Bogota - Culture Capital of the New World!

Zach says on Jul 1, 2008, 13:08:

That's all well and good...but Bogota is still cold.

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dwmte7 says on Jul 1, 2008, 17:21:

sure lets me know what you know about london, paris and new york......bogota on an even level? sorry friend. better luck next time.

dwmte

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TobyBoy says on Jul 1, 2008, 18:00:

I have lived in London, explored its most bohemian underbelly and and even been a member of Boodles (club). I know London, and though it does have a superior music scene to Bogota, London cannot match it with the rest. As for Paris, I am half French, and I have always loved Paris to death, so I do not say it lightly when I say that after you remove all the pretty monuments, and you compare Paris to Bogota, you will discover a surprising ontlological verite, with Bogota a vivrant city, an original city, more avant-garde in its artistic prowess than probably any place on the planet (it is not Tokyo immitaiting NYC or Paris), and therefore, Bogota, in my opinion easily rivals Paris or London. I have been in the international art world for over forty years, and though this may not have been the case before, it is defiantely now. Bogota has arrived.

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TobyBoy says on Jul 1, 2008, 18:02:

Oh dwenty7, and if you read my first intro more closely, you will find that I am a native New Yorker. Please beleive me, Bogota has more than the casual viewer can dsicern.

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Simon says on Jul 1, 2008, 18:40:

"That's all well and good...but Bogota is still cold."

If Bogota is "cold", then what the hell are NY, Paris, Toronto, and London?

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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gringoloid says on Jul 1, 2008, 18:57:

people from NYC like myself are going to probably prefer Bogota. you can take the man out of the ctiy, but you can't take the city out of the man.

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TobyBoy says on Jul 1, 2008, 19:03:

...Gee, well said Gringold! Thx!

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TobyBoy says on Jul 1, 2008, 19:20:

-Hmm, great to haer this Rubito, I obviously still have much more to learn about Bogota, What a joy! E specially since I love MOST music (except perhaps American Country). It will be exciting to expereince the music scene as soon as I get back to Bogota. Truth be told, I just started to do the homework about Bogota & its music. I am a bad Toby. Thank you Rubito (-Oh Canada!...)

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christobeldawg says on Jul 1, 2008, 19:29:

The art and music scene is definitely more progressive and experimental in Bogota. Paris and New York and London are a little too stifling of true creativity nowadays. This original poster statement is obviuosly a stretch, but it would be cool to think that Bogota could become what Paris was in the 1920's. I could see it.

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

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christobeldawg says on Jul 1, 2008, 19:36:

I bet it's where Hemingay and Fitzgerald and those ex-pats of the 20's would be gong now. They wouldn't be going to Paris.

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

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dwmte7 says on Jul 2, 2008, 05:52:

well, maybe i needs qualify my opinions a little. when we speak of culture, i--maybe it's age--tend to start at the top and work to the bottom. classic culture starts with music, art/sculpture and dance. we are currently in exile in florida from our home in medallo and although daytona beach can claim a symphony orchestra and ballet dance troup. that is NOT THE SAME as the met, the london symphony or french national. and as relates to ballet, common, even medallo and bogota have very fine symphonies and orchestras. but the same applies. they are not the met or any of the others.when it comes to painting and sculpture, i personally place colombia (in general) way out with the front of the pact, as i just love colombian art and sculpture. my wife has her masters from belles artes and is a statement in herself of this quality. and when it comes to music. well to be honest, i never spent enough time in bogota to evaluate the music. it's not that i'm not an appreciator of modern music, it's just that i love colombian music in general and salsa in particular, over all else. it's the 'happy' music. i grew up on country music, coming as i did from an agricultural backwater. there, you have to play the music backwards so the guy gets his dog back, his girl/wife, truck and house back. otherwise, played normally, it's just the living pits. he loses it all. suck city. with salsa, it's just the opposite. it's always up. it really displays that attitude, so colombian, against all odds, of positivity.

