Brasil, Chile and Spain worried about US Bases in Colombia

Darloup (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 3, 2009, 03:57:

davidyamiga says on Aug 3, 2009, 06:37:

I do not understand all the complaining. The US had a similar base in Ecuador for several years. Did the US attempt to take over Ecuador? Or Venezuela? What damage did the US do while in Ecuador? The spent billions of dollars which boosted the local economy.

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billyb says on Aug 3, 2009, 07:05:

Brazil's foreign Minister says that the FARC receiving anti-tank rockets from Venezuela is inconsequential. Of course he would be singing a different tune if they were being used against their army. But it just shows that they don't give a shit about Colombia's plight, so fuck them and their concerns.

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Pappassito (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 3, 2009, 07:22:

ATX Ken says on Aug 3, 2009, 08:34:

Speaking as an ex US Army serviceman I only hope that any current and future US Military stationed in Colombia will conduct themselves appropriately here. In other words no bar fights, acting like drunken fools, disrespecting the locals etc etc. I know that is asking a lot of young men far from home and history has shown that my hopes will likely go unanswered but hey one can hope right?

Although I should say it also depends on the kind of troops that are stationed here. If it is SF trainers or something similar then I would not worry about any breaches of protocol or whatnot. But station your average grunt down here and it is only a matter of time before they do what comes natural to a grunt.

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Darloup (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 3, 2009, 08:43:

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billyb says on Aug 3, 2009, 09:59:

Darloup, I also like Lula, but it just goes to ahow that countries need to only worry about their own objectives, because when it comes down to it, your neighbors are only doing the same and are worthless as friends. It crakcs me up when people say countries have friends, no, people have friends, countries have convergent and divergent interests and that alone determines how they will behave with each other.

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davidyamiga says on Aug 3, 2009, 10:41:

Darloup...I did not know that the US ruled Germany and the UK. Since when? Where did you come up with this information? Like Tom Cruise said...SHOW ME THE MONEY

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theflatline says on Aug 3, 2009, 11:26:

davidyamiga

I think you missed the sarcasm in Darloup's post.

He was joking. His point is those countries have US bases and that that the US is not running them.

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theflatline says on Aug 3, 2009, 11:52:

azuno,

he had to be kidding, he cannot be that froggy.

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Sonny says on Aug 3, 2009, 14:23:

Maybe we should just cut off the Billions of US dollars we send to the complaining countries and let them deal with their own mess. Brazile get so much money from the USA it would fall apart if we pulled the plug on the money. What is the difference? Money or a military base? A military base(s) in Colombia is a good thing. It can only make the relationship between our two countries better. It may even ease up on trade issues.
If a special Opps force(s) ( which I was glad to be a part of) is brought in then there will be no problems but ANY place there is a military base from any country there are bars, whores and fights. It is a way of life not just the life of US Military forces.

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ferran says on Aug 3, 2009, 15:27:

Hell a few gringos can do shit, I say bring the whole area 51 complex to Colombia and start flying them UFOs over Venezuela and the rest of those pinko sour pickled tomato lovers countries and you will see how quick everyone starts dancing to a different tune, even the FARC will be running off to Ecuador scared shitless of those little gray aliens.

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coffee beaner says on Aug 3, 2009, 15:48:

I wonder why Brazil and Chile aren't asking question of why the FARC had 4 AT-4's belonging to Venezuela.... hmmm.

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quantum says on Aug 3, 2009, 16:22:

If and when I have good and stable neighbors like Brazil and Chile, I think I would be well advised to listen to them, and at least hear them out. Were not talking about Chavez or Correa here.....and how can we be sure that Colombians really want U.S. military bases here? Why not put it to a referendum? If the country as a whole says yes, then who am I to argue?

quantum

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makopp5 (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 3, 2009, 16:52:

whitewidow says on Aug 3, 2009, 17:09:

"What damage did the US do while in Ecuador? The spent billions of dollars which boosted the local economy"

- The USA did massive amounts of damage to Ecuador, including financial, economic and environmental. The military is there to protect the interest of the multinationals who move in to bleed the country of its resources, dumping its toxic wastes and bi-products into the prisitine rainforest and delicate ecology habitats that are now irreversably and forever damaged due to monetary greed. In fact, almost 40% of the current GNP of Ecuador goes to pay interest on loans to the World Bank and the IMF.

- Oh, and the USA assasinated their President as well a few years back..... as well as Torrijos in Panama.

This is old world political and economic posturing for the sake of the all mighty (or not) dollar.

