Chavez wants to ban mini skirts

Alma del Norte says on Nov 13, 2007, 06:48:

"las adolescentes"

Man Tequila says on Nov 13, 2007, 06:50:

Did Colombia Mike hate mini skirts?

pues se me antoja que sus cantares son de una tierra desconocida, y yo le dije si a usted le inspira, saber la tierra de donde soy... con mucho gusto y a mucho honor...

elmodefoque says on Nov 13, 2007, 06:55:

i was a chavez guy, until now!!
has that modefoque gone insane?
I'm all for tormenting the rich modefouques but to outlaw mini skirts is foking ridiCULO!

cassini77 says on Nov 13, 2007, 06:59:

It is not the first time that fakes concerning Chavez are published on this forum.
Podborski, do you think that PBHers are sufficiently stupid to swallow all your lies ?
Do you believe seriously that a constitution speaks about miniskirts, Internet, cable ?
You have never read a constitution indeed.
Please , Podborsky, "por qué no te callas ?".

Robert Jorge says on Nov 13, 2007, 07:05:

Cass - that was a link from yahoo news, citing another legit news source. I hardly think Pod made that up and published it here. Like all dictators, Chavez is slowly (actually quite rapidly) taking one freedom at a time away from the Venezuelan people. Radio, TV, property ownership rights, business rights, and now .... the straw that broke the camel's back in Elmo's case - possibly mini-skirts.

esanch36 says on Nov 13, 2007, 07:06:

cassini your blind...

The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries

Tinto (Moderator) says on Nov 13, 2007, 07:07:

Chavez has been lamenting the state of the revolution recently. Meat, milk, sugar and eggs are hard to come by, but imported whiskey and Hummers are abundant (General Motors is shipping 3000 Hummers to Venezuela and opening new dealerships). Maybe he'd have more credibility if he didn't wear a Cartier watch and order expensive custom suits to fit his ever-increasing frame.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/30/world/americas/30venezuela.html

esanch36 says on Nov 13, 2007, 07:16:

Its funny how blind people are to what chavez is doing.

The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries

Lowell says on Nov 13, 2007, 07:26:

Not funny. Sad and dangerous!

Alfred E. Newman. "What. Me Worry?"

usher127 says on Nov 13, 2007, 07:40:

"Meat, milk, sugar and eggs are hard to come by"...
What did Chavez do this time? Did he slaughter all the cows and chickens in the middle of the night?
Come on... stop regurgitating imbred American journalism. There's more to life than popcorn!

kalder says on Nov 13, 2007, 07:44:

Mao suits all round girls!

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

christobeldawg says on Nov 13, 2007, 07:51:

no mas??

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

Tinto (Moderator) says on Nov 13, 2007, 07:55:

No, he instituted price controls and got the government involved with state stores. That leads to some or all of the following:

A. the market supplies less of an item
B. the item becomes more expensive
C. a black market develops, which can lead to more crime
D. inflation spreads to other items, even it they're not yet in short supply, because people hoard them

Chavez is not treading new ground. The Soviet Union tried and failed, Cuba tried and failed, Richard Nixon tried and failed and Argentina is trying and failing, too, with energy and beef prices.

Waterdawg says on Nov 13, 2007, 07:59:

Hey " Dawg " .. You have a phone number for those Leg's ?

christobeldawg says on Nov 13, 2007, 08:02:

Well obviously it's not a Venezuelan number. Hey, you're a dawg too. Cool.

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

Waterdawg says on Nov 13, 2007, 08:11:

Man I was born a " Dawg " way back when ... I bleed orange and Brown and did so on Sunday !

slguy says on Nov 13, 2007, 08:15:

"What did Chavez do this time? Did he slaughter all the cows and chickens in the middle of the night?
Come on... stop regurgitating imbred American journalism"

Or maybe, you should looking at El Payaso thru rose-colored glasses.

Tinto is, as usual, correct. What frankly amazes me is that anyone with any education can still have any faith in a socialist system. Without question, plenty of countries need dramatic economic change, but socialism? How many times, and on what scale, does the socialist model need to fail before folks realize it's NOT a workable economic model?

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

usher127 says on Nov 13, 2007, 08:34:

hmm... plenty of democracies have failed too. America looks to be failing quite badly right now in many respects.

Anyways, if theyre so doomed to failure, why does America try so hard to make them fail? Alot of democracies would fail if they had to endure what Cuba puts up with... which at least in some important respects has certainly not failed.

usher127 says on Nov 13, 2007, 08:36:

I dont mean to sound like a Fidel or Chavez nut, but its so tedious to hear sweeping statements about "socialism"...

fill says on Nov 13, 2007, 08:37:

LA Times Hugo Chavez's criminal paradise

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-naim10nov10,0,1470504.story?...

fill

Man Tequila says on Nov 13, 2007, 08:41:

I only swallowed some of Pod's lies. He got me with the ban on Hallowe'en. Only someone batshit insane would do that. Those liars at the BBC, espéce de Kalder tabernouche.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4391166.stm

pues se me antoja que sus cantares son de una tierra desconocida, y yo le dije si a usted le inspira, saber la tierra de donde soy... con mucho gusto y a mucho honor...

bradenmiami says on Nov 13, 2007, 08:42:

...so much for my trip to Venezuela!!!

