Bummer - post erased about the U.S. soldiers raping a kid

Robert Jorge says on Oct 14, 2007, 20:55:

I don't know bufalo. I thought it was a good thread with lots of good points and arguments. It was fairly civil too. CK said I should hang out with other people, since I found out from 4000 miles away, a distant cousin knocked up a 14 year old. But that was about as heated as it got - unless something really wild happened late today.

el torcido says on Oct 14, 2007, 21:13:

Being new to the forum as for writing, perhaps I should not say too much. But, I thought that entire thread was useless. It was alot of talk about something no body here is going to do anything about. Everyone agreed, that it was not unique to us soldiers, alone. So, why all the fuss about such a negative topic? As for me and my opinion, I'm glad it's gone.

don't know much about 'conomy

Robert Jorge says on Oct 14, 2007, 23:16:

It is a topic that feels more comfortable to ignore. But that doesn't mean it isn't reality. And as far as the soldier issue, I can totally appreciate why somebody in uniform would be especially uncomfortable talking about it. 99% of soldiers are good people. But when a bad apple pulls something crazy, it unfortunately puts the whole military, and the US, in a bad light. Your right el toricido, nobody here is going to do anything about it. (what could we do?) But the more the topic is discussed, maybe one or two potential weirdos will realize it ain't cool to fool around with minors. I don't know, maybe that is just wishful thinking. But whatever the case, I know the answer isn't sweeping the issue under the rug.

Rob77 says on Oct 14, 2007, 23:26:

Try this URL:

http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/a-very-serious-concerned-querie/

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kalder says on Oct 15, 2007, 02:34:

"why all the fuss about such a negative topic?"

Absolutely.

The forum should be limited to discussions of sunsets, wallpaper designs and fluffy rabbits.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

Lostgringo says on Oct 15, 2007, 02:46:

It looks there were two threads on this topic. Robert Jorge I think you are right on target with your thoughts. Nothing more that I can add.

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gringolondinense says on Oct 15, 2007, 02:56:

People have become oversensitive. Only last week I had my post about a Swiss sex tourist deleted. :(

webmanco says on Oct 15, 2007, 03:04:

Are theads been deleted on the off topic forum as well? Maybe is Carita de Angel at work

But, I'm going to start making some assumptions here.... Which means I might actually end up making an ass out of myself ..........Thu 04 17, 2008 11:34 am

Desideria (Moderator) says on Oct 15, 2007, 04:50:

I don't think it has anything to do with the topic, but rather with the poster.
When an account is cancelled all threads and posts made by the user disappear too.

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Rob77 says on Oct 15, 2007, 05:08:

The author of that post is still arond and kicking, so I don't think it was due to that...this time.

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Monpirri says on Oct 15, 2007, 05:21:

It was a real good and informative post, I look forward to the post to be reposted minus the comment that made the moderator upset.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

morphus says on Oct 15, 2007, 05:28:

It was like people on here were happy that it happened. They want to keep talking about it.

podborski says on Oct 15, 2007, 05:29:

it was erased when BoyHowdy got zapped.

Considering the source is a troll who posts under many handles and gets zapped about once a week, I'd question the authenticity of the story too.

Might be true, might not be. I'd want to check it out before I believed it.

Monpirri says on Oct 15, 2007, 05:30:

Gringoinbogota, "what I wonder is just how credible the source was for that article or the article itself. I have never heard of that paper and why did it not make the mainstream press in Colombia? hmmm? Did I miss it?" You have to be kidding? Credible? Yep, you missed it alright.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

podborski says on Oct 15, 2007, 05:56:

I just searched el tiempo for the story but could not find anything. I did find some alarming statistic about rape and sexual violence in colombia though.

Read it for yourself:

http://www.eltiempo.com/tiempoimpreso/edicionimpresa/nacion/2007-10-11...

Monpi, where's the link to the story about the US soldier?

dwmte7 says on Oct 15, 2007, 06:05:

rob...where did that post get moved to?

dwmte

webmanco says on Oct 15, 2007, 06:05:

http://www.tiwy.com/read.phtml?id=1007&mode=uno



http://www.tiwy.com/read.phtml?id=185&mode=uno

I read somewhere about the underage gilr but I don´t remember.

But, I'm going to start making some assumptions here.... Which means I might actually end up making an ass out of myself ..........Thu 04 17, 2008 11:34 am

Tinto (Moderator) says on Oct 15, 2007, 06:15:

The troll's story was a repost from the website "Narco News" and THEIR story was just an English translation of something form El Tiempo. The El Tiempo link is probably available on the Narco News site.

webmanco says on Oct 15, 2007, 06:22:

If it is still under investigation, there should not be any pictures posted.



http://www.eltiempo.com/justicia/2007-10-07/ARTICULO-WEB-NOTA_INTERIOR...

Octubre 7 de 2007

Investigan a dos militares de E.U. por violación de niña de 12 años en Comando Aéreo de Melgar


Cuando el rio suena, se ahogo una orquesta.

But, I'm going to start making some assumptions here.... Which means I might actually end up making an ass out of myself ..........Thu 04 17, 2008 11:34 am

Desideria (Moderator) says on Oct 15, 2007, 06:27:

Published in El Tiempo, Colombia's leading daily, with names and faces, and yes, it's being investigated.

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

webmanco says on Oct 15, 2007, 06:28:

It is news not hate, anyone wanting to complain about it being on the news write to



u.investigativa at eltiempo.com.co

Short for Unidad Investigativa del El Diario El Tiempo. big differece as

Unidad Investigativa de Las Farc

But, I'm going to start making some assumptions here.... Which means I might actually end up making an ass out of myself ..........Thu 04 17, 2008 11:34 am

Tinto (Moderator) says on Oct 15, 2007, 06:40:

If the guys took her to the base, then they are especially stupid criminals. But stupidity and the inability to control one's urges also afflicted Bill Clinton, Larry Craig, the CEO of Boeing, the CEO of British Petroleum, a few hundred priests, etc, etc.

webmanco says on Oct 15, 2007, 06:41:

Self confidence back fires sometimes.

But, I'm going to start making some assumptions here.... Which means I might actually end up making an ass out of myself ..........Thu 04 17, 2008 11:34 am

kat1 (Moderator) says on Oct 15, 2007, 06:42:

GIB cuando el rio suena algo lleva...

webmanco says on Oct 15, 2007, 06:44:

No siempre, cuando el rio suena alguien puede estar equivocado (a), de allí pueden surgir muchas injusticias. Por eso no han debido de públicar las fotos, hasta no estar seguros.