The game has not changed folks, but the stakes are much higher.

It is by no uncertain accident that these additional bases come in the wake of some rather large loans issued by The World Bank to Colombia. Wait till they default and the rape begins to occur of Colombia. You think it is bad now? Wait.....

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quantum says on Aug 3, 2009, 17:44:

x 10......

quantum

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whitewidow says on Aug 3, 2009, 17:47:

much of that has been recent, with 07 being a bumper crop year.

what will be different from the countries mentioned above? hopefully alot...... but only time will tell. colombia is full of natural resources and the usa wants them...... all.

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whitewidow says on Aug 3, 2009, 17:56:

correct, but the usa has the world bank and imf as their loan sharks and henchmen, not to mention the military. see a pattern?

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makopp5 (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 3, 2009, 18:23:

whitewidow says on Aug 3, 2009, 18:29:

what similar things?

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makopp5 (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 3, 2009, 18:37:

whitewidow says on Aug 3, 2009, 18:40:

got specifics on these items being provided to colombia? how much $$ has china given to colombia?

there are many raping and pilaging in colombia right now, but the usa has been at the forefront for a while now.

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makopp5 (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 3, 2009, 18:45:

whitewidow says on Aug 3, 2009, 18:47:

i am not privy to china's past dealings with those countries. in fact, i have not studied much about china recently in terms of their imperial motives.

any good books out there on the subject these days or past?

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makopp5 (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 3, 2009, 18:51:

whitewidow says on Aug 3, 2009, 19:01:

so, no good books? probably not in medellin anyways....

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makopp5 (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 3, 2009, 19:17:

Dolfi says on Aug 4, 2009, 03:01:

It is quite understandable that Chile and Brazil are worried about growing US military presence on the continent, as both countries suffered for decades under fascist military dictatorships that where installed with US help (see f.e. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_Brazilian_coup_d'état) and enjoyed.

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billyb says on Aug 4, 2009, 06:24:

" Oh, and the USA assasinated their President as well a few years back..... "

WW, can you help us out here, what President of Ecuador was this that the CIA assasinated, do you have a name? None is coming to mind. I really hope you didn't join the ranks of PBH posters like ByronK who post BS in hopes nobody notices, and instead you are just mistakingly thinking Allende was Ecuadorean and not Chilean.

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whitewidow says on Aug 4, 2009, 07:00:

BillyB - comparing me to BK is like comparing you to ronrumron, amigo. I am familiar with the Allende regime as well as the ensuing Pinochet dictatorship in Chile.

Jaime Roldós Aguilera (November 5, 1940 - May 24, 1981) was President of Ecuador from 10 August 1979 to 24 May 1981. His death in a plane crash has given rise to accusations he was surreptitiously assassinated. The Ecuadorian Roldosist Party is named after him.

Born in Guayaquil, Ecuador, Roldós was a reformer. He was threatened more than once by personal enemies.[citation needed] Roldós and his wife founded the People, Change and Democracy Party or Partido Pueblo, Cambio y Democracia in Spanish. In 1981 during his presidency, the Paquisha War with Peru broke out. Later that year, his Air Force plane (variously identified as either a Beechcraft King Air or an Avro turboprop) crashed in heavy rain near the Peruvian border. All nine people aboard perished.

Many Ecuadorians claimed that Roldós' death was actually an assassination carried out by the United States Central Intelligence Agency in retaliation for Roldós opposing U.S. oil companies and displeasing the U.S. government. Roldós had entered into a pact with neighboring Colombia and Peru, a pact which US President Reagan saw as a tilt toward the Soviet Union. American author John Perkins alleges in his book Confessions of an Economic Hit Man that Roldós was assassinated by a bomb located in a tape recorder. Just months after Roldós died, another Latin American leader who had been at odds with U.S. interests in the control of the Panama Canal, Panama's Omar Torrijos, died in what was allegedly just a plane crash, which also is widely perceived to have been a CIA conducted assassination, again according to John Perkins. But among Ecuadorians believing that Roldós had been assassinated, there were those who blamed forces within the Peruvian government[citation needed].

Roldós was succeeded as President by Osvaldo Hurtado.

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Colombiano_81 says on Aug 4, 2009, 08:01:

Correa had an interview a few days ago with el tiempo newspaper. Anyways I heard on the radio in a taxi cab that he told the reporter off record that he has continuosly asked the Colombian government to pass Ecuador the files of the Reyes computer. The reason, he says, that Uribe doesnt want to give Ecuador the files, is because Lula is mentioend alot in these FARC files. He is apparently protecting Lula from something.