but, in parting, let me say to you fellas, toby and rubi, if we're gonna hang and enjoy a drink or two or maybe some party favors, it's gotta be in antioquia, where REAL colombians live. i will go to bogota if i have to go to the embassy. other than that, it's just one big cold city with a whole lot of folks with a whole lot of attitude. i spent 40 years of my life working all over the world and trust me, i've had enough of attitude. living up country from medallo in los llanos, is just perfect for me. i have real friends of many years and we truly enjoy our time together and no body has to prove squat to anyone else. never saw that in the capitol. fin

dwmte

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morphus says on Jul 2, 2008, 06:15:

Bogota is the culture capital of the new world? What other cultures can you find in Bogota besides Colombian? I saw mostly Colombian.

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TobyBoy says on Jul 2, 2008, 07:30:

Dwente; Thank you for your advice and candor. Nevertheless, despite the fact that I love Medellin also, as I love all of Colombia, you have to understand that I am a big city boy, and that my formative years (especially as a boy) were in New York City, Paris and Bogota. You obviously know very little about the long history of classical music in Colombia, and in particular in Bogota. Yes, it is true that it was very expensive once upon a time to ship pianos all the way up the Magdalena river to Bogota, but please understand that myself, as an avid classical music lover, was stunned to return to Bogota to discover so much classical music, ballet and chamber orchestras. It easily rivals New York in volume and in quality. And please note, that Lincoln Center and the Julliard School of music (in Manhattan) are so familiar to me that they were even my playgrounds as a boy. Now as an adult I can compare and contrast thing much better. The Metropolitan Opera House, like Avery Fisher Hall in NY C are very lousy acoustically, and while they certainly house world-class performers, you should also know that so does Bogota with its plethora of excellent venues. Did you know that New York never had anything like Bogota’s “el Teatro (Cristobal) Colon� for its Operas? …how many operas have you attended Bogota’s Colon and the Met to be able to judge?
Perhaps you do not like the cold of Bogota, but that is your choice. For me, it is the best temperature in the world (and I could never live in Florida or anywhere in the Caribbean). Please understand that we all have different tastes and needs, but that should not prevent us from seeing the wonderful reality about Bogota. I have heard some of the finest Bach Oratorios in my life in Bogota, and I hope you one day give warm Bogotanos a better chance to show their sophisticated hospitality, without prejudice or preconceptions. After all, there are MORE REAL Colombians being born in Bogota every day than in Medellin ...it is simply a statistical fact.

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dwmte7 says on Jul 2, 2008, 08:14:

friend, no contest. i forward credit where credit is due. trust me, if you fancy that the wife and i like being away from home (antioquia) you could not be more wrong. it's just a decision we make in favor of the education of our youngest who's still at home and currently in a private catholic school here. she's a airforce academy candidate and has been accepted at georgetown. so we stay here til she's off to university...

aside from that, i contest nothing you say regarding dedicated artists in what ever medium.excellence is a hallmark of those who dedicate themselves...si o no. acoustics, not withstanding, excellence is never hidden. and i will be the first to promote colombians over others simply because i love colombia, and seek her advancement in all areas. starting with the campesinos with whom i've dedicated many, many years, helping.

please bear in mind, bogota was my introduction to colombia....i was a guest at the enauguration of pres. caesar gaviria, in 1989. i felt in those days as i do today, the attitude of it's inhabitants is much cooler than that of the paisas. that's why i spent the last 19 years in medallo and it's surrounds. i worked all over the world and for me, one big city is pretty much like another, after all is said and done. they're just big cities with all the problems which go along with size and crowdning....you know what i mean if, as you say, you've lived in several foreign capitols. that all being said, i leave bogota to the bogotanos and antioquia to the paisas.

dwmte

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TobyBoy says on Jul 2, 2008, 08:21:

-Thank you so much Dwente for your touching aknowledgement. Like I said, I also love Antioquia, but now I also urge you to travel through Quindio, if you have not already. I also want to help Colombia, and the poor everywhere, so were are deifnaltey muy Colombianos. Congratulaitons to your wife and all my best on your endeavors!

