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CCW inspection with DAS

Does anyone have the extended mag permit with DAS? If under 9 they have inspected the guns every 3 years. Now it's every year with high load mags...is what they are saying. Is this right????

By Frank Rizzo on Feb 10, 2008, 20:46 in Friendly Talkzone.

arthur brode says on Feb 11, 2008, 02:30:

easy now,frankie:)

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vicshere says on Feb 11, 2008, 04:11:

Frank DAS has nothing to do with mag limit..that is the job of indumil.....you are allowed to carry 9 in mag and 1 in chamber....if you need a higher capacity mag you need to write a letter to the commander of your "batalon" asking for the increase and giving reasons why the increase is necessary...then the approval is given to indumil to change the capacity...but I doubt they will give it you....personally the only persons I know that have a higher capacity mags are body guards.....remember to keep the receipt when you buy your ammunition not on your person but at home.....the military ask you to verify the origin of your load.....remember no arms allowed on motorcycles unless you have a special ride permit from the commander

listo

Frank Rizzo says on Feb 11, 2008, 13:03:

Thanks vic, my atty's are trying to explain this to me and i'm a bit confused. We have a security division (we applied for and got approved through bogota, at considerable expense) of our company so we have the motorcycle permits, loads per month not limited to 200 per gun, sin pico y placa and blindaje for the cars, dark window permit, etc.

So, we do have permits for the high load mags as well, the best we can understand. It's the yearly inspection of all the guns that we wish to carry on person (employees) at DAS that i'm not sure about...as at first we had only the every 3 year inspection. I've got a guy flying to Bogota this week to get it all straight.

Atrevido says on Feb 11, 2008, 14:04:

Would being a bad shot be considered a valid reason for needing a higher load mag?

vicshere says on Feb 11, 2008, 18:26:

cool frank sounds like an interesting job
Atrevido....considering the bullets are so expensive in Colombian the average shooter does have the ability financially to go to a range and let loose 400 rounds at a sitting.....400 *1,700 680,000 cop..... in the US that may have cost 20 bucks for the same round of the good stuff.....so I would say the average Colombian shooter has much less accuracy than an average shooter in the US...my take any way.....I have friends back home who go every weekend and let loose 300 -500 rounds ...practice does make perfect in shooting..
Frank the DAS does the inspection...hum interesting..and since your a company it could be different I am writing from personal experience....sorry cant help

listo

robi666 says on Feb 11, 2008, 18:31:

Frank, when I bought my gun (a 9mm and I have a three years permit), they asked me if I was interested in a special permit for carrying more than 9 rounds. They said that that permit had to be renewed annually, so I declined.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

robi666 says on Feb 11, 2008, 19:06:

And, Vic, police and DAS can really get your gun for an inspection at their will. After the inspection, they give you a document with 3 months validity. After 3 months, they can get it again.
It happened to me in Santa Marta and several friends: they took my gun even if I had a perfect valid permit.

Knowing a guy who personally introduced me to the Chief of police, made me get back my gun instantly (it would take one week normally) and had the "patrullero" reproached for not understanding whom to get the gun from.

vicshere says on Feb 11, 2008, 19:14:

interesting to know I have been stopped many times but only once I was asked if I have weapon...I showed them CCW and the gun and they let me on my way....my bike permit CCW is expired ..dam it you have to do it every 12 months and cost 10,000 and it comes from the commander or "mayor" of the "batalon"
but rob what do you think about my comment on Colombian accuracy compared to the US??

listo

robi666 says on Feb 11, 2008, 19:31:

I really don't know, Vic.
The average Colombian shoots from 40 cm from your face... :)

Frank Rizzo says on Feb 11, 2008, 19:35:

hi Vic, i know. Its' a battle to get through all the muck. Robi has given me a citing for DIAN to help get our tax info straight, and we're working on that....so this board is a very good help!! Thanks Robi....!!

Yes, it appears that DAS inspects all our guns every year for the high loads, and once every 3 years for the low loads (less than 9). We have never been stopped and don't intend to, if possible. Our plates are coded for the security division, also for the dates for dis-arma, during election, etc. We have no days that we can not carry in the entire country (including checking the guns on the plane (below the hull), as far as I now....but...these posts have created some questions and we sould have an answer from bogota by friday.

Secondly, we have permits for bullet proof vests....which we really don't need or want....

I don't anticipate them taking our guns for any reason, we're dialed in hard. Though who knows in Colombia.

It's not a job, AB knows for sure. Colombia is just for fun...It's just personal protection to an extreme.

