Chicha drink

Monpirri says on May 21, 2008, 19:58:

I enjoy corn chicha enhanced with pineapple skins.

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CatGirl says on May 21, 2008, 22:14:

You guy are sooooo cute. Do I need to get out some sort of PBH decoder ring, jjejee.

Hey - I still havent figured out the papaya comments...maybe best I stay in the dark on this stuff. jeje

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kat1 (Moderator) says on May 22, 2008, 01:29:

In Cartagena, in the old tow, there is a shop that sells chicha, can you believe it! in Cartagena, and the funny thing is you take your own bottle and the fill it up, i personally don't like chicha nor masato, but my dad love it, so every morning while we were in Cartagena he was taken his two litter Coca cola bottle to be filled up

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Liam101 says on May 22, 2008, 05:54:

I think El Taller in La Candalaria was where I tried it. It's pretty grim stuff though. Taste like alcholic vinegar, depends what you're into!
The bar's pretty cool though in that its old and small and has plenty of character.

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Tinto (Moderator) says on May 22, 2008, 08:00:

I visit a family sometimes where the patriarch is a big fan of masato. To be polite, I drink a small glass if offered and hope to God it's the kind that was fermented "normally" and not in someone's mouth*

*(look up chicha in Wikipedia for a discussion about fermenting with human saliva).

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Mononoke28 says on May 22, 2008, 08:58:

I've never had it, what does it taste like? I had guarapo when I was in El Parque de Envigado and that stuff was naaaaaaasty!

Diana

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kat1 (Moderator) says on May 22, 2008, 09:03:

either you love it or you hate it, i have tried both chicha and masato and never again....
i rather have guarapo

I bet if you're constipated you can have a cup of chicha. that will sort you out

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Mononoke28 says on May 22, 2008, 09:16:

Eeeeeeeeeeeewwwww! Fo!

Diana

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ColombianoGringo says on May 22, 2008, 09:41:

I grew up being forced to eat all kinds of weird shit in Colombia. Some I liked, some was gross. Still, I could never bring myself to drink something made with some guy's spit.

QUE ASCO!!!!

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Monpirri says on May 22, 2008, 12:48:

Que ignorante puede la gente ser, verdad ColombianoGringo.
Chicha one of the most refreshing, healthy and nutritious drinks in the Continent. This unique drink has always been attacked by the large corporations, the government and by the ignorant voice, I wonder why?

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Monpirri says on May 22, 2008, 13:00:

• In many parts of Colombia chicha is prepared with maize, yuca, quinoa, pineapple, rice, potatoes, etc., depending on the zone. Some recipes even include cannabis or coca leaf, or other traditional entheogens. It is drunk in large quantities in celebrations but also as a refreshing and nutritious beverage.
Chicha is prepared in many ways, and is considered an art, and a person who makes good chicha is respected, but it is usually kept between family and friends because of cases of prohibition, the difficulty of storing and transporting it, as well as prejudice against indigenous traditions (though the tradition has spread to many non-indigenous communities). While primarily consumed in rural areas, some bars and restaurants in Bogotá and other Andean cities serve chicha, and the drink is especially popular in countercultural circles as a sort of DIY alternative to mass-produced beers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicha

I do not know what kind of chicha you guys have tried out.

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Monpirri says on May 22, 2008, 13:22:

En 1948 se prohibió la fabricación de chicha de maíz (Ley 34 de 1948) que no fuera pasteurizada y embotellada en envase cerrado de vidrio, al tiempo que se culpaba a la Chicha de embrutecer a las personas; sin embargo, el gobierno Colombiano fomentaba el consumo de cerveza a través de subsidios.

Éste fue un golpe cultural a los indígenas y al consumo de la bebida tradicional muisca, que disminuyó los ingresos de muchas familias de origen indígena y se agregó a la pérdida de las tierras. La prohibición rigió hasta 1991. El Festival de la chicha, el maíz, la vida y la dicha [1] se celebra en Bogotá en el barrio La Perseverancia (principal sitio de producción de chicha) como una muestra de las tradiciones ancestrales de alegría e identidad.

Sabe alguien aqui como se prepara la chicha? Que barbaridad lo que dice la gente que no conoce la cocina colombiana.

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jonas says on May 22, 2008, 13:23:

around the corner from El Taller, El Chorro de Quevedo, the small alley leading north from the plaza is where you find Chicha in just about any of the little rock bars.

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Monpirri says on May 22, 2008, 13:25:

Thanks Jonas! Rubito for the location and Kat1 for her info.

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Monpirri says on May 22, 2008, 13:30:

"Chicha is a formerly forbidden strong alcoholic beverage originally made by the indigenous peoples of the Andes. It can be prepared from virtually everything, but is typically made from corn."
I have tried only the corn chicha with pineapple skins, the drink tastes like pretty good and it's very refreshing, but like the comment above not everyone knows how to make good chicha!

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ColombianoGringo says on May 22, 2008, 13:31:

No tomo ni cerveza ni gaseosas porque prefiero agua y jugos naturales, pero tampoco voy a tomar semejante cosa que empieza como las masticadas de alguien.