But, I'm going to start making some assumptions here.... Which means I might actually end up making an ass out of myself ..........Thu 04 17, 2008 11:34 am

podborski says on Oct 15, 2007, 06:44:

if it's in El Tiempo that's good enough for me.

kat1 (Moderator) says on Oct 15, 2007, 06:45:

eh?
cuando el rio suena alguien puede estar equivocado? esa no me la sabia :)))

elmodefoque says on Oct 15, 2007, 06:46:

hola cordoba, is that you in that thar pic?

kat1 (Moderator) says on Oct 15, 2007, 06:47:

yes, why? what's the problem

elmodefoque says on Oct 15, 2007, 06:49:

de verdad? estas buenisima

elmodefoque says on Oct 15, 2007, 06:50:

deja habla contingo en privado, let's go to my profile

Monpirri says on Oct 15, 2007, 06:50:

Podborski, you posted an article about rape and sexual violence in Colombia, again you guys are doing the same thing you have done in the other thread, that's bringing other issues not related to the incident where a soldier rapes a girl in Colombia. I therefore will post the comment that you wanted me to post about Canada's role in sex tourism and child prostitution.

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podborski says on Oct 15, 2007, 07:01:

I'm not being sarcastic Monpi, I would like to see the stats on Canada, and not because I don't believe you, I've just never seen any on this topic.

I seriously do wonder why there seem to be so many Canadians in Colombia.

But why would you want to ignore the truth about a serious problem, whether it be in Canada, Colombia or wherever?

If the link I posted is even close to the truth, 720,000 victims of sexual abuse between the ages of 13 and 49 is a much more serious problem than a single crime by 2 american soldiers.

So focusing on the one crime committed by americans is naturally going to raise some questions about whether one's motivation in posting is not more political than about caring about violence against women.

bufalo says on Oct 15, 2007, 07:14:

" 720,000"... and I imagien those are only the reported ones...

"If you don't like it - lump it, take it down the road and dump it." - Archie Bunker played by Carroll O'Connor

Tinto (Moderator) says on Oct 15, 2007, 07:21:

I don't think El Tiempo is a very good newspaper - they devote way too much space to fluff, lifestyle, futbol, models and beauty queens. All papers do this to an extent, but with El Tiempo this fluff is a good portion of the web version's front page and the print version has about 50% of the front page filled with ads.

That said, it's still the national newspaper of Colombia and I doubt they would print the article if there was nothing behind it. What I wonder about is why it took six weeks to run the story and why it was finally reported just days after U.S. Secy of Defense Gates visited Tolemaida.

I'll agree with GIB that a number of seasoned investigative reporters in Colombia have fled, have been killed or practice self-censorship. It's going to take a LONG time to fix that situation and meanwhile the criminals, illegal groups, corrupt politicians and oligarchs all benefit from a weak, scared media.

podborski says on Oct 15, 2007, 07:21:

well my quick read of that story led me to believe they were trying to estimate all cases, including unreported ones.

Still, it's a big number.

I don't know if it is better or worse than a similar study would show for north america or europe.

Some of these studies are hard to believe though, as they will call a man pushing a woman 'sexual violence'.

Obviously the authors try to up the numbers to some shocking level to get media attention, but it discredits the whole report, IMHO.

Man Tequila says on Oct 15, 2007, 07:42:

Well, if a crime was alleged, it should be investigated. If it is true American soldiers did rape twelve year olds, they should be punished for their crime. I think the media in most countries would publish a story about foreign soldiers raping a child, and don't think you can assume that this must be politically motivated, even though that is a strong possibility.

I have read articles in Colombian newspapers recognizing that child prostitution and sexual abuse are common problems in Colombia, and seeking both to publicize these statistics and change antisocial and despicable attitudes and behaviours. Most of these articles, including Pod's link, did not blame foreigners. The fact one article focuses on American soldiers does not in itself mean Colombian newspapers are biased, or that the problem is being completely ignored when committed by Colombians. This "blame the tourist" attitude seems more prevalent here on this board than it does in the Colombian media.

These crimes are disgraceful and one would hope those committing them would receive appropriate punishment. However, the unsupported allegations often made on this board implying that tourists and posters on this blog are committing serious crimes is also outrageous -- if you have personal knowledge this is so than please report these crimes, if not, than do not sully this board with vague and malicious innuendo. If Canadians have a role in Colombian child prostitution, they should be reported. The fact that Canadians do go to Colombia does not guarantee that the former. So, I would also like to see the statistics that support Monpirri's position.

pues se me antoja que sus cantares son de una tierra desconocida, y yo le dije si a usted le inspira, saber la tierra de donde soy... con mucho gusto y a mucho honor...

podborski says on Oct 15, 2007, 07:50:

just to be clear man t, I don't think the newspapers (or el tiempo at least) are politically motivated reporting the story, I sure as hell hope they would report it.

I meant the poster on PBH who only posts stories about sexual violence that involve americans, and at the same time denies any 'domestic' problems invites questions about his motivations.

More so when he is easily recognizable as the troll who bashes the US whenever possible.

Man Tequila says on Oct 15, 2007, 07:54:

BoyHowdy (etc.) was clearly ready to excuse Colombians for their role -- "at least they don't travel", as if this makes a crime into a dismeanour. You don't need to feed the trolls at all if they full up on Cheesy Gordita Crunch combos.

Most of the publicity campaigns and newspaper articles I have seen on this problem did not seem to be blaming foreigners, that seems to be the role of the blogs. I think El Tiempo should be reporting this too.

pues se me antoja que sus cantares son de una tierra desconocida, y yo le dije si a usted le inspira, saber la tierra de donde soy... con mucho gusto y a mucho honor...

vicshere says on Oct 15, 2007, 08:48:

"Why don't they report on the daily waiste of funds I see EVERYDAY here in Colombia? The corruption that is occuring everyday here? "
GIB that's easy cause if they report that kind of real news they would end up in a body bag ..plain and simple and the reporters know it to...that's why they is so much tits and ass on the news here cause the truth is very difficult to report...either they are in denial or they is outside forces inhibiting them from reporting...so calm the public with tits and ass and everyone will think everything is OK.....I am not saying news in N.A. is perfect but its a bag of shit here in Colombia

listo

vicshere says on Oct 15, 2007, 09:02:

the funniest thing is the news anchor on channel 24 he says " anonca" and draws his hand down and over his face.....to me he is saying come guys "anonca" and your face will be pulled off and your body in the grave.....you can "anonca" but you have better head for the hills right after the fact

listo

morphus says on Oct 15, 2007, 09:26:

"GIB that's easy cause if they report that kind of real news they would end up in a body bag"

Sounds worse than Cuba. They at least let you continue living in prison in Cuba.

vicshere says on Oct 15, 2007, 09:29:

without looking up stats i would say colombia is high on reporter deaths...i know mexico is very high of late with the drug wars....i would have to say colombia isnt too far behind or at leats in top 10

listo

Miguel says on Oct 15, 2007, 09:41:

"GIB that's easy cause if they report that kind of real news they would end up in a body bag"

Y así se toca muchachos. Questions?

poco says on Oct 15, 2007, 10:40:

Quote: I'll agree with GIB that a number of seasoned investigative reporters in Colombia have fled, have been killed or practice self-censorship. It's going to take a LONG time to fix that situation and meanwhile the criminals, illegal groups, corrupt politicians and oligarchs all benefit from a weak, scared media.

