Bloodthirsty American kills 2 Colombians

scotty says on Dec 10, 2007, 18:19:

were those guys Colombians? i do know that they were illegal aliens but i didnt know they were colombian illegal aliens?

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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scotty says on Dec 10, 2007, 18:21:

I wonder what would have happened to these two guys if they broke into a home in Cuidad jardin and got caught?

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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billyb says on Dec 10, 2007, 18:29:

Scotty, they were Colombians. Since we weren't there to witness it like Vlad was, we can't tell if he was actually salivating. In my book anybody that breaks into somebody else's house (oh, did Vlad forget to mention that in his headline or post?) is a scum, regardless of where he is from.

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scotty says on Dec 10, 2007, 18:41:

billyb you are right. i wonder if an american were to break into a house in Bogota and the Colombian shot the american if that Colombian would be a blood thirsty Colombiano?

i am not completely up to date on this situation either but from what i have heard on the news i have come to some conclusions.
A. the two men were in this country illegally
B the two men broke into a home and stole items
C the neighbor shot them dead

personal note, i cant take a side at this time, but i do believe the shooter should have listened to the 911 operator and stayed in his house.Im not sure if that makes him a blood thirsty americano but it sure does make him stupid.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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billyb says on Dec 10, 2007, 18:53:

I don't think he should have shot them either, but i don't want them martyred either, because they were still scum that give the rest of us a bad name.

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scotty says on Dec 10, 2007, 19:02:

good point billyb.

what weird situation, talk about a clash.
here we have this hyper, gun toting whacko meeting two illegal scumbag theives, in the darkness of night....weird!

my question for the illegals is didnt they know that just about every person in Texas owns a gun? if you want to steal for a living you should go to New York, or Calif, or Vermont, DC where guns are banned. In Texas or Arizona and other gun states you're gonna get your ass shot off.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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billyb says on Dec 10, 2007, 19:05:

I think that in Fla. you can also carry a concealed weapon. RJ, should be popping in to clarify :)

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scotty says on Dec 10, 2007, 19:18:

I believe in the right for americans to carry guns for protection, the problem is that every once in awhile you get a gun totin dude that thinks he can just shoot people.
the funny part about gun laws is that the states that have banned guns has the most crime because the bads guys now know that people cant protect themselves and their property"easy pickins".
thats why i said earlier those colomianos picked the wrong state to be stealing .

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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billyb says on Dec 10, 2007, 19:22:

And it's not like criminals, who by deffinition don't obey laws, are going to all of a sudden obey the one that says they can't have weapons, there is just no logic to it, jaja.

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scotty says on Dec 10, 2007, 19:27:

right.
in Australia they banned guns and immediately the crime went up, the Aussies were having to buy baseball bats and take karate lessons so they could defend themselves.
if you are a cimminal your best day is the day that guns get outlawed, because while all the law abiding cirizens turn their guns in the crimminals keep their guns to commit crimes.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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Lisa Zee says on Dec 10, 2007, 19:40:

That is called "neighborhood watch"

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slguy says on Dec 10, 2007, 19:50:

In florida, all it takes to get a concealed weapons permit is taking a 3 or 4 hour class, and a clean criminal record. I have one.

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BAQ says on Dec 10, 2007, 20:20:

And the problem is what exactly. FIRST, if they hadnt illegally entered the U.S. they wouldnt be in Texas in the first place. SECOND, if you are stupid enough to decide to burglarize homes in TEXAS , yea, you best expect to possibly get shot.

I KNOW I am hard line, but screw em, throw their thievin bodies in the garbage can. Just two less thugs to deal with.

And NO, this has nothing to do with them being Latin, Colombian ect, I would shoot anyone illegally entering my home, HERE in Colombia, in Texas or anyplace I hapened to be in the world. And SO WHAT if it was a neighbors house, hell, if it was my neighbor who shot a burglar takin stuff from my home, I would take him out and buy him the biggest steak and lobster dinner in town.

Semper Fidelis !

