Colombia, Drugs, and trying to Change an Image.

critter says on Aug 9, 2007, 16:18:

I'm with ya, Gomezman5! I'm doing everything on my end to enlight other gringos to the fact that most Colombianos are fun-lovin echadores de bromas and not involved in the drug-trade...honestly, most gringos do not leave their own counties, let alone the country, to see what else is out there...they are certainly missing out on a lot of beautiful life experiences.

On the other side of the coin, I agree Colombianos need to come together to overcome this stereotype of being murdering drug-runners (yes, everyone here knows about the colombian-necktie)...instead of turning a blind eye to what's happening in their neighborhoods, they need to somehow put a stop to it (if there's a will, there's a way). We have the same challenge here in the ghettos of the land of milk and honey!

I'm personally tired of a few payasos colombianos like these guevones (selling to jumpstreet...jajajajja) giving the rest the country's inhabitants a bad name

"Spending eternity in a bad place is a long time!"

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Miguel_Clavo says on Aug 9, 2007, 16:24:

In California, the Mexican population is huge, and the Colombian population not that noticeable....Mexican arrests in the drug trade, from street peddler to the moneymen, happen quite often.....many times, the moneymen are legitimate businessmen....and greed is what drives them.....regardless of the race/nationality....fast easy money....we all have the Hells Angels MC gangs, asian gangs, and a huge Russian mafia as well.(esp in San Francisco)...Los Gatos, CA is a retirement city for the Italian mafia....it is just harder to nail them as one goes up the drug "food chain"...but you are right, many of the illegals who get caught have nothing to lose in the US.....but the higher $$ gains are with the financiers and other "established" people..

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Gomezman5 says on Aug 9, 2007, 16:54:

I'll tell ya critter, it pisses me off to no end when I run into people....educated people in fact, that upon finding out that I am an attorney, start asking me if I am defending all of my fellow countrymen. I tell them, sometime to their amazement, that we re NOT all in the drug trade.

So you see, that no matter how much progress we appear to be making, it's stuff like the above, plastered all over the home page of the DEA web site, that makes me wonder. Sure, everyone knows about how involved the Mexicans are, but proportionally speaking, the numbers are almost non existant. Here in Chicago, when you think of Mexicans, you think of factory workers, the guys that "bus" the tables in restaurants, auto mechanics, painteres, landscapers, and on and on.....and of course you recognize that these guys came here to do jobs that Americans used to do, but they work harder, and get paid less. As a result, nobody give a hoot about the 1 in a 1000 Mexican that is caught in the drug trade.

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critter says on Aug 9, 2007, 17:11:

I used to think I knew what to expect in Mexico, but not anymore. I haven't been back to Mexico since 2000 when I took a baker's dozen (13) of my Spanish students on a travel abroad trip throughout the Yucatan Peninsula...con razon. Many of the cities down there now resemble Medellin back in the '80's...I mean these Cartels are putting the fear of God in everyone down there (including the police and military) exactly the way Escobar did it. Definitely no picnic South of the border in this day and age...and gabo and clavo are saying they hate us gringos!!! What's up with that????

"Spending eternity in a bad place is a long time!"

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Simon says on Aug 9, 2007, 17:12:

Yeah, you're trying to change an image all right. The point to your post is that it's Colombians who SHOULD be known as drug-dealers, not the Mexicans. How wonderful.

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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critter says on Aug 9, 2007, 17:14:

I have nothing but fond memories of Mexico and Colombia...and want to keep it that way...so now I'm off to Venezuela jajajaja

"Spending eternity in a bad place is a long time!"

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Miguel_Clavo says on Aug 9, 2007, 17:37:

hey critter, remind me again why i hate gringos?

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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critter says on Aug 9, 2007, 17:39:

None of us are saying that Simon. No te ofendas pues! Obviously, those two caught with 2 kilos of heroin don't help the cause...and that's the point! There are some major Mexican players in the drug trade (meth, weed, steroids, etc...) here in the states, but these low-level colombian narcos make the headlines, instead. Know why? Cuz we American tax payers just forked over $4Billion over the past few years for plan Colombia, nobody knows if it even helped at all. So, whenever there is a chance to advertise any "headway' in the the war on Colombian cartels, our media and DEA jump all over it! If you spent that kind of jack on a supposed worthy cause, wouldn't you want to see some results??? Well, everyone here is left in the dark, as usual. They don't know that there has been little or no adverse effect or interruption on the cocaine production or delivery business. Granted, Colombia is safer, as a result...but do you think the average American gives a rat's ass about the security situation in Colombia. The fact is, gentlemen, most Americans never even heard of La Farc or know that there's been an on-going war in Colombia for the past four decades. Bottom line for Americans..."if it doesn't adversely effect ME directly today, don't bother me with that shit...I have enough to worry about!"