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billyb says on Aug 4, 2009, 08:14:

WW, never meant to insult you with that comparison, but you claim that the CIA killed him and as proof, and all you give us is this?

"Many Ecuadorians claimed that Roldós' death was actually an assassination carried out by the United States Central Intelligence Agency"

God forbid that small planes maintained by assbackwards countries like Ecuador would ever crash from bad weather. Do you have anything better than this?

"American author John Perkins alleges in his book Confessions of an Economic Hit Man that Roldós was assassinated by a bomb located in a tape recorder"

What proof does he give to back these allegations? What makes him credible in your mind?

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davidyamiga says on Aug 4, 2009, 09:18:

WW has a hard on for the US. She has to find fault with everything. Guess she likes Chavez and Correa. May be WW should move there.

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whitewidow says on Aug 4, 2009, 11:03:

"What proof does he give to back these allegations? What makes him credible in your mind?"

- He was in the know, but he offers no hard proof in the book. If he did, he might get whacked too. Read the book and decide for yourself his credibility. I believe it and I am a hard granny to convince.

"Guess she likes Chavez and Correa. May be WW should move there"

- You my friend have obviously been infected by the popular media and tend to debate using insults vs. facts. This is normal for sheeple........ do not feel bad. However, I would recommend picking up a few books and illuminating yourself. But, then again, sheeple do not read much............ the prefer FOX NEWS, ie. dupe news.

Besitos

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cali1010 says on Aug 4, 2009, 11:33:

Why the panic? I'm sure that anyone that knows some of the history on how the U.S has intervened in many of Latin America’s governments historically would know that the U.S did not exactly always do the right for the people but instead for the interest held by the U.S in Latin America. The U.S historically always supported right wing governments and certain coups even when governments were elected democratically. Now, with knowing the history it's no surprise that many countries are upset with Colombia. In most of Latin America there is a history of military coups supported by the U.S. From Ecuador to Chile this has been the case and now that the left wing governments are ruling these countries it’s no surprise to see their opposition. However, I think that these governments need to understand Colombia needs the U.S in order to make the country safe, not only for its people, but also to protect the right to invest in Colombia and become prosperous. Colombia has a problem that no other country has in Latin America has the FARC, not even “Sendero Luminoso” from Peru come close to the crimes that the FARC has done in Colombia. I think that if Uribe explains why it needs to have U.S military bases in Colombia the over governments might understand.

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romy says on Aug 4, 2009, 14:21:

What's the problem with Colombia being annexed to the US?
ah yes, 40 million colombianos in Miami. Better just keep it as a colony.

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cali1010 says on Aug 4, 2009, 14:39:

Azuman, I completely agree with you. That is why I stated "Historically", but some of the things that the U.S has done has left deep scars that will take time to heal.

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cali1010 says on Aug 4, 2009, 14:48:

Azuman, here's ant exert from what happened to the father and of current president of Chile Bachelet and what pinochet did at the coup that was supported by the U.S:

The government of Salvador Allende placed Bachelet's father in charge of the Food Distribution Office. When Augusto Pinochet came to power in the September 11, 1973 coup, General Bachelet, refusing exile, was detained at the Air War Academy, under charges of treason. Following months of daily torture at Santiago's Public Prison, on March 12, 1974, he suffered a cardiac arrest that resulted in his death. On January 10, 1975, Bachelet and her mother were detained at their apartment by two DINA agents, who blindfolded them and drove them to Villa Grimaldi, a notorious secret detention center in Santiago, where they were separated and submitted to interrogation and torture.

If that was part of my family I would also worry some.

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cali1010 says on Aug 4, 2009, 15:02:

Azuman, I agree with you on that point. Chile would not be the country that it is without his dictatorship. Chile is not as rich as Bolivia, Peru, Brazil, Ecuador or even Venezuela when it comes to natural resources, but they have been good at marketing and globalizind their few products like their major exports grapes and minerals and managed to have a growing economy and a strong military.

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whitewidow says on Aug 4, 2009, 15:02:

cali1010 - he was one of thousands that got tortured and killed.

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JGD (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 4, 2009, 15:07:

cali1010 says on Aug 4, 2009, 15:11:

Yes he was, I know there are many more thousands "desaparecidos" who's families are still trying to find their whereabouts or remains.

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billyb says on Aug 4, 2009, 19:04:

A fellow president who isn't a piece of shit.