You won't find a tourist here...

usher127 says on Nov 13, 2007, 08:47:

So, Chavez is sick and tired of American culture swamping latin american... maybe he has a point... I didnt read that he was BANNING it... just putting his opinion across.

kalder says on Nov 13, 2007, 10:34:

BBC- Imperialist lackey, bourgeoise running dog, bloodsucking Yankee propaganda etc. etc. Don't believe a word.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

kalder says on Nov 13, 2007, 10:35:

But Chavez is quite right. He should ban bloody Halloween.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

scotty says on Nov 13, 2007, 11:14:

ban mini skirts? who is this guy? he acts like the Taliban.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

morphus says on Nov 13, 2007, 11:17:

He's pond scum.

kalder says on Nov 13, 2007, 11:33:

On the subject of the Taleban. I read that, after an exhausting day murdering women and children, they like nothing better than to unwind by painting each others' nails and putting on a little make-up. Seriously.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

Cerealkiller says on Nov 13, 2007, 11:43:

Chaves makes Ahmadinejad sound liberal hahaha. So how is he going to enforce the deep cleavage restrictions? Can you imagine cops stopping women randomly "sorry madam, I need to measure that cleavage"...

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

Colombiche says on Nov 13, 2007, 12:02:

Disculpe señorita, tenemos que confiscar su culifalda.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

Desideria (Moderator) says on Nov 13, 2007, 12:06:

Uy, pero me dejan tener mi hilo dental?

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Colombiche says on Nov 13, 2007, 12:07:

Manos arriba, calzones abajo
Si no se los baja
Yo se los bajo.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

slguy says on Nov 13, 2007, 12:26:

"hmm... plenty of democracies have failed too. America looks to be failing quite badly right now in many respects."

Anyways, if theyre so doomed to failure, why does America try so hard to make them fail? "

If that wasn't so naive, it would be laughable.

American capitalism has been alive and well for well over 200 years now. "America failing quite badly"? Seems to me we are the dominant force in the world today- hands down, no contest, by any measure- economic, military, political. Do we make mistakes? No question. Are some of them whoppers? Absolutely. But is America somehow "failing"? Don't make me giggle.

Quick, now- name a socialist system that lasted more than 100 years! And the USSR lasted WELL beyond any usefulness to it's citizens.

And what makes you think we are trying to so hard to make Chavez fail? We're pumping him full of oil money - not exactly an embargo, is it?

The Cuban embargo is strictly a placation of the boisterous exile community in Miami's activism- nothing more, nothing less. The average American finds it...silly, I think. But go to a cocktail party in much of Miami and express that opinion out loud. See what those crazy bastards do. So yes, The US government is officially enforcing an embargo- but it's NOT representative of the will of the average American.

We Americans elect governments that make HUGE mistakes sometimes- but generally when that happens, the next election cycle rectifies this problem. What do you figure Brother Payaso's country can do about HIS mistakes, or the people of Cuba can do about Fidel's mistakes?

So tell me again, please, how America is failing- ESPECIALLY relative to any/all of your socialist brothers' governments.

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

cassini77 says on Nov 13, 2007, 12:58:

Slguy, I think you made an error and wanted to write:

"What frankly amazes me is that anyone with any education can still have any faith in a capitalist system. Without question, plenty of countries need dramatic economic change, but capitalism? How many times, and on what scale, does the capitalist model need to fail before folks realize it's NOT a workable economic model?"

One more time I am obliged to see that nobody answers the question: "Do you believe seriously that a constitution speaks about miniskirts, Internet, cable ?".
It is not because this is a link to Yahoo news that it is true.
There are very naive people here (if they are not naive they are swindlers).

esanch36 says on Nov 13, 2007, 13:21:

I truly capitalist system has never been tried. The proof is there. As for america failing yes that might be true but only because we are slowly heading towards a more socialist society. Its funny though because if you look at the rest of the world, its been heading putting in more capitalistic systems and have thus benifited.

=Slugy please tell me were else has a capitalistic model been tried????? a true one??? Stop saying stupid things

The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries

cassini77 says on Nov 13, 2007, 14:26:

capitalist models: USA, Iraq, Great Britain, France, germany, Netherlands, Spain, Portugal, Canada, Colombia, Venezuela, Bolivia, Peru, Brasil, Nicaragua, Chile, Russia, China, Marocco, Saudi Arabia, I.., are you blind or stupid ?

eywed says on Nov 13, 2007, 14:31:

I feel we all might get a better idea of what we are dealing with here if we all post a few pictures on the subject.

Ay Hombe!!!!!

billyb says on Nov 13, 2007, 14:35:

very good idea eywed.Now what payaso in his right mind would want to ban that? You take away the catholic school girl mini away and you cut a strippers income in half.

usher127 says on Nov 13, 2007, 14:37:

"Seems to me we are the dominant force in the world today- hands down, no contest, by any measure- economic, military, political"

Economic - granted your not doing badly... but somehow, many people still live without basic human rights in america... great combination!

Military - yes, you have accumulated too many weapons and frequently put them to bad use... over the last 100 years... arguably more than any other country... though ultimately, despite all the gear, there arent too many succussful wars that spring to mind or ones that were worth fighting...

Political - is that a joke? I dont know where to begin, how is american politics anything to admire.. its money... its the same families again and again... its content is watered down for the tv audience, its meaningless... you can relect another government as many times as you like...