What !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Agreement ??????????? with GIB? Me too ! LOL (gratuitous)

I'd hadn't condered (edited: The word ""condered" should have been spelled "considered" thanks for pointing this out) elmo might have a PBH version of a "stabin cabin". on his profile.

----- Sorry Morphus, it was not my intent to imply you had vultures in your stabin cabin or should that be stab'n ?-----------



PS: Yes, it was El Tiempo and ONLY one a few other references. I had the page bookmarked and was hoping that someday there would be More chicken and less feathers posted in that thread.

"Violence is the first refuge of the incompetent" - Isaac Asimov

Robert Jorge says on Oct 15, 2007, 10:40:

GIB, I am not a conspiracy theorist type of person, but what you have pointed out and argued makes a lot of sense. I too hope that no matter what the outcome, that outcome is discussed here as a follow up. GIB made several good points and had observations that frankly I didn't think about. If the whole story is propaganda, it is extremely effective. It worked on me. We are all here discussing the issue that may very well be a terrible, made up story.

I have shared before in other threads over the past year, that I know one Colombian in the US that is here with a political asylum visa. Guess what her profession was before she fled to the US. Yep, a journalist. She and her ex don't talk about it much (at all), but I know she received death threats and was told she should disappear, or she would disappear.

dwmte7 says on Oct 15, 2007, 11:38:

brother, poco, could you please clarify this...I'd hadn't condered elmo might have a PBH version of a "stabin cabin". on his profile." somehow it went way over my head.

el tiempo and el colombiano are both owned by the same family....uribe is one of this family. the head of the family--i forgot his name--(age) used to be the governor of antioquia. their home is out on the st. elena rd, leading from the airport. another aside. uribe has a home in the tiny little burg of el tablaso...pablo's birthplace. it all sounds like incest...colombian style.

dwmte

Tinto (Moderator) says on Oct 15, 2007, 11:46:

Re media ownership: I put this together about four years ago. I *think* it's still mostly accurate with the exception of the Santos family selling all or part of their publishing empire to some big media company in Spain.

http://home.earthlink.net/~cafe.tinto/media.htm

Desideria (Moderator) says on Oct 15, 2007, 11:47:

I don't think El Tiempo is very good either, but I consider it relatively unbiased. All Colombian newspapers are too fluffy for my taste, except perhaps La Semana, which is not a newspaper but a magazine. El Pais is almost intolerably fluffy with all those naked women floating around advertizing the services of aesthetic surgeons and body sculpture clinics.

That said, I believe Colombia has a few good journalists and some honest ones too. Some of them have been too good and too honest and have paid the price. Persecution of jouirnalists and censorship have existed in Colombia as long as I remember.

I have no anti-gringo agenda. That's lame, GIB. I call a spade spade and if it happens to be a gringo spade, well tough luck. I have a strong pro children agenda, however and according to the article, these guys had picked up the girl at a discotheque in Melgar....what was a 12-year-old girl doing there? I want these soldiers, if found guilty, of course, get a severe punishment and Colombia start protecting their children and young people better. Starting with the home environment and keeping track of youngsters and children and their whereabouts.

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

poco says on Oct 15, 2007, 11:48:

Quote: tits and ass on the news

Better than Playboy !!!! I'm constantly aware of what pictures are on top when I put papers below the parrot cage. !!!!!!

Dwmte7: Ha, Ha,, but I know you probably weren't around to see that series of posts. I think it was Morpus refering to his apartment, can't remember why, who started the term or even if it pertained to him.



Added this link: http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/stabbin-cabin/
gets you in the general vicinity.

"Violence is the first refuge of the incompetent" - Isaac Asimov

el torcido says on Oct 15, 2007, 12:33:

That's why I said in the very top of this thread. There's only so many points you can make about this very real, yet very grotesque subject. It happens. It's wrong. The violators should be punished. It's not just usa soldiers that have been known to do this sort of thing. There are bad apples in every bunch of whatever.

Enough said? No?

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scotty says on Oct 15, 2007, 13:06:

GIB is right on target, he can see what its really all about.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

dwmte7 says on Oct 15, 2007, 22:18:

poco...it wasn't about the love cabin...it was about how what ever was said, was spelled, that left me in the dark.

been around? i've been on pbh for probably 7 years. i've bugged peter ad nauseum about getting my earlier posts under dwmte hooked up with dwmte7...unfortunately, poor brother peter is overworked and underpaid and just doesnt have the time/energy/interest to dig through the logs to find it all.

dwmte

goin_south says on Oct 15, 2007, 23:33:

sounds like you're a DEAD DUCK, dwmte7.

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

goin_south says on Oct 16, 2007, 01:19:

well, that should get you about ten pages more responses, from all the 'feelers-not-thinkers' here.

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

webmanco says on Oct 16, 2007, 04:49:

Media manipulation works both ways. I see here a few posters get easy manipulate as well as to a clear evidence that something happened, whether is true or not something happened.

It is naive to claim it is Farc propaganda. If El Tiempo was wrong writing the article then write to the Editorial and suggest them to apologize.

If anything said in the article is true The USA government would not want it on the press.

Now the newspaper could be easily sued over false judgement and that is something they are very careful about.

Qualify doctors could know if something happened or not in a few minutes, but every situation got its cons and pros, I am sure there is a procedure when thing like a rape from forces from other governent are involved, ever heard the word Diplomacy?.

The guys might not be guilty as of yet. Only time will tell, but situations like this could go under the table, and It could had be true but it must be kept a secret.

But, I'm going to start making some assumptions here.... Which means I might actually end up making an ass out of myself ..........Thu 04 17, 2008 11:34 am

webmanco says on Oct 16, 2007, 05:11:

I got not agenda and am not anti anything, I just comment on the matter at hand, the guys involved could had been from UK, China, Jupiter that is not the point. The issued here it that it is clear that it is not Farc Propaganda, and I doubt very much it was a set up.

On many ocasions Diplomacy fails and it is too late to cover up.

And by the way I don´t like to use the word green go, I rather use the word foreigners.

But, I'm going to start making some assumptions here.... Which means I might actually end up making an ass out of myself ..........Thu 04 17, 2008 11:34 am

Monpirri says on Oct 16, 2007, 05:41:

Gringoinbogota, you must live in your own world if you do not want to believe what happened in Melgar. You cannot hide it; you can blame the newspaper, the DNA, the witnesses and everyone else but the soldier
By the way, since you read a lot about things that happen around the world, US soldiers have raped several girls before, one account that I remember happened in Germany and in another one in Japan…

"The guys could be guilty but they are not guilty until proven to be guilty and raping a girl 12 year old girl by two men over a period of five hours should take an investigation of about 5 seconds by a qualified doctor to know if it happened that way or not."