"Spending eternity in a bad place is a long time!"

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critter says on Aug 9, 2007, 17:44:

And yes, living in gastolandia (usa) is very stressful and difficult to live comfortably...don't kid yourselves. Why else do you think many Americans have pot-bellies? Obviously, eating chatarra on a daily basis contributes to it, but Cortosol, is a stress hormone, is the primary culprit.

"Spending eternity in a bad place is a long time!"

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critter says on Aug 9, 2007, 17:50:

Clavito, the fact is, you really don't hate gringos...there some bigoted idiots, that happen to be white, to whom you would like to give a punazo. Unless, you are talking about a whole trailer park full of white trash...then you have good reason to hate those redneck, nazi-thinking carajos. Please don't condemn all of us for the dirty deeds of the few...hey, I sound colombian more and more everyday jajajaja

"Spending eternity in a bad place is a long time!"

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Miguel_Clavo says on Aug 9, 2007, 17:56:

you had me confused there for a minute...i thought that since i was a half breed of german and mexican, i wasnt aware that the mexican side of me hated the german side of me so much......hmmm....i will have to add that to my Notes to My Therapist List........=)..

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Simon says on Aug 9, 2007, 18:00:

Critter, I was referring to Gomezman.

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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john_stark says on Aug 9, 2007, 18:06:

"Please don't condemn all of us for the dirty deeds of the few."

Nah go ahead. You can cut our nuts off and feed them to the dogs.

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critter says on Aug 9, 2007, 18:36:

Yeah, Clavo...i'm half german too..the rest irish, english,scottish, and cherokee indian...my ancestors were swingers i think.

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critter says on Aug 9, 2007, 18:58:

Go ahead, Mario...nobody here intends on pouncing on you...

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critter says on Aug 9, 2007, 19:11:

Ok, you have condolences regarding your loss (cockatiel)...that's especially tough on kids.

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Portena says on Aug 9, 2007, 19:32:

Maybe the cockatiel will return. My friend had a lovebird that escaped and enjoyed life on the wild side for several months. Then she was able to catch it when it was visiting the bird feeder one day.

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Gomezman5 says on Aug 9, 2007, 20:28:

Wow Mario.....I am really sorry to hear that........You know my (our) soft spot for our FIDS. that is why my Maxie's feather will ALWAYS will be clipped. Only 4-5 of his primary flight feathers are trimmed, so that he has some flight.....only enough to allow for forward thrust, so he can make soft landings, but not enough to allow him to ascend into flight. Anyway........I don't know Mario, don't be too hard on her. She is probably heart broken. As to the chances of the bird returning.....don't mean to sound negative, but I am sure you know, they are poor. The accelerated metabolism requires that they have water and food quickly. No more that 72 hours. Also, it has no natural flock to protect it. Lastly, it is domesticated. It is very very scared, it does not know where to forage for food, and it it probably up in a tree trying to figure out its next move. But all we can do is pray and hope for the best.

Hints though.....and they work...sometimes...
1. Do you have a Craigslist? If so, post an ad there.
2.like I said, he is probably scared and is not too far. Walk the neighborhood calling for him. He may fly back. If he has bonded to your daughter....let her do the walking since he will fly more readily to the person he has bonded to.
3. Put the cage outside.
4. Poster the neighborhood for blocks with a picture ---include contact info
5. Place signs in your local convenience store---again contact info

OK......so this is what some of the people have done on my Parrot forum and sometimes it works.

And Portena.....as to someone's cockatiel returning "several months later"......sorry, that will not happen. The bird could never survive in the wild that long. If Mario cannot recover the bird in the next few days, the best he can hope for is that someone else found the bird, realized it was a pet bird, and then took it in to their home to be their pet

And.....last but not least Simon. Look, the situation is what it is. I cannot help it if a huge section of our people, cannot find enough ways to defame our people. I know it kills you to hear someone else say it, and it kills you even more to see that a fellow Colombian says it, but pushing it under the rug does nothing to solve the problem. I took the above right off of the home page of the DEA web site. Suffice to say, if you have a problem with people exposing the TRUTH about certain negative traits that seem to be prevalent among our people, contact the DEA and let them know that you don't approve of them defaming your (our) people. This is a forum about Colombia, and it's places like these where matters of this nature need to be discussed. I think Mario agrees with me because all though he is not Colombian, he is as close to being Colombian as you can get, he is married to one and he has given his life to her, so he probably gets sick and tired of hearing the negative crap, but at the same time, he gets pissed when he hears about people that act in such a way that serves only to reinforce the negative stigma..........