Culture - how many people here left the US for Colombia because theyre sick of the rat race... of living in a society where the only value is 'having it all'... thanks to american culture we've gone from 'one love/one peace' to 'don't you wish your girlfriend was hot like me'...

billyb says on Nov 13, 2007, 14:41:

you are 100% right Usher, there was never any war in the world before the US, it was all peace and love, and it was all led by the always peaceful Europe.

eywed says on Nov 13, 2007, 14:48:

I getting a better picture of the sistution and I'm thinking chavez is an idiot.

Ay Hombe!!!!!

billyb says on Nov 13, 2007, 14:49:

Keep it up eywed, we need to sort this issue out.

eywed says on Nov 13, 2007, 14:58:

Ok but this is the last one or I might have to get a handle on myself.

Ay Hombe!!!!!

billyb says on Nov 13, 2007, 15:15:

This might make us pause and get a grip of ourselves.

Man Tequila says on Nov 13, 2007, 15:26:

Maybe a few more pictures would grab my attention?

pues se me antoja que sus cantares son de una tierra desconocida, y yo le dije si a usted le inspira, saber la tierra de donde soy... con mucho gusto y a mucho honor...

eywed says on Nov 13, 2007, 15:31:

ok but im going to have to be alone for a few after this.



Better get me a Cigarette boyz!!!!!!!!

Ay Hombe!!!!!

eywed says on Nov 13, 2007, 15:33:

I hope peter or his pbh police dont Chavez my pictures.

Ay Hombe!!!!!

billyb says on Nov 13, 2007, 15:38:

I think they're bothering Cassini though.

Man Tequila says on Nov 13, 2007, 15:40:

That grabs my attention! I sure feel bad for being naive, and a swindler.

pues se me antoja que sus cantares son de una tierra desconocida, y yo le dije si a usted le inspira, saber la tierra de donde soy... con mucho gusto y a mucho honor...

eywed says on Nov 13, 2007, 15:42:

You could be right, think he is much fun?

Ay Hombe!!!!!

eywed says on Nov 13, 2007, 15:43:

Shut up , Who cares , I got pictures to look at.Geeeeezzzz

Ay Hombe!!!!!

Man Tequila says on Nov 13, 2007, 15:45:

I would be naive to think so. PSSSSST. Wanna buy an S? Shhhhhhhhh.

pues se me antoja que sus cantares son de una tierra desconocida, y yo le dije si a usted le inspira, saber la tierra de donde soy... con mucho gusto y a mucho honor...

slguy says on Nov 13, 2007, 15:56:

Just out of curiosity, Usher - I wonder how many americans live in Colombia, vs. how many Colombians live in the US? You REALLY think this is a category that supports your position????

Success is a pretty easy thing to shoot at, if you are looking for targets. But none of your arguments addressed my points.

Economic. Even you can't argue this one - except for your human rights crapola, which has nothing to do with economic might, even IF your premise was correct.

Military power? More crapola. Find an army, anywhere on earth, that wants the US pissed with them- except for our Islamic brothers and their 57 virgins waiting for them in eternity.

Political? Yep. we have our warts. Without question. But show me a place any larger than an isolated island that guarantees our basics- freedom of the press, freedom of speech, right to peacefully assemble (ummm....your heroes Chavez and Fidel leave a little to be desired on these fronts, don't they?), and on and on, and I'll admit that my arguments hold little water. The problem for you is- no such place exists.

The US is a vast, argumentative, sometimes fragmented society. There are without question, terrible injustices present in our society. But there's a reason we have so many people waiting in line to have a crack at the "American Dream".

There is no such place as Utopia - never has been, never will be. And anyone who believes that tyrannical socialist societies are the answer have either never lived in one, or are completely devoid of faith in humanity.

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

billyb says on Nov 13, 2007, 15:58:

slguy, it was 72 virgins last time I looked at their benefits "package" :))

Man Tequila says on Nov 13, 2007, 16:10:

Seventy-two, eh?

Hmm...

6+6+6+6+6+6+6+6+6+6+6+6 = 72

pues se me antoja que sus cantares son de una tierra desconocida, y yo le dije si a usted le inspira, saber la tierra de donde soy... con mucho gusto y a mucho honor...

cali373 says on Nov 13, 2007, 16:17:

He is starting to sound like the Right wing Christian fundamentalists in the USA.

Smile if you are a thinker!

eywed says on Nov 13, 2007, 16:19:

Are said virgins allowed to wear mini skirts? Staying on topic!

Ay Hombe!!!!!

Man Tequila says on Nov 13, 2007, 16:20:

Thank you for keeping us focused, eywed.

pues se me antoja que sus cantares son de una tierra desconocida, y yo le dije si a usted le inspira, saber la tierra de donde soy... con mucho gusto y a mucho honor...

cali373 says on Nov 13, 2007, 16:27:

what does this have to do with Colombia?

Smile if you are a thinker!

eywed says on Nov 13, 2007, 16:30:

Their Colombian mini skirts? yea that's it.

Ay Hombe!!!!!

Robert Jorge says on Nov 13, 2007, 18:14:

I am confused. Mini-skirts are a US influence? I sure don't see 'em here in the States like I see 'em in Villavicencio. And I thought mini-skirts were British and/or French in origin anyway.

billyb says on Nov 13, 2007, 18:34:

I thought they were a Roman innovation improved upon by Colombia.

christobeldawg says on Nov 13, 2007, 18:46:

.

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

podborski says on Nov 13, 2007, 19:31:

Yes that evil Disney influence must be stopped, what Venezuela needs is more home grown figures like these Chavez supporters to emulate:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7084262.stm

usher127 says on Nov 13, 2007, 20:00:

slguy... we must be boring everyone... we are the only ones left arguing...

