cockney on C4 news LOL!

kat1 (Moderator) says on Jul 28, 2005, 11:50:

make sure they dont shoot you next, like they did with the poor Brazilian.
Chao X-)

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Veronica22 says on Jul 28, 2005, 11:53:

where? its just talking about some teacher preacher man

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quindioman says on Jul 28, 2005, 11:54:

that is scary could you imagine the last few minutes of that poor blokes life?
I've already got a disclaimer handy when i'm carrying a rucksack in public transport....."Don't let my Arab features disturb you......i am colombian, there's more chance of you finding drugs in my rucksack than explosives"

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quindioman says on Jul 28, 2005, 11:54:

veronica the video is about 10 minutes long...i appear about 3-4 minutes into the report

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jul 28, 2005, 11:56:

LMAO Cockney that was so funn LMAO Cockney that Disclaimer is so funny
Chao X-)

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kernow62 says on Jul 28, 2005, 12:05:

Were you the one with the rucksack talking about the bulldozing of Palestinian's homes by the Israelis?

You do look Arabic, watch your ass, if they tell you to stop I would stop on the spot and throw my hands up right away.

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quindioman says on Jul 28, 2005, 12:06:

that would be me Kernow....now you know what I feel like when i get on a tube or bus...being mistaken for an arab was never a problem...until now

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jul 28, 2005, 12:10:

Time to drop the bear if you got one and dye your hair lol,I've never been mistake for Arab. People always assume I am Spanish, and some think I am Brazilian

Chao X-)

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kernow62 says on Jul 28, 2005, 12:23:

I would cover your dark hair with a chequered tea-towel!! ;-)

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BlondeJamesBond says on Jul 28, 2005, 12:26:

Can't agree with your views cockney, but damn you look like an Arab!!

The police in London aren't exactly being praised right now for distinguishing between South Americans and suicide bombers! Be careful before they put 5 in your head!

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nanis says on Jul 28, 2005, 12:31:

you better not carry a backpack everytime you go on the tube! they'll shoot you before you even get on the train!

Kat looking like a brazilian can't be good either looked what happened to the brazilian guy and he looked nothing like a muslim! i don't know what this people are thinking! boy lucky me i always get mistaken for filipina!

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jul 28, 2005, 12:45:

That's it, from tomorrow i am blonde.
Chao X-)

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BlondeJamesBond says on Jul 28, 2005, 12:49:

Kat1 Good choice ;-D (I've never been so glad to be blonde, than I am right now while I live in London!)

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quindioman says on Jul 28, 2005, 13:02:

kat 1 i would drop the bear but i would have got a hernia by the time i picked him up....but i believe it's a beard you were referring to...i grow one faster than Mr. Crusoe but I would really be asking for it were i to let it grow.
Kernow....what a la Mr. Arafat? yep...i was looking at my bookshelves to take a book to read with me the other day...I have an English translation of the Qu'ran which I used to read on the train....that would really be asking for it
BlondejamesBond....I wouldn't agree with those views they edited either...you missed the bits that followed.....suicide bombing is not justified full stop....I do hope you heard me say I would CONTEMPLATE IT....that's all....when the chips are down I don't think I could live with the fact I just took another person's life...
On the blonde thing, i actually dyed it a few years ago....MUPET ALERT!

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jul 28, 2005, 13:05:

Cockney sorry i forgot my d, you and me will looks like "muppet alert" lol
Chao X-)

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BlondeJamesBond says on Jul 28, 2005, 13:24:

Cockney Yeah, I know about those news guy's editing - as a 15 year old I gave an in-depth, 2 minute interview on England's 4-1 win over Holland during Euro '96 after being stopped outside Wembley - they never used it, B'stard's!!!!!!

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BlondeJamesBond says on Jul 28, 2005, 13:28:

Tinto More worrying than that.

The Police had 'intelligence' that someone where that Brazilian lived was a terror suspect.

They saw the Brazilian leave his home

Plain clothes police followed him to the station

When he went to board the train, they whipped out their machine guns, poor Brazilian bloke falls over, they pin him down and put 5 in the back of his head!