De acuerdo a lo que he odio y leído, se hace de maíz masticado por alguien como catalizador para la fermentación. Me consta que existen algunas variedades que no las hacen así, pero este tema se trata de la tradicional, no?

He comido cualquier cantidad de locuras en Colombia y la mayoría resultaron sabrosas, pero esto no me llama la atención en lo mínimo. Eso si, el que le guste que lo disfrute.

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Tinto (Moderator) says on May 22, 2008, 13:42:

The Colombian government may have had health considerations in mind with law 34 of 1948, but I believe the municipal governments owned (and may still own) the regional producers of aguardiente. It's a sweet deal to be able to legislate your competitors out of existence.

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Monpirri says on May 22, 2008, 13:43:

CG, no sea pendejo acaso le va a creer lo que un gringo que no conoce de la cocina colombiana para que le diga a usted como se prepara la chicha en COLOMBIA.
How about you go and travel there and do a documentary on it since you do not know how is prepared. Chicha is fermented in large bowls!

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Monpirri says on May 22, 2008, 13:46:

Here is another place where one can enjoy Chicha.

“Rica Chicha" del Señor Caído de Monserrate


Chicha, Masato y Guarapo. Jorge Fidel Castro. Monserrate, Bogotá, octubre de 2007.
Arranco a postear con una imagen bien capitalina.
Si usted está en el centro de Bogotá y quiere ir a Monserrate (aproximadamente 3.130 m.s.n.m), le recomendamos que vaya temprano, suba a pie hasta el ingreso y tome allí el Funicular o el Teleférico. Normalmente le dicen a uno que tome un taxi hasta allá, porque el acceso es un poco lejos, pero en realidad es algo decepcionante montarse al vehículo y llegar a pocos minutos (aclaro que los taxista son muy formales). Esta fue nuestra primera mala elección.
El precio del tiquete es de 6.300 pesos, pero por economía se ofrece un tiquete de ida y regreso en 12.000. Como era nuestra primera visita y nosotros somos tan economizadores, pagamos los 12.000, por ahorrarnos unos pesitos. Esta fue nuestra segunda mala elección. Como somos “jóvenes aún‿, pudimos haber bajado a pie, pues al parecer el camino es todo un parche, se recorre sin parar en menos de una hora y en él se encuentra uno de frente con la gente, las artesanías y otras comidas, y digo otras, porque arriba detrás de la iglesia del Señor Caído de Monserrate también hay una ruta especializada en ellas.
La chicha. Ya varias personas nos habían recomendado tomar chicha en Bogotá; en el cerro se dio la oportunidad. En la ruta de las comidas nos pudimos encontrar grandes vasijas de barro con Chicha y Guarapo. La chicha, para los que no lo saben es una bebida fermentada de maíz, deliciosa y refrescante. Allá el vaso cuesta 1.000 pesos y es tan espumeante como una buena cerveza, tiene una densidad interesante, que creo que podría llamarse cuerpo y un sabor parecido al que queda en la boca luego de unas cuantas cervezas. Aunque ya habíamos tomado Chicha en otras partes, esta nos encantó. Bueno, al parecer nuestro tercer error fue pagar mil pesos por el vaso de Chicha, pues un amigo de Bogotá se río de nosotros al decirnos que el precio era de 500 pesitos…
Eso de la planta no importa, finalmente la relación costo beneficio fue mejor y el vaso de chicha estaba grande…
Dejo aquí porque no quiero quemar todo el rollo de Monserrate en un solo post.

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Monpirri says on May 22, 2008, 13:52:

Tinto read the history of the beer in Colombia and ...

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Monpirri says on May 22, 2008, 13:53:

For those who do not know how chicha is made.

"en mi familia, la del campo, hacen chicha de piña y sabe delicioso, la entierran en botellas plásticas por tres meses y luego la sacan y la preparan con agua y azúcar. Se pega uno unas borracheras de cuenta de esa vaina, hummmmm".

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Tinto (Moderator) says on May 22, 2008, 13:55:

What is the history of the beer industry? To me it can be summed up as:

1. German immigrant starts Bavaria around 1880

2. Until SAB Miller bought him out a couple of years ago, Santo Domingo was fabulously successful in creating a monopoly serving up weak, mediocre, me-too beers.

Somewhere between No. 1 and No. 2 the competition commission (if such a thing exists) was asleep on the job or was bribed.

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jonas says on May 22, 2008, 13:57:

Bavaria apparently holds 98,5 of the market. I guess the commission was killed ;P

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Monpirri says on May 22, 2008, 13:58:

Bavarianomaschicha

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Monpirri says on May 22, 2008, 13:59:

Well done Jonas!

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jonas says on May 22, 2008, 14:02:

Have you guys ever been to the grave (with a bronze statue) of Herr Kopp, the founder of Bavaria? It´s my favorite site to show visitors. Especially on "dia de las almas" which is every Monday people line up to worship the guy, putting down flowers and whispering into the statues ears hoping for economic wealth. It´s brilliant! Cementerio Central, Calle 26 (Av. El Dorado) easy to find.