Yep, loads of people have fled to the US in such of the big shiny American dream... I dont doubt it.

Anyway, we seem to be arguing for different things... all your points don't interest me...

I already acknowledged your economic might. Let's not forget that the US was terrified by the potential economic might of the USSR. But, who cares about economic might? Will you go to China in the next few years? My question was really about what you get as a result. It's a bit like saying Medellin has been transformed just because we've got some money to erect nice apartments and offices in Poblado... its just a small bubble that doesnt benefit the majority, so in some ways, who cares.

"Find an army, anywhere on earth, that wants the US pissed with them"... This is not a good way to speak considering recent history. But, again, so what? How does that benefit you as an American? Why don't you question why your government just spent 1.5 trillion on a weird war? Imagine what a less power hungry 'regime' might have done with those resources... something with positive 'social' consequences, heaven forbid no

Freedom of speech... well, technically it exists in 'democratic' countries, but the irony is, particularly in America, that governments just end up spending billions on advertising to ensure a certain mainstream way of thinking... again more money down the drain.

Anyways, its kind of ridiculous to argue capitalism vs. 'socialism' as they are both extreme cases and each case is a little different. But, I do think there is a case for saying 'the dury is still out' and let different political ideas mature and see what happens... but for some reason American has never been able to do that.

billyb says on Nov 13, 2007, 20:13:

Let's get back to discussing The Great Satan, the Mini. I agree with Cassini, Chavez is right to ban such evil influences.

christobeldawg says on Nov 13, 2007, 20:21:

The Great Satan, es verdad:

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

pedro says on Nov 13, 2007, 20:38:

Oh, I just read the article.

Santa Claus's chances of a Venezuelan visa aren't looking good this year. On December 24, the Venezuelan air force moves to DEFCON 3.

¡save pow wow!

billyb says on Nov 13, 2007, 20:39:

They look evil to me.

pedro says on Nov 13, 2007, 20:41:

I wonder when Simon will show up? Chavez is talking about banning foreign stuff.

Fascism, it's a beautiful thing. Simon must be getting a hard on just thinking about it, and I'm not talking about the miniskirts. Really Simon, you would love that country.

Que viva la revolucion.

Next policy. Ban all musical instruments except the pan pipes.

¡save pow wow!

christobeldawg says on Nov 13, 2007, 21:12:

Any chance we could talk Chavez into limiting the ban to women over 50?

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

christobeldawg says on Nov 13, 2007, 21:41:

Is he also taking out camel toe jeans? That may lead to war.

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

Dolfi says on Nov 14, 2007, 00:58:

As far as I see Yahoo has taken this information from an argentinian paper which publishes it without giving any sources for these alleged plans of Chavez. Could it be a commentary of the editor?

There´s nothing to be found in any serious media about banning mini skirts in a constitution. The whole idea seems ridicilous to me. Sounds very much like anti Chavez propaganda.

podborski says on Nov 14, 2007, 02:00:

so Dolfi you would agree that if it is true, it's ridiculous, right?

esanch36 says on Nov 14, 2007, 06:10:

Iraq, Great Britain, France, germany, Netherlands, Spain, Portugal, Canada, Colombia, Venezuela, Bolivia, Peru, Brasil, Nicaragua, Chile, Russia, China, Marocco, Saudi Arabia,

cassini you are on crack..hahha

Iraq, Russia, Saudia arabia????? you have to be kidding me...

The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries

john_stark says on Nov 14, 2007, 06:21:

The gringos and Chavez - it's a match made in heaven. All this whining and weeping and wailing about what a bad bad man he is. And the whole time we're shoveling money at him as fast as we can. Same for our other bogeyman in Iran. We can't make him rich fast enough either.

morphus says on Nov 14, 2007, 06:23:

Exactly!

Desideria (Moderator) says on Nov 14, 2007, 07:13:

"Any chance we could talk Chavez into limiting the ban to women over 50?" (Christobel)



Legs is the only part of female body that never age...miniskirts look good on older women, look at Tina Turner!

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

morphus says on Nov 14, 2007, 07:20:

Not too many Tina Turner's out there.

christobeldawg says on Nov 14, 2007, 09:26:

It was 2 am when I said that Desi, and I went to bed thinking I shouldn't have said it. You're right.

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

Desideria (Moderator) says on Nov 14, 2007, 10:04:

:)
I've been known to say the weirdest things at 2 a.m too....

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

christobeldawg says on Nov 14, 2007, 10:46:

thanks for turning the other cheek, so to speak, amiga nueva.

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

Desideria (Moderator) says on Nov 14, 2007, 11:04:

no worries, I got thicker skin than that, amigo nuevo :)

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

cassini77 says on Nov 14, 2007, 12:59:

Esanch36, Russia is no more a socialist country, did'nt you know?
Saudia Arabia is THE model of capitalism .

Robert Jorge says on Nov 14, 2007, 15:30:

Suadia Arabia (sic) is "the model of capitalism?" Hmmmm, no, not really. There is plenty of capitalism going on - but I would feel safe calling Saudi a theocracy. Sure, it is OK to have a profit motive and gain wealth in Saudi - but you have to be male, follow that wasabi (ha ha) doctrine, and the country is ruled by a King and his family. I could think of much better examples of capitalism.

slguy says on Nov 14, 2007, 16:38:

RJ! Shhhhhhhh! You haven't noticed how little reality passes through a socialist's mind? I just noticed, myself. They prefer making everything about "oligarchs vs. The People". If you like 60's flashbacks, socialism is the place to be, I think.