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TobyBoy says on Jul 2, 2008, 08:24:

Hi Morphus …You pose an excellent question. However, I am not clear if you are addressing “Cultural� diversity or ethnicity, so I will briefly address both.

Well, if you look closely at Colombian art-culture you will definitely find great diversity. The great Colombian Architect Salmona was actually French-born, Martha Trava was Argentinean, the International Theatre Festival is the most competitive, sought-after international event in the world (where only the best companies are allowed to go to Bogota), and the Book Festival is also one of the largest cultural international events in the world, just to name a few.

If you are addressing ethnicity, Colombia happens to be one of the most diverse countries on the planet, when compared to the rest of the nations of the world. There were many Danes (from Denmark) that first arrived in Colombia along with the Spaniards, in fact, the Savannah of Bogota was purchased by Jimenez de Quesada form a Dane explorer (a little-known fact). Over the centuries (and remember that Colombia was colonized long before the USA), many other nationalities emigrated to Colombia. The Chinese, and the Japanese (the latter, particularly after reading a beautiful Colombian Novel) arrived in Colombia from the Pacific side. Over the centuries, the French, Italians and Germans came in large numbers, in fact it was with their help that Colombia had the first Air force in Latin America (created to defend Colombia when a Peruvian dictator erroneously decided to attack Colombia), and it was also with their help that Colombians created Avianca, the second oldest airline in the world (after Air France). Colombia was also refuge to large numbers of Syrians, Lebanese and Turks, all who emigrated to Colombia for a better life. One Colombian President (ha, and Shakira) are of Middle Eastern decent. Jewish people from around the world have found Colombia unusually welcoming, initially to Medellin and Cali (during the Spanish Inquisition). And in more recent years, Colombia was one of the rare countries to welcome Jews fleeing the Nazis. Colombia never turned back the boats (as we did in the US), and many Jews settled in Bogota and Barranquilla (-a famous Colombian photographer named Erika Diettes recently published a beautiful compendium photo-documenting this event). Then there are the Swiss, who fell in love with Colombia and came in droves (and for the Swiss, that is a lot to say). The outskirts around Bogota were found ideal for their dairy farming (and Colombia today has one of the best, as the French DANONE discovered), and the Swiss helped build the ablecars systems, and now even have monuments in Bogota erected to them. There are also many wonderful descendants from Africa as you know, as well as Canadians, Swedes, Lithuanians, Poles, Russians, etc. etc, living and prospering in Colombia today. Given the fact that Colombia is perhaps the most integrated society in the world, it is no wonder that you might not detect all this right away. However, if you explore the bustling culinary scene, particularly in Bogota (which is finally bringing a lot of tourism), you will begin to deliciously savor it.

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morphus says on Jul 2, 2008, 08:58:

With all this diversity, why is everyone worried about gringos going there?

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kalder says on Jul 2, 2008, 09:31:

"I am in a particularly good place to compare and contrast, as I have owned Art Galleries and theatre companies in both New York City and Paris, and I have spoken French, English and Spanish fluently my whole life."

"So, because of my love for...personal safety, I am moving permanently to Bogota, a city I have also known very well most of my life."

"BUT the problem in France today, even with culture, is that the French are beginning to look TOO much at the USA for solutions to their many problems."

Come on, own up. Which one of you wags is responsible for that glorious comic monolgue?

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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TobyBoy says on Jul 2, 2008, 09:36:

-Gosh, you said it so well again Rubito!

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kalder says on Jul 2, 2008, 09:47:

"Colombia was one of the rare countries to welcome Jews fleeing the Nazis."