Frank Rizzo says on Feb 11, 2008, 19:45:

oh....sorry....was going to mention....from my understanding, at the ranges, the loads are unlimited to buy and cheaper (don't know if they are reloads).... let me know if you can confirm....thanks...

vicshere says on Feb 11, 2008, 19:52:

as far as I know all rounds must be bought through indumil...I was speaking to cop friend last year that if they find you with black market ammo from Venezuela they fine and stuff...that's why its important to keep the indumil receipt for your ammo......but from what I found out the Venezuelan ammo isn't much cheaper....and for me not worth it...in our neck of the wood never heard of reloads and the one only gun club here is super expensive out of my league...I just go find a hill outside of town and set up my Styrofoam and paper targets and get the wife to fetch the targets.....yes I am very careful...hehehhee

listo

Robert Jorge says on Feb 11, 2008, 21:26:

Damn, 1700cop for a 9mm bullet? If I could get the materials in the country, I could handload 9mm for about 90 pesos a round. Might be a good way to make some money. Or do time in a Colombian prison. Anyway, I didn't know ammo was that restricted and expensive. Maybe Feinstein has influence with the DAS. jajaja

vicshere says on Feb 12, 2008, 05:09:

yes RJ very expensice to own a any gun in colombia
my CZ cost 4,500,000 in the US it relais for about 430 buck someone is makeing a dam SOB profit

listo

robi666 says on Feb 12, 2008, 05:18:

Yes, Vic.
To let people new to this understand, you'd have to add that you are talking about an official price of INDUMIL (Industria Militare), which is the only organization entitled to sell arms and weapons in Colombia. So, you buy from them or nothing.

vicshere says on Feb 12, 2008, 05:27:

exactly rob even when its a resale and transfer of gun....all documentation must go through indumil no if ands or buts and you have to go through the same procedure as if buying a new gun....and the gun must be a legal gun....don't try registering an illegal gun or you will be seeing the inside of a prison very quickly.....and buying a used gun isn't much cheaper than buying new...I could have bought a used SIG for 3,700,000...but opted to go new and which I am very happy I did cause I love this gun....I have to say the gun control is night and day to the US...which I don't mind ...what I do mind is the price of guns and ammo

listo

vicshere says on Feb 12, 2008, 05:27:

rob i have a CZ P01 what doyou have if you dont mind

listo

robi666 says on Feb 12, 2008, 05:39:

Yes, used gun prices are more or less the same of a new one if not more. That's because the quantity of new arms imported is limited. You usually have to wait long to get one.

Beretta Cougar.

A used Sig for 3,700,000? It is a bargain! How many years ago? I can be wrong, but a used Sig would be at least 7 millions now.

vicshere says on Feb 12, 2008, 05:44:

cool lots of Berettas in town good gun...
humm 4 years ago but it was a bit scuffed up and well used ... I figured another 800 and I have a brand new weapon...beside it just didn't fit well in my hand ..on the other hand the CZ if small and easy to CCW and fit my hands like a glove

listo

robi666 says on Feb 12, 2008, 05:50:

There is a very professional arms "taller" in Barranquilla. They take your gun and make it new. Price 80 - 120,000 COP.

Robert Jorge says on Feb 13, 2008, 19:16:

Maybe I should get into gunsmithing in Colombia. I am not formally trained - but I know my way around 'em.

I just made the mistake of going into a local gun dealer today. I just saw something I had to acquire. An FN PS90. 50 round - zero recoil. 26" length. They shoot a stubby 5.7mm x 28 round that will more than penetrate class 3 body armor trauma plates. Here is a picture. The US Secret Service now carries them, rather than the UZI A.
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trojancd says on Feb 14, 2008, 22:16:

I am working on getting my CCW, but having a few problems as I travel so much. Does anyone have contact info for an Attorney to help me out in Medellin, my attorney has no idea so I'm going it alone. Also, its nice to see that I have some neighbors here who carry, suprising how many Gringos gawk at the sound of owning a gun these days.

Vic, I've spent some time with the local Batallon, and other units around and they seem to be some years back in tactics and marksmanship on the general level, of course the higher level units are up there in Marksmanship. However what they may lack in sound marksmanship they make up for in experience, its hard to argue with a dude who's been blown up by two landmines, and spent the better part of a decade fighting the geurilla and still out training. They pretty much rely on a high volume of fire vs accuracy, which being on the receiving end of that is sometimes hard to contest, even better if the accuracy and volume are combined.

Frank Rizzo says on Feb 15, 2008, 15:02:

I've got a guy in cali, but he's not cheap. The CCW is somewhat easy and not too expensive for a pistol less than 9 rounds. You can PM me through the site.....if you can't find another way.

vicshere says on Feb 15, 2008, 18:18:

trojancd you don't need an attorney....there are guys hanging around the front of the indumil that do all the leg work and forms for you and most likely know more about it than any attorney...and they will charge a lot less....you still have to go for all your tests...they just help you with the different forms ....the rest is just waiting

listo

Frank Rizzo says on Feb 15, 2008, 19:16:

Vic's right......

trojancd says on Feb 16, 2008, 12:43:

I understand and can apprciate being frugal but I'm more interested in just getting it done, rather than waisting a lot of time figuring it all out for myself. Is the best way through the guys out front then or do you guys know someone specifically who can help.