Don't poke the monsters, man! ;) No matter HOW much fun it is! jajajajajjajaja

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

podborski says on Nov 14, 2007, 17:40:

there's no point arguing with these people, they can go visit Cuba and still come back believers, they are in denial.

it is fun to listen to some of their wacky ideas though, reminds me of my days in uni, debating guys who claimed the berlin wall was built to keep the west out, jajajajaja!

la campiña says on Nov 14, 2007, 17:45:

ban mini skirts, its a scam he wants to see the reaction on the streets when all react by wearing REALY short supermini skirts, he's not stupid

slguy says on Nov 14, 2007, 18:03:

Having spent a fair amount of time in Caracas, I'm comfortable saying this- if El Payaso really does any such silly thing about Venezolanas and miniskirts, he has committed a true crime against humanity! ;)

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

billyb says on Nov 14, 2007, 18:05:

I like Camps' theory best.

christobeldawg says on Nov 14, 2007, 19:59:

I call for a full blown protest. The girls there should wear the shortest micro mini's possible. That will make Chavez think twice, and will certainly change BillyB's and my travel plans. Who thought we would be going to Venezuela? That would definitely call for an unexpected ROAD TRIP, for journalistic purposes only, of course.

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

billyb says on Nov 14, 2007, 20:11:

Caracas here I come.

christobeldawg says on Nov 14, 2007, 20:18:

I always think that I should not make silly remarks on serious threads but with the title of this thread, come on, there was no way to keep us out Billyb.

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

manINred says on Nov 14, 2007, 20:19:

He also wants to ban Spanish kings

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7094148.stm

christobeldawg says on Nov 14, 2007, 20:23:

For some reason, that doesn't bother me nearly as much. BillyB?

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

Colombiche says on Nov 14, 2007, 20:27:

I hope Chavez does NOT ban the Mr. Venezuela pageant.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

webmanco says on Nov 14, 2007, 20:30:

It was heard that Chavez wanted to ban Vallenatos

http://www.venelogia.com/archivos/1725/

But, I'm going to start making some assumptions here.... Which means I might actually end up making an ass out of myself ..........Thu 04 17, 2008 11:34 am

Colombiche says on Nov 14, 2007, 20:32:

Is he banning Juanes too? What are the boys in the tight shorts going to sing now?

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

la campiña says on Nov 14, 2007, 20:37:

I'M off to Caracas with an industrial mirror glued to the top of my shoe, facing upwards of course, might have problems at the frontier but Im sure I can blag it, its worked before.

la campiña says on Nov 14, 2007, 20:46:

OH YEAAAAAAAAAAAA got it, ban them all, the long the short and the tall, extradite the lot, I'll mail you later with my personal stuff

Dolfi says on Nov 15, 2007, 00:36:

Still no evidence for this alleged ban in Venezuela apart from that one notice in an argentinain paper. As far as I know it is a generally accepted principle of discussion, that anybody putting forth a proposition (with a claim to truth) has to provide evidence for it.

One should disregard the whole sutff as it is not worth any discussion. It is revealing though how much americans take anything for true that fits into their ideological scheme of things. We now that e.g. from tha WMDs in Iraq.

cassini77 says on Nov 15, 2007, 01:22:

I agree with Dolfi.

eywed says on Nov 15, 2007, 02:18:

Gave us an excuse to post some nice pictures but some im sure are offended.

Ay Hombe!!!!!

slguy says on Nov 15, 2007, 06:24:

man, you socialist types have ZERO sense of humor. it must be difficult, always searching for ways us imperialists keep the masses downtrodden.

Do you guys honestly believe we give a rat's ass about this flakey bit of entertaining "news"? it's an excuse to have some fun with you serious socialists, nothing more, nothing less.

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

billyb says on Nov 15, 2007, 06:32:

slguy, you are so right, i think they have to have a humor bypass to join the socialist party.

elmodefoque says on Nov 15, 2007, 06:36:

chavez has really gone off his rockers with this one

elmodefoque says on Nov 15, 2007, 06:38:

you guys wanna see mini skirts smaller than the broads above, go to LISTO POLLO on 37th ave Queens

billyb says on Nov 15, 2007, 06:40:

Elmo, maybe you should go there for lunch today and get us some visual aids.

elmodefoque says on Nov 15, 2007, 06:43:

that chit is far, i'm in mid town manhattan.
dude, that chit is nice, all them thar colombianitas with their breast almost all out and with nano skirts.

elmodefoque says on Nov 15, 2007, 06:49:

how about we have a NY PBH meeting in that joint, LISTO POLLO
last time there i intentionally dropped my spoon on the floor and waited for the waitres to bend over to pick it up, I SAW BUSH
My eyes nearly popped outta my head

billyb says on Nov 15, 2007, 06:50:

It might be far Elmo, but you would be doing a great kindness for you fellow PBHrs.