Few countries, if any, 'welcomed' Jewish refugees. Colombia wasn't any better or worse than anywhere else in this regard. They allowed a small amount in under duress from the US (which wanted to keep its own numbers down). Consult the standard texts: Gilbert's 'The Holocaust' etc.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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TobyBoy says on Jul 2, 2008, 09:51:

-Seldom, has so much been so accurately said, as you have just so wisely said it Rubito.

I am most beholden to your incredible ontological grasp of the past, present and future realities of history, geo-politics, and global culture.

As an American who is quickly seeing the disintegration of the USA, polically, economically and socially, I am torn, as I would like to save some Americans (much like saving good-thinking Germans in the 1930s) but I cannot find it in me to want to see Colombia follow in the footsteps of the US either, with the loud, pompous attitudes we bring with ourselves. Hmm, you would not believe how I was recently humiliated by the rude behaviors of my fellow Americans during my last visit to Paris. …what a conundrum.

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morphus says on Jul 2, 2008, 10:34:

Rude Americans in Paris? They're lucky I don't go there and strangle them.

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Tolú says on Jul 2, 2008, 13:50:

"If you are addressing ethnicity, Colombia happens to be one of the most diverse countries on the planet, when compared to the rest of the nations of the world. There were many Danes (from Denmark) that first arrived in Colombia along with the Spaniards, in fact, the Savannah of Bogota was purchased by Jimenez de Quesada form a Dane explorer (a little-known fact). Over the centuries (and remember that Colombia was colonized long before the USA), many other nationalities emigrated to Colombia."

This is not true. Colombia is actually one of the most homogenous of countries in Latin America. Its diversity is purely regional. There were never many immigrants after the colonial period. The republican government of Colombia was very suspicious of foreigners. The only exception was Barranquilla, but even there the impact of immigrants was minimal in terms of demography. While Argentina, Brazil, Cuba and even Peru welcomed hundreds of thousands (even millions in the case of Argentina) of immigrants around the turn of the XIX century, in the same period, only 895 immigrants total lived in Colombia.

Source: http://www.colarte.com/recuentos/Colecciones/ETNIAS/xItalianos.htm

There was a small wave of refugees from Eastern Europe after WWII (like the family of Mockus), but even then it wasn't very significant.

Let's not change history to make Colombia into something it's not! It's beautiful and diverse in its own way.

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LDW says on Jul 2, 2008, 13:59:

kalder...re: Your post of July 2, 9:58:

Surprisingly, one of the most welcoming countries for Jewish refugees was Argentina. Argentina gets a lot of criticism for having allowed in Nazis during and after WW2, but during the war they let in about 50,000 Jews. To be sure, they did not make it easy for them to get there, but those who were able to make it there on their own were allowed in.

Buenos Aires still has quite a large Jewish population. I believe that the only city in the world (outside of Israel) with more Jews is New York.

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Jul 2, 2008, 14:10:

I don't think there are very many Jewish people in Colombia. The state had been pretty hostile to everyone but Catholics until fairly recently. According to the link below there are perhaps 5000 Jews in a country of 42 or 43 million.

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Due to the unstable economy and violence against Jews, many Jews have left Colombia. In the mid-1990s the population was 5,650 and, in the early twenty-first century, the Jewish population has decreased to 4,200. Most of the Jews that have left have gone to settle in Miami and other parts of the United States.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/columbia.html
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Somewhere (I won't be able to find the source) I read that Colombia was the most homogeneous country on the continent with less than 5% of its residents non-native born. I don't know if that's true and to me it doesn't make any difference. I hope Colombia doesn't change too much - who needs another wannabe NYC, London or Paris...?

