyb says on Aug 23, 2007, 09:08:

GS, wouldn't that make you a duck out of water?

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billyb says on Aug 23, 2007, 14:22:

You need to get out of So. Bogota and find out there's whole country waiting there. Only a fool, or a foreigner that's too scared to, would not want to visit the countryside.

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Aug 24, 2007, 10:25:

City vs. countryside? I need both to be happy. Especially in Colombia with all those spaces, all the variety, all the climates, all those wonderful places that I haven't seen yet. Just looking at the photos on flickr PBH Photo contest fill me with a deep nostalgia and desire to see those places where I haven't been yet. No filthy, disease-ridden strip club can fill your mind with all the awe and respect for life that you get looking down from that big rock uphill from Coconucos , Cauca, with the town and the deep river gorge a thousand meters below and the central ridge meeting the eye beyond the river valley.

Take a walk upriver in Silvia, Cauca beyond the town, at midnight. Breath in the heady fragrance of eucalyptus blended with wild mountain mint and anis. Stop and look up! The sky is full of stars, brighter than any neon lights, lovelier than any flickering lamps at a red-light district.

I love Cali too, the sweet smell of camias in Juanambú, the whisper of the areca palms and the color of the sky after a thunderstorm over the Farallones. Nature is a part of us, a vital part and the human being who has lost that contact with the Nature, even living within the cities, shunning the natural light, hating everything that is wholesome and sane is lost within his /her inner chaos..

Cheers,
Desi

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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Gomezman5 says on Aug 24, 2007, 10:51:

CDG....

It's funny. I checked in here for the first time in a week or so, and the first thing I see is a thread with over 230 posts. I then thought that this thread can only be about one of two things:1. A combination of something involving Colombian women (girlfriends, a wife, prostitutes etc) or 2. Security............and Bingo.....how well I know this place. Security it was.

Look, I don't know who you are, but as much as your opening post is well intentioned, and for the most part correct, you really are wasting your time. No matter how well you set out your argument, no matter how logical it is, no matter how many stats, and sources to support those stats you cite, there are a bunch of goofs here that would not accept the information. These people would not believe you no matter what you write. It's a sorry state of affairs, but such is the case.

So many people have come and gone from this site, all the while making the same points, only to be blasted from here to oblvion by a bunch of people who find that the easiest way to debate this very issue is to just hurl personal insult after insult at the proponent of such an argument, with the hope of making people "just go away." {can't spell, poor grammar, bad Colombian, Cracker Jack lawyer (moderation said that) are just some examples] Of course, it works, inasmuch as moderation sits quietly on the sidelines, cheering on the attack squad, while at the same time making only token efforts to curtail the conduct. In the end, moderation can say they tried, (and they really think they did) and life returns to normal until the next person comes along. In fact, suffice to say, only GIB and myself, are the only people that have really stuck around. If there is a shining light in all of this, it is the same or almost the same people that lead the charge all the time. So it really should be easy for moderation to stop this. Obviously moderation does not frequent many web sites, because I have seen the moderators clamp down for far lessor things on the parrot forum I participate in.

Anyway, good comment.

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vicshere says on Aug 24, 2007, 10:54:

hey what about me G5 i have been around for a while to

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Tinto (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Aug 24, 2007, 10:57:

People get into arguments over parrots?

I wanted access to health care, housing and education, but, no, I get potholes, trash and silicone tits instead. -Desi.

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billyb says on Aug 24, 2007, 10:57:

Nice post Desi, couldn't have said it better.

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goin_south says on Aug 24, 2007, 10:59:

Would we be correct in assuming that you meant: CDH (the original poster?) rather than cdg?
I looked back through the whole post and could find no one represented by the letters, cdg.
...for clarification. GM5.

Me 2! Colombia is dangerous, but.....
... I like the adventure.
So far,....I M safe.
muchas gracias a Dios!

When I was 20, I was worried about what everyone thought. When I was 40, I didn't care what anyone thought. When I was 50, I realized... NO ONE WAS EVER THINKING ABOUT ME :-))

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Gomezman5 says on Aug 24, 2007, 11:10:

No Tinto, they don't argue per se over parrots. Actually, I think they get a little nuts sometimes. Here, according to our esteemed moderation, nasty attacks, words included, are allowed, as long it in some way attacks the idea or what someone said and not the person. On the other hand, in the parrot forum just the tone of your post can get you censored. For example, if you tell someone that you should do such and such, if you don't state that is your opinion, it is interpreted as being to strong of language. In other words, I think they over do it there. If we applied the same standards here, 80% of the regulars here would have been sanctioned.

