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Colombia according to Hollywood
Colombia segun Hollywood.
22/11/07| Por:oiciruamavielkcoc
Mientras paseaba por los 40 canales que me ofrece mi empresa de cable, me encontré con Brad Pitt y Angelina Jolie hablando sobre Colombia y en especÃfico, Bogotá. Al oÃr el nombre de mi paÃs salir de la boca de esta famosa pareja, decidà esperar a ver que ocurrÃa y ver cómo era mostrada la capital. Usando el método de flashback vemos a Brad Pitt en un pueblo caribeño, donde todos parecen ser cubanos - dado el acento, y donde no hay edificios, aeropuerto y explosiones y terrorismo son comunes. Esto me puso a pensar: ¿cuántas pelÃculas norte americanas hacen uso de nuestra patria para desarrollar historias falsas y mostrarnos como un pueblo decadente sin un retazo de desarrollo?
Varias producciones hollywoodenses han explotado la falsa imagen de Bogotá, MedellÃn y Colombia, en general. En el paÃs del norte nos ven como una selva subdesarrollada, donde terroristas, drogas, cubanos, mejicanos, puerto riqueños y ecuatorianos son residentes de una tierra ciertamente exótica pero donde no hay ni seguridad ni desarrollo. Ejemplos claros de esto son:
Mr. and Mrs. Smith:
Mi primer ejemplo es la pelÃcula de Pitt y Jolie (presuntos promovedores de justicia social en Ã?frica y el mundo), y allà Bogotá es mostrada por aproximadamente cinco minutos como un pueblo. Para los guionistas y cineastas de esta pelÃcula la capital colombiana se parece a cualquier comunidad rural. Un pueblo sin edificios, selvática, con un tono tropical y en total anarquÃa. Una toma aérea de algún pueblo, seguramente mejicano, nos muestra a la Bogotá que se vende en Los Ã?ngeles, igual a cualquier pueblo latinoamericano. Es más, en esta misma toma, se ven varias explosiones destruyendo los ranchos donde viven los bogotanos. Seguido esto, somos introducidos a los sexys asesinos en serie Pitt y Jolie, que, en lo más cercano a la realidad de nuestro paÃs que muestra la pelÃcula, se encuentran con una serie de policÃas corruptos. Luego la pareja se enamora; acaso un efecto de nuestra ciudad en asesinos extranjeros.
Clear and Present Danger:
Harrison Ford es el famoso agente Jack Ryan, que es enviado a Bogotá para tratar de acabar con el problema de distribución de drogas hacia los Estados Unidos. En esta pelÃcula, Bogotá no sólo es el epicentro del terrorismo general (con encapuchados disparando con bazucas a cualquier hora del dÃa), sino que nuestro aeropuerto es la terminal de buses de Subachoque, con gallinas, cerdos y vacas rondando (aclaro que Subachoque es un pueblo muy bonito y la terminal de buses tiene un encanto que existe solo en los pueblos patrios). ¡ImagÃnense las chivas voladoras que nos llevan al exterior! La pelÃcula, la cual vi hace ya más de una década, muestra a Bogotá en un estado parecido a Mr. And Ms. Smith, en total caos. Con terrorismo rampante, donde cualquier individuo carga metralletas, bazucas y granadas.
(http://www.movie-list.net/classics43007/clearandpresentdanger.mov)
Collateral Damage:
Arnold Schwarsenegger es un bombero norteamericano. Luego de que su familia es asesinada en un acto terrorista en Estado Unidos perpetrado por un narco terrorista colombiano, viaja a nuestra selva y acaba no sólo con las guerrillas, sino también con cualquier policÃa corrupto y agente de la CIA que se le pongan al frente. Esta pelÃcula, la cual no he visto, trasciende todo limite de realidad. Nuestro héroe Conan logra lo que el ejercito colombiano y gringo, el FBI, la DEA, la CIA, INTERPOL y el Servicio Secreto no han logrado en las ultimas décadas: acabar con algún cabecilla de los grupos terroristas (exceptuando a Pablo Escobar). Sin embargo, analizando esta pelÃcula, lo que hace el protagonista en Colombia es lo menos importante. Lo que más impacto causa es que un colombiano estalla una bomba en territorio norteamericano. Creo que esta es la única pelÃcula que pone a un compatriota en tierra americana estallando un edificio federal. Todo un nuevo nivel de inteligencia terrorista de un paÃs cuya capital es un moridero...