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Lisa Zee says on Dec 10, 2007, 20:45:

Ditto

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john_stark says on Dec 10, 2007, 20:49:

I thought they were Mexicans.

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 10, 2007, 20:52:

Slyguy is correct. Florida, take a class for a few hours, pay $120, more or less, background check, and you can get a carry permit that is good for 3 years. What is really cool now, is that Florida is a reciprocal state. A Florida concealed weapon permit holder can travel to about 13 other states and the Florida permit is honored and 100% legal. Most of those states are in the south and west.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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scotty says on Dec 10, 2007, 21:21:

I wonder why we havent heard any comments from Vladimiro? He started the thread calling the situation a blood thirsty american, but now he is no where to be found?

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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jay007 says on Dec 10, 2007, 21:29:

i seen the video...they were blk

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scotty says on Dec 10, 2007, 23:43:

well dogman you know how we americans are just a bunch of blood thirsty gringos, even if someone else does the crime its probably americas fault.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 10, 2007, 23:53:

The question whether the neighbor was right or wrong about shooting the burglars aside, the general rule is NEVER shoot at something you do not intend to destroy / kill. There are a dozen reasons why, but I won't bother writing a dissertation about that now. The rule is to never shoot to injure - shoot to kill.

And a leg shot is potentially fatal anyway ... hear about the football player getting killed last week in Miami during a home invasion robbery? He was hit in the leg with one bullet.

Hindsight being 20 20, maybe the neighbor should have disabled the car that the burglars were going to drive off in? While they were in the house rounding up stuff to steal, maybe the neighbor could have slashed the car tires? But it isn't the point and is just armchair quarterbacking after the fact.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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kalder says on Dec 11, 2007, 00:50:

What? He shot a couple of burglars (who may well have dabbled in a little assault and rape as well)?

I'd buy him a pint.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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scotty says on Dec 11, 2007, 02:31:

kalder you blood thirsty brit ! what are we going to do with you, you are trying to steal our reputation from us. there cant be two blood thirstys. Vladimira says we yanks are the blood thirsty ones so you just wait your turn, he'll probably get around to you sooner or later.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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scotty says on Dec 11, 2007, 02:32:

by the way kalder welcome back you disappeared for a couple of days? doing some christmas shopping or just sleeping off a good one.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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kalder says on Dec 11, 2007, 02:38:

Hi Scotty. Yeah- I usually feel a bit delicate at the weekends and tend to post less :)

Scotty- if they allowed gun ownership over here it'd be like the OK Corral. Half the citizens would go on the rampage. By morning there wouldn't be a hooligan, gang member, mugger or drug dealer left.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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scotty says on Dec 11, 2007, 02:51:

kalder, funny! im trying to picture that these good Brits chasing the thugs up and down the streets of London shooting them in the ass. maybe thats what England need a good old fashioned cleaning.
we certainly have our share of crime out here in the southwestern USA, but i will tell you a burgular or any crimminal thinks twice around here before trying something foolish, they could and often do get shot.
we had a incident at a convinence store here in Phoenix a couple of years ago. a man was talking on a pay phone and a thug came up to him and put a knife to his ribs and ordered him to give hiom his money. the guy on the phone reached for his wallet, but pulled out a gun and blew the knife man away. moral of the story if your gonna be a theif in Arizona you better bring more than a knife with you cuz 2 out of 3 Arizonans carry a gun.
i have one in my car. one in my office and two in my home, if someone wants to rob me they better come prepared.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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elk says on Dec 11, 2007, 04:06:

The shooter is going to have some very large legal bills to pay. Let's hope he isn't a home owner and is just renting....This is a dream case for a civil attorney. Even in Colombia one must use "reasonable force" to protect your life or property. (This according to the local Colombian police)

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morphus says on Dec 11, 2007, 04:26:

They deserved it. The same thing would have happened in Colombia.

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nueva york bombero says on Dec 11, 2007, 08:47:

I agree they had it coming, but he should have first ordered them to get down.
He has to live with killing these thugs and take it to his grave. No criminal charges are needed.
Their families will sue the shit out of him. The American way!!!