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gatogris says on May 22, 2008, 14:04:

I don't think its such a great idea to idealize a substance that leads to the sight of drunken Indians sprawled along the roadsides throughout the rural Andes. Foods and drink associated with indigenous life have become a favorite way to convey a nationalist message, but its time to dismiss this as an essentialist fiction. Let's get real, the Incans are long dead and Chicha itself was dissappearing in the twentieth century untill a local leftist intelligencia sympathetic to the indigenista caused it to be revived as part of a political project. Those faux boho Los Andes students swilling that goop in the squalor of the callejon outside the Choro? Just gettin high on their own supply, in search of authenticity. In fact, nothing could be more ludicrous than championing the cause of this unsanitary and unwholsome beverage in the name of a preservation of culture or 'Colombian-ness', since it is basically encouraging a scourge of a social problem among the Indians themselves.

But then again, if ya like to get a little lit, it'll certainly do the trick.

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gatogris says on May 22, 2008, 14:04:

I don't think its such a great idea to idealize a substance that leads to the sight of drunken Indians sprawled along the roadsides throughout the rural Andes. Foods and drink associated with indigenous life have become a favorite way to convey a nationalist message, but its time to dismiss this as an essentialist fiction. Let's get real, the Incans are long dead and Chicha itself was dissappearing in the twentieth century untill a local leftist intelligencia sympathetic to the indigenista movement caused it to be revived as part of a political project. Those faux boho Los Andes students swilling that goop in the squalor of the callejon outside the Choro? Just gettin high on their own supply, in search of authenticity. In fact, nothing could be more ludicrous than championing the cause of this unsanitary and unwholsome beverage in the name of a preservation of culture or 'Colombian-ness', since it is basically encouraging a scourge of a social problem among the Indians themselves.

But then again, if ya like to get a little lit, it'll certainly do the trick.

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gatogris says on May 22, 2008, 14:04:

bumpety bump

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ColombianoGringo says on May 22, 2008, 14:05:

Primero que todo, cuidado con los insultos que yo siempre lo trato a usted con respeto.

Segundo, quien dijo que le había oído eso a un gringo? De que yo haya escuchado en COLOMBIA, la chicha tradicional de maíz se hace con una masa que consiste de granos de maíz masticados. Después la fermentan. Como dije, podrán existir otras variedades que no sean así, pero la tradicional así la hacen y eso me parece desagradable. Me refiero específicamente a ese método de hacerla.

De cualquier manera, si no se me da la puta gana probarla, eso es cosa mía. No bebo alcohol normal para irme a tomar semejante vaina. Tampoco tomaría whisky hecho en casa.

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jonas says on May 22, 2008, 14:14:

Here is a story on the cementario central and the Kopp´s grave. Really well worth a visit.
http://www.ewakulak.com/colombia/personajes/leo_kopp_y_su_tumba_en_el_...

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Monpirri says on May 22, 2008, 15:22:

ColombianoGringo, do you really think ‘Colombians’ they would go and buy corn and chew it and then make chicha?? You are talking about a different culture or a different era. I'm sorry if I do not sound too friendly.
Anyway, here I leave you several comments about Chicha from happy Colombians:

1. verónica dijo:
24 de Abril, 2008 - 11:35
huy esa chicha sabía deliciosa, y yo no sé si es por el clima o la altura pero sabía a chicha, chicha de verdad, y era muy refrescante, fuerte y cogedorcita.

2. Esteban Dublín dijo:
24 de Abril, 2008 - 16:30
Estimadísima Verónica, ¿de verdad es tan deliciosa como dices? A mí ya me agarró el mal del progreso y no sé si me atrevería. Si tú me dices que la pruebe, me le mido.

3. Un Ave de Mal Aguero dijo:
24 de Abril, 2008 - 17:02
Ahí es donde uno se pregunta por qué la chicha no se vende como una bebida nacional, con todos los fierros, así como la cerveza. Y nos damos cuenta que por eso es que nos llevan mucha ventaja en cosas.
Quién sabe que intereses ha habido de por medio y en vez de tenerla como un producto tecnificado, antes se ha demonizado y tachado de antihigiénico… A estas alturas debería existir la Chicha Club Colombia, Chicha Cristal Oro y las chicas Chicha, vestidas con paruma (taparrabo), promocionando el producto en Puntos Chicha.

4. contacto dijo:
24 de Abril, 2008 - 20:35
Claro esteban hay que probar de todo, como dicen los “chinos��?, se como todo que tenga patas menos las mesas y todo lo que vuele, menos los aviones.

5. verónica dijo:
24 de Abril, 2008 - 21:14
en mi familia, la del campo, hacen chicha de piña y sabe delicioso, la entierran en botellas plásticas por tres meses y luego la sacan y la preparan con agua y azúcar. Se pega uno unas borracheras de cuenta de esa vaina, hummmmm.

6. Alex Cuervo dijo:
24 de Abril, 2008 - 21:46
Pues te cuento Vero que recuerdo mucho aquella chicha de mora que tomamos en Tamesis… La señora nos decía que estaba reducida, con agua y azúcar, como lo contaste, que porque de lo contrario era demasiado peligrosa. No me la quiero ni imaginar, si me tomé un vasadito y comencé a ver elefantes rosados.