Blow:
Por otro lado, está Blow con el afamado Johnny Depp y la española Penélope Cruz. En esta pelÃcula el famoso Pablo Escobar es mostrado en su tierra natal: un pueblo sin calles pavimentadas, llena de animales de finca y realmente hundiéndose en el 'subdesarrollo'. Eso sÃ, el Patrón es mostrado como un sicótico asesino multimillonario que vende drogas. Al menos en algo se acercan a la verdad.
Otras pelÃculas que incluyen imágenes de Colombia son Proof of Life (Prueba de Vida), XXX, Miami Vice, Bedazzled y Romancing the Stone (Tesoro en el Amazonas). Esta ultima muestra a una ciudad grande como Cartagena en un tono denigrante. Miami Vice y XXX nos muestran en un estado de crisis y Bedazzled muestra a su protagonista como un traqueto (a la Escobar) a punto de perder la cabeza.
La televisión tampoco ha dejado a Colombia tranquila. Programas como Law and Order, CSI, Family Guy y otros tratan algunos temas sobre nuestra patria o compatriotas en los Estado Unidos. Pero ninguna de estas series alcanza el nivel de éxito de la serie de HBO Entourage. Este programa, sobre un joven actor de Hollywood, en su ultima temporada desarrolla una historia sobre le producción de una pelÃcula sobre Pablo Escobar. La pelÃcula ficticia se titula MedellÃn. El programa aunque admito es bastante bueno, también cae en el estereotipo desarrollado por Hollywood de una Colombia en absoluto retraso con muy poca urbanidad y en estado anárquico. Este estereotipo creado por Hollywood es, en gran parte, causante de muchos problemas que nuestros compatriotas experimentan en el exterior, sean migratorios o simples comentarios como si viviéramos en árboles o si todos vendemos coca. Y aclaro, no estoy diciendo que Colombia no sea un estado en descontrol, sin embargo Colombia no es, y en especial Bogota y MedellÃn, una tierra estancada y sin una vida urbana como la de cualquier otro paÃs del mundo.
Medellin
Además de esto en Hollywood se estarán produciendo dos pelÃculas sobre la vida de Pablo Escobar, esperemos que los colombianos que contribuyan con dichas producciones no se dejen controlar por aquel sistema macro económico y respeten ciertas realidades sobre nuestro paÃs.
Se que para lograr un análisis a fondo sobre estos aspectos se amerita una entrada completa por pelÃcula. El tema es bastante vital para la comprensión de nuestro pueblo y nuestra gente en el exterior y en especial en los Estados Unidos, donde estas pelÃculas son, en muchos casos, tomadas como verÃdicas o al menos como cercanas a una realidad. Por eso creo que es hora de que nuestro cine aproveche el boom y se desarrollen historias afuera de los temas que subrayan aquellos estereotipos que explota Hollywood. Es cierto, nosotros estamos rodeados de inseguridad y violencia, pero estos temas no tiene porque ser constantemente centrales, si no que también pueden ser usados para desarrollar historias mas imaginativas: que sean fieles a nuestras realidades pero sin abusar del oscuro lado de nuestra patria. Ser constructivos en vez de sensacionalistas.
Por ultimo los invito a opinar y si saben de mas pelÃculas que muestren o mencionen a Colombia de una manera u otra por favor no duden en comentar. Los dejo con este video que muestra distintos aspectos de nuestra patria. Lo admito, el video no me gusto, pero lo aprovecho ya que muestra algunas imágenes de las pelÃculas mencionadas.
por: oiciruamavielkcoc - (13 comentarios )
By Simon on Nov 24, 2007, 19:48 in Friendly Talkzone.
