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Chavez: Colombia Hostages May Be Freed

Basically, in order for FARC to free the hostages we have to allow Chávez, the same Chávez who has screamed his lungs out about "soberanía" several times in the past (often with some amount of reason, admittedly), to send helicopters and airplanes into Colombian territory.

Why can't FARC take them to Venezuela, I wonder? Perhaps they aren't exactly in the best position to do so...?

In any case, if it were up to me, I would allow this operation to take place, but with some sort of restrictions.
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December 26. 2007 11:08AM

The Associated Press

Chavez: Colombia Hostages May Be Freed

President Hugo Chavez said Wednesday that he hopes three hostages will be freed by Colombian rebels within hours, and that Venezuela has planes and helicopters ready to retrieve them.

"The only thing we need is the authorization of the Colombian government," Chavez said at a news conference in the presidential palace. "We are ready to activate the humanitarian operation."

Chavez said he hoped it would be completed "in the coming hours."

If the Colombian government agrees, Chavez said, he hoped the three hostages could be freed by the end of the day - including former congresswoman Consuelo Gonzalez, Clara Rojas - an aide to former Colombian presidential candidate Ingrid Betancourt - and Rojas' young son, Emmanuel, reportedly born of a relationship with a guerrilla fighter.

Chavez said that Venezuelan planes and helicopters - some already marked with Red Cross insignia - are ready to fly into Colombia to pick up the hostages freed by the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC.

Chavez said he hopes another group of hostages would later be freed, including Betancourt, a French-Colombian citizen.

http://www.houmatoday.com/article/20071226/API/712260624

By juancegomez on Dec 26, 2007, 09:27 in Politics & the war. AddThis Social Bookmark Button


billyb says on Dec 26, 2007, 09:33:

If they are under Red Cross control, I agree. But they should be thoroughly searched when they refuel in Colombia to make sure Chavez is not using this as a way to transfer weapons to his buddies.

morphus says on Dec 26, 2007, 10:58:

Free from Bogeyland...lets hope!

miamimike says on Dec 26, 2007, 11:24:

Morphus--My thoughts also! Free at last! Imagine after so many years in captivity, it will be strange for them to experience a day without leg&Neck Chains !!

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? ... That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.,

miamimike says on Dec 26, 2007, 11:32:

The Colombian rebel group, Farc, has said it will free two hostages and a child but only to Mr Chavez.

Mr Chavez's mediation broke down last month when Colombian President Alvaro Uribe told him to end negotiations.

The left-wing Farc has been fighting the government for more than four decades and holds dozens of hostages.

Mr Chavez told reporters in the Venezuelan capital, Caracas: "The only thing we need is authorisation from the Colombian government. We hope they will cooperate with us."

The rebels have offered to free Clara Rojas, a former presidential candidate's aide captured in 2002, and her young son Emmanuel, who was reportedly fathered by one of her guerrilla captors.

The other hostage is former congresswoman Consuelo Gonzalez, who was kidnapped in 2001.

The Farc (Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia) hold 46 hostages whom they want to exchange for hundreds of imprisoned guerrillas.

The BBC's Jeremy McDermott in Colombia says the rebels have got what they wanted by embarrassing their sworn enemy, Alvaro Uribe.

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? ... That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.,

morphus says on Dec 26, 2007, 11:36:

Hopefully, everybody will put their egos aside and let this happen.

catherine b says on Dec 26, 2007, 14:16:

President Uribe already gave Venezuela the green light. There had better not be any more excuses. I still can't get over how Chavez, Cordoba and farc have milked this tragedy for their own political purposes. Let's all hope for the best.

miamimike says on Dec 26, 2007, 15:53:

"President Uribe already gave Venezuela the green light"
===================================================================

Link Please,,,

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? ... That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.,

Rikito says on Dec 26, 2007, 15:58:

I hate to be a pessimist and I hope I am wrong, but the Opera ain't over till the fat lady sings!

It is not life that matters, but the journey.

robi666 says on Dec 26, 2007, 16:02:

http://www.eltiempo.com/conflicto/noticias/ARTICULO-WEB-NOTA_INTERIOR-...

