Colombia FARC rebels: We'll never disarm - Summary

juancegomez says on Jul 21, 2008, 19:47:

How much of that represents the entire FARC leadership depends, basically, on what influence Rodrigo Granda and Jesus Santrich have over people who are actually in the Secretariat, or vice versa. At least I would think so.

That these two are "top ideologists" doesn't mean the actual top commanders will completely agree, now or in the future...though it also doesn't mean they won't, but I would expect at least some internal discussion within FARC, even if along some lines we can't always distinguish. ABP, of all sources, isn't exactly going to properly represent that.

What will be the results of those discussions? Time will tell...

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robi666 says on Jul 21, 2008, 19:50:

"We'll never disarm"
I am sure that almost none of the poor soldiers would agree on this...

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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eywed says on Jul 21, 2008, 19:54:

Seems the Colombian army is getting good a taking things away from the FARC so they might want to be careful with that. I got a feeling many FARC members will be more than willing to put their arms down when approached.

Ay Hombe!!!!!

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Wastelandlive says on Jul 21, 2008, 20:23:

Fine... hunt them down and kill them. Shed not a tear for the lads... they'd shed none for you.

Wasteland

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Sam Salmon says on Jul 21, 2008, 22:24:

Kill them all then.

Every.last.one.dead.and.rotting.on.the.jungle.floor.to.be.eaten.by.vermin.

' a la orden!'

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Alma del Norte says on Jul 21, 2008, 22:40:

Sammy, where does all that anger come from? - do tell.

La vida es una rutina

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Buongone says on Jul 22, 2008, 01:59:

Like Doc says, drop a few smart bombs. They will start changing their ways really quick. Only thing about that is some innocent people will be hurt. Thats War. Some sacrafice has to be made. End this BS once and for all. Better off for the country.

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Jul 22, 2008, 05:59:

I think a smart bomb was used on the border with Ecuador but that was a big camp with high value targets. I'm not sure if the same technology is suitable or cost effective for much smaller FARC camps.

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Rikito says on Jul 22, 2008, 06:03:

This article blows big time. I sent them a response and like most other rags like this some editor will just laugh at what I wrote take a sip of coffee and toss my comments in the toilet. They will not respond because they have no response to make. They will not respond because they know that what they said is false and cannot be proven. What's more...they could care less. The Earthtimes is just another semantically socialist rag that writes crap likes this to get people ginned up to read their junk which is what most of what they produce is...junk.

If everyone in here wrote them and gave them your thoughts it might make a difference. But I doubt if many will take the time.

I wish that Uribe and Freddy would really go after FARC big time and put this stuff to reat. They need to end FARC by the only means availble..death!

It is not life that matters, but the journey.

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billyb says on Jul 22, 2008, 06:33:

Junace does have a pont, it is easy for Granda to talk tough, as he is living the cushy life in Venezuela and not rotting in the jungle like the rest of them.

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tasco66 says on Jul 22, 2008, 13:46:

This Farc statement reminds me of our good old friend the Iraqi Minister of Information



"There are no American infidels in Baghdad. Never!"

"My feelings - as usual - we will slaughter them all"

"Our initial assessment is that they will all die"

"I blame Al-Jazeera - they are marketing for the Americans!"

"God will roast their stomachs in hell at the hands of Iraqis."

"They're coming to surrender or be burned in their tanks."

"No I am not scared, and neither should you be!"

"Be assured. Baghdad is safe, protected"

"Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!"

"We are not afraid of the Americans. Allah has condemned them. They are stupid. They are stupid" (dramatic pause) "and they are condemned."

"The Americans, they always depend on a method what I call ... stupid, silly. All I ask is check yourself. Do not in fact repeat their lies."

"I can say, and I am responsible for what I am saying, that they have
started to commit suicide under the walls of Baghdad. We
will encourage them to commit more suicides quickly."

"I can assure you that those villains will recognize, will discover in appropriate time in the future how stupid they are and how they are pretending things which have never taken place."

"We have destroyed 2 tanks, fighter planes, 2 helicopters and their shovels - We have driven them back."

"The authority of the civil defense ... issued a warning to the civilian population not to pick up any of those pencils because they are booby traps," he said, adding that the British and American forces were "immoral mercenaries" and "war criminals" for such behavior.

"I am not talking about the American people and the British people," he said. "I am talking about those mercenaries. ... They have started throwing those pencils, but they are not pencils, they are booby traps to kill the children."

"We have them surrounded in their tanks"

"The American press is all about lies! All they tell is lies, lies and more lies!"

"I have detailed information about the situation...which completely proves that what they allege are illusions . . . They lie every day."

"Lying is forbidden in Iraq. President Saddam Hussein will tolerate nothing but truthfulness as he is a man of great honor and integrity. Everyone is encouraged to speak freely of the truths evidenced in their eyes and hearts."

"Now even the American command is under siege. We are hitting it from the north, east, south and west. We chase them here and they chase us there. But at the end we are the people who are laying siege to them. And it is not them who are besieging us."
Let the American infidels bask in their illusion"

"I triple guarantee you, there are no American soldiers in Baghdad."

Britain "is not worth an old shoe"

"we have given them a sour taste"


Of US troops: "They are most welcome. We will butcher them."

"We will welcome them with bullets and shoes."

"We are in control. They are in a state of hysteria. Losers, they think that by killing civilians and trying to distort the feelings of the people they will win. I think they will not win, those bastards."

"The British forces which were dropped there have been eliminated mostly on the (battle)field, except for those who fled ... It is a complete defeat ... Amazingly the Americans have pushed the British to do that. They pushed them ahead as if it is an experiment. The result was very tragic for the British."

“We have placed them in a quagmire from which they can never emerge except dead�

"Washington has thrown their soldiers on the fire"

"I speak better English than this villain Bush"

"These cowards have no morals. They have no shame about lying"

"They're not even [within] 100 miles [of Baghdad]. They are not in any
place. They hold no place in Iraq. This is an illusion ... they are
trying to sell to the others an illusion."

"Their failure in this regard is abysmal. They want to tell the world changes thought - as a matter of fact, they do not respect the world, they want to tell taxpayers and the domestic public to keep them deceived. We will embroil them, confuse them and keep them in the quagmire. They have begun to tell more lies so that they might continue with the perpetration of their crimes. May they be accursed."

"We will kill them all........most of them."

"They are like a snake and we are going to cut it in pieces."

"They do not even have control over themselves! Do not believe them!"

"I would like to clarify a simple fact here: How can you lay siege to a whole country? Who is really under siege now? Baghdad cannot be besieged. Al-Nasiriyah cannot be besieged. Basra cannot be besieged."

"They are trapped in Umm Qasr. They are trapped near Basra. They are trapped near Nasiriyah. They are trapped near Najaf. They are trapped everywhere."

Called Americans and Brits "Tarateer"– In Iraqi slang, Tartoor means a guy full of farts (i.e. hot air)

"they are nowhere near the airport ..they are lost in the desert...they can not read a compass...they are retarded."

"They are not in Baghdad. They are not in control of any airport. I tell you this. It is all a lie. They lie. It is a hollywood movie. You do not believe them."

"Faltering forces of infidels cannot just enter a country of 26 million people and lay besiege to them! They are the ones who will find themselves under siege. Therefore, in reality whatever this miserable Rumsfeld has been saying, he was talking about his own forces. Now even the American command is under siege."

"They tried to bring a small number of tanks and personnel carriers in through al-Durah but they were surrounded and most of their infidels had their throats cut."

"Our estimates are that none of them will come out alive unless they surrender to us quickly."

"We made them drink poison last night and Saddam Hussein's soldiers and his great forces gave the Americans a lesson which will not be forgotten by history. Truly."

"On this occasion, I am not going to mention the number of the infidels who were killed and the number of destroyed vehicles. The operation continues"

"Today we slaughtered them in the airport. They are out of Saddam International Airport."

"The force that was in the airport, this force was destroyed."

"We're giving them a real lesson today. Heavy doesn't accurately describe the level of casualties we have inflicted."

"Their infidels are committing suicide by the hundreds on the gates of Baghdad. Be assured, Baghdad is safe, protected."

"Today I have visited whole Baghdad city, no invaders found. You go and see how we have ousted them from this city. They are cying outside and waiting to receive bullets. They will be killed shortly."

"These images are not the suburbs of Baghdad. From what I glimpsed, these gardens with rows of palm trees on the side, which you saw in the images, are located in the south of Abu Ghreib, where we have surrounded the Americans and British."

When told coalition troops occupied Baghdad airport -
"...at Saddam Airport? Now that's just silly!"

"The situation is excellent, they are going to try to approach Baghdad...and I believe their grave will be there."

"NO", snapped Mr al-Sahaf, "We have retaken the airport. There are NO Americans there. I will take you there and show you. IN ONE HOUR!"

"We defeated them yesterday. God willing, I will provide you with more information. I swear by God, I swear by God, those who are staying in Washington and London have thrown these mercenaries in a crematorium."

"Please, please! The Americans are relying on what I called yesterday a desperate and stupid method."

"They will be burnt. We are going to tackle them"

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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dwmte7 says on Jul 22, 2008, 15:56:

tasco....if you're stayin up nights and doin that, we gotta have a talk.............

dwmte

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Sam Salmon says on Jul 22, 2008, 17:59:

One thing about movements like FARC-they say one thing do another-this is most likely a smokescreen to keep the rank & file in line while the bigwigs negotiate with the Govt for a quick flight to Nicaragua.

' a la orden!'

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billyb says on Jul 22, 2008, 18:32:

Careful Tasco, last time you posted that picture of Baghdad Bob, you got the thread locked for "hate speech" LOL.

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