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capitan_centella says on Nov 24, 2007, 22:28: You forgot "delta force 4". . . In there the imfamous chuck norris save us from a corrupt goverment. And of course the endless comentaries in series like "the shield", regarding the "colombian mafia". . . "When you open your eyes, you turn around with the world, But it can change, if you only close it, and see a dream to yourself." Me. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Simon says on Nov 24, 2007, 22:42: Ah yes, 'Delta Force 2: The Colombian Connection' in which Colombia is never mentioned by name, except for the title, but under the alias of 'San Carlos'. HERE'S SIMON!!!! 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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capitan_centella says on Nov 24, 2007, 23:16: But if you see a little bit closer you can see our own nation symbols. . . THAT IS JUST UNBEARABLE TO SEE!. "When you open your eyes, you turn around with the world, But it can change, if you only close it, and see a dream to yourself." Me. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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capitan_centella says on Nov 24, 2007, 23:19: I saw that movie on a theater. I was a kid back then. . . and even then I stand and go back to the theaters lobby and wait to my young brother to left the room and go back to my house. I was the only one out of the theater. . . I don´t know what makes me more anger, have to wait for my brother, or been ALONE becouse nobody else seems to notice that. "When you open your eyes, you turn around with the world, But it can change, if you only close it, and see a dream to yourself." Me. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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LaMovidCh(u)eca says on Nov 25, 2007, 08:23: Superman III, in which Supes saves the Colombian coffee production of that year. It looked like the Highlands of Bolivia but hey!, I saw this when I was 12 so I can't be sure.
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Morrongo says on Nov 25, 2007, 09:07: Clear and Present Danger..Harrison Ford wynds down his car window for some air,only to be stopped by his aide, who states,''dont do that,this is Bogota''.
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kalder says on Nov 25, 2007, 10:25: Quite so. Most of the villains sport British accents. "kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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gabolicious says on Nov 25, 2007, 10:32: There is a movie starring Brendan Fraser or something with the super mami Elizabeth Hurley... Bedazzled (Al diablo con el diablo).. Elección no canonización.... 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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kalder says on Nov 25, 2007, 10:34: Liz Hurley... "kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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gabolicious says on Nov 25, 2007, 10:39: with THAT Devil I would give her my soul as a present... Elección no canonización.... 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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kalder says on Nov 25, 2007, 10:53: Could tempt a bishop that one! "kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Papi de Alejo says on Nov 25, 2007, 10:55: Kalder,
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kalder says on Nov 25, 2007, 11:03: I'm sure her appeal would be quite ecumenical. "kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Mr. Hollywood says on Nov 25, 2007, 11:58: While I agree entirely about the mischaracterizations of Colombia in the movies, you could just as easily replace "Colombia according to Hollywood" with "The Middle East according to Hollywood", "New Jersey according to Hollywood" or, even, "Los Angeles according to Hollywood."
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Simon says on Nov 25, 2007, 12:10: Yes, Mr. Hollywood, but this is a website about Colombia.We'll let the arabs and others complain about their mischaracterizations on their own boards. HERE'S SIMON!!!! 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Tinto (Moderator) says on Nov 25, 2007, 12:10: Correctamundo. I never understand why people get so upset about Hollywood characterizations. Let's see...Bollywood's India is full of singing, dancing and fields of flowers; Hong Kong's Asia is filled with mafia and kung fu experts; Mexico want us to believe the country is filled with cowboys and narcos; in France everyone rides a train and stares pensively out the rain-streaked windows, blah, blah, blah.
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Mr. Hollywood says on Nov 25, 2007, 12:43: Hollywood (the industry, not my login) dominates film production in our part of the world. However, I think Bollywood makes more movies each year and I wouldn't be surprised if they're seen by more people, globally.
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Simon says on Nov 25, 2007, 12:48: It's funny that you should say that. Let's see how you'd like it if your people and country were constantly being misrepresented by the most powerful film industry in the world! HERE'S SIMON!!!! 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Tinto (Moderator) says on Nov 25, 2007, 12:51: Simon, don't you think we already are?
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Simon says on Nov 25, 2007, 13:00: Hey, I'd love if it everybody thought we were like Rambo, Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Superman, Rocky, The Godfather, The Wizard of Oz, etc. I'd be happy with that. HERE'S SIMON!!!! 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Man Tequila says on Nov 25, 2007, 13:04: Plenty of people dislike the stereotypes propogated by big film industries. I think Colombians are right to be upset. I hope Colombia changes enough that the stereotypes can be seen to no longer apply. At this point they are unfair, and I don't financially support these movies. However, there are reasons why these stereotypes exist. Even Colombian movies like Rosario Tijeras, Maria Full of Grace, etc. sometimes deal with uncomfortable themes. Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Tinto (Moderator) says on Nov 25, 2007, 13:09: Simon, that's only a small slice and Italians = violent mafia is no different than Colombians = violent narcos. By the way, you've gotta be a little light in the loafers or eight years old to choose The Wizard of Oz. Ha-ha.
