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Colombia defeats Mexico 2-1 in Gold Cup! Viva Colombiaaaaa!!!!

It's all about getting to Germany

Colombia's going to give its best against Mexico today, but make no mistake about it: Nothing distracts the team from qualifying for the World Cup

By DAVID BARRON
Copyright 2005 Houston Chronicle

Colombia faces a formidable challenge today in what amounts to a home game for Mexico at Reliant Stadium, but it arrives with a whisper of momentum and a glimmer of optimism along what it hopes will be the road to the 2006 World Cup.

Like most teams in the CONCACAF Gold Cup, which continues today with two quarterfinal matches at Reliant, Colombia is without many of its best, most experienced international players as it prepares for what is, on paper, a stronger Mexican side that is ranked sixth in the world by FIFA, the sport's governing body. (Colombia is 25th.)

But defender Hayder Palacio said the Cafeteros have benefited from their invitation to the Gold Cup as one of two guests, along with South Africa, from outside the federation's region of North America, Central America and the Caribbean.

Of course, after starting the tournament with losses to Panama and Honduras before beating Trinidad and Tobago, the fact Colombia is still playing is a plus.

"We know the way we started this tournament was horrible," Palacio said. "For the first two games against Panama and Honduras, maybe we thought we'd win by just putting on the jersey."

There is precedent for an upset.

Colombia beat Mexico 1-0 in the 2001 Copa America final before a home crowd at Bogota. It also advanced to a quarterfinal at the 2003 Gold Cup but lost to Brazil.

Angling toward World Cup
More important than today's outcome is any momentum that Colombia can generate in its uphill struggle to qualify for next year's World Cup in Germany.

Veteran goalkeeper Farid Mondragón, a member of Colombia's last two World Cup teams in 1994 and 1998, said he sees encouraging signs from some of the younger players who traveled to the United States when more experienced players were unable to compete in the Gold Cup.

"This is not our true squad," Mondragón said. "But it's good to get players a little bit of experience so that they know how they have to behave when they put on the national team jersey."

Mondragón is particularly impressed with Oscar Passo, a midfielder who plays for Tolima in Colombia.

"He will give us a very good hand in the next three qualification games," he said.

Striker Tressor Moreno, perhaps the top player on Colombia's Gold Cup squad, said Colombia will be more focused today than it was in group play.

"Playing against a rival with such caliber, the motivation is greater, as is our focus," he said. "We hope to be more conscious about the mistakes that have been made."

Mondragón doesn't even mind that Reliant Stadium will be filled with Mexican fans.

"In Europe, we're used to playing in full houses," he said. "Sometimes in this tournament, you don't have the massive crowds. The atmosphere for this one will be fantastic."

Mexico will be without striker Jared Borgetti, who received yellow cards in back-to-back games, but Mondragón said Mexico's speed and finesse remain concerns.

"I admire their coach (Ricardo La Volpe)," he said. "He is a very intelligent man and has introduced some skill and mentality that the Mexican guys didn't have before."

Colombia also has benefited from a coaching change. Reinaldo Rueda, who led Colombia to third place in the 2003 under-20 world championships, took over in January 2004 from Francisco Maturana, whose team was in last place in the South American qualifying standings for the World Cup.

After three losses and a tie under Maturana, Colombia has four wins and four ties in 10 qualifying games under Rueda, including wins last month of 5-0 over Peru and 3-0 over Ecuador, to pull into a tie with Chile for fifth place.

The top four South American teams — currently Argentina, Brazil, Ecuador and Paraguay — qualify for the World Cup.

The fifth-place team faces a playoff against a team from the Oceanic federation — Australia, New Zealand and 10 other island nations — to make the field.

Colombia's final three games in the qualifying round are against Uruguay, Chile and fourth-place Paraguay.

A shaky opening
Colombia's patchwork Gold Cup squad started slowly, losing its opener 1-0 to Panama and then falling 2-1 to Honduras on two goals by Wilmer Velasquez in the 78th and 82nd minutes.