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Simon says on Aug 9, 2007, 20:38:

I'm not complaining about the DEA defaming our people, I'm complaining about you doing it!

You say this needs to be discussed here on this forum, with a bunch of non-Colombians? That's hilarious!!

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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critter says on Aug 9, 2007, 20:52:

Don't be such an isolationist, there Simon. Colombiano o no todos amamos tu patria.

"Spending eternity in a bad place is a long time!"

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Simon says on Aug 9, 2007, 20:56:

"Colombiano o no todos amamos tu patria"

I wish I could believe that, but you should see a lot of the crap people write about my country and its people on here. I tell my Colombian family and friends about it and they are also disgusted by it.

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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critter says on Aug 9, 2007, 21:05:

Te entiendo bien porque todo el mundo habla mal de mi patria tambien...pero no me importa porque yo se la verdad de mi pais, gobierno, gente, y cultura. Asi que sigas luchando por tu gente y cultura. Ten fe, amigo...Dios tiene control de todo.

"Spending eternity in a bad place is a long time!"

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Gomezman5 says on Aug 9, 2007, 21:18:

Simon.....you live in Colombia. I live in the US. Do you really think that read or hear as much crap about Colombia as I do? Man if you were here in Chicago, I think you would go "postal". Now, quite to the contrary, most of the non Colombians on this forum are crazy about Colombia......(albeit not always for the best of reasons) But, with the exception of the interloping troll, I think most of the non Colombians participating here, really only see or concentrate on the positive aspects of this forum.

OK....look, it don't want to turn this into war ...I just wanted to make a point, for whatever it's worth......Anyway......Mario......find that Cockatiel!!! If you want anymore suggestions, go to this web site:

http://www.lovethosetiels.net/

The moderator/owner is Carrie Anne, tell her that Marcos sent you to her.......She may have some ideas

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critter says on Aug 9, 2007, 21:19:

I agree that the gringolandia is morally bankrupt...as for the comment regarding a cult...I'll let it go...I see that you are venting!

"Spending eternity in a bad place is a long time!"

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Simon says on Aug 9, 2007, 21:20:

There are a few good non-Colombians on here, like you, and I really appreciate you guys sticking up for my country. But too bad they're in the minority here. What I hate even worse is to see these so-called Colombians on here trash talking their own country, now that's revolting. Especially one guy who expresses his loathing for everything south of Barranquilla on every thread. This idiot doesn't realize that all he does is make us all look bad!!

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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Simon says on Aug 9, 2007, 21:23:

"Man if you were here in Chicago, I think you would go "postal"."

Believe me I know!! Why do you think I moved back?

I got tired of dealing with prejudice every other day, who needs to put up with that crap?

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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Simon says on Aug 9, 2007, 21:26:

I was educated in both countries, the US and Colombia.

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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john_stark says on Aug 9, 2007, 21:27:

"Especially one guy who expresses his loathing for everything south of Barranquilla on every thread. This idiot doesn't realize that all he does is make us all look bad!!"

Elmo is one of the only authentically Colombian posters on the forum. He reminds me of my corroncho brothers-in-law who are also vallenato-listening, aguardiente-drinking, cockfight enthusiasts. Music, blood, drunkenness and violence! What could be more Colombian than that?

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Simon says on Aug 9, 2007, 21:29:

Well, I did make some good friends in the US that I still keep in touch with. But those experiences did make me very defensive about my country, it also made me love it more, much more so than before I left.

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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goin_south says on Aug 9, 2007, 21:29:

Hey Gomexman5....."Colombians, by and large, are still at the top of the list....number one in fact when you take into account just how many are here versus how many Mexicans are here."

Hey GMan5,... HOW MANY ARE THERE???

Si; Mario... Monpirri is correct in concept many times, when he states that GOMEXICOMAN5 is.....just that.... always supporting and propping up the Mexican populace and dys-ing the Colombians.

Wheres the Beef, G5? You state again and again in your OP,... 'many,...many'... Well, HOW MANY? WHAT ARE THE NUMBERS?

I gotta side (unusually) with S. Simon on this one.