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Simon says on Nov 25, 2007, 13:10: Hey, I love that movie! Almost as much as I love Bambi! HERE'S SIMON!!!! 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Man Tequila says on Nov 25, 2007, 14:04: Some people do think Colombia is like the Godfather?... a good movie, one of my favorites, but not the best choice here? Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Mr. Hollywood says on Nov 25, 2007, 17:51: My country IS constantly misrepresented by the most powerful film industry in the world. Or do you think barnyard animals in the US really talk, Tom Cruise really does all that shit in MI, psycho killers lurk in every small town, etc?
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manINred says on Nov 25, 2007, 19:02: I think that most places displayed on film are misrepresented to some extent, for good or for bad. The question becomes: to what extent? Also is does the misrepresentation portray the country in a negative light or positive?
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elmodefoque says on Nov 26, 2007, 04:39: hollywood is only potraying what they see, not only from visitors but from colombians too. any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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elmodefoque says on Nov 26, 2007, 04:54: Next time you take a picture of some fokin old church in the middle of some fokin little town way out there in the middle of fokin Antioquia with burros carrying sacks of fokin coffee passing smack in the middle of a fokin town square and then post those pics on the fokin web, ask yourself, gee wiz, I wonder where fokin Hollywood got that impression of Colombia?? any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Colombiche says on Nov 26, 2007, 08:43: You cannot compare the way that americans get stereotyped with the way that colombians get stereotyped. No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Colombiche says on Nov 26, 2007, 08:48: The bad image itself was not created by hollywood but hollywood certainly exacerbates the stereotypes and exploits them. No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Man Tequila says on Nov 26, 2007, 09:10: That is a pretty far cry from talking barnyard animals. I think Colombians have every right to be upset at their Hollywood portrayal and the consequences. Comparing Colombia to "The Godfather" won't help its case. Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Mr. Hollywood says on Nov 26, 2007, 10:59: And I guess now that "Love in the Time of Cholera" is out we can also add to the litany of offenses against Colombians being portrayed as overwrought romantics.
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Robert Jorge says on Nov 26, 2007, 11:11: Just last night I stopped at the nearby gas station to get some CocaCola and beer. The guy that was working knows me, and helped load up my car. He asked about the flag sticker I had on my car, and I told him it was Colombia. I normally am not caught off guard with the idiotic comments, but since he is an immigrant from Romania, I didn't expect to hear him say: "Why did you go down there, buying a couple of Ki's?" I hope he knew I was just kidding when I said, "I didn't know you gypsies knew about cocaine, I thought you guys sucked blood like Dracula." I knew he didn't mean anything bad, and was trying to be funny. But it wears on you sometimes. Hopefully he got my point after my smart-ass comment. --"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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elmodefoque says on Nov 26, 2007, 11:16: RJ jajajajajjijijjjijj good one, I thought you guys sucked bloood jijjjjjijiuiijjajajaja any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Mr. Hollywood says on Nov 26, 2007, 11:18: The bloodsuckers always know about cocaine because there's nothing like the jolt you get after draining a crackhead dry.
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Tinto (Moderator) says on Nov 26, 2007, 11:22: Buying beer on a Sunday. Ah...the memories. The pinko commie socialist nannies that run this state say it's verboten. Ya' gotta git yur provisions early, raid your neighbor or get in the car and drive 30 miles to Wisconsin. Now there's a campaign I might participate in: "Selling Beer on Sunday Prevents Global Warming."
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morphus says on Nov 26, 2007, 11:32: Collateral Damage was a good flick. Very realistic!
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LaMovidCh(u)eca says on Nov 26, 2007, 16:31: Robert Jorge... you outdid yourself. That was the best comeback to a stupid joke about Colombia coming from a Romanian: Calling him a gypsy!!! The only thing worse than that is insisting that Romania is called like that because it's where the Roma people come from.