7. verónica dijo:
24 de Abril, 2008 - 22:04
si, estaba rica cierto?, pero fuertecita, yo le dije a mi tia: “yo hoy no quiero tomar, y la chicha me parece perfecto porque no me deja tan mariada como el ron��?; jua jua, que ingenuidad, terminé más borracha que todos y en tiempo record.

8. Rasputin dijo:
25 de Abril, 2008 - 6:46
Hace algunos años, en un concierto punk, nos dio a varios disentéricos por adicionarle a una chicha de piña que llevábamos en una cantimplora una botella de vodka. La combinación pegó… no recuerdo bien cómo regrese a mi casa pero la bebida estuvo muy “muy refrescante, fuerte y cogedorcita��?. Todo un coctel made in Colombia, digno de ser ofrecido en un bar Polaco o Ruso.

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Monpirri says on May 22, 2008, 15:28:

Tinto, read the story about Bavaria and Chicha in Colombia.
HISTORIA DE LA CERVEZA EN COLOMBIA
En este periodo la mayoría de las pequeñas cervecerías y algunas medianas se han ido cerrando o han sido compradas por las nuevas grandes empresas. También se comienza la primera gran batalla contra la chicha y el guarapo, con una fuerte la alianza entre Gobierno Nacional y las grandes cerveceras. Estas bebidas de fabricación casera, que eran consumidas por la gran clase obrera, campesina y humilde, se habían convertido en pequeñas industrias caseras. Las cerveceras estaban muy interesadas en conquistar su mercado y el gobierno de la nación en acabarlas por la imposibilidad de poder cobrar los impuestos reales a las chicherías. Igualmente, el Gobierno buscaba la forma de erradicar el consumo de estas dos bebidas por la falta de higiene que se tiene el proceso de fabricación, generando en la población diferentes tipos de enfermedades y además el consumo desmesurado podía producir trastornos físicos y mentales.
Se calcula que para más o menos 1910 existían solo en Bogotá 45 chicherías que podrían producir 35.000 litros diarios de chicha, mientras las cervecerías de Germania y Bavaria solo producían 6.000 litros diarios de cerveza.
http://www.historiacocina.com/historia/cerveza/colombia1.htm

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Monpirri says on May 22, 2008, 15:31:

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ColombianoGringo says on May 22, 2008, 15:43:

"do you really think ‘Colombians’ they would go and buy corn and chew it and then make chicha??"

Maybe not "modern" Colombians in the cities, but I guarantee that in small towns and rural areas, there are still people making this stuff the old fashioned way.

On a more humorous note, here is a funny article I saw in Soho a while back about some guy and his adventures trying chicha.

http://www.soho.com.co/wf_InfoArticulo.aspx?IdArt=4004

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CatGirl says on May 22, 2008, 16:16:

CG - I am with you on the idea of a strangers saliva. Yuk.

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Lisa Zee says on May 22, 2008, 18:24:

OMG!!!! What tribe are you guys talking about, do we live in the middle of the Amazon jungle or what?, chewing and spiting it back!!!???? I only sow that in National Geographic.
Please correct me if I am wrong.... but nobody in rural Colombia or urban Colombian is spiting in their chicha, are you NUTS!!!.

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CatGirl says on May 22, 2008, 18:56:

Lisa ' jejeje ' you crack me up

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Lisa Zee says on May 22, 2008, 19:22:

Can you imagine a newbie looking for info about Colombia!?.... great !now we are no longer just Mafiosos, gorillas, crazy, bandits, but we drink someone`s spit!, how do ya like that Kitty...... want to go to Colombia any time soon???, yum yum!!!!

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ColombianoGringo says on May 22, 2008, 19:25:

Oh please. I actually asked a few of my relatives in Colombia about it tonight and was told that the traditional stuff can be had although the more modern methods prevail. It is primarily made by "indios", but not necessarily just the ones in the sticks. Like I said, it is not really like they just spit in the pot. They chew corn kernels into a mash and use that as part of the process.

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Monpirri says on May 22, 2008, 19:28:

Lisa Zee, muy bien dicho, pero que barbaridad esta mentalidad y lo peor es que los que estan hablando tanta chatarra nunca la han visto prepar y tampoco la han probado!
I bet you, they have never seen how chicha is made, but I have, and even worst they have never taste one. Chicha comes in different flavors and a chicha drink doesn’t have to be alcoholic. This natural and refreshing beverage can be found easily in Monserrate! Yeap, right there in a tourist area in Bogota.


This ad was used by the big beer companies and conjunction with the government to crusade against the chicha beverage.

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Lisa Zee says on May 22, 2008, 19:29:

My brothers made chicha when I was a kid: water, pineapple skins, panela. don`t remember what else, BUT, I sure remember, we did not chew anything and spited it back in the bowl. guacala!

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ColombianoGringo says on May 22, 2008, 19:31:

There are apparently lots of varieties. Isn't guarapo made with pineapple as well?