LA_MONA says on Nov 15, 2007, 06:51:

Colombiche thanks for that video esos patones estan buenisimos ;-)

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

elmodefoque says on Nov 15, 2007, 06:53:

billy, let me think about it. I'll take the Morph with me he aint got no shame. I bet he wont think twice about taking a close up of the gril when she bends over.
Maybe will come back with a picture of BUSH

billyb says on Nov 15, 2007, 06:53:

Hey Mona and Colombiche, no highjacking this thread with that gay shit ;)

LA_MONA says on Nov 15, 2007, 06:57:

Jaja look Billy hagamos una cosa, you stick to listo pollo o whatever hell it's called, and we'll ogle the patones, estamos?

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

billyb says on Nov 15, 2007, 07:07:

A little upskirt would be nice, jeje.

LA_MONA says on Nov 15, 2007, 07:08:

I'm sure there'll be plenty of all that stuff in NorCal, no?

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

billyb says on Nov 15, 2007, 07:11:

Yes, but diversity is nice and you can never get enough.

morphus says on Nov 15, 2007, 07:21:

Listo Pollo is better than a strip club. Lets go! I'll bring my secret shoe camera.

LA_MONA says on Nov 15, 2007, 07:22:

"you can never get enough" cuidado billy, you're beginning to sound like morph and elmo ;-)

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

elmodefoque says on Nov 15, 2007, 07:30:

you, see!! i was not talking chit, it is better than a strip club and the food is good and cheap.
hey, morph bring your shoe camera and lets invite bomero too just in case it gets too hot in there

kalder says on Nov 15, 2007, 07:37:

What was your President doing there?

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

slguy says on Nov 15, 2007, 07:50:

Looking for a trim, maybe.

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

kalder says on Nov 15, 2007, 07:58:

A trim what?

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

morphus says on Nov 15, 2007, 07:59:

Bush?

kalder says on Nov 15, 2007, 08:18:

Ah, that'd be it...I expect the First Lady's generation didn't go in for that sort of thing.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

elmodefoque says on Nov 15, 2007, 08:20:

some of the girls at listo pollo have blonde hair but brunette bush. what the fok is that about?

kalder says on Nov 15, 2007, 08:27:

Laziness I should imagine.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

slguy says on Nov 15, 2007, 09:07:

jajajajajjajajajaj

Kalder, now THAT was funny!

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

kalder says on Nov 15, 2007, 12:26:

Oh thanks.

You're going on the 'Friends' list for that.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

slguy says on Nov 15, 2007, 12:29:

Except for you socialists, who refuse to believe any print media that doesn't include "Power to the People" in their masthead......here's an interesting article just up in the Miami Herald's online edition.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/breaking_news/story/309076.html

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

Man Tequila says on Nov 15, 2007, 12:50:

If the "curtains" do not match the "drapes", one could always dye "the hair down there".

pues se me antoja que sus cantares son de una tierra desconocida, y yo le dije si a usted le inspira, saber la tierra de donde soy... con mucho gusto y a mucho honor...

Colombiche says on Nov 15, 2007, 13:01:

Can't believe there are chicks out there that take the time to do this lol.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

Man Tequila says on Nov 15, 2007, 13:05:

You would have to be pretty anal. Seems odd to me. Talk about high maintenance.

pues se me antoja que sus cantares son de una tierra desconocida, y yo le dije si a usted le inspira, saber la tierra de donde soy... con mucho gusto y a mucho honor...

podborski says on Nov 15, 2007, 13:25:

yeah but if more women knew that elmo and morphus were rolling around on the floor trying to look up their skirts, they might be tempted to go the extra mile no?

billyb says on Nov 15, 2007, 15:14:

If we have a secret santa on PBH, whoever gets Elmo or Morph knows that patent leather shoes are always appreciated.

usher127 says on Nov 15, 2007, 16:53:

"so Dolfi you would agree that if it is true, it's ridiculous, right?"

Hmm, the 'capitalists' seem to be changing their tune... now its just a joke... glad you came to your senses!

pedro says on Nov 15, 2007, 17:00:

Billy, Secret Santa is going to be banned in Venezuela too.

Secret Raton Perez is OK though.

¡save pow wow!

podborski says on Nov 15, 2007, 20:57:

usher,

maybe you need to read my comment again, but more s l o w l y

usher127 says on Nov 16, 2007, 07:53:

so you still think that Chavez wants to ban miniskirts or now you claim it was a joke all along?

I got the impression you thought it was true... but slowly the tone changed and now you realise its ridiculous, like alot of Chavez propaganda.

billyb says on Nov 16, 2007, 07:59:

Usher, we are all in a tizzy, because we are seriously concerned about what Chavez does about the mini.

podborski says on Nov 16, 2007, 08:25:

since Chavez has not met with me personally to tell me that it is or is not his intention to ban mini
skirts, I can't say it's 100% true.

the point is, I want to know if you or dolfi will agree or not that IF it's true, it's ridiculous?

Is that so hard?

Since you don't seem to get it, the point is, once proven true (or not) then you won't be able to pull the usual trick of changing your story, "oh it's just protecting venezuelan culture", you know, that kind of nonsense.

usher127 says on Nov 16, 2007, 08:43:

of course its ridiculous... and I don't believe it. Do you really need to meet with Chavez to form an opinion... seems like your confused. Do YOU think its true?

slguy says on Nov 16, 2007, 09:47:

Pod, Pod......I thought you knew better. jajajajajajajjajaja

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

usher127 says on Nov 16, 2007, 09:58:

ok, so some people were joking and some people thought it was true or were undecided, which is the same thing.

Clearly, its not true. Clearly, if it was true, it would be ridiculous. But, this is a genuine problem for Chavez and people like him... the likes of Fox news talk shit... and lots of people take it in. Sigh.