MAC

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

Tinto (Moderator) says on Oct 16, 2007, 05:44:

Monpirri - Yes, rape could easily be proven, but if the 12 year old (supposedly hanging out in a disco at midnight) was being sold by her parents, would the parents have marched her down to the hospital right after she got home? Was the girl kidnapped or did she freely leave the bar with the men? Were the cops looking for her from midnight to 8 a.m. or was it normal for her to be gone all night? Lots of unknowns in this story.

Monpirri says on Oct 16, 2007, 05:48:

US soldier's rape sentence cut due to Iraq stress
By Robin Pomeroy | March 7, 2006
ROME (Reuters) - A U.S. soldier who raped a Nigerian woman in Italy was given a lighter sentence because the court deemed his tour of duty in Iraq had made him less sensitive to the suffering of others.

According to an Italian court document obtained by Reuters on Tuesday, James Michael Brown, a 27-year-old paratrooper from Oregon stationed in northern Italy, was sentenced to five years and eight months for rape in February 2004.
Brown beat and handcuffed the woman, a Nigerian resident in the town of Vicenza. He raped her vaginally and anally and left her to wander the streets naked in search of help.
The crime would have earned him an eight-year sentence, but the judges reduced the penalty due to the "extenuating circumstances" of the psychological effects of Brown's year of service in Iraq, the document said.
Brown, who is being held at a U.S. military prison in Mannheim, Germany, may never serve his rape sentence as, under Italian law, he may be allowed to return to the United States pending an appeal to the conviction.
In a detailed explanation of the reasons for the sentence, the judges said U.S. soldiers in Iraq faced "a guerrilla war against an invisible enemy, conducted using all means, to which there is still no end in sight, which is extremely wearing for the occupation troops."
"For about a year, the professional role of parachutist Brown was not just to kill and capture the enemy, but also to avoid unpredictable ambushes set using all kinds of methods."
"The prolonged psychological stress to which the accused was subjected and the lowered importance he ended up giving to the life and wellbeing of those around him can only have influenced the committing of the crimes."
Brown's lawyer, Antonio Marchesini, denied the soldier had used his term in Iraq as an excuse for rape. "Before it was accepted, there was a detailed examination of his personality," he told Reuters.
Marchesini said he was "partially satisfied" with the ruling. He had hoped to further reduce the sentence due to his client's diminished responsibility.
Brown is set to be discharged from the army, Marchesini said.

http://www.boston.com/news/world/europe/articles/2006/03/07/us_soldier...

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

Monpirri says on Oct 16, 2007, 05:48:

Yep, we can find all the unknows and let them go scott free.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

Tinto (Moderator) says on Oct 16, 2007, 05:52:

Monpirri - You are reading something that I did not write. Unknowns do not equal innocence. I have written probably three times already that it's unusual for this story to break six weeks after it occurred. Either the testimony of the girl and her family is on shaky ground or the wheels of justice move very slowly in Colombia and we'll have to wait until the investigation is over and charges are filed.

webmanco says on Oct 16, 2007, 05:52:

You are right only in Hollywood.

The guy at El Tiempo is wasting his time. He should be making a lot of money writing screenplays for Hollywood.

I am sure the newsmen gave it a lot of though before putting on print a news like this one, also I am sure they gave the benefit of the doubt, but after gathering more posible evidence they thought gettting it on print was fine.

Power, Drugs, and alchool make people do things, regardless of passport color.

El Diablo es sucio y la carne es débil.

But, I'm going to start making some assumptions here.... Which means I might actually end up making an ass out of myself ..........Thu 04 17, 2008 11:34 am

Tinto (Moderator) says on Oct 16, 2007, 05:56:

If I recall the story correctly, there was one active duty soldier and one ex-soldier. The story didn't say who employed the ex-soldier.

Monpirri says on Oct 16, 2007, 05:58:

In the states and in any part of the world stories are disseminated when it's appropriate! For instance, in the states sometimes a story breaks up several years after the incident. Come on, are you trying to hide this?

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

Tinto (Moderator) says on Oct 16, 2007, 06:09:

How could I hide anything? That makes no sense.

It does seem unusual, though, that one week after the story broke Colombian prosecutors, the U.S. military, the U.S. embassy, the Colombian media, the Colombian military and lawyers for the alleged rapists haven't said anything about this case. If the police were informed about the case right away, why does it take six weeks to file charges and get things moving? That's a question, Monpirri, not a conspiracy theory. If the guys are guilty, they can be executed for all I care, but sometimes testimony from children is recanted. I could show you cases from Connecticut to Florida to Washington state where adult lives were ruined based on children that were coached into making terrible false accusations. The legal cases were overturned but the reputations of the adults are still trashed. So....in the situation at hand, they're either being extra careful before they press charges or maybe there are no charges at all.

Monpirri says on Oct 16, 2007, 06:10:

GIB I was not talking to you because if you read carefully my answer it talks about a story that was released now since Mr. Tinto was cross examining the reason the story was published now.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

Monpirri says on Oct 16, 2007, 06:22:

You guys can waste all your time trying to justify the rape or trying to questions the circumstances behind it, the newspaper and blah, blah but the truth of the matter is that this does happen in the military and civilian sector and I'm not anti US, I’m just talking about a rape issue here nothing else!

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

Tinto (Moderator) says on Oct 16, 2007, 06:30:

Yes, Monpirri, no one said it doesn't happen. I posted two or three links in a different thread. Cases in Korea, Japan and the Philippines where the soldiers received from 3.5 to 40 years jail time. There is a large variance because they were tried locally and sentenced according to local laws.

Monpirri says on Oct 16, 2007, 06:31:

Ok, GIB I meant to say you guys are trying to defend the rapist.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

Tinto (Moderator) says on Oct 16, 2007, 06:35:

It's a good thing you didn't pursue law as a career, Monpirri. Your reading comprehension and propensity for unfounded accusations would have been serious obstacles to success.

Monpirri says on Oct 16, 2007, 06:38:

Tinto you are going in circles with such unknows and variances. First, the newspaper credibility, second, the release of the story, third, the local laws, what's next?

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

morphus says on Oct 16, 2007, 06:43:

Colombians molest Americans too. We don't make a big deal. Remember this?

http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/colombian-pervert-arrested-in-ea...

Tinto (Moderator) says on Oct 16, 2007, 06:44:

Like I said (numerous times)

- If they're guilty, throw the book at them. Life in prison, execution, whatever the normal penalty is.

- they haven't been charged yet, no one is talking, there are a lot of unknowns, so don't rush to judgment
-------------------------

I will leave you with a quote of the day. It comes from a first-rate writer from Saint Paul, Minnesota:

“The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function."

Monpirri says on Oct 16, 2007, 06:45:

Ooop, there is a fourth reason, crime of scene, you said something about the an active duty soldier and one ex-soldier. I am glad this is just the Internet and I must admit it's fun dealing with cyber lawyers.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

Desideria (Moderator) says on Oct 16, 2007, 06:50:

It was in the nespapers, so obviously something happened, something is being investigated. I can't think that this is just something a reporter of a leading daily nespaper cooked up to brighten a slow day or some sinister FARC conspiracy to smear the good name of lovely US soldiers. If it involved a 12-year-old-girl, two soldiers (of any nationality) and sex it's a criminal act, whichever way you look at it.

