Blacks not allowed entry at Nigth clubs in Bogotá

kat1 (Moderator) says on May 18, 2008, 08:53:

I hate when the owners of this establishments start making so many lame excuses, "i am not racist I grew with lots of black around me" "My parents have black relatives" yeah right.. they all should have a hefty fine there and then..

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webmanco says on May 18, 2008, 08:58:

We all should run a nithclub business where liqour is served to understand why business owners don´t allow entry to many groups of different background, the few times I go out and stay late at night I have seen many braws, business owners got the experience and I guest they act according.


"Decían que buscaban clase en la clientela, y aquí tener clase es
tener el pasaporte azul en la frente", afirma esta socióloga, que adelanta su investigación doctoral en políticas públicas para negritudes.


Objetan a 'traquetos', mujeres que consideren 'prepago' -usualmente acompañadas de extranjeros- o grupos de hombres solos

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kat1 (Moderator) says on May 18, 2008, 09:03:

yeah but they should not judge everybody the same, did they know this Black people where going o cause trouble? maybe he has experience with other blacks but they are all different, just like whites, there are trouble maker whites and decent ones. the thing is they think if there is too many blacks in the establishment this will loose "prestige"

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webmanco says on May 18, 2008, 09:06:

I am sure if there were white guys bad dressed or with the gang look, many night clubs would not let them in.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on May 18, 2008, 09:06:

"Objetan a 'traquetos', mujeres que consideren 'prepago' -usualmente acompañadas de extranjeros- o grupos de hombres solos" i agree with this they don't want the place to look like a brothel

but what was wrong with being black what was the objection there? as i said not all blacks are trouble makers.

about the black Americans, blue passport? or green dollars.

excuses, excuses, excuses

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tejasmarcos says on May 18, 2008, 09:08:

interesting social test case. however, it is quite refreshing not to hear all the cries of racism in Colombia like you do in the USA. equal rights in the USA has done alot of good for alot of people, but has also silently polarized vast populations of Northamericans across all social and professional lines.

trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine...

webmanco says on May 18, 2008, 09:09:

being black, white or mestizo it is not the only reason, but they might get additional ones, again like poor dressed bad actitud etc. Just a rottem apple can make the other ones bad as well.

Una sentencia de la Corte Constitucional sobre un sonado caso de racismo contra un par de hermanas en discotecas de Cartagena en 2004, estableció que ni la raza, el estatus o el nivel socioeconómico pueden justificar el rechazo.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on May 18, 2008, 09:12:

webmanco where this people bad dress, did they came with a bad attitude? i mean drunk, being noisy etc if so then yes the owner was right but as far as i know reading the article there was none of that.

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tejasmarcos says on May 18, 2008, 09:12:

i'm gonna start a killer club one day and only allow the worst dressed and least popular people to enter. all the rich and beautiful people will have to wait endlessly in line.....

;)

trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine...

kat1 (Moderator) says on May 18, 2008, 09:13:

there was a nightclub here that would not let fat people specially girls to come in, no wonder got extinct jejej

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webmanco says on May 18, 2008, 09:14:

What I said is that the students went with the attitude of wanting to be rejected to make their report more interesting. Amarillismo talvez. It is what I believe

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kat1 (Moderator) says on May 18, 2008, 09:16:

are you sure? didn't read that part, but let face in Colombia there is lots of places where they don't allow black people in, and they always have an excuse.

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tejasmarcos says on May 18, 2008, 09:16:

that is a great thing about Colombia. there are social gathering areas on every darn corner and even under bridges! if you can't find a place to hang and have a great time, you are doing something painfully wrong!

trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine...

webmanco says on May 18, 2008, 09:19:

It is not surprised that the investigation is done the week of AfroColombianos.
http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/afrocolombian-week-that-is-next-...