Hey, Mario. I thought Simon was ColX jr ;)
No?

Where do we go from here?

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Simon says on Aug 9, 2007, 21:32:

"S. Simon"? As in 'Super' Simon I hope, right?


Besides, Goin South, what's your beef with me? I don't remember messing with you.

And what's a ColX?

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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goin_south says on Aug 9, 2007, 21:32:

Mario... this is a complex thread;
He was educated in... a manger, I think. (with lowing cattle) ;)

Where do we go from here?

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critter says on Aug 9, 2007, 21:33:

Colombiano X was (and still is in my book) the biggest defender of colombia

"Spending eternity in a bad place is a long time!"

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goin_south says on Aug 9, 2007, 21:35:

""I don't remember messing with you.""

S Simon,... You also have 'BAD MEMORY'.
Necesite memoire nuevemente.

Where do we go from here?

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critter says on Aug 9, 2007, 21:35:

Simon, if you think you go ape-shit over off-color comments about Colombia, you haven't seen anything until you come across ColX

"Spending eternity in a bad place is a long time!"

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goin_south says on Aug 9, 2007, 21:36:

but, stop sweatin; I'm still on yer side here.






sorta.

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john_stark says on Aug 9, 2007, 21:37:

I don't buy the sterile antiseptic version of Colombia that gets peddled here ("safer than your own home town!"). My own experiences and the stories I have heard are filled with violence and mayhem, stories of paracos and mafiosi, of Pablo Escobar and sicarios gunning down the innocent and not so innocent. Tales of shootouts over traffic mishaps and hijacked buses and people getting kidnapped left right and center. Every Colombian I know has countless similar stories to tell, hell, it's like the Old West of Wyatt Earp and Billy the Kid. You gotta love it.

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goin_south says on Aug 9, 2007, 21:37:

OH... GO ON, MAN. GET OUTTA HERE; YER KILLIN ME... jejjje

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Simon says on Aug 9, 2007, 21:37:

"Do you expect the assholes you encountered to make sense? Then why should they personally affect you? No reason"

The thing is I even heard my teachers badmouth Colombia and some other pretty unsuspecting (i.e. college educated) people too. And whenever Colombia was mentioned by supposedly educated people on the news, it was never in a flattering way. It was very frustrating to ALWAYS hear your country portrayed in that manner.

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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goin_south says on Aug 9, 2007, 21:38:

(I don't even like the dude,. but... HE'S DE MAN!)
Lots of people doing steroids that AIN'T HITTING HOME RUNS...

NOW, what's that got to do with this thread???

Where do we go from here?

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critter says on Aug 9, 2007, 21:38:

He would debate all the members on this site at the same time, defending his patria amada, even if he was dead wrong in his argument.

"Spending eternity in a bad place is a long time!"

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Simon says on Aug 9, 2007, 21:39:

"Simon, if you think you go ape-shit over off-color comments about Colombia, you haven't seen anything until you come across ColX"


Yeah, Monpirri told me about him, cool.

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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goin_south says on Aug 9, 2007, 21:40:

I think he (Col X) still lurks on pbh...
yeah, yer right, critter...
He was an EXAMPLE!!!
a GOOD ONE, who took alot of heat.
and, finally felt the burn.

Where do we go from here?

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goin_south says on Aug 9, 2007, 21:42:

GoMEXICOman5, I think, is spinning his story up there.....WITH NO SUPPORT OF EVIDENCE.

As usual,.......on the side of Mexico, and against his countrymen.

Where do we go from here?

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critter says on Aug 9, 2007, 21:43:

I always like reading his comments!

"Spending eternity in a bad place is a long time!"

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Gomezman5 says on Aug 9, 2007, 23:42:

Goin South, I have not responded to your comment because I would have hoped you would have realized how silly they were. However, you either did not understand my posts (for some unknown reasons) or you really are quite ignorant of reality. I spell it our for you.

Mexicans as a people out number Colombians to such a great degree, that if you added up all of the other Latino/hispanic groups together.....everyone...from each and every country, the number of Mexican people still blows away the number of other hispanic/Latinos. Are following me or is this still over your head? Don't believe me? Try doing a simple Google search. It only took me about 30 seconds to come up with the stats you so vitally demand, but were either too lazy, or incapable of finding yourself......Behold:

pewhispanic.org/files/factsheets/2.pdf

Now, given the fact that the number of Colombian people in the US is so small, small enough that if every one left the country right now, the overall change in Latino population percentage wise would not even move an entire percentage point, I find it particularly disgusting that a disproportionate share of them are involved in illegal activities. You and Mr. Simon should check the DEA, FBI, and Chicago Police Dept stats and they can tell you how incredibly high the number of Colombian related drug arrests are.