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Simon says on Nov 26, 2007, 18:25: Thanks for standing up for Colombia, Robert J! HERE'S SIMON!!!! 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Robert Jorge says on Nov 26, 2007, 20:27: I always do (stand up for her). I let a lot of comments slide, because it gets tiring always trying to correct people. But the vast majority of people that make the comments mean no offense - they are truly ignorant. I do try and politely educate people who seem willing to listen and are interested. The last time I actually got angry was when a "know it all" tried telling me that blacks can't be Latino. I told him how Colombia has the second largest black population in S.A. ... he wasn't convinced. So, I got my friend who was a manager of the restaraunt we were in (TGI Friday's), and told him to educate my "know it all" friend. He said in perfect Spanish that the "know it all" was an uneducated HP that didn't know what he was talking about. The reason that was an effective technique - my friend the manager is as black as Samuel Jackson is from the Dominican Republic. --"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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capitan_centella says on Nov 26, 2007, 22:36: HUm. . .i´m guilty of punching some ·$%$%&$%& kid who say that maybe i´m a drug dealer, becouse I was bald and colombian. . . I was twelve, and I was on the dominican republic. "When you open your eyes, you turn around with the world, But it can change, if you only close it, and see a dream to yourself." Me. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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john_stark says on Nov 26, 2007, 22:42: "The difference is that Colombia just gets cast in a really negative light with absolutely no positives to speak of."
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john_stark says on Nov 26, 2007, 22:44: "The day you guys get treated like mules at the airport, have your suitcase cut up or have your boss joke about you being a terrorist, a cokehead then you'll know what I am talking about."
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goin_south says on Nov 26, 2007, 22:47: damn; how far upstream do I have to read to find these quotes? Ciao! Gustav. Bienvenitos, Ike. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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goin_south says on Nov 26, 2007, 22:49: You're sending your BLONDE DAUGHTERS TO COLOMBIA? Ciao! Gustav. Bienvenitos, Ike. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Colombiche says on Nov 27, 2007, 05:49: "It happened to my two daughters when they came back from Colombia and they're a couple of blonde gringas. They fit the profile so they got treated as suspected mules." -- JonhS No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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minina says on Nov 27, 2007, 07:09: Pues si a todos y entre todos nos estereotipamos. No somos los unicos que tratan mal.
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aztec says on Nov 27, 2007, 07:20: My wife has been pulled out of the line several times. Once she was questioned long enough that she missed her connecting flight. This happens even though she is a citizen of both countries. Funny thing, they don't even question her when I am with her.
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Monpirri says on Nov 27, 2007, 07:29: I read a story that happened in Spain where Colombians are highly discriminated, the story tells about an older man who was beat up by a racist spaniard. Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Simon says on Nov 27, 2007, 10:50: "The last time I actually got angry was when a "know it all" tried telling me that blacks can't be Latino." HERE'S SIMON!!!! 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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elmodefoque says on Nov 27, 2007, 11:01: "I read a story that happened in Spain where Colombians are highly discriminated, the story tells about an older man who was beat up by a racist spaniard." mompi any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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elmodefoque says on Nov 27, 2007, 11:04: if starving, i would rather cut my own balls and eat them in colombia than to go and live in spain any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Mr. Hollywood says on Nov 27, 2007, 11:14: If it makes you feel any better, Colombiche, I've been treated like a mule in the DR, too. Never in the US.
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Desideria (Moderator) says on Nov 27, 2007, 11:15: You're kidding, of course? "I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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minina says on Nov 27, 2007, 11:35: In Spain they called south americans "sudacas" which is a depreciative term...more like an insult, is the equivalent of calling a black "nigger" in the USA.
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Desideria (Moderator) says on Nov 27, 2007, 11:39: Yes, I know that and yet they are isolated incidents. For every South American that has suffered from discrimination and xenofobia in Spain there must be a 100 others who have been well received. You just won't find their stories in the headlines. "I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Colombiche says on Nov 27, 2007, 11:42: I have visited southern spain and wasn't tremendously fond of the way latinos seem to get treated there. No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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elmodefoque says on Nov 27, 2007, 11:56: is it in spain where guys are running for office or president and they advertise, using a group of white sheep pushing out a black sheep? any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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elmodefoque says on Nov 27, 2007, 11:59: what the hell is a black or latino doing in europe? that chit simply boggles my simple injun mind. any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Robert Jorge says on Nov 27, 2007, 12:01: Elmo, were they gypsies? --"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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elmodefoque says on Nov 27, 2007, 12:02: i was only 10 years old. To this day i still dream about sticking them in the face with an ice pick any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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elmodefoque says on Nov 27, 2007, 12:04: gypsies don't smell as bad jijijjjiji any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Desideria (Moderator) says on Nov 27, 2007, 12:06: I told everybody I was Colombian in Spain and they believed me! No derogatory comments whatsoever. This was a few years ago. I talk to my friends (Colombianos) living in Spain, they say, yes, but it's not that bad. I believe that it's mostly media hyperbole as usual. "I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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elmodefoque says on Nov 27, 2007, 12:22: ooopps, i apologize that campain showing white sheep pushing out black sheep is from sweden. sorry any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Colombiche says on Nov 27, 2007, 12:30: ja ja ja elmo, you are a ball breaker. No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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elmodefoque says on Nov 27, 2007, 12:33: listen, i'm not gonna defend blacks and latinos in europe. all i have to say: any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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manINred says on Nov 27, 2007, 16:00: I like Spain, but racism there is unfortunately a big problem. I have met many people here in Canada who have been discriminated against in Spain because of being Latino. There's a big problem in the football stadiums too. When the England team played in Spain, their black players had bananas thrown at them, and the crowd would make monkey noises. UEFA and FIFA were highly unimpressed.
