Colombia is everywhere!

minina says on Nov 5, 2007, 10:19:

Yeah....You will find a Colombian in every part of the world, that is for sure.

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Colombiche says on Nov 5, 2007, 10:30:

Did you ever hear of the Happy chiva? I think it took off from Dufferin and St Clair and did tour of Toronto, ended up in Queen Quay to board the colombian independence cruise.

Mientras mas mañe mas se goza.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Colombiche says on Nov 5, 2007, 10:32:

The chiva was an old rackety school bus painted with the colombian colours LOL. In order to be a real colombian chiva we need the toothless "chojer" to be downing aguardiente at the same rate as the passengers. A bit hard to do with the tight drinking and driving laws in Ontario.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Colombiche says on Nov 5, 2007, 10:37:

AGUARRRDIENTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE PAL CHOFFFFFERRRRRRRRR, EPA!!!!!!

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Simon says on Nov 5, 2007, 10:52:

"Colombia is everywhere!"


Your damn right it is!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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manINred says on Nov 5, 2007, 11:03:

Hahahah! no i didn't!!! I take it that you didn't hop on the bus (mientras mas mane...) ;)

I think it was the same thing that drove through manhatten, a shitty old bus, probably no drunken driver though.

Do you know why they provide, in that advertisement, a London (ont.) number? it's probably because, according to my Colombian friend in London, London Ontario has more Colombians in Canada than any other place in the country!

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manINred says on Nov 5, 2007, 11:05:

And can you imagine anyone in Colombia paying what would be 180,000 pesos to board a chivas bus?? eavemaria !

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Colombiche says on Nov 5, 2007, 11:16:

Maninred, you mean Londombia?

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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scotty says on Nov 5, 2007, 12:23:

I would have jumped on that bus!

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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Man Tequila says on Nov 5, 2007, 13:58:

London has become Colombian but only within the last decade or so. Still, surprised to see the chiva left from there.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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Colombiche says on Nov 5, 2007, 14:09:

I think the Happy Chiva actually left from La Paisa restaurant on St Clair

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Man Tequila says on Nov 5, 2007, 14:13:

The $50 premium from London might be for a different bus. But it is telling a ticket from London exists at all. After seeing the video maybe I'll tuck a bottle of Antiqueño in my trunk. I get jealous seeing all the injured drunks come in when I gotta work. ;)

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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Colombiche says on Nov 5, 2007, 14:14:

London is probably the canadian city with the most colombians per capita:

http://lfpress.ca/cgi-bin/publish.cgi?p=188113&x=articles&s=societe

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Simon says on Nov 5, 2007, 14:23:

From Colombiche's article:


"Months after arriving in the city, they took volunteer jobs picking up garbage in area parks after summer festivals.

"In our country we would have never thought to do that, but here we wanted to do whatever we could to say 'thank you' to this beautiful country," Rodriguez says."


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Good riddance to these Colombian voltearepas!!!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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MitchAlvarez says on Nov 5, 2007, 15:22:

I love chivas. I also love that feeling when Im walking around somewhere in any city or town outside of Colombia when I hear our music, see our flag, hear our people's accents, or come across some Guarito.

"Ingrid callate la jeta!! Stay in France"

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Man Tequila says on Nov 5, 2007, 15:48:

London was/is so NOT a multi-cultural place and had a reputation for being elitist, white bread and redneck. It probably still does, and is, but I think the influx of Colombians (and Vietnamese) has been a very positive thing. I am pleased to say my father played a small role in making these changes happen.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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goin_south says on Nov 5, 2007, 15:58:

something makes me think it would be
difficult finding a Colombian in somewhere like....
.....Bangkok, or... Timbuktu, or Leningrad.