If a gang of non-uniformed blokes pulled machine gun's on me in London, I'd try and make a run for it too

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quindioman says on Jul 28, 2005, 13:32:

tinto i have heard a lot of theories trying to establish why the poor guy didn't stop.....however did you know that the police LET him get on a bus? They were scoping him for the length of the journey....the guy had refused to stop but at the same time it is unclear what stpes the police took in trying to identify themselves....from a lot of interviews it is becoming clear that the police did not do everything in their capabilities to identify themselves as the law...the fact that he could have been an illegal immigrant (or had overstayed his stay) is a very good possibilty....it's the one i buy the most out of all the excuses that have been given....(he was also meant to have been mugged by some white thugs)...Stockwell isn't very white so I don't buy that one....that particular day was not that hot either.....the police wrongly established that he was a bomber from the moment he vaulted over the gates....from that second not even Jesus could have saved that poor bloke...they had already decided to take him out as soon as they could....in front of astonished passengers....6 to the head, 1 to the mouth and 1 to the shoulder (for good luck).
If i get pulled up i AM FREEZING STILL.....

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BlondeJamesBond says on Jul 28, 2005, 13:36:

cockney Hadn't heard it was 8 shots - Every new detail I hear about it makes it sound more farcical.

What are our police and intelligence services coming to when they can mark out a Brazilian as a suicide bomber!?!?!

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quindioman says on Jul 28, 2005, 13:40:

it is scary i try and understand their point of view (had it really been a bomber these guys would have been having tea with the queen and cherie at Bucks palace). But i thought 8 shots is a bit excessive....if you aiming for the head 2 should be enough....ok maybe 3 to make sure but 6 to the head and 1 to the shoulder and mouth takes the biscuit...especially when the poor bugger was from Brazil and didn't even look Arabic

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quindioman says on Jul 28, 2005, 13:44:

blondejames Bond do you know that was the only time I actually rooted for the 3 Lions? Damn what a pasting they handed to the clockwork orange....FOOTBALL'S COMING HOME IT'S COMING HOME IT'S COMING!!!!!
I would have been seriously deflated if they didn't show that either.....it's not every day you drub the dutch 4-1

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kernow62 says on Jul 28, 2005, 13:47:

The problem is if you are the police and you identify yourself as such and it IS a bomber, they detonate the bomb right then and there killing all and sundry. It is a very delicate time, and in my book the bombers are also responsible for causing the tragic death of this young man.

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Sylvie says on Jul 28, 2005, 13:50:

lol, didn't they realize you were not an arabd when they took your name down?

that's funny. I could imagine "ok Mr. Diego Santo Domingo Sanchez, as a Muslim, how do you feel about the bombings in London"

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quindioman says on Jul 28, 2005, 13:58:

no Sylvie the woman interviewer was a muslim, the cameraman appeared to be white....she just looked at me walking down the road and immediately thought hmmmm young arab with rucksack.....she wasted no time in homing into me...no questions asked about names....she just approached me and asked me if she could ask me a few questions regarding the london bombings...in the end i didn't even ask them what programme they would air on...it wasn't until the next day I had a few people come up to me telling me they saw me on c4 news....I actually felt like telling them....listen I feel quite strongly about this subject and i'm not even Arab!....i dunno i guess i din't want to spoil my chances of appearing on TV!

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BlondeJamesBond says on Jul 28, 2005, 14:01:

Euro '96 Great great day and I was a little deflated I didn't get on TV - although to be fair I was hanging around outside the stadium with some mates, listening to the match on the radio!!!! So perhaps the tv crew realized I was talking rubbish!!!!!

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Lauthra says on Jul 28, 2005, 14:25:

Blimey... You do look arabic :P But then again Spain was under Moor occupation for a fair while...Before they decided to come to the Amercias. I was interviwed once for a University programme, doubt they used me cos as soon as that mic reached my face I turned into a mumbling idiot...er, ah, em..*drool* :P

Nato

(='.'=)

Nato (='.'=)

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toneloc24 says on Jul 28, 2005, 14:38:

I think you might be better off wearing some Colombian bracelets and the like, as opposed to continually being mistaken for Arabic.