Sure, in raw numbers, more Mexicans are arrested. Gee I wonder why....Hmmmm. Maybe because they have a border to sneak accress? Or, maybe because Colombia has gotten several billion dollars in aide to fight the drug war with all of this money being sent directly to Colombia?? Or maybe it is something else. I know two things. Almost all of the Drugs brought in by Colombians, are brought in by Colombians who were issued a tourist visa by the US, and then they abused their visas by hauling drugs in here. Let me tell you something....a lot of Americans hate Colombians for that very reason. Day after day, the Colombians that end up getting arrested are those that come here just to bring in drugs. Why do you think that it takes so fucking long to get your luggage at MIA? Why do you think the dogs search all the bags before they get dropped off ? You know, you guys talk such nonsense, I don't even know how you really can subscribe to what you say.

So there you are Goin South..... you have your answer. You have your numbers.,.,the very same ones that you were incapable of finding yourself.....for some reason or another.

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Robert Jorge says on Aug 9, 2007, 23:58:

Gman5. You imply that most of the Colombians that bring in drugs, do so while holding a tourist visa. I would answer that by saying hardly ANY Colombians with valid tourist visas are caught, or get away with, importing cocaine. To make it easier to understand, "An infinitesimal amount of legal Colombian tourists import cocaine". This isn't 1978, this isn't 1985. The majority of drugs now enter the US across the US / MEXICAN border. The guys and gals bringing these drugs over didn't visit the US consulate in Bogota for a tourist visa. And, most of them aren't Colombian.

BEWARE of gold diggers.

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goin_south says on Aug 10, 2007, 00:11:

"disproportionate share of them"
there U go again.... #'s?

Mr GoMexicoMan5... you are the one making the argument.. supply the numbers.
(whoops... ;) tu es colombiano... 'supplying the "numbers"..' would incriminate yourself, I guess, now wouldn't it Mr GMxMn5?

I understood your freakin f*q'd-up post.

"you really are quite ignorant of reality"
Funny, ... the Mods ALWAYS let you get away with sh*t like that.... while they zapp and delete others for the same stuff...

Where do we go from here?

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goin_south says on Aug 10, 2007, 00:14:

I have seen you here, attacking others for RAMBLING ON AND ON and stating as FACT... their own arguments, without substance....But then...

You could just have made something up anyway, I guess.

YOU DID ;)

Where do we go from here?

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goin_south says on Aug 10, 2007, 00:16:

Monpirri.. wake up and..... puke! after you read this...

Where do we go from here?

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goin_south says on Aug 10, 2007, 00:17:

U must have made your paypal payment today ;)

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goin_south says on Aug 10, 2007, 00:24:

The public is reminded that a complaint is not evidence of guilt and all defendants in a criminal case are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

Oh, so you .. G5 are exploiting/quoting the very media here on pbh that all of you colombians so love to hate, to support your argument... Liberal...Sap.

Where do we go from here?

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Gomezman5 says on Aug 10, 2007, 00:27:

Robert Jorge.....welcome to the party..............but before you comment, and take what I have said out of context, I suggest that you READ THE ENTIRE THREAD. You obviously DID NOT. Because, if you would have done so, you would have understood my point.

My point, as explained throughout the thread, is that given the how few Colombians there actually are in the US, they STILL represent a disproportionately high number of drug arrests. I did not say that most Colombians with visas are involved in drug trafficking, but only that their numbers remain quite high. You don't have to debate me, the federal government keeps these statistics.

May I also add that you guys have a tendency to just overlook the obvious.....simple logic by the way. Lastly, since so much of the world's illicit drugs comes from Colombia, don't you think that it stands to reason that Colombia is still going to have the most trafficers? How do you think the drugs leave there? Ya think Captain Kirk just beams them over to the US.......One more thing, it was Colombia that put the Mexicans in the drug business in fhe first place....or don't you all remember that?

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goin_south says on Aug 10, 2007, 00:30:

and, it is the Mexicans that have taken the position of FEDERALES EXPRESSE for delivering drugs from Colombia to the USA...

OR... don't you remember that?

Where do we go from here?