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CatGirl says on May 22, 2008, 19:32:

Lisa...I can only say that if it was on the menu I would Definitely PASS


CG They chew corn kernels into a mash and use that as part of the process.

Kind of a much more intimate version of when the Italians mashed grapes with their feet, eh ,jeje...yuk too. But it happened

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Monpirri says on May 22, 2008, 19:36:

CG, if you have never tasted one or have never seen anyone prepare chicha, you need to cool off and travel down there, please. There are two places where you can start trying the wonderful drink; Monserrate and Club Colombia restaurant.

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Lisa Zee says on May 22, 2008, 19:39:

BUT THEY DO NO SPIT IN IT!!! tell him Monpi!

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Monpirri says on May 22, 2008, 19:39:

"3. Un Ave de Mal Aguero dijo:

24 de Abril, 2008 - 17:02
Ahí es donde uno se pregunta por qué la chicha no se vende como una bebida nacional, con todos los fierros, así como la cerveza. Y nos damos cuenta que por eso es que nos llevan mucha ventaja en cosas.
Quién sabe que intereses ha habido de por medio y en vez de tenerla como un producto tecnificado, antes se ha demonizado y tachado de antihigiénico… A estas alturas debería existir la Chicha Club Colombia, Chicha Cristal Oro y las chicas Chicha, vestidas con paruma (taparrabo), promocionando el producto en Puntos Chicha."

I asked the same, about four year now, we need to have Chicha Club Dorada de Colombia in the market.

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Monpirri says on May 22, 2008, 19:46:

Lisa, come te parece el nombre de la nueva botella de chicha que vamos a lanzar en el mercado, "Chicha Club Dorada de Colombia" ;>)

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ColombianoGringo says on May 22, 2008, 19:47:

Well, I'm sure they are not spitting in that stuff. Still, I really don't drink alcohol much. Maybe I'll want to get drunk off my ass and try some.

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Lisa Zee says on May 22, 2008, 19:49:

Can You imagine hiring the chewers....LOL. What do you do for a living? I work for "Chicha Cristal", and my job is chewing and spiting from 9: to 5:!

In their resume:
I have been chewing " chicle bomba for 15 years!
I chewed and spit tobacco since I was 11 years old! Oh and I can spit 10 feet across into a bowl! LOL

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ColombianoGringo says on May 22, 2008, 19:51:

I bet I could find some of the "traditional" kind in a few cities I frequent in Southern Colombia. Hell, my inlaws probably know a guy. I'll ship you each a bottle ;)

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Monpirri says on May 22, 2008, 19:51:

Jajjajajjajjajajjajjajajjajajjajajajajjaj Liza, that was FUNNY Stuff!!!

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Lisa Zee says on May 22, 2008, 20:02:

Con saliva de 10 Colombianos o sin saliva Rubito?

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Lisa Zee says on May 22, 2008, 20:04:

Oh yes, you don`t get any diseases or anything right!?

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Monpirri says on May 22, 2008, 20:14:

Rubito, remember when you try it again ask questions about it. For instance, what kind of chicha are they selling (corn, rice, pineapple/corn, quinoa) does it have other fruits to enhance the flavor, such a pineapple skins. How strong is it? And ask the vendor, in his or her opinion how many glasses you would have to drink to get drunk because some chichas get you drunk while others are only refreshment drinks and finally ask them if they know or if they would recommend another chicha joints in Bogota or outside of Bogota?

"In many parts of Colombia chicha is prepared with maize, yuca, quinoa, pineapple, rice, potatoes, etc., depending on the zone. Some recipes even include cannabis or coca leaf, or other traditional entheogens. It is drunk in large quantities in celebrations but also as a refreshing and nutritious beverage.
Chicha is prepared in many ways, and is considered an art, and a person who makes good chicha is respected."

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slguy says on May 22, 2008, 20:15:

long as they didn't need to spit more than 80 miles, rubito's fine with it. ;)

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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CatGirl says on May 22, 2008, 20:18:

Lisa! You are on a roll tonight!

Can You imagine hiring the chewers....LOL. What do you do for a living? I work for "Chicha Cristal", and my job is chewing and spiting from 9: to 5:!

In their resume:
I have been chewing " chicle bomba for 15 years!
I chewed and spit tobacco since I was 11 years old! Oh and I can spit 10 feet across into a bowl! LOL

That is a gem of a statement. Lisa you have the best kind of humor

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Lisa Zee says on May 22, 2008, 20:25:

I have fun doing it also, I am so tired, I need to relax.

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PALEOLITICO says on May 24, 2008, 10:11:

Yo no sabia que la forma mas tradicional de la preparación de la chicha es como dice CG. Yo tampoco me le mediría a tomarla preparada así. Miren:

"La preparación de la chicha de maíz en los grupos indígenas selváticos tiene el siguiente procedimiento:

Se coloca una gran olla de barro utilizada exclusivamente para estos fines y se le echa agua lluvia endulzada con zumo de caña criolla, caña de maíz o frutos dulces. Alrededor se sientan varias indias jóvenes cuya dentadura se halle en perfecto estado (cosa la más frecuente) a masticar puñados de maíz. Una vez triturados los granos son arrojados a la olla. La "ptialina" o fermento natural de la saliva ayuda a que el proceso de fermentación del preparado se acelere. Otras indias cantan mientras tanto para amenizar la labor y darle el carácter ritual que tiene este oficio.