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BAQ says on Dec 11, 2007, 08:51:

ELK, beg to differ with ya, I spoke with the commander of the local police here in Barranquilla about force and he told me, if they are trying to enter your home, you can shoot em, no problem. If they are trying to steal light bulbs from your front porch, then less force is needed UNLESS they are armed with a weapon, and weapon being a knife, club, crow bar ect, then you can shoot them to.

Semper Fidelis !

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podborski says on Dec 11, 2007, 08:52:

Vlad could write headlines for the local rag here that is famous for headlines such as:

"3 people and a Bolivian killed"

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morphus says on Dec 11, 2007, 09:02:

If the families are in Colombia, how can they sue?

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nueva york bombero says on Dec 11, 2007, 09:04:

I don't know, but would it surprise me that they sued and won? Not really!

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morphus says on Dec 11, 2007, 09:14:

Never know

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Lowell says on Dec 11, 2007, 09:34:

Shoot to wound and you'll probably be sued and pay and pay and pay...

Alfred E. Newman. "What. Me Worry?"

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gatogris says on Dec 11, 2007, 09:42:

By far those most likely in Brazil and in the US to support the use of deadly force on criminals by "concerned citizens" are the poor, marginalized and uneducated - also by far the most likely people to be victimized by this same social sanction.

Now that's an irony you can really dig into - people supporting their own death by vigilante.

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Mr. Hollywood says on Dec 11, 2007, 10:04:

Did he drink their blood out of a goblet made out of a human skull?

I hear that's what bloodthirsty gringos usually do after dispatching a burglar.

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msaucey says on Dec 11, 2007, 10:09:

Doesn't he have to scream, citizens arrest or something, while the cops show up and then if they come after him shoot them...

I think the guy, had no idea that these guys were illegal... They just look like black guys... They weren't wearing t-shirts that said, I'm an illegal colombian.... I only saw one picture....

I think he would have probably shot anyone, race wouldn't matter...

The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis

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elk says on Dec 11, 2007, 10:14:

BAQ:

I think we received the same information from Colombian law enforcement. One can use "reasonable force" to protect his property or person. It's the same in the U.S.

You can't shoot someone in the back while he is leaving your residence with your $30.00 radio following a burglary. The guy has already committed the crime and is no longer a danger to your person. The same applies to a police officer in the U.S. (reasonable force)
The "old story" about dragging the body into your house before calling the police doesn't hold water either. Having the body inside your home might add more weight your defense, but it all comes down to "reasonable force".

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slguy says on Dec 11, 2007, 10:24:

here in Florida, a couple years ago, they passed a law that no longer requires an intruder to be physically inside one's house to be considered a threat....no more need to drag his bloody ass inside and ruin the tiles....jajajajjaja

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msaucey says on Dec 11, 2007, 11:23:

I'm glad the Jeb had his priorities in line.... His brother should follow suit... Oh, wait, ask first, reason later.... maybe he does....

The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis

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slguy says on Dec 11, 2007, 11:48:

jajajajjajajajjjajajaj

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ColombianoGringo says on Dec 11, 2007, 11:58:

My Colombian wife doesn't understand why Americans keep guns in the house. She doesn't like it, but she is just going to have to deal with it.

I don't think they have to be armed in order to be able to shoot them here in Texas. I believe that you have to "reasonably" believe that you are in danger of being harmed. I need to go ahead and take the concealed handgun class. I don't necessarily plan on packing heat wherever I go, but it would be useful to go through the class.

As far as the shooting incident, I am not sure how much trouble this guy is in, if any. Since these guys were not in his house or threating him in any way, he might get prosecuted. However, anyone, regardless of nationality, that breaks into someone else's home has no one to blame but themselves when they get shot.

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slguy says on Dec 11, 2007, 12:08:

You know, you'd think these guys would get a clue, eventually.

A few weeks ago, a couple lowlifes were robbing a Subway somewhere in S. Florida- Pompano, maybe?

A retired USMC guy, who was a regular there, stood by until he saw the opening- then popped 'em both with his licensed concealed piece. No prosecutuon, no lawyers- just two fewer assholes on the planet.