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Gomezman5 says on Aug 10, 2007, 00:34:

This is really cool.....you're gone. Goin south.....you are just gone. I clicked on "ignore user" and I can't find any of your gibberish. No stay there...or here, or .......? Ha ha. I have never used this tool. SO Goin south, you can just keep writing and writing. You will see it. Everyone else will see it, but I see nothing of yours........have fun.

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goin_south says on Aug 10, 2007, 00:48:

Tengo.....muchas ..... lagrimas.... ;)...;))...;)))

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Monpirri says on Aug 10, 2007, 03:48:

"Monpirri.. wake up and..... puke! after you read this..."

I agree Goin_south. This guy lives in his regional air bubble!
There is no cure of that type of disease.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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webmanco says on Aug 10, 2007, 04:21:

Should the ignore button be rename the Chicken button??





Holliwood and the media are the ones that need to change the stigma of Colombia and to stop glorifying cocaine as something cool. But both goverments (some lawyers included) are tainted with drug money. Big fishes pay less time in jail, if they ever get caught.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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webmanco says on Aug 10, 2007, 04:44:

http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/colombian-talentanother-novela-p...

En Colombia no nos ayudamos mucho que digamos.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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Monpirri says on Aug 10, 2007, 05:09:

Y mucha gente no sabe defender el pais!
El mensaje de las series es lo mas importante porque hay mucha gente que no entiende un carajo porque algunos pueden que vean la telenovela y segun su imaginacion se meten al negocio de vanida o de las droga, pero tambien existe gente inteligente que va ha captar el mensaje de novela. Que la vanidad y el crimen no paga!!! Por eso la muchacha protogonista de la novela termino en la calle en muchacho maton termino muerto.
Also, the true story happened long time ago!!!!! Do you live in Colombia or where?
Este este el mensaje que los artistas de novela presentaron, "La plata no es paraíso y para el paraíso jamás ha habido atajos"!

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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Colombiche says on Aug 10, 2007, 06:39:

This is a lot like a post I wrote a couple of weeks ago.

When I was in Mexico I had mexicans crack a few drug jokes at me, actually a lot of drug jokes.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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gabolicious says on Aug 10, 2007, 07:02:

Critter said "and gabo and clavo are saying they hate us gringos!!! " excuse me???

Wow it's wonderful that you let me know I hate gringos!!!! jajajajajajajajaja YOU HAVE NO CLUE OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MAN!!!!

NO!!!! I DON'T LIKE SOME "SITUATIONS" BETWEEN MEXICAN-AMERICAN RELATIONSHIP, YES! I HAVE HAD BAD MOMENTS IN THE US... BUT I AM NOT SO STUPID AS TO LABEL ALL GRINGOS AS MALDITOS GRINGOS....

THANK YOU!!!!!

Elección no canonización....

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gabolicious says on Aug 10, 2007, 07:54:

Finalmente, y de acuerdo con lo que me hizo entrar a este sitio (Colombia y no Mexico), puedo decir que nosotros mismos somos quien puede limpiar la imagen de nuestra gente y de nuestro país, NOSOTROS MISMOS, es iluso pensar siquiera en números... eso no resuelve el problema de "nuestra" imagen en el exterior. A mí en lo particular, me intersa muy poco si los colombianos delincuentes en EU son residentes legales o no, finalmente son delincuentes....

Yo creo que lo que debemos hacer nosotros como Colombianos en el exterior, es demostrar de qué estamos hechos y lo echados pa'lante que somos. Hacerles notar a los demás que si hay delincuentes que son colombianos, lo son por su educación o valores inculcados o por alguna otra situación, no por el simpre hecho de ser Colombianos, si el resto del mundo cree que los colombianos son delincuentes por ser colombianos, están mal, los delincuentes son delincuentes independientemente de su nacionalidad...

G5 nací en Mexico pero solo 5 años de mi vida he vivido en ese hermoso país, mis verdaderas raíces estan en Colombia, si tú quieres resaltar que los colombianos narcotraficantes en USA son peores que los mexicanos porque éstos últimos no residen legalmente en USA.. te tengo una noticia, ambos son delicuentes y la gravedad del delito es par, independientemente de si son colombianos o mexicanos.

Elección no canonización....

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LA_MONA says on Aug 10, 2007, 07:59:

"Yo creo que lo que debemos hacer nosotros como Colombianos en el exterior, es demostrar de qué estamos hechos y lo echados pa'lante que somos. Hacerles notar a los demás que si hay delincuentes que son colombianos, lo son por su educación o valores inculcados o por alguna otra situación, no por el simpre hecho de ser Colombianos, si el resto del mundo cree que los colombianos son delincuentes por ser colombianos, están mal, los delincuentes son delincuentes independientemente de su nacionalidad..."