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

catherine b says on Dec 26, 2007, 16:03:

Hey Miamimike, it's all over google news and tv, but here's one link:
http://www.caracol.com.co/noticias/525061.asp

cassini77 says on Dec 26, 2007, 16:04:

Todo estaría listo para la liberación de Clara, Consuelo y Emmanuel

Elpais.com.co/Colprensa

# Gobierno da vía libre a propuesta del Gobierno Chávez.

# El delegado designado por el gobierno colombiano es el comisionado para la paz, Luis Carlos Restrepo.

# "Si la operación comenzara mañana por la mañana, Dios mediante, antes que se oculte el sol ellos estarían acá y podrían recibir el 2008 en libertad": Presidente Chávez.


Comunicado de Gobierno leído por el canciller Fernando Araújo.

"Luz verde" dio el Gobierno colombiano a la propuesta hecha por el presidente de Venezuela, Hugo Chávez, la cual regresaría a la libertad a Clara Rojas, su hijo Emmanuel y la ex congresista Consuelo González, y delegó al comisionado de paz, Luis Carlos Restrepo, para que participe en la operación.

El anuncio estuvo a cargo del canciller, Fernando Araújo, quien explicó que "por razones constitucionales, las aeronaves que se empleen en esta misión humanitaria deben llevar los emblemas de la Cruz Roja Internacional" .

El Gobierno colombiano a través del ministro Araujo agradeció al gobierno de la República Bolivariana de Venezuela y en particular al Presidente Hugo Chávez "su interés en la liberación unilateral e incondicional de estos tres secuestrados".

El pronunciamiento del Gobierno se dio en respuesta a la iniciativa presentada por el mandatario venezolano la mañana del miércoles en el Palacio de Miraflores, donde dijo que tiene dispuesto un grupo de aeronaves, aviones y helicópteros, debidamente identificados con el símbolo de la Cruz Roja Internacional, para que penetren en territorio colombiano y se desplacen hasta el aeropuerto de Villavicencio (Meta), punto acordado con las Farc, e iniciar desde allí la que llamó "operación transparencia".

El Mandatario venezolano aclaró que tanto él como los pilotos desconocen el lugar donde están los plagiados. Por eso, desde Caracas explicó que dentro de las aeronaves viajaría una comitiva humanitaria que desde la capital del departamento del Meta se desplazaría hasta un lugar desconocido donde aguardarían Clara Rojas, su hijo Emmanuel y Consuelo González.

Chávez sostuvo que la guerrilla de las Farc avaló la fórmula, la misma que ahora recibe la autorización del Gobierno colombiano.

Escuche la intervención del presidente de Venezuela, Hugo Chávez.

Detalles de la propuesta

En la operación propuesta por Chávez participarían de delegados de seis países más y la Cruz Roja Internacional, además contaría con la presencia de un representante colombiano, en este caso, el comisionado de paz, Luis Carlos Restrepo, designado por el Gobierno colombiano.

Al presentar la fórmula Chávez explicó junto a un mapa cómo serían las operaciones. "Tenemos un dispositivo al norte del Táchira en el aeropuerto de La Fría. Ese es uno de los puntos de salida y/o de retorno de la caravana aérea humanitaria" .

El mandatario añadió que "otro aeropuerto que tenemos cerca de Colombia es el de Guadualito, otro es el de Santo Domingo en el estado Táchira; hay otros puntos, Puerto Ayacucho y Elorza. No queremos otras pistas por seguridad todo debe ser trasparente" .

Agradeció a la Cruz Roja Internacional por su participación para conseguir la liberación de los secuestrados y explicó que "son dos helicópteros de nuestro servicio de rescate aeronáutico los que participarían. Uno de ellos irá ocupado con medicamentos, médicos y camillas por si es necesario. Estos aviones irán escalonados por otros más rápidos y muy seguros" .

Chávez sostuvo que "si la operación comenzara mañana por la mañana, Dios mediante, antes que se oculte el sol ellos estarían acá y podrían recibir el 2008 en libertad".

Incluso dijo que una de las aeronaves que viajarían podrían llevar periodistas nacionales e internacionales "porque eso le da trasparencia y se va a saber todo lo que va a pasar (...) tenemos que cumplir el compromiso de la guerrilla de que se pierdan en la selva (las aeronaves) y estamos seguros de que el Gobierno de Colombia entenderá esto".

El bloque internacional


Desde Cuba se inició lo que hoy se denominaría el bloque internacional por el acuerdo humanitario, justamente cuando el Presidente Chávez, durante su última visita al país insular, habló sobre el futuro de los secuestrados con el presidente de la isla, Fidel Castro.