Of course grandma to one of these dead robbers cried the blues to the press about what a good boy the dead ladron was....

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ColombianoGringo says on Dec 11, 2007, 12:18:

They were always "such a good boy". The poor souls are either "misunderstood" or "got in with the wrong crowd". They were saying the same kinds of things about the POS that shot up that mall last week. The family will say anything so as to avoid owning up to the fact that they raised a worthless waste of flesh.

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aztec says on Dec 11, 2007, 12:21:

The two individuals already had a rap sheet. Not like they were virgins.

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 11, 2007, 19:18:

All states in the US have different laws on the use of deadly force. I used to be able to recite all kinds of facts about that ... but it has been 15 years since my CJC classes at BSU. I do know in most localities, if somebody is inside YOUR residence, they can be dealt with with deadly force without criminal repercussions. In Florida, if the bad guy is not inside your domicile, you must be able to show that you were reasonably in fear for your or other's lives to be able to shoot the bad guy. The recent law that somebody mentioned above about Florida was essentially a clarification, that said a person in Florida has the right to defend themselves with deadly force before being shot at first. In other words, if carjacked in Hialeah, you can shoot the SOB before the carjacker decides to shoot you. (Just an example) A person doesn't have to wait for deadly force to be used upon them before defending themselves. The law makes a lot of sense.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 11, 2007, 23:12:

Ball State ... former #1 party school in the US. Oh ya, and we have a good architecture, Tcom, education, and business school too.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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slguy says on Dec 12, 2007, 09:56:

Isn't that Letterman's alma mater?

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 12, 2007, 10:04:

Yep, Letterman went there. They just named a new complex after Letterman. I think it is the Letterman telecommunications complex. He was a Sigma Chi. Needless to say, they had the nicest fraternity house when I went there. My fraternity, Sigma Nu, was more like the Animal House on campus. We would get drunk on weekday nights and paint the white Sigma Chi cross black, or throw poo on it.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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Miguel says on Dec 12, 2007, 10:19:

You don't get out much!

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webmanco says on Dec 12, 2007, 10:27:

Well so much for this macho man talking, shooting in the back, regardless of who you are shooting does not make it right. Unless you know for sure you are aiming to an armed robber, and you are sure that your love one lifes are in danger.

What the man did was not the more intelligent thing to do. And not, it is not a matter of being afraid of robbers, is a matter of doing the right thing given the circunstances.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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Colombiche says on Dec 12, 2007, 10:39:

I don't think he shot them in the back, but it seems the guys were trying to escape when he shot at them. He basically shot them because he didn't want them to get away.

Scum as though these guys were, they were still human beings. I don't think the shooter's life was in immediate danger.if it had been then I would understand the need to shoot. He was just playing God by pulling the trigger and ending their lives.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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webmanco says on Dec 12, 2007, 11:06:

Horn "raised his shotgun to his shoulder", that proves he had time aiming his gun at the victims.

got time to call 911

What a hero BS

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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manINred says on Dec 12, 2007, 11:50:

I personally hate guns. This is the reason why.

While the two idiots should be in jail for breaking into someone's home, do they deserve to die for doing so??? Nowhere in my moral conscience can i see that they deserved to die here. Social inequity breeds crime, so endemic crime is often the result of something else, which makes the issue very complex. I cannot believe for a second that they have been robbed of their lives and it is ok, we should just turn a blind eye.

When the rule of law is taken outside the role of the state, society breaks down. Just ask Colombia.

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slguy says on Dec 12, 2007, 13:27:

"Social inequity breeds crime, so endemic crime is often the result of something else, which makes the issue very complex"

I'm not condoning killing these two criminals, but what ever happened to personal responsibility? This "oh, but it's really society's fault" tone smacks of discrimination. Because people lack economic strength, they also lose their personal responsibility, their integrity? "Oh, those people are so poor, they don't know right from wrong"? This is the logical place one winds up, when one starts forgiving criminality, because of economic disparity....