Colombia also struggled against Trinidad and Tobago before goals by Abel Aguilar and Hector Hurtado in the 75th and 78th minutes, respectively, produced a 2-0 win to clinch a trip to Reliant Stadium.

"What we needed out of this (Gold Cup) was a win, and the fact that we qualified for the (quarterfinals) also helps," Mondragón said.

Mondragón and Alexis Mendoza, a former defender who works as an assistant coach, are the only holdovers on the Gold Cup squad from Colombia's promising teams of the mid-1990s.

In 1994, the Cafeteros came to the World Cup in the United States as a dark horse to win but were eliminated after a 2-1 loss to the United States in a game that is remembered for an own-goal by Colombian defender Andrés Escobar.

Escobar was shot to death less than two weeks later at a bar near Medellin.

Rueda said Colombia's recent improvement leads him to believe the team is creeping back to form.

"The national team has greatly evolved with the work that has been done at the youth level for many years," he said. "I think that it is close to reaching that level."

david.barron at chron.com Chronicle staff writers John P. Lopez and Bernardo Fallas contributed to this report.

By ColombianoX on Jul 17, 2005, 14:23 in Friendly Talkzone.

kernow62 says on Jul 17, 2005, 15:02:

A good match, I am glad Colombia won. They looked quite good, attacking quickly and some dodgy early defending by Mexico could have gotten Colombia off to a very early lead. Mexico never looked that good in this match, whether it was Colombia that made them look bad or whether they had a bad match...

A win is a win and Colombia desrved this one.

Gomezman5 says on Jul 17, 2005, 15:05:

A victory.......but a sort of hollow one Look, both sides were missing key members of their squad. Mexico did not have their main Goal Tender Oswaldo Sanchez in Goal. Today's game prooves conclusively how valuable he really is. Mexcio was also missing Borghetti, and Fonseca. Marquez got hurt early and was not really able to play as a result.

As to Colombia, and to their credit, they were also experimenting with some newer players and similarly were without their top guns that will sure be a part of the World Cup Squad.

So I guess what I am saying is that this game can be parallelled to taking a Major League Baseball team, benching the main players, and callting up thier AAA afffiliates and fielding them with the parent team's uniforms. If just does not register with me as truly being representative of both teams. Only an ia non informed person can say that the team Mexico that was playing today was truly representative of the real Team Mexico.

Let me conclude however by saying that this is another important vicory for Colombia from a psychological perspective. Loses to Panama (a miserable team in any light) and Honduras (a mediocre team at best), caused Colombia to have to pull off a victory to give themselves confidence.

And that is why I think these kinds of games are ---- sort of meaningless.

kikiortiz11 says on Jul 17, 2005, 15:17:

very good colombia muy bien colombia . they completed with everything today against mexico. attacked pretty consistently and defended very well. too bad mexico got their goal. but overall i was very satisfied with their play today. they wore the shirt today with pride. hoy si lucharon los jugadores .. now colombia must concentrate on south africa or panama. and hopefully they take them seriously.

gomezman5. yea , both teams didnt have their top players, but they still had very good players out on the field. if both teams would have had their top guys it would have been a total different story. probably colombia 4-0 mexico.

Kiki Ortiz-Matallana

Gomezman5 says on Jul 17, 2005, 15:23:

Kiki... I just can't accept that this was a game that was truely representative of reality. I will put it in another way, the teams you saw today, are in no way truely representative of the type teams you would see if this was a World Cup Match. Not even close. And with Borghettti out, that is like 1/3 of all the scoring power. He is one of the top scorers in the world. If Colombia had Borghetti, they would be invincible

ColombianoX says on Jul 17, 2005, 15:40:

Gomez,

So Mexico was without Borguetti? So what? Colombia was without JUAN PABLO ANGEL (Aston Villa), IVAN RAMIRO CORDOBA (Inter Milan), MARIO YEPES (Paris St. Germain), LUIS AMARANTO PEREA (Atletico Madrid), FABIAN VARGAS (Boca Juniors), JOHN VIAFARA (Portsmouth) LUIS GABRIEL REY (Morelia), EDIXON PEREA (Atletico Nacional), HUGO RODALLEGA, etc.!!! All world-class players who play in some of the best leagues in the world.