Los afro no aceptan que los discriminan

En el caso de Bogotá el racismo no se manifiesta usualmente de maneras violentas, sino dentro de prácticas más sutiles. El Observatorio de Discriminación Racial de Los Andes, dirigido por César Rodríguez, ha recopilado información sobre rechazo de hojas de vida de personas afrodescendientes, persecución de éstas en almacenes y tiendas mientras compran e insultos y discriminación a la hora de acceder al transporte público.

Una de las prácticas más preocupante es la de las trabas a la hora de buscar casa. Según algunos de los 10 denunciantes, les suben el precio del inmueble respecto al publicado, les hacen preguntas adicionales en los formularios o les dicen que los apartamentos ya han sido arrendados y los letreros de oferta continúan puestos. "Esto permanece en el silencio".

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kat1 (Moderator) says on May 18, 2008, 09:19:

In Colombia you don't need to go to a nightclub or bar in Colombia to have a great time, en A veces en el el chuzo de la esquina se divierte uno mas jejej

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jaramillo says on May 18, 2008, 09:38:

Changed my mind.

Cerealkiller says on May 18, 2008, 10:06:

I think the issue of racism in Colombia is much more complicated than rejection because of the color of one's skin. I would tend to believe there is a very strong economic element to it, lets face it, in Colombia if you're black and rich you're either a traqueto or a foreigner. Black people in Colombia (ok, Bogota and Medellin basically, I don't know how it works in the coast but I'm guessing its either worse or not much better) are equal to menial labour and poverty. I suppose this is generally the case in many parts of the world, but in developed nations some black people have been able to break through, buy cars, houses, go to university and run for president...In Colombia the number of black people breaking through remains very very very small.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

tejasmarcos says on May 18, 2008, 10:08:

60% of Medellin makes the equivalent of $400 USD or less per month.

Define "breaking through"?

trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine...

bickerss says on May 18, 2008, 10:12:

I have often been knocked back from entry into Bogota clubs and I am not black!!!!!!

tejasmarcos says on May 18, 2008, 10:15:

i have been beaten down by cops in the USA and i am not black!!!!!

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romy says on May 18, 2008, 10:19:

Is there a reason for screening blacks as they may be bad for business? Yes
Is it a stereotype? Yes
Is it justifiable? No... in the end you can't generalize any group, particularly not a social construction such as race. Reminds me of BiDil (CV medication) being approved only for African Americans in the US. Turns out anybody could claim to be black and they'll classify you as black because it's a self-classified method.

Actually, last night I made it out to this one lounge/club that had turned my black friend down 2 weeks ago because supposedly his shoes (they were lugs) weren't good enough for such a 'classy' place. Anyways yesterday I decided to stop by because one of my buddies was wearing a t-shirt, white shoes, but he's aryan... and yes he made it in. Cool place too, too bad they've taken that attitude.

ColombianoGringo says on May 18, 2008, 10:24:

It amazes me to see people deny the horrible racism against blacks in Colombia. It is a truly shameful reality in Colombia. Yet these same racist Colombians come to the US and complain that they are treated like wetbacks.

Cerealkiller says on May 18, 2008, 10:27:

Tejas I am talking about black people in Medellin and Bogota. Is the $400 or less only for blacks? I doubt it...but I am pretty sure that a vast majority of the black population in Medellin is poor. I'd be curious to know how many black people in Medellin are members of Club Campestre? Or how many blacks in Medellin have you seen driving SUVs and Beemers? I haven't seen that many...actually I cannot recall ever seeing a black Colombian bowling at the Country Club in Bogota or driving a luxury vehicle.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

romy says on May 18, 2008, 10:28:

maybe I missed it... who's saying there's no racism in Colombia? that person is wrong

Monpirri says on May 18, 2008, 10:28:

ColombianoGringo, que pasa se me esta voltiando contra los colombianos? Primero hablando mal de Shakira y ahora que los colombianos tienen el mismo titulo que los otros.
Que le paso mi hermano?