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manINred says on Nov 27, 2007, 16:11: That being said this is contrary to my experience with Spaniards, who I have on the whole to be wonderfully open, accepting people, especially to Latinos.
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msaucey says on Nov 27, 2007, 16:38: I've heard both sides of the coin when it comes to discrimination and harrassment in Spain... I have an uncle and cousin living in Spain that do not have any issues... I had another friend tell me he was treated horribly by the Spaniards oddly enough he was deported from Spain back to Colombia... So, I'm sure there is more to the story... The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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slguy says on Nov 27, 2007, 17:26: hmmmm. mssaucy, it's not that I doubt your word for even a moment- but I think some fotos are in order, to verify your "drop dead gorgeous" description, don't you? ;) Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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dwmte7 says on Nov 27, 2007, 18:09: lot said about what hollywierd produces....but let's get real. i seen it with my own eyes and lived through it. the macarena blown all to hell, killing a bunch of folks, the freeway brought down. a senators daughter and her boyfriend filled with bullets coming down las palmas because they passed some two bit narco who didn't like them passing him on their moto. folks shot for nothing in the street, bombs in banks, churches and libraries. and while i was living there, the north wing of the intercontinental blown all to hell because somebody's enemy was there...it ain't all bull shit and make up, smoke and mirrors. i lived through all that chaos. and in smaller measure, it's still going on, soooo, i think we're a little sensitive about images. as long as shit clings to surfaces, somebody's gonna talk about it. and that's how hollywood makes it's money dwmte 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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goin_south says on Nov 27, 2007, 21:21: slguy, we'd even be willing to escort the 'drop dead gorgeous calena model' to some other places where possibly, she'd experience some discrimination, wouldn't we??? Nawwwwh... Ciao! Gustav. Bienvenitos, Ike. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Mr. Hollywood says on Nov 28, 2007, 07:50: But, Doug, don't you think a movie about Maurico the shoe salesman, his wife Sonja and their three kids going to school and eating paletas would make a blockbuster hit?
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Monpirri says on Nov 28, 2007, 08:48: Here's the story for the lady. Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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elmodefoque says on Nov 28, 2007, 08:54: QUIEN LO MANDA??? any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Colombiche says on Nov 28, 2007, 09:23: Looks play a part but they arent' really everything, they can actually really work against you because if you happen to be colombian, female and easy on the eyes, you get stereotyped as a hooker, especially in Spain. No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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msaucey says on Nov 28, 2007, 10:03: That does happen... But, did I mention she's from Cali?... lol.... She's 5'11" and doesn't take crap from anyone... Trust me, I've seen her put some people in their place when they start with the harrassment... But, with the twisted Colombian Charm.... The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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john_stark says on Nov 28, 2007, 22:25: "Looks play a part but they arent' really everything, they can actually really work against you because if you happen to be colombian, female and easy on the eyes, you get stereotyped as a hooker, especially in Spain."
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christobeldawg says on Nov 28, 2007, 22:38: I was going to comment but after John's remarks, I no longer know what to say. admittedly, arriving can feel great too 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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goin_south says on Nov 28, 2007, 22:42: lost yer tren of thought? Ciao! Gustav. Bienvenitos, Ike. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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christobeldawg says on Nov 28, 2007, 22:43: He tends to do that to my tren of thoughts admittedly, arriving can feel great too 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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goin_south says on Nov 28, 2007, 22:46: kinda like fallin into a school of hammerheads Ciao! Gustav. Bienvenitos, Ike. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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john_stark says on Nov 28, 2007, 22:48: All that lesbian talk causes a man to lose track. He just starts imagining himself as a meatball in a nice hot sandwich.