'what does it mean, when one of you (colombians) tell another: YOU WERE NOT/ARE NOT. 'COLOMBIAN ENOUGH'?? jejeje..a mixture, I think, of stupidity mixed with a false sense of arrogance.. How 'colombian' do you have to be? to be 'colombian enough

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Colombiche says on Nov 5, 2007, 16:05:

Pero porque voltearepas Simon? Ellos solo buscaron un toque de tranquilidad en Canada ya que en Colombia tenian problemas.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Monpirri says on Nov 5, 2007, 16:10:

Voltarepa no es el que migra a otros paises si no el que se mantiene callado cuando le estan robando la identidad cultural, voliarepa es todo aquel que mantiene dandole todo el credito a otros paises pero no a Colombia.
Voltiarepa es aquel que prefiere estar dandose besitos con aquella gente cuando ven que le se la estan metiendo a Colombia desimuladamente.....

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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Colombiche says on Nov 5, 2007, 16:18:

Pues hasta donde yo sabia , voltearepa es un termino paisa para describir a alguien que te trata bien un dia y mal el otro (asi como voltear una arepa para que se ase pro ambos lados).

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Colombiche says on Nov 5, 2007, 16:19:

No veo como los dos colombianos del articulo son voltearepas. Acaso ustedes dos no viven tambien en el extranjero? No son ustedes parte de la diaspora?

Donde naciste monpirri?

A mi me parece muy bueno que los colombianos en Canada sean de buen perfil y que logren cierta solvencia economica.

Me encanta que por mi casa hay 4 panaderias colombianas, puedo desayunar almojabana con cafesito por las mañanas antes de irme para la oficina. Me encanta poder conseguir bombonbunes y chocoramos a un par de cuadras de mi casa.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Monpirri says on Nov 5, 2007, 16:29:

Voltiarepa es un termino colombiano que quire decir un individuo que se mantien voltiando para otro lado, tambien puedo ser clasificar con un colombiano chimbiado.
Yo no lei bien el articulo solo puse el significado de la palabra voltiarepa porque veo que no entendias el significado. En resume, voltiarepa es todo aquel que se mantiene alabando a otro pais y prefiere poner a Colombia abajo.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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Colombiche says on Nov 5, 2007, 16:33:

No me tienes que explicar el significado de voltearepas, ya que a diferencia tuya yo SI naci y fui criada en Colombia y estoy escuchando estos terminos y modismos desde que estaba en el vientre de mi mama.

No me parece que ellos esten alabando a otro pais. Simplemente estan expresando su agradecimiento por un pais que los acogio y les dio oportunidades. De hecho conozco muchos colombianos en Toronto que han perdido familiares en Colombia. Tengo una amiga a quien le secuestraron y le mataron el hermano y la mama.

Ser agradecido es una virtud, uno no debe se caminar por el mundo con delirios de "entitlement", porque nos convertiriamos en un grupo chocante y atorrante.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Simon says on Nov 5, 2007, 16:47:

Un momento, Monpirri tambien nació y creció en Colombia!

En cuanto a estos dos Colombianos, se nota que le tienen cierto resentimiento a Colombia:


"the Colombian couple say they have never looked back."

""In our country we would have never thought to do that, but here we wanted to do whatever we could to say 'thank you' to this beautiful country," Rodriguez says."

""We are very proud our kids were born in Canada," says Munoz"

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So if the kids had been born in Colombia, would they be as 'proud'?

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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Monpirri says on Nov 5, 2007, 16:49:

Como te dije NO me estaba referiendo al articulo, pues no lo lei, solo puse el significado porque parece que le preguntastes a Simon.
Una ves mas, mi respuesta no tenia nada que ver con el articulo solo respondia a tu pregunta. Ademas, yo creo que sabes muy bien el significado porque lo usastes en otro "post" donde te referias a mi.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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Colombiche says on Nov 5, 2007, 16:57:

Bueno no se Simon, recuerdo en el pasado monpirri dijo que el nacio en EEUU. Talvez me equivoco.

Ahora, no conozco personalmente a estos dos colombianos del articulo, pero si demuestran algo de resentimiento contra Colombia. Bien puede haber sido por la situacion dificil que les toco vivir alla en nuestra tierra. No soy quien para juzgar.

