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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jun 5, 2005, 06:21:

I can't believe Ecuador beat Argentina!

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carter says on Jun 5, 2005, 10:20:

next game is Wednesday win that and we start getting excited

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 5, 2005, 19:02:

Kat1...Why can't you believe it? Equador established it's credibility in 2002. They were primarily responsible for knocking Colombia out when Colombia lost to them. Let's hope that does not happen again. If Colombia beats them on June 8, depending on what the other teams do in their conference, Equador will all but assure themselves either the 3d or 4th spot.

Equador has been most impressive and to think that it all started with .....I believe, the former coach of Team Colombia. How is that for payback??

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kernow62 says on Jun 5, 2005, 19:50:

Kat1 you shouldn't be surprised, it was in Quito after all, not many teams can play at altitude. Ecuador also beat Brazil there earlier.

Argentine coach also decided to bring a B team as he didn't want to waste his top talent at altitude, they have to play Brazil on Wednesday. Make no mistake Argentina is the better team.

Does Colombia do any altitude training? I know they play in hot a stiicky Barranquilla which puts some other teams at a disadvantage. However I am curious do they train in Bogotá for example to build up fitness?

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 5, 2005, 20:52:

I don't think training in Bogota would help at much in fact... These guys are fit.....period. I think you are right that they play in Barranquilla to put other teams at a disadvantage. But, it would defeat the purpose to train in a cooler climate, otherwise, what advantage would they have? If all they were going to do is play in Barranquilla, I don't think that would give them all that much of an advantage over other teams. Remember, these guys don't play that many games. This is a very part time thing for them. They will play in Barranquilla, and then it's months before they play there again....I don't call that an advantage unless......they also train there.

To be honest, I don't think weather (not altitude) but weather ever gives an advantage to any team. If that was the case, the Chicago Bears should always be the champions. Not only do the Bears play here in Chicago in one of the coldest and windiest cities in the country, to make matters worse, Soldier Field is right smack on Lake Michigan, where the wind is all that more intense. Yet, teams like Tampa Bay, Jacksonville, San Francisco, Atlanta, Dallas, and Mianm, come up here all the time and knock the Bears on their rear....

If you are good, weather doesn't mean a hill of beans....but altitude might. On the other hand.........as I said above, Equador has only come of age in the last 4-5 years, so unless the climate has changed at that time, what their excuse for getting their butts kicked prior to 5 years ago? Na....the more I think about it..give them credit for simply being a good team. They may very well prove that the are (hopefully not) on June 8 in Barranquilla.

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kernow62 says on Jun 5, 2005, 22:10:

Of course weather has a lot to do with it, just witness England's poor performance in hot humid weather. Some teams play good in the rain, some don't. If you never see the sunny side of 70 degrees and all of a sudden you are faced with playing football in Orlando, you better believe it makes a difference.

Altitude training is not just for advantage at altitude, it has practical benefits for physical improvement even when playing at sea level. I was not talking about Bogota's cooler climate specifically.

See what Equador can do against Argentina or Brazil not in Quito, it would likely be very different.

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 5, 2005, 23:07:

True pro atheletes are prepared to play in all such conditions. Like I said, football in this country is a much better example than soccer around the world. There is not that big a difference between a cool climate or a rainly one, or a hot one.

You want to see climate change? Come to Chicago in december when it's 8 degree and the wind is blowing off the lake at 30 miles an hour with gusts up to 50 miles per hour, giving it a "wind chill factor" of minus 30 below zero. So Mr. Kernow, given the fact that the Bears play in temps regularly similar to this, how is it Tampa, who never plays in anything remotely this cold except for when they play in Green Bay, can come up here and walk on the Bears??? I'm talking real temperature differences, not differences you are talking about.

Like I said, well conditioned,pro atheletes are not that easily affected. Weather may be a factor, but a big one??? Na. I think not. My exmple above says it all.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jun 5, 2005, 23:47:

still, I am astonish!:-)
But good for them!

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fosth says on Jun 6, 2005, 00:50:

Difference between Soccer and Football Kernow62 has a point, whenever England or Ireland play football(Soccer) in hotter climes they seem to under perform and end up exhausted. Climate has a big effect on an athlete if he's competing constantly for 45 minutes at a time.
American Football is hardly comparable, the playing staff for 1 game is immense, the playing time between breaks a lot less and the game is played to the clock. Offence,Defence,special teams ,4 quarters,ball out of bounds!! No wonder climate doesn't affect players!!!

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kernow62 says on Jun 6, 2005, 04:37:

Precisely, plus it is much easier to play in a cooler climate, an athlete can layer clothing etc. The opposite is more difficult, especially when humidity is a factor.

I have been in the US a long time, I should be used to this weather here in Florida. I was used to riding a bike in the UK for 50 to 100 miles, no problems, the same for football I could run non-stop full match, I used to think nothing of a casual 10 mile stroll up hill and down. Here in Florida I can barely manage a walk from the car to the mall. I only ride my bike in the cooler months or at night, and even at night I am sweating like a pig. I can still go swimming at the beach when it is too cold for anyone but a few other European tourists; so I fail to see how the climate has no effect on the human body.

Gomez didn't you know Tampa as do all the Florida teams, train in specially cooled refrigerated stadiums. Tampa's special training facility won't reach minus 30 so they train at 10 degrees but naked.

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 6, 2005, 07:13:

I knew that was coming "American style football is hardly comparable".