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

dwmte7 says on Oct 16, 2007, 09:55:

this is better than 'all my children' and 'as the world turns'

dw

dwmte

poco says on Oct 16, 2007, 10:10:

Quote: poco...it wasn't about the love cabin...it was about how what ever was said, was spelled, that left me in the dark.

Notice,,,, Corrected Post, Corrected Post:
I'd hadn't condered (edited: The word ""condered" should have been spelled "considered" thanks for pointing this out) elmo might have a PBH version of a "stabin cabin". on his profile.

----- Sorry Morphus, it was not my intent to imply you had vultures in your stabin cabin or should that be stab'n ?-----------

Glad to see the Stabin Cabin has MODERN furnishings, Victorian sucks.


D7, I corrected the misleading post. I know you've been around for years. I did remember seeing somewhere that you'd been "out of town" or "sick" or ???

"Violence is the first refuge of the incompetent" - Isaac Asimov

podborski says on Oct 16, 2007, 10:11:

maybe this will make you feel better monpi, International manhunt for canadian pedophile:

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/interpol_manhunt

looks like the police are doing a lot to stop this stuff.

What I find interesting is that it seems these guys are always caught by pictures they put on the internet.

Some people think there is more child abuse going on with the advent of the net. I really don't know, but I think it's the same amount but more in the open. And if it's in the open they can be caught.

slguy says on Oct 16, 2007, 10:27:

"It was in the nespapers, so obviously something happened, something is being investigated. I can't think that this is just something a reporter of a leading daily nespaper cooked up to brighten a slow day or some sinister FARC conspiracy to smear the good name of lovely US soldiers. If it involved a 12-year-old-girl, two soldiers (of any nationality) and sex it's a criminal act, whichever way you look at it."

Pretty strong words. So- every report that gets investigated is evidence of a crime? Come on, Desi- you're smarter than that. Set aside your anti-American bias for a moment, and try to remember that there are more possibilities than just American soldiers raping a girl- or is "innocent until proven guilty" a concept that doesn't apply when it's Americans we're talking about?

Nobody has so much as presented evidence of a sexual encounter yet. No witnesses to anything but the girl leaving a car, with a vague, unconfirmed description of the car. And a writer with an obvious agenda.

I hope none of your family is never in the wrong place at the wrong time, and gets convicted of anything with zero evidence.,....

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

Monpirri says on Oct 16, 2007, 10:29:

Podborksy, here's a better one and this one happened in Colombia.
Sex Tourist from Canada Charge with Offense in Colombia
http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/sex-tourist-from-canada-charge-w...

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

Desideria (Moderator) says on Oct 16, 2007, 10:53:

According to the article, yes, there's no doubt that there has been a sexual encounter, according to Paola Rueda , a psychologist at the Comisaria Familiar of Melgar. Yes, there's wittnesses who testify that the soldiers brought this girl into the base at 4 A:M. to do what???? PLAY PARCHESE? No, slguy, I'm not smarter than that. Sorry to disappoint you. And no, one more time, I have no anti-American bias.


How many of you guys that comment on this article here have actually read (and understood it) in Spanish?

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Robert Jorge says on Oct 16, 2007, 12:12:

My questions are: Did a physician examine the child? How did a US soldier, or two, get a civilian minor on a secure base at 4am? If they did indeed get a the girl on the base, why aren't the incompetent or corrupt guards being prosecuted? (Seems at the very least dereliction of duty, if not being accomplices in a crime.)

Anyway, if found guilty, I hope those guys rot. I am just not too quick to assume everything is "cut and dry". I want to hear what happens and then I will decide if these guys are probably guilty or not.

dwmte7 says on Oct 16, 2007, 13:48:

just out..."two soldiers arrested for sodomizing cows in el retiro..."

ya'll take it from there. there's no evidence, but one heresay witness said he heard about it from the gate guard at the dam...the guard has not been contacted as yet.

dwmte

RAAAY says on Oct 16, 2007, 16:28:

gringoinbogota says on Tuesday October 16th, 2007 16:25:

I don't doubt the possibility the girl had sex but that and rape are two different things



Sex with a 12 year old is rape......

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

pedro says on Oct 16, 2007, 16:42:

Desi is right. If there was sex, no matter what the circumstances, then those guys are in legal trouble.

It would be interesting to know other details that are left unsaid, like:
- was the disco in Melgar a puteria?
- did money or gifts change hands?
- how old did the girl claim to be?

Those details are not going to stop the soldiers from being convicted. But they do give more context, plus tell us if there are local villains in the story (I bet there are).

However, a local doing this shit is not really news. A foreign soldier doing it is news, especially if he has immunity or will be prosecuted outside of Colombia by court-martial.

¡save pow wow!

RAAAY says on Oct 16, 2007, 16:47:

Rape is sexual intercourse without consent or with indifference to consent............
The difference between healthy sexual contact and rape is not the sexual act, but the lack of consent.............A 12 year old does not have the mental capicity to give consent.................just one of the reasons why I prefer them older.........13 and up

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

robi666 says on Oct 16, 2007, 16:51:

Pedro, so funny, I just made exactly the same questions and then decided not to post... :-)
There was another question: was her mother going to make the same claim if the men were Colombians, that is no way to get much money from the story...

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

Man Tequila says on Oct 16, 2007, 16:54:

Pedro's questions are good ones. A local doing these things may not be newsworthy, but the act is equally despicable and deserving of justice.

pues se me antoja que sus cantares son de una tierra desconocida, y yo le dije si a usted le inspira, saber la tierra de donde soy... con mucho gusto y a mucho honor...

RAAAY says on Oct 16, 2007, 16:58:

gringoinbogota says on Tuesday October 16th, 2007 16:49:

................. " maybe they were just stupid "


You think...??