Quienes piensan que tal sistema es antihigiénico debe recordar que en la preparación del vino en las edades clásicas (Grecia y Mediterráneo) se ponían las uvas en anchos toneles llamados "lagares" y allí varios mocetones con las piernas desnudas hasta medio muslo pisaban los racimos para exprimirlo y extraer el mosto. Esta costumbre aun perdura en algunas regiones".

Tomado de: Memoria Cultural del Pacífico.

Enseñame a enseñar.

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adrimm says on May 24, 2008, 10:14:

We have this great picture from Barichara of a home-brew Masato place.. shoot it isn't online..

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adrimm says on May 24, 2008, 10:14:

We have this great picture from Barichara of a home-brew Masato place.. shoot it isn't online..

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tejasmarcos says on May 24, 2008, 10:35:

funny thread!

here is some guarapo being made up the hill in Santo Domingo de Salvio. very tasty indeed.....

never heard of "chicha".

trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine...

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Monpirri says on May 24, 2008, 10:50:

Paleo, es que alguna gente cree que en Colombia todos son indigenas. Dime cual es la chicha que a ti te gusta? Tienes por ahi una recetica como se hace tan cual como nosotros sabemos?

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Monpirri says on May 24, 2008, 11:04:

Tejasmarcos, you never heard of chicha for real? Well, chicha is very popular in many countries:
Bolivia
Chile
Colombia
Costa Rica
Ecuador
El Salvador
Nicaragua Panama
Peru
Venezuela

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gatogris says on May 24, 2008, 15:15:

At least in Colombia they don't use human urine as the fermenting agent as they do in Bolivia. I had trouble getting it down when in the highlands outside Potosi I saw a guy drinking from a gourd while happily passing gas and micturating into a vat of crushed corn. But I guess its the ultimate in recycling.

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CatGirl says on May 24, 2008, 15:29:

Hmmm - well - I am glad I got a warning on this one. I will pass on this drink if ever offered.

Ironically (sorry to say) as long as person is not suffereing from a contagious disease, urine is better than saliva, as it is considered "Sterile". But if you got a bug - forget it.

Geez - I gotta quit reading this thread I'm writing some weird stuff
Doh!

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nueva york bombero says on May 24, 2008, 15:35:

Damn catgirl--- I want to party with you!!! lol
"urine is better than saliva"

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CatGirl says on May 24, 2008, 15:44:

jeje, that's why kitty has to step away from this thread....kind of unknowingly painted myself into a corner jeje

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Monpirri says on May 24, 2008, 15:50:

Gatogris Yeap, it's very interesting story how you guys have been dramatized with the fictitious idea how chicha is made in Colombia.
To compliment your story, I saw on the net, in that page where anyone can edit a story that in one country, well that’s what the story says, corn was or is processed the same way as you have described above, but since I do not consider myself any better or different from our Latin American brothers I would rather not mention the country that used prepare corn the same way you have spelled out here. Boy, the Internet could do wonders for some and it can also do the same as chicha used to do to human kind, according to the experts of that era in Colombia.

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nueva york bombero says on May 24, 2008, 15:50:

Ciao pussycat......

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tejasmarcos says on May 24, 2008, 16:18:

OMG! i'm waiting for the SCAT club to come out now!!!

trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine...

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Monpirri says on May 24, 2008, 17:13:

"I'd take chirinchi over chicha anyday..."

That's exactly what I would like to do to you! Please don't take it personally I just enjoyed you great sense of humor.

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PALEOLITICO says on May 24, 2008, 17:27:

jajaj jajaja tejas! es Santo Domigo Savio :)

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CatGirl says on May 24, 2008, 17:31:

Nitrates??? jajaja..

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PALEOLITICO says on May 24, 2008, 17:52:

Claro mompi, tus deseos son ordenes para mi :)

Aquí va esto:

Chicha es el nombre de una variedad de bebidas alcohólicas derivadas de la fermentación del maíz y otros granos originarios de América, pero también de frutas como manzanas y uvas. Son bebidas en toda América Latina desde antes de la llegada de los españoles. Por lo general es una bebida suave, de no muchos grados alcohólicos.

El termino Chicha también es utilizado en otros paises de América para referirse a una bebida a base de arroz, sin grados de alcohol, por ejemplo la Chicha Venezolana.

Usualmente la chicha se prepara mediante la fermentación del caldo concentrado del cereal usado (generalmente maíz). Esta sustancia se conserva en envases herméticos y se espera su "maduración".