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huskie says on Jul 2, 2008, 17:21:

Mr Toby: I think you are over rating a little about Bogota, Paris London etc....yes Bogota has a wonderful art/theatre/opera and a whole lot of good artists, writters, composers etc. I grew up in Bogota, but left in the 70's and believe me I would never ever go back to to live there. As far as Medellin is concerned, my whole family is Paisa, and for your information, we have in Medellin the same talent or better than in Bogota, more authentic and original. Bet you did not know that Medellin has an Opera Season? tons of art Galleries, libraries, etc, they may not have a Teatro Colon or a Luis Angel Arango Biblioteca, but do you know who Luis Angel Arango was? A paisa!
I have traveled and lived in many different countries, including the USA, Eastern Europe, Middle East and Asia and I can tell you, there are many, many places where the Arts are far better than all the places you have mentioned. My humble opinion
Cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

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dwmte7 says on Jul 2, 2008, 17:30:

oh, oh, oh.....that's my girl. she never lets me down. tell me once again, my sweet, just how glorious is medallo. you make me so damn home sick.....................

dwmte

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huskie says on Jul 2, 2008, 18:15:

Jajaja, ditto, ditto, dittooooooo!!
Cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

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elmodefoque says on Jul 3, 2008, 03:08:

next time i wake and feel like enjoying a mediocre version of a USA tourist trap, Bogota here i come.
if i wanted to enjoy real COLOMBIAN authenticiy, guess where i'm going?

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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elmodefoque says on Jul 3, 2008, 03:35:

barranquilla has decided to challenge bogota as the culturual capital of the new world by opening our first HOOTERS and then TACO BELL in north curramba

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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Monpirri says on Jul 3, 2008, 05:03:

Taco Cabana will be next and soon Bogota and next Medellin will the modofoque paradise of fast food joints.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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Tolú says on Jul 3, 2008, 06:10:

Since when is it even the cultural capital of Colombia? Make sure no Paisas or Costeños are around. Bogotá likely has the best high culture and globalized art-house culture, but as far as popular culture and the culture of the street? Are you kidding?

When el bambuco and la guabina hat dance take the entire world by storm and even little Japanese kids are listening and dancing to it, like they do today with hip hop, jazz, salsa, punk, alternative, house, indie (all with roots in NYC), then we'll talk about Bogotá being the "cultural capital of the new world."


:P

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TobyBoy says on Jul 3, 2008, 08:00:

Hi Tolu, I like you charming comments but as as native New Yorker that was even part of the genesis of hip-hop (embarrassingly long ago), please believe me that NYC has nothing on Bogota. Jazz did NOT come from New York, and, other cities such as Paris did more for Jazz than NYC. As for salsa, punk, alternative, house, and many others, I do not think you have any idea how MUCH of that has been thriving in Bogota for decades …and hello, Salsa is defiantly NOT from NYC. Oh and by the way, Vallenatos and many other Colombian music IARE BEING PERFORMED and mimicked in Japan, but especially in Germany (-so you can just imagine what lies around the corner).

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kalder says on Jul 3, 2008, 08:03:

I wouldn't be rushing to claim a hand in the 'genesis of hip-hop'.

It's dreadful shite.

(And I'm reckoning Japanese vallenato runs a close second.)

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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TobyBoy says on Jul 3, 2008, 08:23:

I totally agree Kalder, I just happened to be there, and I was a young hyper kid from the East Side sneakign uptown to the Bronx without permission from parents It was fun though (at the time).

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Tolú says on Jul 3, 2008, 08:32:

Hey Toby. As another native-born New Yawker and also as someone of recent Colombian descent (my mom was born in Bogotá, but my family is originally from Cartagena), I have to disagree respectfully.

1) I'm glad to hear about Japanese and Krauts getting into vallenato. BUT vallenato comes from along el Cesar...what the hell does that have to do with Bogotá?

2) Salsa most certainly DID originate in NYC, at the Palladium downtown in the 1960s. It emerged among the unique mixing of Puerto Rican, Cuban, black American, and even a little Jewish and Italian people coming together--a combination that can occur nowhere but NYC. You should know this.