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

Monpirri says on Oct 16, 2007, 20:45:

Well, I have noticed that this thread still going strong and I also noticed that the other post that was deleted for unknown reason had important phone numbers to call and important websites to visit in case one day someone in Colombia including foreigner residents would find this information useful. We hope next victim will not be your daughter or son. Here are the important contacts:

Info on reporting sex crimes and exploitation of minors to DAS:
Call the DAS with info at 4088000 ext. 3417
Let's do everything we can to prevent Colombia becoming another Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia or Costa Rica....
In Antioquia:
Medellín (Seccional)
Calle 19 No.80A 40
Tel: 340 22 01
email: secantadm at das.gov.co
Servicios: Asuntos Migratorios
Horario: 08:00 a las 11: 00 horas y de las 14:00a las 16:00 horas
Apartado (Puesto Operativo)
Calle 95 No.97-06
Tel: 828 20 30 / 8281394
Servicios: Identificación
Horario: 07:30 a las 12: 00 horas y 14:00 a 18:00 horas
Turbo (Puesto de Control Migratorio)
Wafe Naval Turbo
Tel: 8 27 38 15
Capurgana (Puesto de Control Migratorio)
Cabaña La Caprichosa
Tel: 824 38 38

Rionegro (Puesto de Control Migratorio)
Aeropuerto Jose Maria Córdoba
Tel: 562 29 03

http://www.pedofilia-no.org/
http://www.protegeles.com/
http://www.asociacion-acpi.org/
http://www.cibercentinelas.org/

Credits: Caritadeangel and Flor de Colombia

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

pedro says on Oct 16, 2007, 21:02:

I would expect Colombians reporting a sex crime against minors to report it to the Fiscalía.
http://www.fiscalia.gov.co/

Now since your source was CaritadeAngel, I'm not surprised she put the above DAS contacts (which is concerned only with the visa status of foreigners). Her standard rant was to get uptight about gringos being in Colombia and she was pretty ignorant about most things in Colombia.

I *am* surprised Monpirri, as a Colombian, you didn't see the error in her info.

¡save pow wow!

Monpirri says on Oct 16, 2007, 21:06:

Thanks Pedro for posting that information. Do you have other sites or phones numbers?

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

pedro says on Oct 16, 2007, 21:16:

Here is a useful page on their site which is on topic:

¿Qué hacer en caso de violencia sexual?
http://www.fiscalia.gov.co/pag/entidad/qhviosex.html

En Santa Fe de Bogotá, las víctimas de estos delitos pueden acudir
al Centro de Atención Integral a Víctimas de Delitos Sexuales,
ubicado en la Dg. 34 No. 5-18 Teléfonos: 2880557, 2324011 o 2322478.


There's a denuncias link for e-mail, but I think you would get a more effective response by reporting in person.

¡save pow wow!

Monpirri says on Oct 16, 2007, 21:24:

CaritadeAngel has my respect and this is what DAS does:

If you’ve ever traveled to Colombia, then you’ve seen the DAS, the government’s Administrative Department for Security. As soon as you get off the plane, DAS employees are there to stamp your passport and, perhaps, to ask why you’re visiting.

The DAS does much more than stamp passports, though. It is a powerful agency, a sort of “secret police� institution founded in 1960. Its principal purpose is intelligence and counterintelligence, both domestic and international. However, it is also a law enforcement body whose agents have judicial police powers – they investigate crimes and can arrest and interrogate people. The DAS also provides bodyguards and security services for high government officials and other people at risk.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

Monpirri says on Oct 16, 2007, 21:27:

Again thank you posting phone numbers in Bogota as well.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

goin_south says on Oct 16, 2007, 22:08:

This entire thread leads me to believe that child sexual abuse is EVEN MORE prevalent in Colombia... you think?

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

Peter (Moderator) says on Oct 16, 2007, 23:39:

Wow long thread!

GIB: "the whole thing was a waiste of US taxpayers money." -> I agree, but for different reasons than you perhaps. Remember that a BIG part of those "billions" of dollars flow right back in to American military contracters' pockets.

"So the US should make it clear EVERWHERE in the world that you are all on your own." -> Hey we agree again! Two things to agree with in 1 GIB comment, who'da thunk it? :)

Poor but snappy

goin_south says on Oct 16, 2007, 23:45:

Hey Peter; be nice :-))
And, have a good day.

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

morphus says on Oct 17, 2007, 04:43:

It might be a case of a underage pro and selective enforcement!

gringolondinense says on Oct 17, 2007, 04:45:

I blame the parents.

morphus says on Oct 17, 2007, 04:50:

She might not have parents. That might be why Colombia allows underage prostitution to a certain extent.

webmanco says on Oct 17, 2007, 05:35:

Hey Peter, watch out, or you might be label as anti something,!


it is so easy to label people around here.

Still I am sure it was not a Farc News Flash.

But, I'm going to start making some assumptions here.... Which means I might actually end up making an ass out of myself ..........Thu 04 17, 2008 11:34 am

dwmte7 says on Oct 17, 2007, 05:41:

well, gib....she is a poor/abused kid. can you really imagine being twelve years old and making such decisions on your own. hardly...she has been driven by family--if any--and life circumstance. you can't tell me that the soldiers didn't know she was a youngster. you can't think a twelve year old is twenty, no way. a little sympathy for the child.

dwmte

robi666 says on Oct 17, 2007, 06:00:

Right, Douglas, and you know that, anyway, if the story was with some Colombians, the mother was not going to make it public and it would have hardly got into the news...
The mother was going to handle it in a different way, let's say with precaution, without showing up too much.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

Miguel says on Oct 17, 2007, 08:20:

"Brave reporters in Colombia....bullshit. I take back my previous statement."

Brave reporters in Colombia should be or are:

1.Currently living in exile in the USA or other countries. My reporter buddies from Colombia now living in my city are currently employed as doormen at salsa clubs or they are detailing cars. I am referring to reporters threatened by paracos or the FARC.

2. Dead.

3. Soon to be dead.

4. On the take.

webmanco says on Oct 18, 2007, 05:36:

Another newsflash by FARC´s newscenter

http://www.eltiempo.com/nacion/caribe/2007-10-18/ARTICULO-WEB-NOTA_INT...

But, I'm going to start making some assumptions here.... Which means I might actually end up making an ass out of myself ..........Thu 04 17, 2008 11:34 am

Man Tequila says on Oct 18, 2007, 11:36:

There was a news article yesterday about an alleged Canadian pedophile in Korea, part of an international manhunt. He was teaching English, and showed despicable photos to two people who called Interpol. Calling Interpol may also be an option on tourists engaged in child prostitution.

pues se me antoja que sus cantares son de una tierra desconocida, y yo le dije si a usted le inspira, saber la tierra de donde soy... con mucho gusto y a mucho honor...

dwmte7 says on Oct 18, 2007, 19:09:

if this is the same dork that's been in the news of late, he gets shit canned in korea, takes off for thailand/cambodia, rapes about 200 young boys (alleged) and posts the 'pudding' on the net. he's not only a lower than low-life, he's dumb as shit.

they unravelled his disguised photos and now both good guys and bad guys are looking for him. wonder if he'll be safe in general population?

dwmte

Man Tequila says on Oct 18, 2007, 20:48:

Hope not. Doubt it.

pues se me antoja que sus cantares son de una tierra desconocida, y yo le dije si a usted le inspira, saber la tierra de donde soy... con mucho gusto y a mucho honor...

billyb says on Oct 19, 2007, 05:31:

They just found him in Thailand.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071019/ap_on_re_as/interpol_manhunt

webmanco says on Oct 19, 2007, 06:19:

Another Farc induce propaganda

http://www.eltiempo.com/internacional/otrasregiones/noticias/ARTICULO-...