They do one interesting thing though. Any kind of profanity.....any kind....even damn, shit and hell, will appear as an asterisk (*). It is not edited. It appears right after you click the post button. They must have a program for this.

And Vic.....yes, I left you out.....you're a great person and I have a lot of respect for you. Even when we have disagreed......(have we?) we are diplomatic.

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vicshere says on Aug 24, 2007, 11:14:

hey G5 thanks my sentiments exactly and the same to you....might I add their are posters on here who do not add anything of value to the discussion/post...but they are experts in attacks and slander on anyone who tries to help in a positive way

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Gomezman5 says on Aug 24, 2007, 11:19:

Exactly Vic......my sentiments exactly...

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Tinto (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Aug 24, 2007, 11:22:

Interesting idea. Rubito's posts would go something like this:

You guys are so full of *, you don't know what the * you're talking about, in Bogota it's fifty * times better; * Canada and the * U.S. have so * much to * learn, they better get their * act together or they're going down the * tubes. Don't * believe me? * you! I don't give a *. Grab a * deck chair on the * Titanic because you * * * going the * down. So * you, * your mother and * the * * horse you rode in on.

Viva live * music and mostly alive * whores.

I wanted access to health care, housing and education, but, no, I get potholes, trash and silicone tits instead. -Desi.

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Tinto (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Aug 24, 2007, 11:25:

nteresting idea. Rubito's posts would go something like this:

You guys are so full of *, you don't know what the * you're talking about, in Bogota it's fifty * times better; * Canada and the * U.S. have so * much to * learn, they better get their * act together or they're going down the * tubes. Don't * believe me? * you! I don't give a *. Grab a * deck chair on the * Titanic because you * * * going the * down. So * you, * your mother and * the * * horse you rode in on.

Viva * music and * whores.

I wanted access to health care, housing and education, but, no, I get potholes, trash and silicone tits instead. -Desi.

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Tinto (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Aug 24, 2007, 11:25:

nteresting idea. Rubito's posts would go something like this:

You guys are so full of *, you don't know what the * you're talking about, in Bogota it's fifty * times better; * Canada and the * U.S. have so * much to * learn, they better get their * act together or they're going down the * tubes. Don't * believe me? * you! I don't give a *. Grab a * deck chair on the * Titanic because you * * * going the * down. So * you, * your mother and * the * * horse you rode in on.

Viva * music and * whores.

I wanted access to health care, housing and education, but, no, I get potholes, trash and silicone tits instead. -Desi.

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Tinto (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Aug 24, 2007, 11:29:

Interesting idea. Rubito's posts would go something like this:

You guys are so full of *, you don't know what the * you're talking about, in Bogota it's fifty * times better; * Canada and the * U.S. have so * much to * learn, they better get their * act together or they're going down the * tubes. Don't * believe me? * you! I don't give a *. Grab a * deck chair on the * Titanic because you * are going * down. So * you, * your mother and * the * * horse you rode in on.

Viva * music and * whores.

I wanted access to health care, housing and education, but, no, I get potholes, trash and silicone tits instead. -Desi.

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gringoloid (Trustee board) says on Aug 24, 2007, 11:29:

G5...I couldn't agree with you more!

from 'kalder gets a clue' movie..''you piece of shit,, i never said Germany and the USA were secret allies''''i knew you were a pussy because you believe everything anybody tells you.'' ....GL does not suffer fools gladly.

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Aug 24, 2007, 11:32:

LOL, tinto.

Peter please give us mods the power to EDIT comments!
Rubito's post might read like this (after some editing):
You guys are so full of graceful whims you don't know what in the heaven you're talking about. Bogotá is fifty times rose-petals better. Bless Canada and bless the US...etc etc. you catch my drift? Oh dear....

Cheers,
Desi

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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goin_south says on Aug 24, 2007, 11:52:

Oh! And, may I add:

May God Bless You in your coming and in your going, Gomexman5!

When I was 20, I was worried about what everyone thought. When I was 40, I didn't care what anyone thought. When I was 50, I realized... NO ONE WAS EVER THINKING ABOUT ME :-))

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goin_south says on Aug 24, 2007, 11:53:

;):):)))))

When I was 20, I was worried about what everyone thought. When I was 40, I didn't care what anyone thought. When I was 50, I realized... NO ONE WAS EVER THINKING ABOUT ME :-))

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goin_south says on Aug 24, 2007, 11:57:

Hey, I could be wrong, but.... I think if one wants, they can still 'have tea with the Queen' over there on that other site ;)

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LA_MONA says on Aug 24, 2007, 12:16:

Tinto jaja

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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john_stark says on Aug 24, 2007, 23:26:

I think the toll booth scene at Los Cedros has got everything that you need. In Bogota you won't see a big iguana cross the road and have everybody take off after it salivating over how tasty it would be. That sucker was too fast though and escaped in a ditch. Maybe next time.