"Logré ubicar a todos los presientes y todos mostraron su disposición en cooperar y participar en la operación de rescate humanitario. Quiero agradecerle al Presidente francés y a la presidenta de Argentina (..) que me dijo contaba con su cooperación" .

Chávez dijo también que presidentes como Luiz Inacio Lula Da Silva, de Brasil; y Evo Morales, de Bolivia, también asignaron a un comisionado para que participe en la operación. "De la misma forma el Presidente Rafael Correa designó a Gustavo Larrea, quien fue ministro del Interior, y me dijo que el territorio de Ecuador está abierto" .
El mandatario aclaró que "Clara, Consuelo y Emmanuel no estarán en Villavicencio. Todo el mundo comprenderá las razones de esta medida de seguridad que es una exigencia de las Farc que yo entiendo como Militar que soy y creo que esto no afecta para anda a nadie" .

Explicó que dependiendo de las circunstancias, el helicóptero que saque de la selva a los secuestrados podría aterrizar nuevamente en Villavicencio para cargar combustible y pasar la frontera con rumbo nuevamente hacia Caracas.

Reacciones

- Patricia Perdomo, hija de Consuelo González, cuya liberación junto a otros dos secuestrados anunció la guerrilla de las Farc, se declaró este miércoles "feliz" con el anuncio del presidente de Venezuela.

"Estamos felices porque vamos a tener tres personas libres y en un futuro a todos si Dios quiere", dijo tras seguir por televisión la intervención de Hugo Chávez en Caracas.

- Alcalde de Villavicencio, Héctor Manuel Caamaño Chacón: "indiscutiblemente vemos con mucho orgullo y transparencia lo que está ofreciendo, pero tenemos que tener la ubicación a la que ellos quieren acceder. El Presidente de la República deber dar la orden para este ejercicio, pero queremos que Clara, Consuelo y Emmanuel regresen a la libertad. Estamos en disposición de hacer todo lo necesario. Hemos hecho una ampliación de 300 metros de la pista y podemos recibir aviones de hasta 120 pasajeros. Vamos a montar cualquier plan de contingencia en la parte de seguridad y humana, porque tenemos conocimiento de que ellos están enfermos" .

- Carlos Lozano, director del semanario Voz: "veo viable la propuesta. Ha sido bien explicada y abierta a la participación de un funcionario del gobierno colombiano. Lo que debe primar es el sentido de lo humanitario" .

- Padre Darío Echeverri: "son razones humanitarias más que políticas. La iglesia no quiere protagonismo y esperamos la pronta liberación de más secuestrados".

catherine b says on Dec 26, 2007, 16:48:

Chavez indicated that the release would be for tomorow evening but I suspect it's probably taking place tonight. Hopefully all will go well.

Ok, I just found this editorial by Venezuelan journalist Eddie Ramirez. It's just too funny and spot on not to share. Apologies to the non-Spanish speakers.

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“Rescate� en el Caquetá

El gran estratega nos describió hoy en rueda de prensa cómo lograría el rescate, perdón la entrega, de los rehenes colombianos en manos de sus amigos de la FARC. Aviones, helicópteros, enviados especiales de Argentina, Ecuador, Bolivia, Cuba y Francia garantizarán que la peligrosa operación se haga en forma “transparente�.

Para la ciudad y el mundo quedó claro que el teniente coronel solo intervino por razones estrictamente humanitarias, jamás por figurar y mucho menos para que el ministro Lara o Tarek lo propongan para el Nóbel de la Paz. Lástima que los del “imperio� no contaran con su asesoría en el rescate fallido de los rehenes en Irán hace ya varios años. De haber participado, sus panas persas seguramente hubiesen entregado voluntariamente a los rehenes en señal de buena voluntad y de amistad hacia el comandante revolucionario, tal y como lo hacen ahora los terroristas de la FARC.

Hoy todos aprendimos algo de estrategia y táctica militar. Creemos que fue una clase magistral dirigida a la Reserva, pero nos parece una imprudencia del Comandante en Jefe. Ahora cualquier hijo de vecino, incluyendo a los peligrosos estudiantes, está enterado que los helicópteros deben salir con anticipación ya que son más lentos que los aviones Falcon. Esto es muy importante, según nos aseveró, para poder sincronizar todo el operativo y garantizar la peligrosa incursión en el Caquetá (Departamento colombiano en donde opera la guerrilla). Casi nos imaginamos al predicador del socialismo siglo XXI como si estuviese planificando el célebre rescate en Entebe. No seamos mezquinos, mejor un ejemplo de mayor envergadura como el desembarco en Normandía. ¿Se imaginan la perorata si en lugar de Eisenhower, hubiese sido el del Museo Militar el que explicase las acciones del Día D?