3) Paris may have saved Jazz from obscurity, but NYC put its indelible stamp on it like no one else (when you think of the Jazz Age, you think of Manhattan, specifically Harlem). Bogotá has yet to be at the vanguard of ANY major form of art or music. Yes, there are punk/alternative/etc. subcultures. But, I'm sorry, they're derivative and do not stand out. Why not? I have no clue.

4) It's unfair to the rest of Colombia to make such pronouncements, especially given the truth that other parts of the country have been FAR more creative, culturally, on the world stage. Take caleña-style salsa. When it was introduced to Cali in the 1960s from NYC, local, anonymous geniuses of dance (mostly BLACK) from the *streets* took it and put a new spin on it that showed the world "how it's really done." So much so that today Cali is considered the world capital of salsa. It's clear to everyone that Cali has a spirit of innovation and creative passion that emerges organically. Can we say anything similar about Bogotá?

Bogota is not there yet, in my humble opinion. I hope it is in the future. That would be a great thing for the country. To say that it is above NY and everywhere else is pure exaggeration and lunacy (unless you really DO work for the tourism board :P which would make sense). Right now it suffers from a neurotic identity crisis, like all other parts of the world that try to aspire to be what they're not. It needs to find its own voice and learn to thrive in its own way. What you said about it being, "one of the most diverse countries on the planet, when compared to the rest of the nations of the world" and then bringing up fucking Swedes, Danes, etc. as if they had anything at all to do with Colombia is really characteristic of a certain self-hatred. Bogotá is not Paris or London or New York or Buenos Aires or Rio de Janeiro. Colombia is not Argentina or Uruguay. And thank God. It is itself.

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TobyBoy says on Jul 3, 2008, 09:47:

I appreciate your effort Tolu, but I also respectfully disagree with your comments, so here are my responses, in your pre-described order:

1. First of all, since you refer to Germans as Krauts, then I really should not even stoop down to address your comments, and as a matter of fact this will probably be final post on this forum because I have a lot of other things to do and I find it at times too mediocre, thanks to commentaries such as yours). I DO NOT approve when Latinos are called “Spics� in the US, and I am certainly not going to be a hypocrite and let you get away with calling Germans Krauts.
2. Salsa did NOT originate in New York, although the first style of dancing that would LATER be called “Salsa� did, as it was a term coined much later, when the symbiosis of dancing from Miami, PR, DR, Cuba and Colombia gave it better cognition. ONLY THEN was the first album cut in New York by Dominican flautist and band-leader Johnny Pacheco's recording sudio in the early 1970s. Hell, the Palladium was NOT EVEN OPEN YET !!!
3. Paris did more than save Jazz from obscurity, and I never denied that New York played a major role, and I certainly did not say that Bogota did. And just where did I say that Bogota was a vanguard of music? …all that I intimated is that you are grossly underestimating the history of music in Bogota (which by the way had the first female orchestra leader of a major symphony orchestra).
4. How you twist what I have said. I love ALL of Colombia, including Cali, Medellin, etc. BUT when matching apples to apples, oranges to oranges and large cosmopolitan cities, to alrege cosmopolitan cities, I say that Bogota IS the culture capital of the new world. Do you know how much Salsa is also dance in Bogota? Get real, Bogota has it all, it may not be numero una en Salsa, BUT COLLECTIVELY the city has a great vibrancy that I feel it too mean-spirited to put regional preferences above reality, and the good name that Bogota deserves on the world stage!
5. There is no neurosis in Bogota! It has elected better mayors than New York for decades! It was named the MOST progressive city on the planet a couple of years ago by an authoritative international body …so please stop being so disrespectful to a city that has already garnished Capital of the Book denomination, invented the Pace Maker for the heart and has some of the best the best eye doctors in the world. Please respect facts, even if you do not respect Bogota.
6. As for diversity, again you twisted what I said. I started to recount the CHRONOLOGIAL emigration to Colombia. Obviously you are more interested in fomenting nasty dialogue, than of appreciating history or truth.

And though we can agree that thank God Colombia is itself ...don’t expect me back on this forum, I’ve got more constructive things to do with my time, than address more of your trite comments and vulgarities.