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goin_south says on Aug 24, 2007, 23:44:

had 2 read twice to make sure U were't talkin about the TRROLL BOOTH, j_stark. jejj

So, I don't believe I have ever heard: Fried Iguana must taste pretty good, eh???
I'm thinkin, with a lil limon y sal

When I was 20, I was worried about what everyone thought. When I was 40, I didn't care what anyone thought. When I was 50, I realized... NO ONE WAS EVER THINKING ABOUT ME :-))

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billyb says on Aug 24, 2007, 23:51:

GS, like they say, it tastes just like chicken.

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goin_south says on Aug 25, 2007, 00:38:

Imagine that! Iguana at PopEye's! jjej

When I was 20, I was worried about what everyone thought. When I was 40, I didn't care what anyone thought. When I was 50, I realized... NO ONE WAS EVER THINKING ABOUT ME :-))

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pedro (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 25, 2007, 10:53:

billyb says on Aug 25, 2007, 11:01:

My family all live in cities, but come weekends it's off to the fincas, but i guess it's hard for a foreigner like Rubi to feel that thing Colombians have for the country.

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goin_south says on Aug 25, 2007, 11:09:

Bb,....There's not even enough room in the cities for all those couzins.
What are you talkin about???

When I was 20, I was worried about what everyone thought. When I was 40, I didn't care what anyone thought. When I was 50, I realized... NO ONE WAS EVER THINKING ABOUT ME :-))

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podborski says on Aug 25, 2007, 11:14:

I love big cities, love having lots of new restaurants to try out, stuff like that, but like almost every canadian I know I can't wait to get away to the 'cottage' on the weekend.

You can go to clubs and concerts during the week, or all winter, but summer is for getting out of the city, if you are lucky enough to have a place to go to.

I went to my cottage a few times in late fall, and then in the dead of winter, and it felt so isolated and quiet it was scary. I could never live year round in the country, but sure is great when the weather is nice.

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billyb says on Aug 25, 2007, 11:21:

I need the city also, but every chance I would get I'd head for the country for a few days. GS, i guess that's why they like the countryside so much.

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podborski says on Aug 25, 2007, 11:33:

there's a bit of a difference in countryside in northern climates though.

The ice, snow and cold makes people stay inside more, so towns seem very desolate. The only thing you can do is go out snowmobiling, where you need to wear huge survivor suits, full face helmets and have electric handlebars to keep warm enough. You head for a bar, hoping you don't fall through the lake ice on the way.

If you do go through the ice, you can last a few hours with a proper survival suit, otherwise 5 minutes and you are done. Not a lot of police/rescue around. (If you do fall in, and can't get out right away, you start to go numb in a few minutes, so they tell you to try to keep your arms on the ice so they will freeze in place, stopping you from slipping under the water. That way you might still have an hour to live, even though you'd be unconscious, at least you wouldn't drown, maybe someone could rescue you in that hour.)

It's not quite the same as getting out for a horseback ride in the sunshine.

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Aug 25, 2007, 11:47:

Oh, we go skiing, ice skating, long walks in the winter, A little snow or ice should not be a reason to keep you indoors all the time. Countryside is just lovely in the winter! Open fire in the fireplace, hot drinks after a skiing or skating tour, kids playing outside...

Cheers,
Desi

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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podborski says on Aug 25, 2007, 11:57:

yeah, you're right desi, we do that stuff too, but you can only do it for so long before you have to come inside.

As kids we would make tunnels and forts in the snowbanks, have snowball fights, our parents would have to drag us inside. Then we'd sit in the kitchen with our feet resting on the open door of the oven to thaw them out.

I used to go cross country skiing every weekend when I was in my 20's. I've never been in as good shape my entire life. 3 or 4 hours X-C skiing saturday and again on sunday, and you can eat and drink as much as you want every day and you'll still lose weight.

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billyb says on Aug 25, 2007, 14:55:

Pod, i live in chicago for a few years and the one thing I missed the most was playing ice hockey outdoors,.

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podborski says on Aug 25, 2007, 16:50:

it's a great sport billyb, as long as you don't care for your front teeth too much jaja!