La misión es de extremo peligro y por ello requirió la presencia de representantes de las potencias mundiales Bolivia, Ecuador, Cuba y Argentina. Estos últimos por su exitosa campaña de recuperación de Las Malvinas. El representante francés estará presente para ganar experiencia cuando los terroristas decidan entregar a Ingrid, quien como es sabido tiene la doble nacionalidad, francesa y colombiana.

Solo entregarán a dos mujeres, una de ellas aparentemente muy cercana a la guerrilla, o al menos a uno de los guerrilleros, y a un niño. Sin embargo el operativo tiene que ser bien planificado y mejor ejecutado ya que se aspira que, cuando les convenga, la guerrilla entregará a los 400 secuestrados que utiliza como escudos humanos. Quizá lo haga por cuentagotas para que el teniente coronel pueda convocar ruedas de prensa que acaparan la atención mundial.

Sin duda que nos alegramos por la liberación, pero no podemos menos que señalar la payasada. Con esta acción la FARC quiere hacer olvidar la matanza de los once diputados y, al mismo tiempo ganar cierto piso político y levantar la imagen de quien ha demostrado ser simpatizante de ese movimiento. Ese fue su regalo navideño después de haber callado por órdenes reales y haber mordido el polvo con el rotundo NO del referendo.

miamimike says on Dec 26, 2007, 20:12:

CB--I don't follow Google News and settle watch COL TV unless it concerns the Col Stock Market--here in Miami, it was not on Local or National TV, at least the Channel I watch---LOL--Very Good Uribe is locked in on his word so its a go! Set me free!

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? ... That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.,

spigrimace says on Dec 27, 2007, 10:59:

I still cannot believe that one of the kidnapped, had a kid with one of her kidnappers. I guess we all have needs and it was a long time.

morphus says on Dec 27, 2007, 11:02:

Patty Hearst syndrome

909uiu

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 27, 2007, 11:12:

Not necessarily. Perhaps she wasn't raped (it has happened thatthe guerrilla has raped female hostages ("for ideological purposes" so that they would have a child of the people, para que tengan un hijo del pueblo, as it goes) but the chances are that she had an affair with one of her captors (monsters, yet some of those younger comandantes with fierce eyes and long hair appeal to some women).

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

Lcacique says on Dec 27, 2007, 14:05:

There are cases all of the time w/ prisoners having sex with prison guards...granted the situation is slightly different. Nevertheless, I can imagine a variety of reasons why the captive may have had relations with her captor.

Hoy se nota en la floresta un ambiente de alegría. ¡Y el rumor de ranchería es mas dulce y sabe a fiesta!

Sr Tertius says on Dec 27, 2007, 15:11:

If the predictions are correct, we will hear her own version pretty soon.

"When the finger points to the moon, the fool looks at the finger" (Chinese proverb)

catherine b says on Dec 27, 2007, 19:11:

Chavez just finished speaking to reporters live and unfortunately I can't type everything he said, but I'm sure the press will print it tomorow. But I'm more convinced than ever Chavez has multiple personalities. You guys should've heard him ..he sounded almost like the Dalai Lama. LOL
Let's hope by tomorow at this time the 3 hostages will be safely back with their loved ones.

vladimiro says on Dec 28, 2007, 17:18:

Sometimes he sings along with famous singers on his weekly TV show Alo Presidente. He actually sings pretty good.

diabloblas says on Dec 30, 2007, 11:50:

catherine b...do you have problems with the dalai lama as well?

diabloblas says on Dec 30, 2007, 11:52:

i think all of you people who damn chavez should point out your choice of an admirable successful politician

catherine b says on Dec 30, 2007, 12:27:

I would'nt mind if he actually turned into the Dalai Lama and stayed that way.

ALL politicians are criticized, but I think you fail to understand the reasons some of us have for so disliking Chavez. Speaking for myself and only for myself I particularly despise his hypocricy and attempts at totalitarianism.