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manINred says on Dec 12, 2007, 14:39:

Of course that's not what I'm implying slguy. All I concluded from the quotes above is that the issue is complex, more complex than them just deserving to die. I also said that the two idiots should be be in jail, thus directly implying that they do indeed have personal responsibility, responsibility which makes them accountable for their actions. I don't see how what I wrote implied me saying that poor people don't know right from wrong, or that we should forgive criminality. That's not the issue at hand.

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slguy says on Dec 12, 2007, 15:04:

Ok- I misuderstood your intent. I apologize. It just sounded like....and apologists position, in the quotes in my previous post. I guess I took it out of context.,...

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manINred says on Dec 12, 2007, 19:30:

ahh ok, this happens to me a lot on the site where people think i'm replying specifically to them! I hadn't at that point read your comment, i was just giving my opinion, which of course when you break it down, is only another opinion among a sea of many...

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gatogris says on Dec 12, 2007, 21:48:

I meet a lot of nice middle class Colombians who think 'limpieza social' is not such a bad idea. They're scum, right? So they need to be cleansed from the body politic. They had records? Stealing? Bag em and tag em and send em to the crematorium.

When the rule of law feels shaky, it makes alot more sense to make your own moves.

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christobeldawg says on Dec 12, 2007, 21:59:

enough ataboys on everybody havin guns. there is another strong side to the argument against all of that rahrah. something like 8 out of 10 times guns are used, it is either used against someone in the home, or against one's self. I understand the argument against the liberals but I think we need to think outside the box on this one, as the US is pretty much alone on this gun allowance among citizens argument.

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

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scotty says on Dec 12, 2007, 22:03:

when your goverment takes away your weapons you are at the mercy of the crimminal, foriegn goverments, and even your own goverment.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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christobeldawg says on Dec 12, 2007, 22:19:

well I know that is the usual argument. I was just asking to look at the other side of the argument. seems everyone is so grounded in their beliefs on this that they will not, or cannot, do that, for whatever reason.

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

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scotty says on Dec 13, 2007, 00:53:

well dawg these are the grounds this country was founded on, right to free speech, right to pray to your god, right to liberty and freedom, right to persue happiness, and the right to bear arms.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 13, 2007, 05:27:

There are several countries that allow private gun ownership. One that immediately comes to mind is Switzerland. As a matter of fact, when a Swiss male finishes his military service, he is obligated to keep his military issued assualt rifle in his household.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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slguy says on Dec 13, 2007, 05:32:

I'm a gun owner, and have a license to carry concealed.

BUT

"the right to bear arms" constitutional argument always makes me grin, since this statement is clearly taken out of context - somehow, using this argument always conveniently forgets the reference to maintaing a militia, which was clearly the intent at the time the Framers wrote the Constitution...

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aztec says on Dec 13, 2007, 07:38:

was clearly the intent at the time the Framers wrote the Constitution...slguy

If it was so clear we would not constantly be debating the issue. In fact the US Supreme Court has the question before it in the next/current session.

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slguy says on Dec 13, 2007, 07:50:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"

I'd call it pretty clear. Individual gun ownership today has nothing to do with a militia, much less well-regulated.

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morphus says on Dec 13, 2007, 08:03:

Shall we kill this thread or what? I can't get a word in.

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msaucey says on Dec 13, 2007, 08:10:

Imagine what would happen if all the Minute Men had a gun... You know they soooooooooo want to.... "Why'd you shoot him?", "He was breaking the law", "Did he harm you?", "Well, not directly, but I know he was coming into the U.S. and he was going to be using up our social services, and start comitting crimes".... "Where are you from?".... "Texas".... "No more questions"

The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis

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gatogris says on Dec 13, 2007, 08:51:

Did anyone ever see "Red Dawn" as a testerone-juiced adolescent? Talk about a sweet gun fantasy - running around in Montana smoking the Cuban greasers and the Russkies, lettin God sort em out, all living in a gun-worshipping hippie native american commune in the mountains with no adults to tell anyone to think things through.