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vicshere says on Aug 25, 2007, 17:12:

hey GIB
"Oh my yea I understand why you, vic, Loid and others piss them right off to a point they go from post to post attacking."
We piss them off or they piss us off
a bit confusing sorry

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billyb says on Aug 25, 2007, 17:20:

jaja, yeah, i love all those old NHL team pics, everybody ahs their front teeth missing.

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manINred says on Aug 26, 2007, 20:37:

I personally find what Rubito has written here delightfully amusing! What the hell is interesting about a bunch of trees indeed? I personally love the countryside, and I think that I would choose Medellin over Bogota to live in, but at the very least, as opinionated as he is, Rubito backs up what he says in the funniest and most sound manner imaginable.

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manINred says on Aug 26, 2007, 20:39:

I personally find what Rubito has written here delightfully amusing! What the hell is interesting about a bunch of trees indeed? I personally love the countryside, and I think that I would choose Medellin over Bogota to live in, but at the very least, as opinionated as he is, Rubito backs up what he says in the funniest and most sound manner imaginable.

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manINred says on Aug 26, 2007, 20:48:

ugh....... 2 damn comments that say the same thing. how do i erase one?

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goin_south says on Aug 26, 2007, 23:02:

I guess now, you parents wish they would have done things quite differently ;)\
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kiddin rubito.
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When I was 20, I was worried about what everyone thought. When I was 40, I didn't care what anyone thought. When I was 50, I realized... NO ONE WAS EVER THINKING ABOUT ME :-))

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billyb says on Aug 27, 2007, 07:11:

Rubi, sorry to hear about your traumatic childhood. I don't think anybody is suggesting that they want to go live in el monte in Putumayo somewhere, but every finca i've ever been to had electricity and indoor plumbing. You just might be going to the wrong places :)

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Tinto (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Aug 27, 2007, 07:14:

And sometimes swimming pools and movie stars!

I wanted access to health care, housing and education, but, no, I get potholes, trash and silicone tits instead. -Desi.

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Aug 27, 2007, 07:42:

At least they didn't leave you in the middle of the wilderness all by yourself to find a way home, like Hans and Greta's dad, then I would understand your way of thinking.

I grew up amidst a lot of trees, didn't make me hate them. I like living in the cities but every now and then I travel back to my childhood's deep forests, to rest my mind and soul, my senses from the overloading of human-made noises and cacophony of the city, to heal and to enjoy the simple country life where all the people that live out there need each other and live in peace with each other.

I've been seriously considering selling my Cali house and buying a small finca on the mountains on the way to Buenaventura. The only thing that is stopping me is the idea of the other side of the mountain crawling with farcenos.

Cheers,
Desi

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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LA_MONA says on Aug 27, 2007, 07:46:

Wow Desi that would be wonderful, would you not consider the eje cafetero?

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Aug 27, 2007, 07:55:

Yes, that would be another possibility. I like the western cordillera because it's not too far from the Pacific and the beaches nearby Buenaventura. From KM.30 it's just about an hour to B/ventura and the climate is delicious.
OTOH coffee fincas are probably beyond my means, anyway. I would have to do with the produce from the sale of the house and I doubt I could get more than perhaps around 120-140 million out of it.

Cheers,
Desi

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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LA_MONA says on Aug 27, 2007, 08:06:

"The only thing that is stopping me is the idea of the other side of the mountain crawling with farcenos"

Yeah that could be a problem Desi, so frustrating!

Where is Llanogrande?

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Aug 27, 2007, 10:07:

Nothing very rough with those small, recreational fincas on Km.30 on the road to Buenaventura. Plenty of spectacular scenery, a reliable mayordomo who lives on the premises, road (albeit dirt) all the way to the front door, electricity and telephone. I could handle it easily and probably find one for 150 million. I'd need transportation, of course and perhaps the mayordomo would have a wife who could help in housekeeping and doing laundry and such. The security, however, is an issue. Perhaps I could put a sign in front of the house "Poor Gringa, No Money No Rich Relatives".

Cheers,
Desi

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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podborski says on Aug 27, 2007, 10:09:

well you know what they say desi, best time to invest is when there is 'blood in the streets'.

So imagine how much a place there would go up in value if the violence or the threat of it stopped...

Still, I sure wouldn't have the courage to do it.