Claro que tambien hay gente muy chiflada que despues de unos meses en norte america solo hablan ingles y miran feo a los otro latinos. Estos son los que se odian a si mismos, los que son tan vacuos que creen que pueden dejar de ser lo que son. Maracas (porque tienen la cabeza tan vacia que cuando la mueven hace tss tss tss tss)

Yo personalmente, no podria vivir odiando al pais en el cual naci. Es parte de mi y lo llevo en mi corazon.

Pienso que todos (monpirri, tu,yo y todos los otros colombianos de foro) queremos a colombia, de lo contrario no estariamos aqui.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Simon says on Nov 5, 2007, 17:00:

"Pienso que todos (monpirri, tu,yo y todos los otros colombianos de foro) queremos a colombia, de lo contrario no estariamos aqui."


Hmmm...ojalá así fuera, pero dime algo, usted se acuerda de ese tal Gomezman? Ese viejo no quería a Colombia para nada!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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Man Tequila says on Nov 5, 2007, 17:10:

Colombians in Canada are very proud to be from Colombia, and usually make this extremely clear. They retain the language, music, cultural traditions. They usually had good reasons to leave Colombia. To call them voltiarepas is unfair, in some parts of Colombia it is hard to fulfill the dreams you have for your children. The remarks of two Colombians to a small-town, two-bit newspaper (like the London Free Press) amount to nothing and cannot really be used to judge anything; though I do not see anything sinister even here.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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Monpirri says on Nov 5, 2007, 17:18:

Que chistosa, solo mira o lee mis comentarios. Mis conocimiento sobre Colombia especialmente en lo cultural son solo un poco parecido a los tuyos. Dos diferentes mundos verdad? Pero nosotros actuamos segun nuestra capacidad intelectual y segun nuestras experincias en Colombia o con todo Colombia y por lo tanto nosotros demostramos ese gran amor por Colombia como dice Simon.

"Bueno no se Simon, recuerdo en el pasado monpirri dijo que el nacio en EEUU. Talvez me equivoco."

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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Colombiche says on Nov 5, 2007, 17:28:

Son diferentes porque yo soy una paisa criada en Manizales y tu eres un costeno criado en EEUU. Obvio que nuestras experiencias de vida han sido diferentes, pero cada cual pone su granito de arena.

Para demostrar el amor a tu pais no es necesario tirarle piedras a otros colombianos/as que no piensan igual que tu, tampoco es necesario caer en el fanatismo ni tirarle piedras a otras nacionalidades hispanas ni a los colombianos de otras regiones i.e los paisas. Se puede llevar la fiesta en paz.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Monpirri says on Nov 5, 2007, 17:31:

Mantequilla, you are correct. Many Colombians anywhere around the world are proud to be Colombian. I do not know if you understood my comments? I was just answering a question to her and my answer was not related to the article.
Here are some real proud Colombians in Canada.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1988495728978066646&q=COLOMBI....
A promotional video that celebrates the dances, music and friendship of the Calgary-based dancing group Asi es Colombia. This group was founded by Yholima Vargas to tell the other story of Colombia, to tell that Colombia has more than what people see, or hear on the media.

http://www.asiescolombia.com/content/main.asp?l=e

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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Monpirri says on Nov 5, 2007, 17:40:

Colombia es un pais muy grande y bendecido por Dios, lastima que existan tanta gente con mala fe, que solo quieren robar, humillar, y venderse por dinero mientras que perjudican al pais.

Mis "posts" no demuestran que soy regionalista, soy colombiano, tampoco soy de la Costa Atlantica aunque me gustaria serlo pues de la costa existe unas de la culturas mas fuertes de Colombia.

Colombianos que se hacen los pendejos no hay que tirarles piedras solo hay que educarlos ya sea suavemente o duramente. Te guste o no, existen muchos colombianos voltiarepas en el mundo. No podemos permitir que por razones personales, artisticas quieren cambiar nuestra manera de ser porque los colombianos verracos siempre seran colombianos, verdad?