Does everyone out here on this site consider themselves such authorities on this issue that they can say with definity that the know that the climate changes for American footbal don't make a differnence. That is pure bull!!

And Kernow, you being unable to ride your bike, in the heat is not comperable to what an atheletes situation is. They train day in and day out to play well. Climate is a factor but a very small one. You Kernow are not in the same heightened level of condition that an athelete is in.

Additionally, I still have not heard your answer as to why Equador has only become a good soccer team in the last 5 years. If climate is (was) the deciding factor, then they should have ALWAYS been as competitive as Argentina and Brazil and not just lately. Unless you are trying to tell me that the altititude in Quito made a sudden change only took place 5 years ago.....Yea sure.

Kat1's initial post says it all. Many people, just can't seem to believe that Equador has become a very good team. Their point say it all. And by the way folks, their point were not earned in Concacaf, they were earned in Conmebol, so nobody can find any silly stories about them not having good competition......oh......I forgot...Could it be that they have just been lucky? I thought I would say that before some other fool comes on here and suggests that, that is the reason for their success. No, wait, I think it's the altitude that nobody can get used too..Yea right.

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kernow62 says on Jun 6, 2005, 08:04:

Never said Ecuador (note spelling) was a bad team, playing at Quito does give an advantage. Playing a B side gives an advantage. I am saying Argentina and Brazil are better teams. In qualifying you do not need to win all the time, it is nice, but home games are the ones you need to win.

Often a really good team can be lulled into playing to less than their potential when playing a lesser team. It is a mistake, but it happens. Happened many moons ago when England lost to the US long before I was born.

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 6, 2005, 08:25:

I spell Equador the way it should be spelled The US beat England ??? See, and to think that was before the US "came of age."

I know one thing, as I promised Colx, I will pray for Colombia against EQUADOR. I am very spiritual (not religious) and efforts often pay off. They did the other day with 5 goals...still unbelievable.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jun 6, 2005, 08:31:

In the spanish speaking world is Ecuador.;-)

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ElCheAmericano says on Jun 6, 2005, 08:47:

Ecuador is really not that good Ecuador has not won 1 game as the away team. There is no way one could consider a team to be very good if they cannot win away from there home. They have a record of 5 loses and l draw as visitors, this record includesa losing to Venezuela 3-1 and there best result which was a tie to PERU who colombia just destroyed. I would say Colombia has very good chance to beat Ecuador and still qualify. Ecuador has 7 wins and 1 draw at home during qualifiers, there is no doubt in my mind the altitude is affecting everyone. This Ecuador team maybe a good team, to me its kinda like Bolivia in 1994. They were not a great team but they used La Paz to there advantage. Now they just plain suck, so there not going to win even in the altitude. Still for me there is no excuse for Argentina to lose, I would atleast be happy with a draw I blame the coach, the altitude, the tactics and the fact that Cambiasso was thrown out of the game. This was not really an Argentine B team, alot of the players played in Copa America and the Olympics. They just got beat, for whatever reason they lost but I hope they can bounce back versus Brasil.

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kernow62 says on Jun 6, 2005, 11:33:

I would like to watch the Brazil Argentina match. Is it being shown in the US? Anyone know?

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jun 6, 2005, 11:53:

nt

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 6, 2005, 12:25:

Are you kidding ??? This week...nothing is being televised live here in this country. Maybe you can pick up Brazil-Argentina on Satelite..but not on cable or local.

How about this...Neither Telemundo or ESPN are televising the US-Panama game live. Both are showing a delayed version later in the evening....how about that?

It's obvious, like I said, soccer has a long way to go in this country, before it really becomes a major sport.

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ElCheAmericano says on Jun 6, 2005, 12:27:

Yes it is being shown The game is actually going to be shown on Dish Network Paperview Wednesday 8:40pm. If you dont have Dish Network you can watch close circuit in a Restaurant or Bar for $15.00 dollars a pop. You probably call dish network at 1800-897-8181 to find a local place that will show the game. If you have gol tv they will probably replay the game on friday.

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kernow62 says on Jun 6, 2005, 12:33:

Reuters - India Ecuador, boosted by the win over Argentina, will move within touching distance of their second successive World Cup if they win in Barranquilla.

Colombia, however, are on a roll after a 5-0 win over Peru in the same venue on Saturday revived their hopes.

Colombia have conceded only two goals in their last eight games while Ecuador have picked up 22 of their 23 points at home in Quito, where they have only one match left.

Ecuador striker Agustin Delgado, who has been troubled by a recurring knee injury, is expected to be fit but hard-tackling midfielder Edwin Tenorio is suspended.

Colombia defender Ivan Cordoba is injured and leftback Gerardo Bedoya suspended.

YEPES APPEAL

Colombia players appealed to the public for backing after a paltry 10,000 crowd, one fifth of the Metropolitano stadium's capacity, watched the Peru game.

"We hope that on Wednesday a few more people come to watch us," said defender Mario Yepes.

Paraguay, who have been fading after a strong start, will be glad of a home game against Bolivia, who have

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 6, 2005, 12:42:

I said exactly that...you can get it on satalite--like Dish What I can't understand is why the US-Panama game is not being shown live on any of regular network or cable networks. Of course you can always find some place that has a satalite hook up

I just think it sad that the ratings are so low, that none of the networks decided to carry a live broadcast of the game.


I am certain that all the rest of the games with Mexico will be televised live. Telemundo did the game live last Saturday, and then televised a delay of the US game

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