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Aug 27, 2007, 11:06:

No, pod, I don't think I'll have the courage for it either. I don't have a very high opinion of the guided jungle tours organized by your friendly local tourist bureau, the FARC. Mr. Marulanda and Mr. Reyes are not hiring any real gourmet cooks and the sleeping quarters are infested by creepy crawlies of al sizes, colors and shapes.

Cheers,
Desi

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Tinto (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Aug 27, 2007, 11:17:

Well, if you stay in Cali and open a B&B, and you inadvertently rent to a chica chaser, you're still going to get "creepy crawlies of all sizes, colors and shapes" coming through your front door.

I wanted access to health care, housing and education, but, no, I get potholes, trash and silicone tits instead. -Desi.

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Aug 27, 2007, 11:21:

Will you be my guest, tinto? (not that you're a creepy crawlie...but don't forget your sun hat in case you decide to visit Cali)

Cheers,
Desi

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Tinto (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Aug 27, 2007, 11:36:

Of course, I want to visit the famous "VALLE" someday and see what a sugar cane farm and a sugar cane mill look like.

I wanted access to health care, housing and education, but, no, I get potholes, trash and silicone tits instead. -Desi.

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Aug 27, 2007, 11:40:

and the very famous Chippy Chappy Mall, right?

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Tinto (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Aug 27, 2007, 11:47:

Definitely the famous Chippy Chappy. I feel like I know the place... I hope it isn't a let down. Haha.

I wanted access to health care, housing and education, but, no, I get potholes, trash and silicone tits instead. -Desi.

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goin_south says on Aug 27, 2007, 12:28:

better lower your expectations a bit, then, Tinto.
I was amazed, I couldn't even find a freakin throwaway camera in that mall.
Cheaper Hushpuppies? Yeah.

But,...I will have to say, Chippy Chappy will always have a special place in my mind (not my freakin heart!)....AS THAT IS WHERE I HAD MY FIRST MEAL EVER IN COLOMBIA...and with one special lady almost two years ago. The meal...not so great (at that outdoor foodcourt type of place), THE MEMORY....AWWHHHH...WAKING UP AND REALIZING I WAS IN FACT, IN COLOMBIA.... AND NEEDED SOME NOURISHMENT...and that was where she took me the first (late) morning for lunch.

When I was 20, I was worried about what everyone thought. When I was 40, I didn't care what anyone thought. When I was 50, I realized... NO ONE WAS EVER THINKING ABOUT ME :-))

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billyb says on Aug 27, 2007, 12:56:

Rubi, I agree with you on Girardot and Melgar. I've stayed at El Peñon Condominio Campestre in Girardot and while the place we stayed at was awsome, it was boring because it wasn't either in the city or really out in the country, just kind of in between, on the outskirts, so you don't get the benefit of either. And it's too fokin hot to play golf there :)

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Cerealkiller says on Aug 27, 2007, 13:42:

Oh desi that area around Km 30 is very nice indeed. I have a couple of friends who have a house there and they use it to just get away from cali on the weekends. I believe the place is called saladito or something like that, but i thought it was absolutely lovely. It didnt seem like a dangerous place to me...the house is quite nice and they travel back and forth in their SUVs without much worries...perhaps it has gotten better?

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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billyb says on Aug 27, 2007, 14:15:

CK, Saladito is not as far up the mountain as KM30, but real nice also, has kind of a Swiss look to it and is way safer.

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Cerealkiller says on Aug 27, 2007, 14:21:

Oh I see BillyB, so i was off target by what? a couple of hours? hahaha, my Valle geography around that area sucks...but somehow I can find my way through cali and the neighboring towns. I guess Im just lucky.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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goin_south says on Aug 27, 2007, 15:29:

or,.... 12Kilo's?

I'm guessing. Aren't we all traveling in the same direction, there? away from Cali, towards Buenaventura? KM 18? Is that about Saladito? or.... am I lost again?

When I was 20, I was worried about what everyone thought. When I was 40, I didn't care what anyone thought. When I was 50, I realized... NO ONE WAS EVER THINKING ABOUT ME :-))

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goin_south says on Aug 27, 2007, 15:32:

or,.... 12Kilo's?

I'm guessing. Aren't we all traveling in the same direction, there? away from Cali, towards Buenaventura? KM 18? Is that about Saladito? or.... am I lost again?

When I was 20, I was worried about what everyone thought. When I was 40, I didn't care what anyone thought. When I was 50, I realized... NO ONE WAS EVER THINKING ABOUT ME :-))

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goin_south says on Aug 27, 2007, 15:34:

(Hey, Peter. Maybe I'm not alone; but... the past week or two, this sure seems slow, registering the posts, ... and sometimes, you get impatient and click on the comment button again.. and get alot of double posts.... jus to let you know. sometimes I think it must be my computer, and but other pages on the internet come up very rapidly, so I know that's not it.)