I really appreciate the help by the way.

vicshere says on Feb 16, 2008, 13:02:

troy you still have to spend the same time with either the guy out front or a lawyer ...the difference is money...the lawyer will not make it go faster...if anything the guy out front knows the guys inside personally....which might help your docs move up a hair...as I see those guys are all on the up and up ...after all that you still have to do the tests by yourself....it takes about an hour or so depending on the people there to do all tests,,,,lets see vision, hearing, medical/physical, physical coordination, physiatrist

listo

Frank Rizzo says on Feb 16, 2008, 13:13:

ummmm....from my experience, not necessarirly Vic....we have a division of security from our company. This normally would take 6 months or more. We got it in 1 month and it was quite costly.

For sure Vic's right about the testing, but that is the least of the permit if you are of good health and a previous shooter.

Now, that's a security division and is far more extensive than the standard personal carry permit of < 9 shots...... This may be apples to oranges, definately not worth the expense to just carry a single weapon.

From my understanding you can get permits for up to 2 guns in colombia now, with just the personal permits. So, that would be your better route.

vicshere says on Feb 16, 2008, 13:37:

spending 5,000,000 is enough for me thanks and one gun is enough if I need more fire power I am in deep shit and the second gun not going to help.....but your guards/men still have to go through the 1 hour test procedure right...I can see the security company getting permits much faster though as for the testing I just past the hearing part...actually I failed and she would signal me what ear the dam lowest sound on earth was coming from left or right....I need a hear aid I know

listo

Frank Rizzo says on Feb 16, 2008, 14:54:

jajajajaj Vic....I could probably use a hearing aid as well..... or that's what my girlfriend says...jjaa.... yes they have to go thru all the testing..

trojancd says on Feb 22, 2008, 10:52:

Frank, PM sent

robi666 says on Feb 22, 2008, 14:35:

I got my permit in less than 24 hours. No test, no medical visit, no nothing... Just happens to know the right person.

vicshere says on Feb 22, 2008, 18:08:

come on rob where are you texas

listo

robi666 says on Feb 22, 2008, 18:36:

No Colombia... where there is always another way to do things.

vicshere says on Feb 22, 2008, 18:56:

so how about a few details

listo

robi666 says on Feb 22, 2008, 19:02:

Vic, it is nothing special, nothing to be surprise of, a typical Colombian story.
You get to know the right guy, who works as agent and has a close relative who is the coronel in charge at the Battalion. Money will do the rest.
The problem is that there are 5 different agents doing the same job, and they will not tell you who's the right one.
I was using the wrong one and spent like 200.000 and one month on useless papers and bribes before starting it all over again. Probably I would have got the permit anyway, but why wait?

vicshere says on Feb 22, 2008, 19:08:

well the only think I can say is my permit is 100% legal...but that is just the way I am....and I don't ever have to worry about any kind of problems...you know rob this is a not good country to get into problems...as you know when your in shit in Colombia your so be friends run for the hills...do you agree?

listo

robi666 says on Feb 22, 2008, 19:18:

I don't understand Vic. I am glad that your permit is legal too.

The guy is not a friend of mine, he works as agent and make good money with that. He did it for many others people I know, including security companies.
My permit is perfectly legal and was checked at least 20 times by police, army, DAS, antinarcoticos, gaula, on the coast and Medellin and on the way between.
All he needed from me was my cedula and the DAS certification.

Did you get visited by the psychologist? Surely yes and he put a signature on your certification. Well, I was not and he put a signature on my certification too. I did not get to know the psychologist but I could not care less...

I was stopped before San Alberto four days ago, exceeding speed limits. I gave 40,000 to the police and had good chat with them (they gave me an advice about the other possible radars on the way) and drove away, instead of 400,000 to transito.
Hey, this is Colombia...

vicshere says on Feb 22, 2008, 19:48:

ok rob good luck is all have to say.....all I know I have all the photo copies of all the supporting documents for my permit..copy of the 4 exams...not only psychologist..eye test hearing test..coordination test...medical/physical exam...the forms ...the receipts I paid at the bank....which I don't think you have for yourself.....so which one is legal...remember if you ever have to use you gun and they happen to check you permit well....actually rob when did you get this permit?

listo

robi666 says on Feb 23, 2008, 04:16:

More than one year ago.
Vic, I am sure that you have a perfectly legal permit, I was not having any doubt on that.

You're right, I did not keep photocopies of it, although I remember now that I was at the bank making the payment.

Now, I am sure that my permit is registered at INDUMIL, too.
The guy is well known at the Battalion, many has been using him in the past.
They keep and consult records there of what you buy (arms and bullets). I bought bullets a couple of times.

Do you know that there is a law in Colombia allowing Police to get your gun and keep it for a "technical inspection"? Actually, they get your gun and check your permit and yourself. Well, they did get mine in Santa Marta once. Than, they give you a certification in which they state that they checked your gun so they do not keep it again.

In Santa Marta, there are weeks in which you are stopped each and every day to be searched and inspect your documents.

And of course, they can be all paid off at the INDUMIL office to give me a fake, or that INDUMIL office can be a scam, or... again, it is Colombia.