Presidente Alan García expresó su apoyo a Uribe

Elpais.com.co-AP

El presidente de Colombia, Álvaro Uribe Vélez, recibió este martes el respaldo de su par peruano Alan García al iniciar en Lima una gira por siete países de Sudamérica, para explicar a sus gobiernos los alcances de un eventual acuerdo entre su país y Estados Unidos para la utilización de bases colombianas por parte de militares estadounidenses..............

http://www.elpais.com.co/paisonline/notas/Agosto042009/presidentealang...

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makopp5 (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 4, 2009, 19:06:

billyb says on Aug 4, 2009, 19:07:

On the flip side, I present the little backstabbing biatch of Ecuador.


Ecuador
Gutiérrez divulga video de vínculo de Correa con las Farc


Mientras que el presidente de Ecuador, Rafael Correa, negó ayer que las Farc hayan aportado US$400.000 a la campaña que en el 2006 lo llevó a la Presidencia y aseguró que Colombia busca por todas formas involucrar su país en un conflicto ajeno, el ex presidente de ese país Lucio Gutiérrez difundió un video panameño que lo vincula con esa organización guerrillera colombiana....

http://www.elpais.com.co/paisonline/notas/Agosto042009/inter1.html

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makopp5 (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 4, 2009, 19:15:

whitewidow says on Aug 4, 2009, 20:01:

Garcia sure is a big dude. He looks like a giant next to Uribe.

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Dolfi says on Aug 5, 2009, 01:35:

As yet there is no evidence that the aerican attitude to Southamerica has chagend in reality.

"Asked by a reporter if he wanted to apologize for CIA involvement in Chilean elections, Mr. Obama did not do so.

"I'm interesting in going forward, not looking backward," the president said. "I think that the United States has been an enormous force for good in the world."

"I think there have been times where we've made mistakes, but I think that what is important is looking at what our policies are today and what my administration intends to do in cooperating with the region," added Mr. Obama."

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/06/23/politics/politicalhotsheet/ent...

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suizo says on Aug 5, 2009, 01:45:

Hopefully, their attitude does not change...Look how far it brought Colombia: Thanks to the US, colombian special forces will be fighting in Afghanistan against the Taliban by the end of this year. Isn't that a great achievement for the colombian people?

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suizo says on Aug 5, 2009, 05:42:

OK...azunoman...I agree. But maybe Colombians should make Colombia a better place first...

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suizo says on Aug 5, 2009, 05:59:

...but still waaayyy to go.

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billyb says on Aug 5, 2009, 06:12:

"Dolfi says on Aug 5, 2009, 01:35 (today): flag

As yet there is no evidence that the aerican attitude to Southamerica has chagend in reality.

"Asked by a reporter if he wanted to apologize for CIA involvement in Chilean elections, Mr. Obama did not do so., "I'm interesting in going forward, not looking backward," "



When asked if he apologized for his country being responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of innocent civilians in Europe over the past century, Dolfi said "he wanted to talk about the future, not the past"

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whitewidow says on Aug 5, 2009, 07:01:

afghanistan war = opium profits

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billyb says on Aug 5, 2009, 07:07:

For whom?

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whitewidow says on Aug 5, 2009, 10:23:

cia of course

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billyb says on Aug 5, 2009, 11:15:

I don't put it past the CIA/Trilateral-Commision/Zionists/Military-Industrial-Complex, or whomever is supposed to be running the world nowadays being greedy or evil enough to do something like that, but I am amazed and in awe at the capacity of 'truthers' to set aside logic and common sense whenever it gets in the way of a good "theory". So by this theory, the powers that be spent hundreds of BILLIONS of DOLLARS and a couple of thousand lives just so they could make a couple hundred million or so in drug profits? I mean we are talking about the meanest, smartest, greediest capitalists on the planet no? These powers that be, may be all these things, but one thing they are not, is bad businessmen, so how to explain how they would think this is a good business proposition?

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cali1010 says on Aug 5, 2009, 12:26:

Colombian special forces in Afghanistan fighting against the Taliban?? There's still a lot of work to do in Colombia.