He claims to champion for the poor and decry the oligarchy, but yet he eliminated one elite only to replace it with another elite ...the bolibourgeoisie. Despite his Bolivarian missions Venezuela still has a poverty of 46%, but rather than investing more in his own people and their needs he's throwing 4.5 million dollars on a soccer stadium in Bolivia, $800,000 for presidential campaigns in Argentina and billions OUTSIDE of Venezuela!

He and his ministers are constantly blasting capitalism and the "empire" and yet they're attired in $180 Louis Vuitton ties, $500 Gucci loafers, driving hummers and living more opulently than most "capitalist yankees" I know.

He condemns USA interference in the sovereignty of other nations (and rightfully so), however he feels entitled to meddle in the affairs of other countries and disrespect their sovereignty.

diabloblas says on Dec 30, 2007, 12:33:

i think you could substitue bush & a bunch of others for chavez...i'd rather have chavez..at least he doesn't butcher his native language.

catherine b says on Dec 30, 2007, 12:36:

Oh there's plenty of them. While Bush is completely inept, Chavez is shameless.

lpdiver says on Dec 30, 2007, 12:46:

diabloblas...

Admiration is based on ones own internal moral code and you will never get a concensus there so it must be removed from the equation.

The metrics for sucess as a politician are quite simple. Obtain and retain your position. I cannot think of anyone alive that surpasses Fidel Castro in that measure.

I will be glad to see him go.

t

"cook some rice!"

diabloblas says on Dec 30, 2007, 12:52:

i was glad to see churchill go also...but i was also glad to have him in the mid 40s

i wasn't aware however that castro has gone anywhere

lpdiver says on Dec 30, 2007, 13:24:

I never said that Castro was gone. I stated that, " I will be glad to see him go. "

Of course then the divers second corrolation of life kicks in. "Don't be to happy to get rid of an asshole; because, there is always a bigger asshole lurking about waiting to replace them."

t

"cook some rice!"

diabloblas says on Dec 30, 2007, 13:30:

my mistake lpdiver

diabloblas says on Dec 31, 2007, 08:28:

in the mid 60s i worked for standard oil in venezuela, we took 75% of the oil revenues out of the country...chavez has turned that around & then some...i say that's good for venezuela

...the question that hasn't been answered is whether that money goes to the social welfare & infrastructure of venezuela..there's been a lot of leakage so far but not necessarily corruption...more ineptitude it seems but again another question being answered as we type

...chavez was elected in a carter observed election...with more transparency that bush:s election...i don't like bush but that's what the usa wants & the people, in my estimation, will pay later...i don't love chavez but that's what the people want...they may or may not pay later

..having said that i admire how chavez stands up to the bully usa & has fairly well organized a coalition of countries with his wealth for the taking oil patch...& similarly i admire the bush organization for capitalizing on 911 & scaring the public into taking their own freedoms away..which has turned out to be another case of "being careful what you wish for" as this paranoia has turned to xenophobia on the border states

...but you gotta luvit how the bush administration spinmachine works...they are fucking good & so is chavez

slguy says on Dec 31, 2007, 12:05:

"the question that hasn't been answered is whether that money goes to the social welfare & infrastructure of venezuela..there's been a lot of leakage so far but not necessarily corruption"

"has fairly well organized a coalition of countries with his wealth for the taking oil patch..."

I'd say the second statement answers the first, doesn't it?

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

rombella says on Jan 1, 2008, 23:12:

Dogman, "It is time that the US stop fucking around with people like Chavez and eliminate him, thats right-kill him"

What has Chavez done that is wrong?

Why does the US even have to deal with Chavez?

So he said this or that? Big deal.

What's the problem? From you prespective.

slguy says on Jan 2, 2008, 13:44:

dogman, you may wanna think about easing up on the roids, bro.

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

Lcacique says on Jan 4, 2008, 16:05:

Exactly, slguy...just a hint of paranoia and misguided hatred in those comments.

dogman: Are you all right? Besides the roids, you may want to take a break from all of the PCP. Come back to earth, son.

Hoy se nota en la floresta un ambiente de alegría. ¡Y el rumor de ranchería es mas dulce y sabe a fiesta!

MitchAlvarez says on Jan 5, 2008, 00:50:

dogman:

1. who is that sexy flaca in your pic man? jaja nice one

2. i have similar feelings but you do have to ease up bro. but when i see the farc bullshiting and lying i say the same about storming into the jungles and exterminating a few.

Tengale miedo a una huelga de mujeres o a una escasez de aguardiente. :)

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