When I was 20, I was worried about what everyone thought. When I was 40, I didn't care what anyone thought. When I was 50, I realized... NO ONE WAS EVER THINKING ABOUT ME :-))

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goin_south says on Aug 27, 2007, 15:34:

(Hey, Peter. Maybe I'm not alone; but... the past week or two, this sure seems slow, registering the posts, ... and sometimes, you get impatient and click on the comment button again.. and get alot of double posts.... jus to let you know. sometimes I think it must be my computer, and but other pages on the internet come up very rapidly, so I know that's not it.)

When I was 20, I was worried about what everyone thought. When I was 40, I didn't care what anyone thought. When I was 50, I realized... NO ONE WAS EVER THINKING ABOUT ME :-))

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goin_south says on Aug 27, 2007, 15:34:

(Hey, Peter. Maybe I'm not alone; but... the past week or two, this sure seems slow, registering the posts, ... and sometimes, you get impatient and click on the comment button again.. and get alot of double posts.... jus to let you know. sometimes I think it must be my computer, and but other pages on the internet come up very rapidly, so I know that's not it.)

When I was 20, I was worried about what everyone thought. When I was 40, I didn't care what anyone thought. When I was 50, I realized... NO ONE WAS EVER THINKING ABOUT ME :-))

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goin_south says on Aug 27, 2007, 15:35:

Maybe that is also the reason for so little traffic noticeably...lately.)

When I was 20, I was worried about what everyone thought. When I was 40, I didn't care what anyone thought. When I was 50, I realized... NO ONE WAS EVER THINKING ABOUT ME :-))

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billyb says on Aug 27, 2007, 15:38:

CK, actually you were only off by about a 1/2 hour in the same direction, as GS correctly points out, on La Carretera al Mar around KM14 to 18.

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goin_south says on Aug 27, 2007, 15:42:

(lucky guess el pato!)

When I was 20, I was worried about what everyone thought. When I was 40, I didn't care what anyone thought. When I was 50, I realized... NO ONE WAS EVER THINKING ABOUT ME :-))

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billyb says on Aug 27, 2007, 15:44:

GS, did you go with the SO to any of the roadhouses up at KM18? Those are real fun. Glad that under Uncle Alvaro people are once again able to visit up there.

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goin_south says on Aug 27, 2007, 16:01:

SO? roadhouses??
I'm lost.

When I was 20, I was worried about what everyone thought. When I was 40, I didn't care what anyone thought. When I was 50, I realized... NO ONE WAS EVER THINKING ABOUT ME :-))

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billyb says on Aug 27, 2007, 18:13:

SO, significant other as in N***y. There are some killer places at Kilometro 18, that people from Cali go to on weekends to get away from the heat and party. That's why I thought you mentioned it.

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goin_south says on Aug 27, 2007, 22:19:

uhhhh.... we stopped at two or three little places along side the road, to go back on the porch, which was inevitably built up on the steep side of the hill going down. Dinner "in the clouds", on the 'Back Porch'... al fresco.

When I was 20, I was worried about what everyone thought. When I was 40, I didn't care what anyone thought. When I was 50, I realized... NO ONE WAS EVER THINKING ABOUT ME :-))

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Aug 28, 2007, 05:02:

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LA_MONA says on Aug 28, 2007, 05:07:

[img]http://www.anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/wow.gif[/img]

Que belleza!!!!

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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goin_south says on Aug 28, 2007, 22:27:

yeah, something like that, Desi.

It was 'before my digital camera days'.
Next trip,....I am prepared.

When I was 20, I was worried about what everyone thought. When I was 40, I didn't care what anyone thought. When I was 50, I realized... NO ONE WAS EVER THINKING ABOUT ME :-))

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zat1 says on Apr 15, 2009, 13:49:

Hey CDH, obviamente no eres americano y por lo tanto debes ser latino. Deberías asegurarte de que al venir a estos foros a expresar tus ideas en "english" aprendas a escribirlo apropiadamente para que no tengas que hacer el ridículo. Escribes inglés muy, muy mal.
If, in fact, you are an American and English is your mother tongue, it's time to crack a book once in a while or go back to elementary school and stop watching Jerry Springer my friend.
Your ideas are valid but your expression is atrocious.

Venimos de Colombia, de la capital, y solo queremos ponerlos a gozar, ¡oye!

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