CHICHA DE MAIZ MORADO
1 kilo de maíz morado
18 Litros de agua
2 Cortezas grandes de canela
3 Cucharadas de clavo de olor
1 Puñado de guindas, guindones, orejones y abridores(frutas secas)
4 Puñados de cáscaras de piña,
½ Chancaca o azúcar,
4 Limones,
½ Cucharada de canela en polvo.
Se pone a fuego un perol con el agua, con el maíz y sus corontas, las cortezas de canela, una cucharada de clavo de olor, las frutas secas y la cáscara de piña; se deja hervir hasta que reviente el maíz , después se cuela y se le echa la chancaca, el resto del clavo de olor, canela en polvo y el sumo de 3 ó 4 limones; se deja enfriar y se sirve.

CHICHA DE MAIZ BLANCO
1 Raja de canela
1 kilo de maíz blanco
1 kilo de azúcar
15 Litros de agua
1 Cucharada de clavo de olor

El maíz se pone a asolear; al día siguiente se muele y se pone a hervir en un perol con el agua, junto con la canela y el clavo de olor, se ueve con frecuencia para que no se queme, tiene que hervir cinco horas; después se cuela por un tocuyo y se deja asentar; al día siguiente se vuelve a colar y se echa en un recipiente de barro con el azúcar; se tapa y se deja fermentar por tres días. Antes de sacarla se mueve y si está muy fuerte se le echa azúcar y agua al gusto.

CHICHA DE JORA
200 Gramos de maíz blanco entero
2 Cucharadas de clavos de olor
18 Litros de agua
1 1/2 Kilo de chancaca
100 Gramos de quinua
1/2 Kilo de maíz amarillo ó 1/2 kilo de jora.

Se siembra superficialmente el maíz, el terreno debe de estar algo húmedo y cuando comienza a brotar se recoge colocándolo al sol por unas horas, después se muele, esto es lo que se llama JORA. también se puede colocar el maíz sobre costales humedecidos hasta que brote.

La jora se pone a cocinar en un perol con el agua, los clavos de olor y los demás granos; no se puede dejar de mover porque es muy fácil de quemarse, se deja hervir por 8 horas, agregándole agua cada vez que se consuma, después de esto se cuela con una tela gruesa como el lino o yute, se deja enfriar y se echa en una vasija de barro con la chancaca; se tapa y se deja fermentar ocho días. Se mueve una vez al día. Al sacarla se prueba y si le falta dulce y está muy espesa se la aumenta agua y azúcar rubia al temple que se desee. Si desea que la
fermentación sea mayor deberá dejarla más días.

Enseñame a enseñar.

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PALEOLITICO says on May 24, 2008, 17:57:

"El Festival de la Chicha, el Maíz, la Vida y la Dicha" se celebra en Bogotá,Colombia en el barrio La Perseverancia (principal sitio de producción de chicha) como una muestra de las tradiciones ancestrales de alegría e identidad.

Enseñame a enseñar.

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Lisa Zee says on May 24, 2008, 18:17:

PALEO: you forgot to say at which point you chew and spit!???

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PALEOLITICO says on May 24, 2008, 18:21:

Es que precisamente lis, esta es la "versión moderna". Tal como estaba diciendo mompirri.

Así que ya todos podemos tomar chicha tranquilos!!!! y CG también :-). No todas las chicas se preparan con babitas :-)

Enseñame a enseñar.

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CatGirl says on May 24, 2008, 18:25:

Looks like you tried to get on topic - jajaja How much can we post on this one topic - eh?

Either way, looks like we got some watersporters here, jajaja

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billyb says on May 24, 2008, 18:26:

PALEOLITICO says on May 24, 2008, 18:21: flag

No todas las CHICAS se preparan con babitas :-)


Si, pero a algunas le gustan ;))

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CatGirl says on May 24, 2008, 18:37:

jejeje..OK

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PALEOLITICO says on May 24, 2008, 18:46:

truth.speaker. mmm no creo que sea nuevo este personaje....

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CatGirl says on May 24, 2008, 19:29:

I take it this is a Mod free w/e ??- jejeje

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CatGirl says on May 24, 2008, 19:39:

Nuthin like homebrewed ... from scratch Rubito? jeje

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Robert Jorge says on May 24, 2008, 20:35:

So,: in some areas of Latin America, one could ask for Chicha, but actually would be getting jugo de chimbo?

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billyb says on May 24, 2008, 20:48:

Better take Elmo's advice and stick to chucha, jeje.

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CatGirl says on May 24, 2008, 21:02:

Truthspeak: Aren't you supposed to be defending your honor right about now? Somewhere at a Casino or something?

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CatGirl says on May 24, 2008, 21:03:

Or have you decided you let them all go ;))

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CatGirl says on May 24, 2008, 21:04:

Truthspeaker: "I perfectly know that you are a perverted and disgusting guy, Rubito. You do not have to remind it at any chance you have. Sadly, other people think that you're joking."

Truth? si o no?

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robi666 says on May 24, 2008, 21:09:

LOL

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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billyb says on May 24, 2008, 21:11:

So robi, any pictures of a dismembered tejas or mother teresa you can post?

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CatGirl says on May 24, 2008, 21:14:

Kitty is curious...jejeeje. Exactly "what" is your definition of a pervert? jejeje

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robi666 says on May 24, 2008, 21:16:

"a person whose sexual behavior is regarded as abnormal and unacceptable."