Cerealkiller says on Nov 16, 2007, 12:00:

Oh man I want one of those hot pink dyes...Can you imagine? Bf would die laughing but chances are I would end up not getting lucky...do you guys think its too psychadelic?

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

slguy says on Nov 16, 2007, 12:02:

"Clearly, its not true"

How exactly do you know this? While I doubt the story's truth- your hero is just as clearly a low class, narcissitic blowhard, who possesses all the class of a stray dog. His game is to provoke other heads of state, so he can play games with their reactions.

His reaction to be told to shut his pie hole? Venezuela was insulted. But he stands on the podium at the UN, and jokes about smelling sulfur after Bush left? What a lowclass, childish embarrassment for the people of Venezuela.

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

eywed says on Nov 16, 2007, 13:37:

Help me out guys I'm confused here, Is this what Chavez wants to ban?
**DELETED**

Ay Hombe!!!!!

Man Tequila says on Nov 16, 2007, 14:07:

Man, looks like "Mr. Tickle" is turning into a misnomer. ;)

Kidding!

pues se me antoja que sus cantares son de una tierra desconocida, y yo le dije si a usted le inspira, saber la tierra de donde soy... con mucho gusto y a mucho honor...

billyb says on Nov 16, 2007, 14:56:

slguy, I resent that comparison, where do you get off insulting all stray dogs like that?

Man Tequila says on Nov 16, 2007, 15:08:

Yeah, especially those poker playing ones.

pues se me antoja que sus cantares son de una tierra desconocida, y yo le dije si a usted le inspira, saber la tierra de donde soy... con mucho gusto y a mucho honor...

usher127 says on Nov 16, 2007, 16:22:

Agreed. He has been acting like a baby since being told to shut up. But, the sulfur comment was pure class and spot on.

la campiña says on Nov 16, 2007, 17:06:

oh wow I've just got back from chipichape in north cali a massive shopping mall, and oh my life darlings I've spent a fortune on microminis just to spite that scounderal, but I dont know where to put my tackle

billyb says on Nov 16, 2007, 17:08:

Just hand them out to needy (and leggy) ladies;)

slguy says on Nov 16, 2007, 17:09:

Pure class? jajajajajajajaja

Where exactly did you receive your instruction in manners?

Here's a news flash for you- it is possible to disagree with a person, without resorting to childish gutter talk- that is assuming one knows the difference in class and the gutter. Apparently, your hero never learned the difference...nor did you, if you think that sort of thing is "pure class".

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

billyb says on Nov 16, 2007, 17:14:

Such a classy statement, that the rest of the world, which has no love lost for Bush, decided that he wasn't classy enough to entrust Venezuela with one of the two security council seats for SA after he made it. Perhaps Usher thinks Pol Pot was a classy fellow as well.

usher127 says on Nov 16, 2007, 18:20:

First of all he's not my hero... any more than Bush is yours (or perhaps he is). But, its a relief to finally see a powerful politician stand up to Bush... who may as well be the devil.

Anyway, maybe manners are overated... love or hate Chavez's personaity... it has little to do with his policies which are surely the point. And let's face it, at least he's got the brains to write his own speeches. Maybe you prefer pantomime politics with a little puppet who says all the right things while grinning at the camera... before slaugthering a few more thousand innocent people in the name of 'freedom'.. 'democracy'... 'freedom'...

billyb says on Nov 16, 2007, 18:30:

"Anyway, maybe manners are overated"

Actually no. Bad manners tend to cause people to dismiss somebody, even if they agree with their point.

usher127 says on Nov 16, 2007, 18:59:

true... I guess he just gets too exited... bless him

slguy says on Nov 16, 2007, 21:46:

If the copies of his speeches that I've read are any indications, he could use a good speechwriter or two. The man's barely intelligible, much less articulate. But I guess he does a good job of appealing to the lowest common denominator...

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

christobeldawg says on Nov 16, 2007, 22:03:

with all of that oil wealth, all mini skirt ban jokes aside, he does seem to present some danger, some instability to the overall region

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

podborski says on Nov 17, 2007, 03:34:

now you hit the nail on the head slguy! jaja

"But I guess he does a good job of appealing to the lowest common denominator..."

usher127 says on Nov 17, 2007, 07:39:

what? are you refering to poor people? Yes, theyre not important... youre right

podborski says on Nov 17, 2007, 07:45:

apparently you equate being poor with being 'the lowest common denominator', I don't, especially since I grew up poor.

I equate it to lacking intelligence and the ability or effort to think for your self, and that malady affects rich and poor alike, and seems more common among the rich IMHO.

slguy says on Nov 17, 2007, 08:55:

As usual, Pod's exactly correct.

My comment had nada to do with economics.

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

usher127 says on Nov 17, 2007, 12:50:

is it an american thing to keep quoting your buddy when arguing?

Anyway, lets be honest, poor people dont have the same access to education... which is why i interpreted your comments as i did. Regardless, no question, chavez appeals to the poor... not to the rich or even to the 'stupid' rich.

podborski says on Nov 17, 2007, 15:26:

it's true the poor don't have access to education, which is why I don't really blame them for supporting Chavez or Castro.

And there might not be many rich in Venezuela that support Chavez, but there are certainly lots in th USA and I'll bet many, many more in europe. These are the highly educated people that listened to their marxist professors blathering on about evils of capitalism, and actually accepted it without every thinking it through for themselves.