Colombia was missing more top players than Mexico today. That was basically Colombia's Under- 23 team out there today, with the exception of Tressor Moreno, Mondragon, and Patiño.

Just be happy we kicked their CULOS today and quit making up excuses for their loss.

Saludes,

ColombianoX

'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

Gomezman5 says on Jul 17, 2005, 15:57:

Bogetti???? That's all?? And, Blanco, and Marquez (Injured) and Fonseca,and Ramirez, and to me, and FIFA agrees, one of the best, if not THE BEST goal tender in all of the Game,
Oswaldo Sanchez.

Ok, now that I rattled off the Key Mexican players that were missing, any you rattled of the Key Colombian players that were missing, you just helped make my point exactly.....

And that is, that while Colombia won, this team, is not in any way representative of the true respective National Teams that we will see in World Cup competition. So my answer stays the same, regardless who won....big deal.

Like I said, this is like take 2 major league baseball teams and tell the main players to sit it out for the day, and let the triple A clubs wear the repsecitve uniforms.

I like the real McCoy, not the bench warmers!!!!!!!!!!!

Copete says on Jul 17, 2005, 16:38:

My conclusion The only clear conclusion I can make out of this tournament so far is how poor of a confederation CONCACAF is. If neither Colombia nor Mexico took this tournament seriously enough, is was for a good reason: the level of the teams in this tournament is far far below that of other continental tournaments such as Copa America and the Euroupean Cup.

And the Mexicans and their supporters can make up all the excuses they want, but the bottom line is that Mexico, as a CONCACAF "powerhouse", had the obligation to win its continental tournament, and they just failed. From watching the game, it was clear to me that Mexico's problem did not come down to one or two players. The whole team had a poor showing and Colombia certainly deserved to win. And we're just talking about the 5th team in South America with its team B. The CONCACAF people can at least be happy that that, because of the semifinal draw, the distinct (and embarrassing) possibility of the two invited teams playing the final will not materialize. Maybe even 3 World Cup spots for CONCACAF is still too many.

Gomezman5 says on Jul 17, 2005, 19:03:

Copete, as I pointed out above, neither team had their top players participating, and therefore the game prooved nothing about the overall play of either team. You cannot evaluate two teams when most of their front line players did not even participate. ColX and I both mentioned how the "big guns" did not play today.

As to this stuff about how poor CONCACAF is, what is with this inferiority complex that COMNEBOL people have? Some day, someone is going to explain to me why is that COMNEBOL people constantly are walking around trashing the quality of CONCACAF, but you never hear the reverse? Is there some kind of inferiority complex? Please explain.

I only know one thing for certain, FIFA ranks both Mexcio(6th) and the US(10th) ahead of Colombia (25th). In fact, since about the middle of 2002, the US has outranked Colombia in the FIFA ratings every single month. Obviously, COMCACAF isn't the lackluster conference that you claim that it is.

Angel_Gabriel says on Jul 17, 2005, 20:08:

I wanted Mexico to Win this one Guess the "best" won.

Angel_Gabriel says on Jul 17, 2005, 20:29:

Actually, Colombia... ...got their ass kick by Honduras - located in Central America which is composed of the latter, Guatemala, El Salvador, Nicaragua & Costa Rica- about a week ago, think it was last sunday. Panama used to be part of Gran Colombia. Did Panama get their independence from Colombia then?

Cheers amigos y amigas!

Gomezman5 says on Jul 17, 2005, 20:43:

I think they are both great teams.....when they play their first string players.

As to Panama, they beat Colombia as well. On the surface, that certainly made Colombia look bad when you consider that Panama is at the very bottom of COMNEBOL and has virtually no chance at going to the World Cup. But like I said, this is not the Colombian team that played brilliantly in Barranquilla with 2 convincing wins a few weeks ago. So how much significance can you attach to these games? I didn't pannick when I got home, and the Mexican garage attendant asked me what happened to Colombia the day after they lost to Panama. I told told him that the best players didn't play. And he said, "Excuses excuses."