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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Man Tequila says on Nov 5, 2007, 18:01:

I might have misunderstood your comments, Monpirri. But my comment was general, and perhaps more aimed at Simon. The Colombians I know in Canada never put down Colombia (as a country, though some aspects of the country may not be above criticism) and get upset when anyone else does, which I suspect happens often and must be a source of great frustration. The "I would do this in Canada but not in Colombia" comment was unfortunate, perhaps, but the newspaper probably hand-picked one sentence out of a five minute conversation; the media being what it is.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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masterrrrrr says on Nov 5, 2007, 20:10:

I think that was the first time they had this chiva ride in New York --- and it includes Aguardiente!

Look here -http://www.nuevayorkguide.com/nueva_york/2007/10/rolling-vallena.html

it's supposedly a monthly event. I think I'll check it out soon

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manINred says on Nov 6, 2007, 12:39:

Que deben aquella pareja a Colombia? Absolutamente nada. Pues es logico no querer volver (aunque no lo dice en el articulo) a un pais si lo unico que conoce del pais es violencia, dureza y tristeza. Yo me sentiria horible si algo malo pasara a mi familia en Inglaterra o Canada, pues tendria sentimientos feisimos contra los dos paises me imagino. La verdad es que hay ciertas cosas de Canada y Inglaterra que no me gustan, no tengo que amar todo de mis tierras, tampoco es terrible sentir cerca de otro pais/nacionalidad, no significa que se pierde lo bueno que siente por la madre patria.

Por ejemplo, yo me siento muy cerca de COlombia, y hay muchas cosas que me encantan del pais (la cultura, la gente, las ciudades, etc...) pero eso no significa que valoro menos Inglaterra/Canada.

Yo creo que en vez de tomar como insulto lo bueno que dice la pareja sobre Canada, tomarlo mas bien como un indicio que todavia hay mucho que mejorar y arreglar en la hermosa Colombia.

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Leeroy says on Nov 8, 2007, 15:36:

Strange, isn't it, that when Colombians are seen abroad dancing in Chivas and eating empanadas that it is a heart-warming experience, but when westerners are eating McDonalds and drinking in pubs in Colombia that it is considered sad and depressing...

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Man Tequila says on Nov 8, 2007, 17:06:

McDs in Colombia are full of Colombians. I've never eaten there in Colombia, but often eat at McDs mainly since small towns have few alternatives. I don't consider it sad or depressing, but I wouldn't brag about it either. Cultural relativsm is a fnny thing.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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MitchAlvarez says on Nov 8, 2007, 23:24:

so your saying that McDonals is a major part of Americas culture? I really think the comparison falls short. The chiva and empanada are a lot more significant in colombias culture then a big mac and french fries is to the us of a.

"Ingrid callate la jeta!! Stay in France"

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Robert Jorge says on Nov 9, 2007, 01:06:

Mitch - I'de say McDs is a major part of American culture. The phrase, "a hamburger with cheese, fries, coca cola" was coined by McDonalds. McDs were among the first fast food restaurants in the world, definitely the first successful as a chain. I remember when McDonalds opened a location in Moscow in the 80's. That was BIGTIME international news. Anyway, like it or not, I feel comfortable saying that I think McDonalds is an American icon. Not any different in that respect than the Ford Mustang, apple pie (served in McDs), BBQ, jazz music, cowboys, tv dinners, and the movie The Wizard of Oz. (sorry, but those were the first examples I could come up with)

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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MitchAlvarez says on Nov 9, 2007, 06:32:

ok i see your point but is it as significant as chiva and an empanada is to la cultura colombiana?

"Ingrid callate la jeta!! Stay in France"

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Nov 9, 2007, 06:38:

Au contraire, the White Castle fine dining chain started in 1921 in Columbus, Ohio. They beat McDonalds by more than three decades. And a close cousin, Krystal, opened in Chattanooga, TN in 1931 and a decade later had over 40 restaurants.

Anyway, I get your point about McDonalds...just wanted to give a plug to the greatest hamburgers in the world - Whiteys!

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