Anyway, the point is, to me the lowest common denominator is the thug who wants to force people to do things his way, has nothing to do with wealth or lack of it, but I suppose more poor people resort to violence to get their way than do rich people?.

Seems to me those are the folks that support Chavez, along with the intellectual lefties of course (who are just thugs of a different kind, in my opinion)

usher127 says on Nov 17, 2007, 15:58:

I had no idea there were that many rich people in the US that supported Chavez.

So, now you are suggesting Chavez uses violence to get his way? Chavez has won his elections fair and square. People just cant handle that fact.

There was a lot of uproar about Chavez running for a third term, that is, until Uribe suggested he might do the same. Now, it doesnt seem to be a problem. The uproarers should also observe that in England you can serve as many terms as you like. We had to put up with Tony Blair for 10 years.

podborski says on Nov 17, 2007, 20:01:

I keep making the mistake of assuming that people who argue in favour of socialism understand what it means.

Are you aware that socialist economies are centrally planned (the defining characteristic of socialist eonomics in fact) and capitalist economies allow individual freedom in economic choices?

(and no, of course there are no 'perfectly' socialist nor capitalist economies, as if that makes any difference)

So if you think about that for more than 2 seconds, you should understand that central planning necessitates the use of force to make people act in the way the state wants them to.

I don't really know how much physical force/violence Chavez has used so far, but I'd say it's nothing compared to what he will use in future.

Ask some big oil companies if they gave up ownership of their companies willingly.

Oh, but big oil companies are evil right?

And I am really wasting my time, should have listened to my own advice huh slguy?

christobeldawg says on Nov 17, 2007, 20:05:

so since it was a joke about banning mini skirts, and then therefore I understand the socialist Chavez has total control, I think he could require that all women with great legs should wear mini skirts.

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

billyb says on Nov 17, 2007, 22:02:

I think I'm going to have to repeat my primer on economic models.

Socialism: you have two cows and the state takes one.

Communism: you have two cows and the state takes both of them and gives you some milk (supposedly)

Facism: you have two cows and the state takes both and shoots you.

Capitalism: you have two cows, you sell one and buy a bull.

christobeldawg says on Nov 17, 2007, 22:11:

Socialism: you have 2 mini skirts and the state takes one

Communism: you have 2 minis and the state takes both of them and lets you look up their skirt

Fascism: you have 2 you know what's and the state takes both and shoots you

Capitalism: you have 2 micro mini's, you sell one and buy a camel toe

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

billyb says on Nov 17, 2007, 22:25:

Dawg, I see you are an economist at heart. you take to it like a fish to water, jaja.

christobeldawg says on Nov 17, 2007, 22:31:

with no Mona to correct me, look out, I may become a moph of Rubito\Elmodefoque.

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

Desideria (Moderator) says on Nov 18, 2007, 02:29:

I can keep an eye on you, Christo

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

podborski says on Nov 18, 2007, 05:03:

ah billyb, that's much more succint than my explanation!

christobel: A morph of rubito and elmo? Now that sounds frightening

usher127 says on Nov 18, 2007, 09:49:

This argument is going no-where... because as with anything it all depends who you are and where you are. For example, I would rather be born into poverty in Cuba than in say, democratric Jamaica. Those big american hotels that dominate the nice coastal areas might offer me a job mopping the floor, but i'm still fucked when it comes to getting health care, giving education to my kids and guarenteeing some food on the table.

podborski says on Nov 19, 2007, 01:11:

it's pretty hard to have a real debate on the internet, to make a good argument means typing for hours, and if you try to edit things you get misunderstood.

I don't know Jamaica, but imagine it's not a very nice place to be, especially if you are poor. But why limit the choice to Jamaica? If wealth is the answer why on earth don't people follow the example of the wealthiest nation on earth?

That's what I don't get.

(and if you really believe that there is good free health care in Cuba, I'd guess that you haven't been there. The best health care there is reserved for people paying in USD, or CP members only. You can barely find a tylenol otherwise.)

usher127 says on Nov 19, 2007, 06:48:

I gave Jamaica as an example because it is of similar size and presumably, has similar natural resources, etc. to Cuba. Many countries follow the example of the US, but it doesnt necesarily work for them. One might argue that these countries need a few years of 'socialism' (not communism) to steady the ship... because theyre problems are so grave. In other words, guarentee health care, security, education, food, etc... and after that.. people can do what they want. The US system is survival of the fittest... which is strange given that so many people are religious in your country.

Basically, if your're comfortable with the notion that some people (or many in the case of most latin countries) will live a humiliating life, just so we can optimise our economic environment for big companies and big rich families, then that's fine. But, from an impartial perspective... if you were born again... you would probably not make it into the top 10% as you have this time.

Yes, I have been to Cuba... of course, I found people who were not happy about things... and the same can be said of most Colombians, Jamaicans, etc. I noticed some absurd rules in place that were ridiculous, butI could also walk anywhere at 4am without a problem... try saying that about most other cities in the world.

Remember, how was Cuba pre-Fidel? It was a very tough place for the average Cuban... yes, they were free... free to starve.... free to not get an education... free to mop the floor for all the gringo holiday makers... and I suppose they were free to leave their country... just as the mexicans are free right now to run across the border and look for some humiliating work.

If only the US would stop the trade embargo, we would be able to see the true potential of Cuba. You can say that it only does this because of the strong Cuban presence in Miami. So, he