ASI SE HABLA AMIGUITO

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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LA_MONA says on Aug 10, 2007, 08:00:

"Yo creo que lo que debemos hacer nosotros como Colombianos en el exterior, es demostrar de qué estamos hechos y lo echados pa'lante que somos. Hacerles notar a los demás que si hay delincuentes que son colombianos, lo son por su educación o valores inculcados o por alguna otra situación, no por el simpre hecho de ser Colombianos, si el resto del mundo cree que los colombianos son delincuentes por ser colombianos, están mal, los delincuentes son delincuentes independientemente de su nacionalidad..."

ASI SE HABLA AMIGUITO

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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jinksmiester says on Aug 10, 2007, 08:00:

It will take time to change the image and perceptions manny people have of colombia.But i think it is happening.Colombia still has a lot to overcome but i think they are headed in the right direction and hopefully the quality of live is improving for most colombians.As far as colombians bringing drugs into the U.S im sure thats minscule...that said im sure lots of the drugs originate from colombia.
Mexico is right on the doorstep of the U.S. and where the vast majority of drugs are entering.With a huge market like the U.S.and big money to be made its no doubt difficult if not impossible to win the war on drugs.As long as people are willing to buy there is gonna be a market to sell.

A man is not old until regret takes the place of dreams

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LA_MONA says on Aug 10, 2007, 08:15:

GIb Colombia always take's the heat...
but I still find that a bit extreme jajaja

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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gabolicious says on Aug 10, 2007, 08:18:

ah! Monita es que ya estoy cansado de escuchar lo mismo una y otra vez...

argumentos tan tontos por ambos lados...

Eso es bastante aburrido.... a mí que me importa si hay mas mexicanos (que encima son ilegales) vendiendo droga en US que colombianos "decentes" haciendo lo mismo? no te parece absurdo? finalmente los dos son delincuentes.... como dice jinks limpiar una mala imagen toma tiempo, no se puede hacer de la noche a la mañana, en eso estoy de acuerdo.... nosotros colombianos ocupémonos de Colombia y si G5 es un fan de Mexico está bien, pero seguramente habrá otros sitios que hablen de México, este es un sitio dedicado a Colombia

Elección no canonización....

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Aug 10, 2007, 08:21:

But now Mexico and Central America are also becoming consumers. I saw a blurb in the paper about domestic consumption increasing 20% last year. Perhaps from a small base, but that's still a lot.

The US should nuke Britain and Spain, since their per capita consumption sometimes exceeds that of the U.S. The U.S. should also nuke Mexico, Colombia and Brazil and then Britain could nuke the U.S. and Afghanistan. That leaves the Russians and Chinese charge.

Back to the drawing board...

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LA_MONA says on Aug 10, 2007, 08:22:

Tinto if you go to a bar here you know people are sniffing in the toilets, it's horrible. You see it all the time here, it makes me sick.

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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gabolicious says on Aug 10, 2007, 08:23:

GIB que bueno que Colombia no está cerca de USA de lo contrario también querrías "just nuke us off the planet. ;)"

cierto?

Elección no canonización....

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Aug 10, 2007, 08:25:

Well, Mona, on the bright side, maybe with the credit market meltdown all those super rich hedge fund managers that have blossomed in London recently, won't be so super rich.

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gabolicious says on Aug 10, 2007, 08:28:

I know GIB!!!!

A little bit of irony does not hurt anybody! jajajajajajaja

esta vaina está muy tensa.... jajajajajajaja

Elección no canonización....

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LA_MONA says on Aug 10, 2007, 08:33:

Oh ok that's ok then, yeah I would not do that, you do not need to spend tonnes of money to have a good time with the right person....

Women are very complex....good luck!! ;-)

Maybe the guys who have found good women can help ja ja ja

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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LA_MONA says on Aug 10, 2007, 08:33:

Oooppsss!!!! Ignore that it was meant for another post, ay que peeena!

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Aug 10, 2007, 08:46:

They did, GIB. And later a European CNN exec was quickly axed when he said soldiers were targeting journalists.





(the first sentence is false, the second is true)

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critter says on Aug 10, 2007, 09:51:

Gabo, I didn't mean that you and clavo hate us, but you did say the rest of the world is more welcome in mexico than gringos hoy en dia, que no?

"Spending eternity in a bad place is a long time!"