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whitewidow says on Aug 5, 2009, 12:43:

"These powers that be, may be all these things, but one thing they are not, is bad businessmen, so how to explain how they would think this is a good business proposition"

- first off, these guys could give 2 shits about human lives. second, i guess the opium biz is BIG BIZ. i have seen some quick data on opium production pre vs. post afghanistan invasion and they are "eye-opening". however, i never saw the references to the data.

and remember, afghanistan was not the original target, iraq was. there is alot of motivation to conitinue the war for many more years as it has already netted the banking cartel in excess of 1 trillion dollars in money loaned to the US govn't.

i certainly don't have all the details, but the banking cartel has a long, long history of this shit, so there really are no suprises here. however, what is critical now is the extraordinary and massive debt that has been ran up to record highs. this is what the majority of citizens do not fully understand and there is no doubt that the next generation will be doling out substantially more in taxation across the board to cover this generations mistakes at the very highest levels.

our founding fathers would be turning over in their graves if they could see what is going on today in washington dc

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billyb says on Aug 5, 2009, 13:43:

"and remember, afghanistan was not the original target, iraq was. there is alot of motivation to conitinue the war for many more years as it has already netted the banking cartel in excess of 1 trillion dollars in money loaned to the US govn't"

Ok then, first you say "afghanistan war = opium profits", implying that that was the motivation for the war in Afghanistan, but now you say thet Iraq was the real motivation instead of Afghan drug profits? Which motive is it? Also, you are saying that these Masters of the Universe (the so called Banking Cartel) were behind the the war in Iraq so they could lend the US a trillion dollars, that, being as all powerful and all knowing as they are, they would surely would have known that they would be paid back, if at all, in nearly worthless dollars, another not so profitable proposition. I am starting to think these Puppet Masters are not so bright and powerful after all. I mean, are these the same geniuses that went bankrupt betting on mortgage backed securities?

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ferran says on Aug 5, 2009, 18:26:

The Banking cartels are behind every single war that has been fought in the last two hundred years, they lend the money to both sides, who ever wins has to to pay the loosers debt, its a win win deal, very simple. if you want to believe or not thats the reality and it makes no difference what you believe.

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whitewidow says on Aug 5, 2009, 19:09:

billyb - there is a much bigger picture here. way too much to try and explain in a forum thread. i can only refer you to about a half dozen videos and 10-12 hours to cover most of what i have uncovered.

obviously ferran is in the know and has some background knowledge. i suggest that people who truly want to know the truth...... go out and seek it as it will not find you. if it does, then it is more than likely too late and you are already fucked.

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ferran says on Aug 5, 2009, 21:04:

WW they are already fuck and screwed, the majority of the world population are owned by the banks, it makes no difference which country you happen to be from, its all the same, as long as there is printed money, is theirs.

THE SO CALLED TRUTH IS A BIG LIE

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billyb says on Aug 5, 2009, 21:12:

Ferran, why don't you tell us how you in particular are so well placed to not get fucked by "them". Do you have billions in gold bullion stashed somewhere deep underground waiting for the day of reckoning? This front a an average guy scratching out a living and spending his day posting on here like the rest of us "unknowing" schmucks is just a front, and you secretly are another George Sorous, moving around billions in Forex at the stroke of your keyboard? Or is it all just one big fantasy?

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ferran says on Aug 5, 2009, 21:59:

Everything has conditions, so I'm gonna asked you one thing BilliB,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,DO YOU KNOW HOW TO KEEP A SECRET?

SO DO I.....................................

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Dolfi says on Aug 6, 2009, 00:53:

Billy, ask any chilean (and any other Latinamerican so far) who he wants to apologize to his country.

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billyb says on Aug 6, 2009, 07:34:

Chile is a million times better off today than it would be had they let Allende turn it into Cuba Lite. Could they have handled it better? Of course. Now back to Germany, where is your apology?

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Dolfi says on Aug 7, 2009, 03:41:

I don´t have to apologize for anything because as everybody can see I am not of the political right which was responsible for WW II, while you obviously support the kind of policies that led to Pinochet´s dictatorship and 5000 dead chileans.

Did you ever read "100 Years of Solitude"? There is a very lively chapter in that book about the killing of 1000 colombian banana workers in Ciénaga near Santa Marta in 1928. They where on strike and the colombian military gunned them down on request of the United Fruit Company, see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_massacre

It´s allways the same pattern in Latinamerica: national oligarchs allied to US capitalists opress the people. All through the 20th century and still going on today in Colombia.

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makopp5 (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 7, 2009, 03:54:

billyb says on Aug 7, 2009, 06:27:

Ok, dolfi if you don't want to apologize for your cousins, the right wingers, then maybe you would like to apologize for your brothers, the left wingers who brutalized and killed their own people under the name of the German Democratic (there's a laugh) Republic. Didn't you serve in their Stazi?

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goin_south says on Aug 7, 2009, 21:12:

be careful of the all-knowing, soothsaying... ferran.... illusionario.

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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