15 minutes of fame, mate, enjoy it!!! How many girls have you shown it to so far? LOL!!!

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

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quindioman says on Jul 28, 2005, 14:57:

tone loc it's pointless...i have been mistaken for an arab since i started buying cigarettes....i would walk into the newsagent and would be greeted with some arabic....halaba hala.....you wot? sorry mate all i know how to say in arabic is salaam a leko and shoukran....oh and enchallah...as for the 15 minutes of fame...actually it's not my tv debut...i also appeared on a crappy quiz show called 100% I got 54% answered all the hard questions and goofed up on the easy ones...i also appeared in the background in one of these interviews...i was doing the lottery in the background with a bag of spuds in one hand...i actually haven't shown much people this interview...i contemplated it long and hard and it took me a week to actually post it here (which i was not going to do)

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vladimiro says on Jul 28, 2005, 15:25:

Brazilian and racial profiling "Regardless of why he was wearing a heavy coat in hot weather"

- It was in the 70s with a cool breeze which may be considered hot by the British but can be considered cold by a South American (as anyone who has been to Bogota knows). The Brazilian was working legally in the UK as an electrician and his race seems to be a main reason why he was killed.

Racial profiling is a problem in this case because:

"The terrorists don't have an ethnicity in common. Richard Reid and Lindsey Germaine were Caribbean. Others are Arabs. Some have been Somali or Eritrean or Tanzanian. Others have been South Asia (India/Pakistan/Bangladesh). Still others have been African-American or white Americans. They don't even have to start out Muslim. Ayman al-Zawahiri was particularly proud of an al-Qaeda operative in Afghanistan who had been an American Jew in a previous life. Ziad Jarrah, one of the September 11 hijackers, appears to have been a relatively secular young man right to the end. It isn't about religion, except insofar as religion is a basis on which the recruiter can approach his victim.

If you try to "profile" the terrorist using such social markers as class or ethnicity, maybe even religious background, you will go badly astray.

What then do they have in common? They got the software installed in their minds. Why? Because they met the installer, and were susceptible to his worldview. That's all they have in common.

So the young man goes to the Finsbury Mosque in the old days and hangs out with Imam. And he points out that the Israelis had fired a huge missile into a residential apartment building to get at a Hamas leader, and had killed 16 civilians, including a little baby. And nobody said "boo" to the Israelis. The US actually gave them more money after that. Tony Blair deplored it, but did nothing practical. Then, the Imam will tell him, the Americans destroyed Fallujah and killed hundreds of innocents. He might even have the photograph that circulated last December, of the dead baby at Fallujah. And nobody can say "boo" to the Americans, and they go on killing Muslims. In fact, the Imam intimates, pulling the young man close, almost whispering, tears in his eyes, the West is destroying Islam. Almost nothing is left of Islam, he will say. It will be completely devastated in our lifetimes. Nobody is lifting a finger to stop it.

So the young man says, what could anyone do? And the Imam says, there is something. But it isn't for ordinary people. It isn't for mere show-offs. And the young man says, sticking out his chest, I'm not showing off! I really want to help, to do something that would make a difference. The Imam says, a person who was really committed could change everything. He could save the Muslim Ummma from destruction. But, no, you are not ready. You don't have the training, the commitment. You are useless. And the young man protests, until he is put in touch with the trainer and given the mission. His new friends all agree on this view of the world. He hangs out with them, at the mosque, at the gym, even socially. They reinforce each other. They tell each other the stories of the harm done to Muslims. They get angry. They swear. They are determined not to be like the rest, who just let it happen. The young man gains in determination. The mission inflates his ego. Maybe he had low self-esteem, maybe not. But he is about to save the world, he is told."

www.juancole.com

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Crazy4Cali says on Jul 28, 2005, 15:56:

yikes! so there you are, behind you, plainclothed people pull out guns and start shouting...

You run, you die
You don't run, you die

or they identify themselves as police

You are a bomber and you pull the pin, many people die
You are not a bomber, you don't pull anything, but they think you are the bomber so you are shot turning around to say you're not a bomber.

Hmmmm....

Scary stuff.

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