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gabolicious says on Aug 10, 2007, 09:59:

sí critter pero YO GABO no soy el resto de México... entendés?

Además yo no dije que TODO México, yo dije la mayoría de los mexicanos.... y eso no significa TODO México, a mi no me gusta generalizar, y trato de no hacerlo... si yo dijera que porque he tenido malos momentos en USA los voy a etiquetar entonces me estoy contradiciendo cuando pido a ciertas personas que no generalicen... hay gringos muy muy muy nice... como aqui en PBH y hay otros que no das ni un centavo por ellos, por malditos racistas.... mira tal vez sea un ejemplo muy tonto pero Sandra Bullock es gringa no?, bueno tuve la oportunidad de conocerla y te digo que es la mujer más cool que he conocido en mi vida, con gringos "relajados" como ella yo no tengo ningún problema dude... así como me imagino que tu tampoco tendras algun problema con los colombianos y mexicanos relajados, cierto?

Elección no canonización....

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goin_south says on Aug 10, 2007, 10:53:

"..now Mexico and Central America are also becoming consumers.."
Of course; there's too many gringos living there now... consumption of every thing is probably going up... greedy consumer junkies that we are

Where do we go from here?

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goin_south says on Aug 10, 2007, 10:54:

...And, please don't be relaying any of my messagesto GOMEXICOMAN5 ;)

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critter says on Aug 10, 2007, 11:39:

sip son bien cheveres...ambos grupos siempre me han tratado como primo hermano

"Spending eternity in a bad place is a long time!"

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gabolicious says on Aug 10, 2007, 12:04:

Critter si te refieres a los colombianos y a los mexicanos estoy casi seguro que NO te han tratado como primo-hermano, estoy seguro que te han tratado como HERMANO!!!

=D

Elección no canonización....

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critter says on Aug 10, 2007, 12:07:

verdad que si...tienes toda la razon, amigo...bendicion!!!

"Spending eternity in a bad place is a long time!"

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goin_south says on Aug 11, 2007, 16:10:

It's really not that they are in denial, just as it seems about a few other pointed issues, GIB.
Just that they want people to know the good aspects of their country as well.

People's lives around the world are influenced TOO MUCH BY THE MEDIA.
I have stated here before: I DO NOT HAVE AND HAVE NOT HAD TELEVISION in My House for 7 years or more, now.

I watched about two hours 'on the tube' yesterday at my parents house and commented as I left...'I've been thinking about getting cable hooked back up for the kids... but... I think I'll leave it alone'.... Nothing but the sensational stuff on the tube, on most channels.
Little reality.

Where do we go from here?

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Man Tequila says on Aug 11, 2007, 16:44:

Only about 62% of the world's cocaine comes from Colombia. They've been making great strides in Peru, Venezuela and Bolivia. TV is okay in moderation, but the average US family watches seven hours a day of TV, which is nuts. And not just a few pecans in the trail mix nuts.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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gabolicious says on Aug 11, 2007, 17:03:

"It's really not that they are in denial, just as it seems about a few other pointed issues, GIB. Just that they want people to know the good aspects of their country as well. "

Justo en el blanco GS

Elección no canonización....

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goin_south says on Aug 11, 2007, 18:48:

"....really.......denial....."
that was almost 1 of those oxymorons, wasn't it?

Where do we go from here?

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Miguel says on Aug 11, 2007, 19:40:

Good thread, G5...too bad out of over 100 replies in your thread only about 5 people get it. Así es PBSH.

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goin_south says on Aug 11, 2007, 19:51:

Ah...jeez, miguel... you think there are a few good colombians in the USA?

Where do we go from here?

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gabolicious says on Aug 11, 2007, 19:54:

Miguel was I one of those who got it???

I don't know!!!

Elección no canonización....

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goin_south says on Aug 11, 2007, 22:10:

Hey, miguel. Did 'YOU' get it?

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goin_south says on Aug 11, 2007, 22:13:

"""Why do you think that it takes so fucking long to get your luggage at MIA?"""

Jeeez... gomexicoman5... is it because..............TU ES COLOMBIANO????
I got my luggage in about 10 seconds, going through customs 6 weeks ago..... being the good, upright, clean-cut flag-waving and wearing 'merican that I M. jajjaa

Where do we go from here?

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goin_south says on Aug 13, 2007, 09:11:

Hey; I take offense with putting me in the same sentence as J. D.
I think you been using.

You need some rest.

Where do we go from here?

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goin_south says on Aug 13, 2007, 22:01:

I think you been using.
You need some rest.

;)

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