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christobeldawg says on Nov 28, 2007, 22:52: late late night pbh always brings out the best in us. anybody out there needing help in locombia travel adventure? we're here. feelin' lucky. admittedly, arriving can feel great too 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Robert Jorge says on Nov 28, 2007, 22:58: I can imagine the same thing, but I prefer to think of myself as a chorizo rather than a meatball. But to each his own. Jajajaja --"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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christobeldawg says on Nov 28, 2007, 23:02: the colombianitas seem to be extreme, either sweet talkin hookers[the minority] or very conservative girls[as in, you have to be mi novio to get it}. admittedly, arriving can feel great too 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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goin_south says on Nov 28, 2007, 23:22: NO FREE CHUCHA 4 U, DAWG Ciao! Gustav. Bienvenitos, Ike. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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christobeldawg says on Nov 28, 2007, 23:24: What is Chucha, and why is it always spelled with capital letters? admittedly, arriving can feel great too 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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goin_south says on Nov 28, 2007, 23:30: I think you gotta get up early en la manana and ask elmo... the self-proclaimed CHUCHA king. Ciao! Gustav. Bienvenitos, Ike. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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christobeldawg says on Nov 28, 2007, 23:33: injun goddess? or something available by prepago? hmmm... admittedly, arriving can feel great too 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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goin_south says on Nov 28, 2007, 23:37: I think Desi says it's really ...."underarm"... but then that can leave the mind roaming I guess, if the other parts happen to be momentarily worn-out Ciao! Gustav. Bienvenitos, Ike. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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goin_south says on Nov 28, 2007, 23:39: I asked my gf last week about CHUCHA... only I said it with small letters.... she concurred with Desi.... to which I replied... 'never mind'.... Ciao! Gustav. Bienvenitos, Ike. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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goin_south says on Nov 28, 2007, 23:40: hey miguel... help me out... how would you convey the thought: "never mind" in spanish? Ciao! Gustav. Bienvenitos, Ike. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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christobeldawg says on Nov 28, 2007, 23:43: Elmo, when you awaken, what it is, EXACTLY? the fountain of youth, the key to immortality, the slice of pie we all yearn for? admittedly, arriving can feel great too 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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goin_south says on Nov 28, 2007, 23:52: A Mayan Queen? Ciao! Gustav. Bienvenitos, Ike. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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christobeldawg says on Nov 28, 2007, 23:57: perhaps the long sought after center of the Mayan Empire? admittedly, arriving can feel great too 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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goin_south says on Nov 28, 2007, 23:59: first there was DIVA.. THEN... CHUCHA Ciao! Gustav. Bienvenitos, Ike. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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christobeldawg says on Nov 29, 2007, 00:02: CHUCHA CHUCHA CHUCHA admittedly, arriving can feel great too 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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elmodefoque says on Nov 29, 2007, 04:41: a CHUCHA is normally found south (if face down) or north ( if face up) from el JOPO. any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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elmodefoque says on Nov 29, 2007, 04:43: the whole purpose of life is very simple, you try to get as much CHUCHA as humanly possible, then you die. any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Colombiche says on Nov 29, 2007, 04:53: "That does happen... But, did I mention she's from Cali?... lol.... She's 5'11" and doesn't take crap from anyone... Trust me, I've seen her put some people in their place when they start with the harrassment... But, with the twisted Colombian Charm.... No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Colombiche says on Nov 29, 2007, 05:02: I really felt the women in spain were bitchy, at least many of the ones I came across. Maybe they resent women from outside coming to their country? No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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elmodefoque says on Nov 29, 2007, 05:05: colombiche jijijijijjjijji y no jedieran a mojon y grajo any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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kalder says on Nov 29, 2007, 05:12: Spaniards often treat Colombians horribly at airports. "kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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john_stark says on Nov 29, 2007, 05:59: "the fountain of youth, the key to immortality, the slice of pie we all yearn for?"