China arresta a estadounidense

Entre tanto, en Hong Kong, las autoridades arrestaron al pederasta estadounidense Kenneth John Freeman, uno de los fugitivos más buscados de Estados Unidos que de inmediato fue extraditado a su país.

Freeman, sobre el que pesan cargos como el abusar sexualmente de su hija, filmarlo y "colgarlo" de internet (hechos que tuvieron lugar en E.U. hace varios años), fue arrestado a su entrada en la ex colonia británica, procedente de la parte continental china, el pasado mes de mayo.

But, I'm going to start making some assumptions here.... Which means I might actually end up making an ass out of myself ..........Thu 04 17, 2008 11:34 am

morphus says on Oct 19, 2007, 06:41:

Hopefully, they will sentence him in Thailand. If they send him back to Canada he's sure to get off easy.

dwmte7 says on Oct 19, 2007, 06:44:

as for myself, i don't think the fate of one of these sick pedophiliacs would be any different if caught by the farc than if caught by the u.s. or other developed countries. in fact, i think they (farc) would find pleasure 'drawing and quartering' one of these loosers. if not something worse.

dwmte

morphus says on Oct 19, 2007, 06:49:

FARC would just hold him for ransom. I'm sure a wanted fugitive is worth a lot.

bufalo says on Oct 19, 2007, 15:07:

OK, last week in neighboring Circasia, a pinchy pueblo here in El Quindío, a 20 YO chick disappeared while going to work, they found her almost 4 days later tortured, raped and dead. She had been dead for less than 24 hours when they found her - so she was thrown around quite a bit for a long time befor dying - I'm seeing her mom next week.

On "Avenida Centenario", a big avenue here in Quindío, a 17 (?) YO was told she had a cleaning job in a construction site. Her neighbor brought her there. When the girl saw noone was around and smelt something fishy, the guy attacked her, tortured her and physically abused her. He then tried to kill her by stabbing her, throwing bricks at her and beating her with sticks, oh and he threw her down a flight of stairs or two as well. All this down the street from the police command. He buried her there, but didn't realize she was still alive. She escaped and is in the hospital.

Two major incidents right here locally in a week - did anyone hear about it? Only one came out in a local (dinky) newspaper. Had it been a US solider, well then it would be big. Both happened in small places where news would/should travel fast.

Point is, down here these things are not as big a deal - hence, not newsworthy. No big hooha and people calling for justice, just another day in sunny Quindío. If these things happened in a small town in the states all hell would break loose.

"If you don't like it - lump it, take it down the road and dump it." - Archie Bunker played by Carroll O'Connor

RAAAY says on Oct 19, 2007, 19:57:

CNN............TOKYO, Japan (AP) -- Japanese authorities are investigating the alleged rape of a teenager by four U.S. Marines in southwestern Japan last weekend, officials and media said Friday.



Probably more FARC propaganda.....................

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

podborski says on Oct 19, 2007, 20:33:

umm I believe the very valid point is RAAAY, only sex crimes committed by US or Canadian citizens are actually actively prosecuted and make international headlines.

The rest go unnoticed.

So who's committing the bigger crime?

Man Tequila says on Oct 19, 2007, 23:08:

Well, I don't know if all crimes committed by Colombians get off scot free -- it is only a crime for women under fourteen, which sets the bar uncomfortably low. But it is easy to believe that it is selectively enforced. Colombia, a country of 46 million, so perhaps 23 million women (rumours of a 9:1 ratio are just that), allegedly has one million girl children selling their bodies, according to this website. I might believe 4% of Colombian women are prostitutes, but children?

http://www.wunrn.com/news/2007/09_07/09_17_07/092307_colombia.htm

This number is hard to believe, but what do I know? A 2003 BBC report discusses "at least 50,000", but it is unclear where the age cut off is. It is certainly a problem, and the number of Colombian convictions is pretty small according to this.

http://www.unhcr.org/cgi-bin/texis/vtx/refworld/rwmain?page=country&am...

Fundación Renacer, a support group for child prostitutes, quotes 35,000. Seems a worthy cause, but seems to have to fight for funding.

http://fundacionrenacer.org/explotacion_cifrascol.htm

pues se me antoja que sus cantares son de una tierra desconocida, y yo le dije si a usted le inspira, saber la tierra de donde soy... con mucho gusto y a mucho honor...

goin_south says on Oct 19, 2007, 23:25:

as miguel would say: 'WGAFF?'

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

Man Tequila says on Oct 20, 2007, 01:53:

Oh, I'm sure miguel wouldn't be quite so tactless.

pues se me antoja que sus cantares son de una tierra desconocida, y yo le dije si a usted le inspira, saber la tierra de donde soy... con mucho gusto y a mucho honor...

Monpirri says on Oct 20, 2007, 04:43:

Mantequilla you have spent too much time on this research and it’s obvious that the articles that you’ve posted focus on Colombia, but as of matter of fact, the articles are prime examples of the media or news from certain groups with an appetite for child prostitution in Colombia because as you know this happens in Canada, Japan and other developed countries.
Child prostitution is a problem that affects the world both developed and developing countries.

Child pornography: an international perspective


II. SCOPE OF THE PROBLEM

Child pornography is an international phenomenon. Most of the data that exists regarding the extent and nature of the problem has focussed on North America and Northern Europe--regions which have played a key role in the production, distribution and consumption of child pornography. "The U.S. market for child pornography is widely thought to be the most lucrative in the world." Child Pornography and Paedophilia: Report Made by the Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, U.S. Senate, 99th Cong. 2d Sess. 34 (1986) [hereinafter U.S. Senate Report]. In developing countries, the reality of child pornography is dwarfed by the magnitude of other problems such as poverty, infant mortality, illiteracy, hunger, and disease and often there is little reliable data on the subject. Nonetheless, the pornographic exploitation of minors is a phenomenon that exists throughout the world.

As to the gender of the victims, Federal Bureau of Investigation ("FBI") personnel estimate that over 50% of all child pornography seized in the United States depicts boys rather than girls. Canadian Customs puts that figure at 75% for Canada. The data regarding childhood sexual abuse in most countries, including the U.S. and Canada, does not reflect the same predominance of boy victims. Virtually all studies have...


http://www.crime-research.org/articles/536

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

webmanco says on Oct 20, 2007, 05:28:

Copperfield
Another victim of Farc´s media tricks, maybe the guy was instructed while in Colombia.

http://hitsusa.com/blog/200/david-copperfield-rape-charge/

The guy is not guilty until proven otherwise.

But, I'm going to start making some assumptions here.... Which means I might actually end up making an ass out of myself ..........Thu 04 17, 2008 11:34 am

RAAAY says on Oct 20, 2007, 08:51:

podborski says on Friday October 19th, 2007 20:33:

....... " only sex crimes committed by US or Canadian citizens are actually actively prosecuted and make international headlines.
The rest go unnoticed........."



Pod......This is really not true............Child Pornography , Paedophile and trafficiking of children for sex rings have been uncovered and prosecuted all over the world. Many many instances in Europe and the former Eastern Bloc countries have been reported. All of these have been prosecuted, involving both organized rings and individuals.