Go Figure.

Angel_Gabriel says on Jul 17, 2005, 20:50:

True. That's what my buddy from Pereira said; the good ones didn't play...nonetheless...it felt pretty good my home country Honduras defeating Colombia. We don't win as much these soccer games so it is rather refreshing to let others step up the plate & eat some...

SoCalDude says on Jul 18, 2005, 00:59:

Sanchez the Best Keeper in the Game?? NOT !! You have to be kidding me Gomezman. If not Brad Freidel, then Kasey Keller is without a doubt the Best Keeper in Soccer today. Then maybe next would be Tim Howard who has had to deal with a lackluster defense in front of him on Manchester United. I would also put Brazil's keeper (Dida) up there as well in #3 or #4.

It's ok, that Mexico won't be in the final of the Gold Cup this year like Team USA, but we will see you in Columbus in September and I am sure if Sanchez is playing he will get lit up like fireworks on the 4th of July!!

GO USA!!
GO COLOMBIA!!

SoCalDude

BlondeJamesBond says on Jul 18, 2005, 02:24:

The man between the sticks! Goalkeeper or Goalie or Keeper are all acceptable footballing terms for this position, 'Goal Tending' (Ice Hockey term) is something a groundsman might do to the grass near the net!

The best Goalkeeper is either Italy and Juventus' Gianluigi Buffon OR Chelsea and Czech Republic' Petr Cech. Whichever one you prefer they are DEFINITELY the top two keepers in the world. Fact.

LMAO - Tim Howard and Brad Friedel amongst the best keepers in the world, that's a good one!

Oh, and well done Colombia aswell!

kikiortiz11 says on Jul 18, 2005, 07:27:

"if not THE BEST goal tender in all of the Game, oswaldo sanchez jajajja! THis is the funniest thing i have heard in a while! thanks for making my day gomez! Colombia alone has at least 3 or 4 keepers who are better than oswaldo. a ese man le dicen "bikini".... pq no tapa nada!

Kiki Ortiz-Matallana

Copete says on Jul 18, 2005, 07:48:

Inferiority complex? G5, that's a funny one. The only thing I wish CONMEBOL had is the ratio of world cup spots to quality of soccer that CONCACAF has.

Also, and at the end of this tournament, we'll see how artificial the FIFA rankings you quote so often are. I'm sure that if the US wins, they'll rocket up to one of the top 5 spots. Even though we all agree on the joke of a tournament this one is. Hell, now that the semifinal draw is set, we now know that Colombia's group, with Panama, Honduras and Trinidad&Tobago, with three of them now in the semifinals, was the strongest of the groups!

And yeah, the US has done pretty well in the last few years for a team that was dead last in the '98 world cup, but it will still need more consistent performances in international tournaments that matter, before I believe they're actually the 10th best team in the world.

Gomezman5 says on Jul 18, 2005, 07:57:

So I exagerated a bit.....but I know how to get peoples attention. I know he is not the best. But he is one of the best GOAL KEEPERS. I am American, I speak English, (American style) so GOAL KEEPER is acceptable. I used to go to Chicago Fire games when Jorge Campos played there and everyone always referred to him as a GOAL KEEPER. So whatever. The newspaper refers to them as such as well

In any event, Snachez's performance in the last several games has been superb. He also has done well with the Chivas.
Anyway

GO COLOMBIA )
GO USA) ) not necessarily in that order
GO MEXICO )

Gomezman5 says on Jul 18, 2005, 08:04:

Good Morning Copete FIFA rankings..artificial??? ha ha So now you are implying that FIFA has a bias toward American. You will never be able to convince any logical person who follows the sport that your assertion is even remotely possible. The USA has almost no representation on the organization. It has a solide European influence (it's based there too). And give Europe's attitude with America, you cannot even begin to believe that FIFA is biased toward the USA. FIFA a formula for it's ranking. Now I will admit that some may take issue with the formula that is used, but the formula that is sets forth brings upon uniform results. They just don't sit in a room and draw up a list.