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Robert Jorge says on Nov 29, 2007, 06:07: GS, mine didn't know either. From what I can gather, the word chucha as defined by Elmo is strictly a coastal slang term - if not even more regionalized than that. Chucha anywhere else is an opposum or slang for body odor. Elmo's definition of chucha is known everywhere else as chOcha. --"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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elmodefoque says on Nov 29, 2007, 06:16: GB i agree, bad press is better than no press at all!! any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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morphus says on Nov 29, 2007, 06:24: Even in the streets of New York City with the Boricuas and Dominicanos, people from Mexico, C. America and South America are "WACK" but Colombians they "recognize" and give "props" :)
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kalder says on Nov 29, 2007, 06:52: My wife's Valluna. She's familiar with the word 'chucha'. "kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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elmodefoque says on Nov 29, 2007, 06:54: valluna? que diablo es eso? any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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El Polo says on Nov 29, 2007, 07:10: you know the one about what the corronchita should have said...
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Colombiche says on Nov 29, 2007, 07:33: Polito, el del jopito? No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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kalder says on Nov 29, 2007, 07:35: Valluna? "kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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kalder says on Nov 29, 2007, 07:36: No, it's not. "kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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elmodefoque says on Nov 29, 2007, 07:49: valle del cauca? valle del cauca????? any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Colombiche says on Nov 29, 2007, 07:55: Queda cerca del rio cauca, que desemboca en el Magdalena que desembocan en el mar Caribe (bocas de ceniza). Quiere que le dibuje un mapita? No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Desideria (Moderator) says on Nov 29, 2007, 08:13:
"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Colombiche says on Nov 29, 2007, 08:15: Thanks Desi for joining me on the "let's teach elmo about colombian geography" campaign. No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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elmodefoque says on Nov 29, 2007, 08:33: wow!! great map. tell me, where the fok is bucaramga from cali? any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Desideria (Moderator) says on Nov 29, 2007, 08:35: Bucaramanga is to the northeast of Cali, close to rhe Venezuelan border. on the eastern cordillera while Cali is on the western and Bogota central. "I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Robert Jorge says on Nov 29, 2007, 18:50: Elmo, imagine when your in Cali, that your in NYC. Cali to Bucaramanga, would be like NYC to Dildo, Newfoundland - mas o menos. North a long ways and to the right (east). --"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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john_stark says on Nov 29, 2007, 20:56: The use of the word chucha is not that localized. It's certainly used in Monteria and all along the coast.
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Robert Jorge says on Nov 29, 2007, 21:16: I'll concede I am no expert on the usage of the word "chucha". But the Mrs. had no idea what I was asking her about when I first read Elmo talking about it close to two years ago. And she grew up in Bogota, lived in Villavo. Her now best friend here in the States is from Cali. She had no idea either. She, like my wife, said it is bad body odor or an animal. My friends here who are of Mexican, Puerto Rican, Colombian, Peruvian, Dominican, and Spanish heritage had no idea some people in Colombia call it "chucha." Change the one vowel, the "u" to an "o", and everybody is clear about what's being talked about. So, I will at least stand by my very unexpert opinion and say chucha for most means an opposum or armpit stank. --"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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john_stark says on Nov 29, 2007, 21:22: That's one of the problems with Spanish. Everybody's got their own word. You can travel the entire English speaking world and everyone will understand f*ck, p*ssy and c*ck. Sometimes my wife is reading the subtitles on a movie (almost always Mexican Spanish) and they'll have a slang word and I'll ask her about it and she'll say she has no idea what it means. WTF?!?!!?
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goin_south says on Nov 29, 2007, 22:04: j_s... my gf knows 'jus about everything'... Ciao! Gustav. Bienvenitos, Ike. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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goin_south says on Nov 29, 2007, 22:17: "..My friends here who are of Mexican, Puerto Rican, Colombian, Peruvian, Dominican, and Spanish heritage.." RJ Ciao! Gustav. Bienvenitos, Ike. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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john_stark says on Nov 29, 2007, 22:19: Well if she knows all those Mexican swear words my hat's off to her. Nobody f*cking swears better than a f*cking Mexican.
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goin_south says on Nov 29, 2007, 22:23: Colombians are all so good (different from los mejicanos)... Ciao! Gustav. Bienvenitos, Ike. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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elmodefoque says on Nov 30, 2007, 04:47: guys, just look it up in the dictionary CHUCHA any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Mr. Hollywood says on Nov 30, 2007, 07:50: Re. Mexican slang. I remember watching "Y Tu Mama Tambien" with a Colombian friend and having to explain to her what all those crazy Mexican words meant. She was as baffled as I would be listening to a hard core Cockney. Pretty funny.
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scotty says on Dec 4, 2007, 01:07: cool map desi Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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