That fits Rubito, TS is right...

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CatGirl says on May 24, 2008, 21:17:

Hamster boy - LOL!

You know I have worked in an emergency room - there is Nothing I have not seen! Had one guy come in and he lost something.....thought if he put in another one it might catch up and he could get the first one out - LOL ...Not!

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CatGirl says on May 24, 2008, 21:19:

Robbi - sorry - don;t mean to be argumentative...or contrary...but that is too broad a definition. One person's kink is another's yawn. Hard to tell what you really mean.

I guess I should not ask since everyone is being so darned cryptic

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robi666 says on May 24, 2008, 21:21:

"I guess I should not ask since everyone is being so darned cryptic"

Well, I guess Rubito could answer with some example of his free sexual behavior...

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CatGirl says on May 24, 2008, 21:21:

Ok TS - well - it looks like "We" never met up with Tejas et al, jeje

Glad to know Mother Teresa would not resort to violence.

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CatGirl says on May 24, 2008, 21:23:

OK - TS - I am listening. I heard you...all is good. Amen

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robi666 says on May 24, 2008, 21:36:

I hope we can also exclude animals from your perversions Rubi :)

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CatGirl says on May 24, 2008, 21:37:

OK - so you are kept pretty busy then Rubito, jeje. That's A LOT. Think about it.

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CatGirl says on May 24, 2008, 21:38:

I almost sked that Robi, but thought it was not my place ;)

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CatGirl says on May 24, 2008, 22:16:

haha...well, Rubito Amor...Robbi did ask. I held my tongue because it was quite a list. Either way, you are not alone. I am sure you already know that too

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Robert Jorge says on May 24, 2008, 23:02:

Come on Rubi. From one pervert to another, I must say I am shocked that your into necrophilia. Drinking blood. What is that one perversion where people like to have somebody take dumps on their faces? Surely your not into all that stuff. ???

*note to self, hide the dog if Rubi visits :)

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CatGirl says on May 24, 2008, 23:24:

Yeah RJ ' that was why I said "think about it" - I can think of many more things to list than that, but Rubito pretty much only said he would not do 2 things. That also leaves open a plethera of fetishes, Sexual Magick, Geriophilia, Parophilia (sp)...just to name a few more. Enough to keep him pretty busy. But then again....I noted Rubito said he is "into" not necessarily means he has "done" it, correct?
Anyhooo.....

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CatGirl says on May 24, 2008, 23:26:

PS - I got the message RJ, jeje

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Monpirri says on May 25, 2008, 10:50:

Paleolitico, uy amecio romantica, que linda...muchas gracias corazon de melon por esas palabras tan bonitas.
Me parece que la chicha de mora o morada es oriunda de Peru, la haz probado?

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gatogris says on May 25, 2008, 11:19:

Hey whatever floats your boat, do whatever you want but do no harm. Maybe those of you who are into 'golden showers' would feel comfortable in the Bolivian highlands with all those Indians hosing away.

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webmanco says on May 25, 2008, 11:22:

cows golden showers

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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CatGirl says on May 25, 2008, 12:14:

jajaja...you guys are funny.

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CatGirl says on May 25, 2008, 12:19:

Rubito: Sorry, I don;t think it would be good for kitty to speculate. The mind is an incredible thing and you dont know what you dont know. Rubito...you dont know what I know for that matter ;)) Better you speak your truth straightforward or forever hold your peas:))

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Monpirri says on May 25, 2008, 21:17:

Paleotico, gracias por esta nota tambien, pues ahora pienso ir a visitar el festival la proxima vez que visite la ciudad.

"El Festival de la Chicha, el Maíz, la Vida y la Dicha" se celebra en Bogotá,Colombia en el barrio La Perseverancia (principal sitio de producción de chicha) como una muestra de las tradiciones ancestrales de alegría e identidad.

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Monpirri says on Jun 6, 2008, 09:37:

I just got another piece of valuable info.

"Chicha, of indigenous origin is prepared from fermented corn, and has been the traditional popular classes drink. Although displaced by beer, you may still drink it in La Perseverancia neighborhoods –where the Maíz, Chicha and Dicha (Corn, Chicha and Joy) festival takes place – and also in Egipto neighborhood."

http://english.bogotaturismo.gov.co/customs/gastronomy/

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webmanco says on Jun 7, 2008, 07:54:

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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Monpirri says on Jun 7, 2008, 14:30:

Tasting Chicha

by Pamela Jai
Chicha, an alcoholic drink made from fermented corn and pineapple. Get some carbs, vitamin C, and a buzz. Very potent and very tastey. Wine by the glass was hard to find in Colombia. Chicha was a change of pace from cerveza (beer).

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CatGirl says on Jun 7, 2008, 20:26:

How about something with Lemon, Lime and Mango?....or make it simple - Lemon Drop - ;))

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Monpirri says on Jun 8, 2008, 05:39:

I guess chicha could be enhanced with Mango as well. But it needs to be try out first to see how it would turn out.

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