By the way, when FIFA had Colombia at the top of the list in the mid 90's, late 90's, and up to mid 2002, did you complain about FIFA's ratings then? I'll bet you didn't did you??

Copete says on Jul 18, 2005, 08:27:

bias? ha ha Who said I'm saying FIFA is biased towards the US??? man, do you come up with funny conclusions...

All I'm saying is that a ranking that is based upon performances in leagues with completely differents levels of competitiveness cannot be very accurate, no matter what formula they use. We just have to wait and see results after the Gold Cup ends, with Panama ranked in the top 20 and such.

Now, do I believe team rankings based on good results in a competitive league? Yes, I certainly believe them more than rankings based on results in a less competitive league. Does that answer your question?

BlondeJamesBond says on Jul 18, 2005, 08:35:

Gman, so now you will use the term GoalKEEPER aswell? Excellent stuff!

As for FIFA rankings I don't really comment on them because I simply don't care.

I will say, if any of you want the most reliable formula possible for which team is supposedly better on paper check out the bookmakers odds on winning the next World Cup, at least they've got money riding on their predictions, FIFA don't!

Gomezman5 says on Jul 18, 2005, 09:47:

You sure did say that IMPLY that FIFA rankings are biased toward the US. You might want to reread your own words below:

"We'll see how artificial the FIFA rankings you quote so often are. I'm sure that if the US wins, they'll rocket up to one of the top 5 spots."

The above are your words. Now maybe all my years of University and law school education has changed me, but the above quote that you wrote clearly implies that the FIFA rankings favor the US. Either that or your ideas are disjointed. Read it again and think about it.

And like I said earlier, if you would go to FIFA's web site, they have paragraph after paragraph that meticuously describes how they arrive at their rankings. The rankings already do take into account the degree of dificulty of the leagues. FIFA takes that into account, as well as many other factors, you might want to check it out.

Again I will ask you. Did you complain about FIFA's ratings in the 90's and up until 2002 whn Colombia was rated high, and the US was rated an average team?? I am sure you did not say a word then...not a word!

Gomezman5 says on Jul 18, 2005, 09:54:

And from where do you think And from what source do you think the bookmakers set their odds ?
Try the FIFA ratings. Count on it.

It's same way that the bookmakers set the odds on College basketball or Sunday NFL football. Do you think they determine who the best basketball or football teams are?? I will elighten you. They get it from the press writers ranking of the teams. The AP (Associated Press) polls and the Sports Writers Guild.etc. Oddsmakers NEVER EVER, determine how good a team is when they set their ratings. They rely on the people in the business who know the players and teams to do that. Then they set the odds based on their ratings.

What's with you guys?

Gomezman5 says on Jul 18, 2005, 09:56:

Goal keeper Goal tender Who cares?

BlondeJamesBond says on Jul 18, 2005, 10:57:

Football fans and Ice Hockey fans(probably) care about such things - If I started commenting on Basketball and refered to Michael Jordan as a great 'striker' I would be laughed at as an ignorant 'limey' and I certainly wouldn't be taken seriously, a la anyone who talks about Goal tending in football

I really don't want to get drawn into a debate on this FIFA rankings rubbish, I don't know where England are placed, I don't care where England are placed, I just know we will win the World Cup!

However, if these sort of things do concern you I will maintain that a bookmaker can more accurately 'rank' teams because they have a financial interest in being correct.

Here are the odds - interestingly Colombia who still have a tough qualification to get through are thought more likely to win the WC than the USA - PLEASE ALSO NOTICE THAT IT WAS THE BOOKIE I PASTED THIS FROM WHO HAS MISSPELLED COLOMBIA!

Brazil 7/2
Argentina 11/2
England 7/1
Germany 7/1
Holland 10/1
Italy 11/1
France 12/1
Spain 16/1
Czech Rep 25/1
Portugal 25/1
Sweden 40/1
Ukraine 40/1
Croatia 50/1
Mexico 80/1
Rep Ireland 80/1
Cameroon 100/1
Ivory Coast 100/1
Columbia 125/1
Greece 125/1
Nigeria 125/1
Poland 125/1
Russia 125/1
Senegal 125/1
Serbia 125/1
Turkey 125/1
Chile 150/1
Ecuador 150/1
Norway 150/1
USA 150/1
Uruguay 150/1
Denmark 200/1
Japan 200/1
Paraguay 200/1
Switzerland 200/1
S Korea 250/1
Australia 500/1
Belgium 500/1
Bulgaria 500/1
Morocco 500/1
Romania 500/1
Austria 750/1
Slovenia 750/1
Hungary 1000/1
Iran 1000/1
Latvia 1000/1
Slovakia 1000/1
Israel 1500/1
Bosnia 2000/1
Finland 5000/1

Peter Miami says on Jul 18, 2005, 11:01:

Congratulations to Colombia on there victory. ColombianoX you still should have gone to the festival. LOL :-)

Peter Miami

kernow62 says on Jul 18, 2005, 11:11:

I will put 1 peso on Finland. Hopefully I will win enough for bus fare.

ElCheAmericano says on Jul 18, 2005, 11:38:

Excellent Victory for Colombia I am very happy that Colombia kicked some Mexican ass yesterday. Mexico was powerless against Colombia, it reminded me of when Colombia beat Argentina last year at the Orange Bowl. It's good for the Mexicans to get kicked off their high horse and eat some humble pie. Besides I can't stand the Mexicans announcer on Univision with their annoying comments and biased opinions.

ColombianoX says on Jul 18, 2005, 11:47:

"Besides I can't stand the Mexicans announcer on Univision with their annoying comments and biased opinions."

You said it, Che!! That's the reason this victory is extra sweet for me. I don't know if you watch that awfully biased show "Republica Deportiva", they just love to blow up Mexico as if they were a football superpower. I heard they were going to have a post-game show, but since the "wrong" team won, it was cancelled. I just wish they would cancel that pathetic excuse of a show altogether!

I would have loved to see the face of that obnoxious Roxanna Franco after the game. Hahahahahaha!!!!

CX

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

ElCheAmericano says on Jul 18, 2005, 12:01:

I hate that show They make me sick to my stomach, hey I could have sworn Fernando Fiore was Argentine like 10 years ago when he was doing Fuera de Serie with Sofia Vergara. He definitly sold his soul to the devil. I understand there are alot of Mexicans in LA and througout the country but they are super extreme, I feel like writing to univision to make some changes. Mexico as a superpower thats a joke, the only reason there league has gotten a better and is worth watching is because of all the South Americans they have inported. How many mexicans have played in Europe besides Rafa Marquez and Hugo Sanchez. They suck I'm happy Colombia kicked there ass. As for Roxanna Franco's face I would have loved to have seen it also, except with something white and sticky covering it

Gomezman5 says on Jul 18, 2005, 12:39:

Announcers biased??? Of course they are !! It really is kind of annoying. And they really don't make much an attempt to be neutral. But, Univison, and Telemundo are biase in all their programing.

It's nothing personal. It's all about $$. How many more Mexican are in the US versus Colombian. How many more Mexicn watched the game versus Colombians. I'll put it another way, Mexicans all by themselves, amount to about as many Latinos as all the other Latino groups put together. If every Mexican left the US, Telemundo and Univision would be in fire financial straights. If every Colombian left, it would not even put a dent in their pocket book.

Look at how many more programs you have with Mexican music (banda, nortena etc) than you have with Salso, and merengue. Hey at least you are in Miami where things are more balanced. If you were in Chicago, you would think that the only Spanish speaking community in the world was from Mexico

Copete says on Jul 18, 2005, 12:58:

more on FIFA rankings
Quoting myself:

"wait and see the results after the Gold Cup ends, with Panama ranked in the top 20 and such"

According to G5, this "clearly implies that the FIFA rankings favor [Panama]". Duh. Do US law schools teach people about EXAMPLES, and how they're used to illustrate a larger problem? In case you don't get it yet, the larger problem is that mediocre tournaments such as the Gold Cup can significantly alter the FIFA rankings. And, just as I think it'd be ridiculous for Panama to be placed in the top 20 because of its Gold Cup performance, for the same reason it'd be ridiculous for the US to jump up to the top 5, as it may well happen.

I'm not trying to make up conspiracy theories as you suggest. In fact I'm not blaming anyone for the inaccuracy of the FIFA rankings. In science, if the equipment you use to measure something isn't very good, the results just won't be very accurate, no matter how good a scientist you are. And FIFA's "equipment" just isn't very good, given the large disparities in competitiveness of different leagues. Even if you try to come up with an algorithm that takes that into account, the level of uncertainty will still be high. I'm not sure that's something lawyers are supposed to know about. The conclusion can only be that FIFA rankings are not all that important, as most people here except for you seem to think.

Now, I already answered your question about Colombia's ranking, but just to be more specific: when Colombia was high in the rankings, it was because it was consistently and comprehensively beating very competitive teams like Argentina. The US hasn't yet been able to do that, maybe through no fault of its own, but because of the low level of competitiveness of the rivals it regularly faces. So, until I start seeing the US beat competitive teams with any decent consistency, I'll keep thinking it's just a big fish in a small pond.

kernow62 says on Jul 18, 2005, 13:02:

Fernando is from Paraguay isn't he?

I watch the show for the chicas in their crop tops and short shorts, but the Colombian chica left so I am a bit pissed.

ColombianoX says on Jul 18, 2005, 13:11:

kernow,

Fernando Fiore is actually from Argentina, but he sold-out to the mexicans a long time ago.

Yeah, I miss Claudia too, what a MAMASITA!!

CX

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

kernow62 says on Jul 18, 2005, 13:21:

I wonder why I thought he was from Paraguay?

gringosalsero says on Jul 18, 2005, 13:25:

BLonde 007 ranks England # 3.....big suprise!!!! No need to comment.

ElCheAmericano says on Jul 18, 2005, 13:42:

Fuera de Serie Amazingly I woke up like 6am saturday morning and they were showing a repeat of the show when Sofia was on it, God that brought back some memories. Back to the Mexican commentator garbage, they just suck. For instance I you watch Fox sports world en espanol, the Argentine announcers call the game the same way no matter whos playing, that's what being a professional announcer is. Ok I can a little biased but they just suck. Maybe I'm wrong but I'm sure just as many Mexicans watch the games on Univison and Telemundeo when the announcer were Andres Cantor, Jorge Ramos and the colombian who's name I cant remember. The worst part about that Republica Deportiva is that the try to patronize the rest of the latin countries by getting a group of colombians or whoever to show they not biased. Bullshit, at least they get real Colombians on the show, for the Argentines they get 5 peruvians off the street give them argentine jersey's and a drum, it makes me sick.

gringosalsero says on Jul 18, 2005, 13:49:

Interesting Points CAFETEROS! Being an Italian American I was very happy to see Colombia win. (Though my wife is from Bogota and I am legally bound by marriage to support the cafeteros) Colombia deserved the win. Young players...yes. I cant imagine how good they will be in 2010? I would like some of you to admit that USA is coming along. Granted we have a long way to go to be (if ever) mentioned with Brazil and Argentina but are doing pretty well given the fact that many of our best athletes wear helmets or dribble for living.

Colombia V USA a fun match in my home. Rememer Donovan and Beasly are both 23 not that old and Freddie Adu is up and coming at 17?

quindioman says on Jul 19, 2005, 00:56:

free tips if you have money to spare....go to the bookies and put as much money as you can on England to win Germany 2006.
This is coming from a devout football worshipper who's not afraid of being objective when it comes to talking about football.....my heart says Colombia but my head says them English boys will bring the trophy back to England...I said this the second they lost to Brazil in the 2002 WC.