Man, why can't the world be like that instead of all complicated and stuff.

Or the first "Dirty Harry," where he brings justice from the barrell of a gun to the filthy, cowardly hippies and the scheming, drug-crazed negro pimps, who underming all that is good and true in Ah-merica.

I just know, deep down, that guns SOLVE problems. With finality.

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juancegomez says on Dec 14, 2007, 05:59:

I wouldn't be concerned at all about their deaths, because they obviously chose a life of crime and during such a life they are certainly likely to meet armed opposition in countries with so much gun ownership and so on...if the guy hadn't stated on the phone that he was going to kill them, even when the operator was telling him to do something else and when they were not directly threatening him or his property yet.

While I don't think death had to be the answer, at all, that doesn't make me pity the two guys per se, who unfortunately "died in their law" (murieron en su ley) and knowing the risks, but it does make me think that the guy could have handled things better. That's just my own opinion.

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 14, 2007, 09:49:

Ahhh, Red Dawn. One of my favorites. Charlie Sheen, Patrick Swayzee, Jennifer Grey, that dude from Coach ... great flick. I believe it was Colorado though.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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podborski says on Dec 14, 2007, 12:17:

anyone ever think that if he didn't have the gun they would not have run away at all but might have had other ideas?

I'd like to know what 'reasonable' force is when a person who is not a police officer is surprised by 2 strangers in their home. I suppose one should be immediately able to know if they know karate, or have knives or screwdrivers in hand, what their intentions are etc.

You break into someone's home, you are threatening their life, period. If you want to steal some food or clothes, go to Walmart.

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juancegomez says on Dec 15, 2007, 08:28:

podborski: In this case, the difference is that guy had apparently already decided to kill them when they were still on his neighbor's property, at least according to the phone call. If they had broken into his house, the examples you and GIB are providing would be more fitting.

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lpdiver says on Dec 15, 2007, 15:39:

I don't have any sympathy for the ladrones. However, the shooter stepped over the line. The crime was not occurring on HIS property and he was in no danger. Also he was ordered to stay in his house.

What if the burglary had been THREE houses over or a convience store a mile away?

t

"cook some rice!"

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Sr Tertius says on Dec 15, 2007, 16:32:

What if the guy entering the house was Santa Claus? or El Niño Dios? huh? Can you shoot them?

That'd be one sad Christmas.

"When the finger points to the moon, the fool looks at the finger" (Chinese proverb)

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gatogris says on Dec 15, 2007, 16:33:

Or in Haditha? Who cares, every rootin-tootin, brass-balled, whiskey-drinkin Texan has the God-given right to take out the trash, no matter what the scenario...

Like my man Toby Keith writes:

Grandpappy told my pappy, back in my day, son
A man had to answer for the wicked that he done
Take all the rope in Texas
Find a tall oak tree, round up all of them bad boys
Hang them high in the street for all the people to see that

Now that's justice.

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webmanco says on Dec 15, 2007, 16:34:

I thought I said it before, but what the guy did was a good example of stupidy. Not to excuse bad behavior.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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goin_south says on Dec 19, 2007, 23:37:

Who determines if you had 'just cause to fear for your life'?
... the scarey part: the jury who's never been where you were.... oh-oh.

I'D RATHER BE.........IN COLOMBIA :-)).... (No Quiero Conozco Gustav)

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goin_south says on Dec 19, 2007, 23:53:

Doc... I don't even own a double-barrelled camera... jejj.. much less a gun... welll,.. I think someone got me a water-gun for Christmas last year... If I put chlorox in there, rather than water,.. and, can actually point it in the right direction.. quick enough.. jaj

.... sometimes, I have been known to 'shoot de chit'..

I'D RATHER BE.........IN COLOMBIA :-)).... (No Quiero Conozco Gustav)

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goin_south says on Dec 20, 2007, 00:00:

I can loose a jury rather quickly,.. as you can imagine..
but, if only a judge... he/she seems to understand...
can you? jaj

I'D RATHER BE.........IN COLOMBIA :-)).... (No Quiero Conozco Gustav)

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