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webmanco says on Jul 3, 2008, 10:18:

Bogota is not above or below any other cultural city, Bogotá has its own "encantos"

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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Plato says on Jul 3, 2008, 11:37:

O.k. . . . some serious commentary here. Good stuff.

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

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huskie says on Jul 3, 2008, 14:05:

Mambo Jumbo to you both Rub and Tub. You both are full, full of it.
Cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

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pedro says on Jul 3, 2008, 14:13:

It's uncanny how similar in views and writing style Toby is to PBH's own Rubito.

They've both got those CAPITAL LETTER WORDS happening, for EMPHASIS.

Toby, you want a job in Bogota playing Rubito's "mini-me"? We'll have you watch a few Andrew Dice Clay videos to spice that language up, then you'll be perfect for the part.

que nota!

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TobyBoy says on Jul 3, 2008, 14:44:

To Pedro:
-Gosh, it is incredible the silliness some of you out there can come up with. Are some of you FARC? Please do not be threatened by my or Rubitos’ superior education, life experience or intelligence. Speaking for myself, I will not be chatting on this mediocre forum for much longer. I’ve got a great life.
In any case (not that I feel I need to say this, but:), the moderator of this Forum already knows that Rubito and I have two different IP identities, and in different parts of the planet. So , please get a life. GOOD BYE!!!

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pedro says on Jul 3, 2008, 15:01:

Please get a sense of humour. Chao. :op

que nota!

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huskie says on Jul 3, 2008, 15:10:

JAJAJA, sure superior education, who are you kidding....you can not even spell or write correctly.
Superior education? my little underdeveloped ass!!!
Cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

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TobyBoy says on Jul 3, 2008, 15:29:

Hey Husky, I don’t know what your problem is and I really do not care. This is my final post so have fun after this.
For the record, I can out-spell you in English and about 7 other languages. I guess you are just not used to having bosses who write fast and don’t care about checking spelling on these silly blogs. Well, that is how it works, heck, even Einstein knew that! Hey baby, even though I know you look nothing like your booby pic., I still wish you lots of fun so go for it! …maybe you’ll finally feel something!
P.S; Oh, and can't you be a bit more orginal than having to constantly use your Troglodyte’s Ja Ja Ja all over this forum?

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huskie says on Jul 3, 2008, 15:37:

You must be oh so Bogotano, full of shit, it is not even funny, using words like "troglodyte" pretending to be somebody you are not. And for your information NO!!! I don't even look a bit like Ms Jolie I look like this


Happy now? vous êtes un tel pompeux retarde, Sie sind verlangsamt so ein aufgeblasenes, lei è tale ampolloso ritarda, Ga alstublieft weg en stop versturen hier, sleeplijn. betul?
Cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

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pedro says on Jul 3, 2008, 18:53:

The only ad hom I see in this thread is the one Toby initiated and huskie responded to? How does that relate to Bogota cheerleading?

I observed that you guys have the same writing style, minus the swear words... I don't consider that an attack.

In any case, I'm amused that Toby was fond of PBH for years (cf the original post) and now suddenly it's beneath him. Short attention span?

que nota!

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huskie says on Jul 4, 2008, 12:06:

You ara a displaced pompous human trash, chiviada? yeah right!!!!
Cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

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huskie says on Jul 4, 2008, 12:14:

That is very poor italian
Cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

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durito says on Jul 4, 2008, 13:01:

beautiful day in bogota today

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webmanco says on Jul 4, 2008, 13:07:

Bogotá rules

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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MaFe says on Jul 4, 2008, 15:44:

gringoloid says on Jul 1, 2008, 18:57: flag

people from NYC like myself are going to probably prefer Bogota. you can take the man out of the ctiy, but you can't take the city out of the man.
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Speak for yourself...I prefer NYC myself...
Bogota is nice but I don't think it's not the cultural capital of the world...

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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