Invarably, there is a relatively high number of US and Canadian citizens being caught. Not because of any desire to highlight them because of their nationality. But more because the population of the US and Canada is approx 340 million people, who, because of their economic ability can travel in greater numbers around the world to indulge in their sick activities. Perhaps also, because the FBI are no fools, and they work with local agencies in various countries to stamp out these animals.

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

dwmte7 says on Oct 20, 2007, 09:06:

ain't all this a fuckin shame?

dwmte

podborski says on Oct 20, 2007, 09:09:

I was making a very big generalization of course. Just seems the news coverage is lopsided.

What you say might be very true RAAAY, it would be interesting to see some stats though.

Might also be the age demographic for North america is such that there are more middle aged people or something?

I'm certainly happy to see these guys get caught, but it doesn't make a lot of sense to me that one rape gets international headlines because the perpetrator was american, while thousands of ´domestic' rapes get no or very little attention. I'm not singling out Colombia, I'm sure it's true almost everywhere.

But then, it's also true if an immigrant in Canada commits a crime, it makes big headlines.

RAAAY says on Oct 20, 2007, 09:30:

American news agencies, CNN ,Rueters, AP, Fox etc have a presence around the world. It is newsworthy to them when an American citizen gets caught doing something horrific somewere.

It's not newsworthy to them when a French man gets caught doing something in Botswana.

They are in the news business.

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

bufalo says on Oct 20, 2007, 09:37:

I just happen to notice that it is so in the open down here and that there are many practices that may lead to the sexual abuse of children. If children constantly see young girls dating geezers, impregnated by them and nothing happens, then they grow up thinking it is OK (especially when mom and dad don't do anything about it or even push their daughters into it), combined with a culture where it is not usually punished and acceptable to do such is just a really dangerous situation and to be topped off where the men seem to take advantage of such conditions is just a really dangerous situation - that is what I see here in Colombia.

OK so in Colombia the age is 14, but please even 19-20 YO have no real clue what they are doing in this respect.

Sorry but in the states I don't see 50 YO men closing in on young girls (14) in the center of town, looking down their shirts and saying sexual comments in front of everyone - I see it here every single day. I also blame the idiot moms that let their girls dress so that these geezers, (who the moms definintely know exist because they do this in front of them too) can try to take advantage of these kids. A vicious cycle.

"If you don't like it - lump it, take it down the road and dump it." - Archie Bunker played by Carroll O'Connor

Monpirri says on Oct 20, 2007, 10:38:

Bufalo, as I said in the other post that was deleted, marriage with young girls happens all over the world, you GUYS are just overwhelmed with your research and the novelty in COLOMBIA but If you visit or read about this type of sexual abuse of children, it happens in the states in places like Utah, Arizona and so on.

"Sorry but in the states I don't see 50 YO men closing in on young girls (14) in the center of town, looking down their shirts and saying sexual comments in front of everyone"

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

Desideria (Moderator) says on Oct 20, 2007, 11:03:

Happened, but not as much as before. It's a rather patriarchal view on marriage, when a young bride is considered having many advantages, not only her health and fertility, but also because the elderly husband may be able to dominate her and finish her upbringing; she'll be his creation. I think many people get confused with the different motivation for may-dec alliances: before the emancipation and empowering of women it was rather the norm in the society to marrya woman several years of your junior; it was even smart thinking about the maternal/infant mortality. The patriarchal marriage is the kind most of us middle-aged and older people grew up with, and if it was happy and stable we instinctively try to emulate our own parents in our own lives. But the world has spun around a couple of times since then, and what was good for the pops and mums is not what works in the modern society.

Colombia presents a very specific and complex picture of socioeconomical dynamics where the women's emancipation arrived and made inroads, but was not brought to the levels of USA or weatern Europe because of the economic disparity and arrested development. Thus, it's only the middle-class and upper-class girls that enjoy the benefits of empowering; their poorer sisters are still trying to cling on to the age-honoured practices of hooking a breadwinner hubby using their youth, beauty and power of seduction.

Yes, there are ignorant women pimping their pre-teen daughters on the streets of every city in Colombia. It's a big social problem and cannot be swept under the rug or pretend that it does not exist. It's not as widespread as child prostitution in some other countries but the day the streets of my Cali turn ito a marketplace of Colombian children selling their bodies to foreign or national customers, I will sell my house in Cali and turn my back to that country that I have loved for so many decades. Before that, however, I would join Carit'as crusade to keep paedophiles and other scum away from Colombia.

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

RAAAY says on Oct 20, 2007, 11:12:

By PAUL QUINLAN

Palm Beach Post Staff Writer

Saturday, October 20, 2007

St. Lucie County sheriff's deputies arrested a 20-year-old man accused of offering to pay an 11-year-old girl waiting at a school bus stop for a lap dance.

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

vicshere says on Oct 20, 2007, 11:38:

crap
"looking down the shirts of 14 year olds''
does that make me a pedophile

listo

Desideria (Moderator) says on Oct 20, 2007, 11:52:

Yeah, kind of. Suspect.

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

RAAAY says on Oct 20, 2007, 11:52:

BU student charged in alleged assault on New York girl, 13
Police say they met on website
By David Abel, Globe Staff | October 18, 2007

A 20-year-old Boston University sophomore appeared in a New York court yesterday on charges that he sexually abused a 13-year-old girl

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

Man Tequila says on Oct 20, 2007, 11:53:

Monpirri, no one is denyng this is an international problem. I have seen cases of pedophilia in my emergency room, and since malparidos are everywhere, it happens in every country. The links I posted do not suggest otherwise, and it seems to be a bigger problem in India, Thailand and some other countries than it is in Colombia. The links, which people are free to ignore, were a response to the claim that Colombia only focuses on tourists who commit these crimes, when in fact they do focus on some Colombians too, particularly those engaged in "child trafficking". I believe that in Bogota, curfews for children were created between 11pm and 5am to try to reduce this problem -- but this solution does not address the poverty and refugee situation that creates the problem.

pues se me antoja que sus cantares son de una tierra desconocida, y yo le dije si a usted le inspira, saber la tierra de donde soy... con mucho gusto y a mucho honor...

RAAAY says on Oct 20, 2007, 11:57:

Glendale Heights man to be sentenced in abuse of boys

Tribune staff report
October 20, 2007


GLENDALE HEIGHTS - A Glendale Heights man faces up to 30 years in prison when he is sentenced next month for sexually abusing two young boys.

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

RAAAY says on Oct 20, 2007, 12:01:

Child sex suspect appears in court

October 18, 2007


LAS VEGAS, NEVADA - The man accused of abusing a 3-year-old girl in an explicit sex videotape was arraigned Wednesday on 23 felony charges that could land him in prison for life.

Chester Arthur Stiles, 37, did not enter pleas during the two-minute hearing in Las Vegas Justice Court.

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance