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Colombia, FARC, Europe and the world ghetto.

After reading some Italian newspapers this morning, I was full of anger.
Large resonance has been given to the "military aggression of Colombia" toward Ecuador.
Not a single line on the documents that prove that Venezuela and Ecuador were working hand in hand with FARC.
They are so biased that they paint Uribe as an aggressor, the head of a imperialist government, a sort of fascist dictator. Uribe is responsible for the hostages not being released.
And the poor Correa and Chavez (what does he have to complain? They do not explain) trying to get justice in an international court, when they were working for the release of Ingrid Betancourt.

So, I moved my lazy ass and went to talk to the Italian Consul in Medellin to protest and see what they are doing. Just to find out that he was more furious than me.
They just cannot get the communication right to Italy. The press is biased, everywhere.
They try, but no results.
So, that's enough said about the kind of support that we can have from home.
He said that we must thank the USA if Colombia won't be considered a world ghetto.

By robi666 on Mar 4, 2008, 11:16 in Politics & the war.

robi666 says on Mar 4, 2008, 11:17:

What about France, Germany, Spain or England?

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

kalder says on Mar 4, 2008, 11:44:

That's appalling. But, alas, no surprise. Italy's media, education system, arts etc. have a reputation for entrenched leftist bias. Italy's finest 20th century novel, Eugenio Corti's 'The Red Horse', has been virtually blacklisted by the commie intelligentsia.

Sorry Robi, I'm ranting. Back to what you were saying:Your query about our media's take on it is a sound one. I've so far being only following events through Caracol. I'll go and surf the press websites now.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

kalder says on Mar 4, 2008, 11:46:

The London Times seems to be taking a dispassionate approach- just reporting the events. However, most of the comments from subscribers are taking an ANTI-Chavez tone.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

kalder says on Mar 4, 2008, 11:54:

Even the left-liberal Guardian newspaper seems measured in its reporting.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

kalder says on Mar 4, 2008, 11:54:

Even the left-liberal Guardian newspaper seems measured in its reporting.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

Desideria (Moderator) says on Mar 4, 2008, 12:00:

For what's it worth, Dagens Nyheter from Stockholm, Sweden, is doing the same thing as The London Times. There's an undercurrent in the reporting that feels slightly negative about BOTH Chavez and Uribe. It's been a mixed bag; while DN praises Chavez' mediation for bringing the hostages out of the jungle, it also criticises Chavez meddling in Colombia's affairs and is trying to fit the recent events in a bigger picture and give some historical background. Perhaps "criticises" is a wrong word; it rather reports the criticism directed at both.

It also reports that the coordinates for Reyes' camp in Ecuador were given to Colombia by the US intelligence (they located a "satellite telephone" Reyes used and pinpointed the source).

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

robi666 says on Mar 4, 2008, 12:06:

So, Desi, not a word about the documents that would prove that Chavez and Correa were working hand in hand with FARC?

Desideria (Moderator) says on Mar 4, 2008, 12:22:

Yes, they are reporting about the laptop and the letters, theat Chavez had sent them the reported amount of money and that they had sent Chavez money when he was in prison; also the rupture of the diplomatic relations with Ecuador ...pretty much the same thing as the rest of the world press.

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

tejasmarcos says on Mar 4, 2008, 13:08:

"It also reports that the coordinates for Reyes' camp in Ecuador were given to Colombia by the US intelligence (they located a "satellite telephone" Reyes used and pinpointed the source)"

- LOL! I knew it! Good ole military industrial complex at work again providing only the finest arsenal available in the world........... I guess it worked.

god is in your head

jonas says on Mar 4, 2008, 13:13:

I am sure if you had read one of Berlusconi´s newspapers you wouldn´t have had to be angry...

What I have, I do not want to lose, but Where I am I do not want to stay, but those I love, I do not want to leave, but those I know I no longer want to see, but Where I die, I do not want to go;I want to stay where I have never been

robi666 says on Mar 4, 2008, 13:23:

Although Berlusconi own newspapers, he cannot control the minds of the people writing in them.
It has been a matter of discussion often, in Italy.
So, don't be so sure that I haven't.

Chriscan says on Mar 4, 2008, 13:27:

Don't worry - more people watch Fox, CNN and other media owned by the corporate cartels.

************* WARNING ************* my words often come from my ass

toneloc24 says on Mar 5, 2008, 07:46:

"It also reports that the coordinates for Reyes' camp in Ecuador were given to Colombia by the US intelligence (they located a "satellite telephone" Reyes used and pinpointed the source)."

Isn't this how...Pablo....Esc...o..bar....was....located and killed??? They'll never learn. LOL!!!

So my next question, if it's so easy to do, bin Laden anyone???

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

tomtom33 says on Mar 5, 2008, 07:57:

Usama uses messenger camels. We haven't figured out how to track camel do yet.

pedro says on Mar 5, 2008, 10:32:

I read somewhere else in the press that the US identified that Reyes was on xyz telephone number by signals interceptions.

They then passed the number over to the Colombian team, who were responsible for tracking the number and usage to its location.

Not sure what can be believed and what can't be, at this stage.

¡save pow wow!

ColombianoGringo says on Mar 5, 2008, 10:38:

Supposedly, the US did identify Reyes position based on a satellite call a few weeks ago. The Colombian government does not deny this, nor is there anything wrong with such intelligence assistance. Since then, Colombian military and police elements had tracked him using more conventional methods. Apparently, he was very cautious and only used a satellite phone on rare occasions.

billyb says on Mar 5, 2008, 10:44:

"It also reports that the coordinates for Reyes' camp in Ecuador were given to Colombia by the US intelligence (they located a "satellite telephone" Reyes used and pinpointed the source)"

" LOL! I knew it! Good ole military industrial complex at work again providing only the finest arsenal available in the world........... I guess it worked."

jaja, those were some tax dollars I didn't mind paying at all

billyb says on Mar 5, 2008, 10:49:

jajaja, you have to love the poetic justice of it. It seems it was a call from our beloved monkey next door that was the one that was tracked to Reyes, yes, there is a god!!!!!

Llamada de Chávez a "Reyes" permitió localizar campamento

Elpais.com.co-EFE

Una llamada telefónica que habría hecho el presidente de Venezuela, Hugo Chávez, al jefe guerrillero "Raúl Reyes", permitió ubicar el campamento, según informes de inteligencia colombiana, divulgados hoy por RCN radio.

La llamada telefónica se produjo el miércoles 27 de febrero, día en que fueron liberados cuatro congresistas colombianos (Gloria Polanco, Luis Eladio Pérez, Orlando Beltrán, Jorge Eduardo Gechem), tras casi siete años secuestrados.

"Chávez emocionado por la liberación de los secuestrados llamó a Reyes (alias de Luis Edgar Devia) y le informó que todo había salido bien", señaló RCN que citó "altas fuentes militares" colombianas.

Los servicios de inteligencia ubicaron la llamada y detectaron que Reyes estaba en territorio colombiano cerca de la frontera con Ecuador, la cruzó "y luego vino el bombardeo", el viernes en la noche y madrugada del sábado, cuando fueron abatidos el jefe rebelde y una veintena mas de guerrilleros.

Según RCN, "el mismo oficial de inteligencia -que pidió expresamente el anonimato- dijo que no deja de ser una ironía que haya sido una llamada del presidente Chávez lo que nos permitió dar de baja a Reyes".

De igual forma, la fuente reveló que el máximo jefe, fundador y líder de las Farc, Manuel Marulanda Vélez, mas conocido como 'Tirofijo' "está refugiado en Venezuela".

Asímismo los servicios de inteligencia "han establecido que (Tirofijo) está enfermo" y "se refugia en una finca venezolana, no cerca de la frontera, al otro lado de la frontera con el departamento (colombiano) de Norte de Santander".

Las fuentes de RCN señalaron también que "Chávez ordenó el traslado de batallones a la frontera para proteger a Tirofijo para evitar que hagan con él en territorio venezolano lo que hicieron con Reyes en Ecuador".

Añadieron que "si movilizan las tropas (en Venezuela y hacia la frontera) es para proteger a Tirofijo", dijo la fuente.

robi666 says on Mar 6, 2008, 03:51:

I didn't want to do it, but... I've done it... I use to stay within decency, but after jonas comment I had to do it...

I opened the web page of the Italian Communist Party newspaper http://www.ilmanifesto.it/ just to learn that...

Colombia is moving her troops to the border with Venezuela and that the RR's computers are an invention of the journalist Patricia Poleo (the same who said that Ingrid was in Venezuela).

Fuck... I made my day...

huskie says on Mar 6, 2008, 04:48:

Well of course, a newspaper run by the communist party....what do you expect? They need to publish something to help their fellow communists, Chavez, Farc, Cuba etc. BTW I read several of the articles and they seem very biased, the editorial March 5 for example
Cheers

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Mar 6, 2008, 09:30:

Dagens Nyheter, Sweden is reporting that all Latin America, with the inclusion of Mexico and Peru as of today, are backing Ecuador and Colombia is only backed by the US.

The deep polarization of Latin America is a fact; or should we say, the unification of a whole continent that wants to see the power of the US diminish in the southern subcontinent.

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

ColombianoGringo says on Mar 6, 2008, 09:32:

That may be so and is not necesarily a bad thing, but they are picking the wrong battle. Opposition to the US should not be expressed by effectively undermining the efforts to battle a terrorist organization such as the farc.

robi666 says on Mar 6, 2008, 12:53:

I would rather be backed by the US then all the rest of the whole world countries.

billyb says on Mar 6, 2008, 13:15:

yup.

romy says on Mar 6, 2008, 13:29:

robi, do you say this because of strategy and coming out on top in any potential conflict? Or is it that the US decides right and wrong?
Personally, I prefer the support of the world. I think it makes everything more justifiable. The populous consensus is what we have come to agree is the closest thing to being able to determine a rightful action, that's why we defend democracy so much.

robi666 says on Mar 6, 2008, 13:45:

Yes, it was an exaggeration, but in case of conflict I would.
And, anyway, having the US by your side is having Europe, Canada, Australia and Japan, almost for sure. And that's more than enough.
Iran and the arabs can back Venezuela if they want. Who really cares...

billyb says on Mar 6, 2008, 13:47:

Populous consensus is what allowed the world to standby while 800,00 Rwandans were massacred, and is what will allow those criminals and their venezuelan puppetmaster to destroy our democracy. At least there is one country out there right now that Colombia can coun't on, the rest can kiss our a$$.