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

ColombianoGringo says on May 18, 2008, 10:29:

Espere hermano. Solo dije que Shakira no me parece tener cara agradable. En cuanto al racismo, solo digo la verdad. Eso no quiere decir que estoy en contra de los Colombianos. Mejor pregunteme lo que pienso de Paola Rey.

ColombianoGringo says on May 18, 2008, 10:33:

Romy, I wasn't specifically referring to anyone in this thread.

romy says on May 18, 2008, 10:33:

"actually I cannot recall ever seeing a black Colombian bowling at the Country Club in Bogota or driving a luxury vehicle."
There's quite a few black people on nice rides in Cali... they're not at the country clubs because they've been discriminated against but money isn't the only (or main) reason as there's wealthy black people in Colombia too.

Monpirri says on May 18, 2008, 10:34:

Hermano, yo no sabia que los colombianos son conocidos como wetbacks?

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

ColombianoGringo says on May 18, 2008, 10:35:

A mi me decian en el colegio que si me ponia sentimental cuando llovia. Tuve que reventar mas que una jeta gringa de joven.

No importa que tanta plata gane y que exito tenga, pero hay mucho gringo que lo sigue viendo a uno como mojado. Mi "hobby" favorito es humillar a gringos mamones. Les digo. "I'm smarter than you, I make more money, and I'll kick your sorry ass."

Tambien me encanta cuando estoy hablando en Español y algun pendejo se molesta. Empiezo a usar la palabra "gringo" no mas para emputarlos.

romy says on May 18, 2008, 10:38:

CG, yo estava bajo la impresion que vos eras mono? a mi como 'mono' la gente ni piensa que soy latino, y nunca me a tocado enfrentar ese tipo de terminos derogativos (pero bueno Canada es diferente que US)

ColombianoGringo says on May 18, 2008, 10:39:

Por el lado de mi papa son todos Rolos blancos, pero por lado de mi mami son Opitas un poquito mas trigueños, asi que resulte medio trigueño de cabello castaño pero de 1.88 m.

tejasmarcos says on May 18, 2008, 10:45:

CK - my point is that the majority of Medellin & Colombia in general is "poor" by USA standards. It seems to me that 60% of Medellin needs to "break through" including the fine black paisa population.

My point about racism in Colombia is that I do not see it broadcast from the mountaintops like it is in the USA. Not that is does not exist, but it does not appear to me to be over-sensationalized like it is in the USA.

trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine...

Cerealkiller says on May 18, 2008, 10:45:

I have never lived in Cali Romy, so I haven't got a clue as to how it works there. I agree money is not the only reason people get rejected but the purchasing power of a certain section of the population determines how individuals belonging to that minority will be treated. I have no knowledge of wealthy black people in Colombia to be honest...but I know cleaners and maids in North Bogota are predominantly black and from the northern coast. I remember when I was at Los Andes noticing the lack of black people going to university there, in 2003 there were literally 5 black Colombian people... and it doesn't change much because even though you see a lot more black people on campus they're all foreign nationals from barbados and the USA...I don't understand, somehow the fact that they are not black colombians makes them more acceptable in the eyes of many...So I do believe it is not only a skin deep issue.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

romy says on May 18, 2008, 10:45:

pues si, lamentablemente al color de la piel (que tiene poco que ver con la persona en si) le an dado bastante importancia en la mayoria de sociedades.

Frank Rizzo says on May 18, 2008, 10:45:

An owner of any establishment or property should be able to refuse service or goods to anyone at anytime for whatever reason the owner likes....with no fear of retaliation via any attacks...be it racism or other.

Otherwise, you're affecting the freedom of the owner....and it's his rights that really count here. He's the OWNER....people have become so self-entitled it still amazes me.

docwilliam says on May 18, 2008, 10:46:

There was one establishment that I visited (In Ibague) that did not like Gringos... 4000.000 COP for a warm can of Aguela Beer and rude (refused to show me a price list). I do not care whether they like me or not, I just won't spend my $$$ there anymore. Come to think of it...I wish that they would have turned me away because then...I would have spent no $$$ there.

"There's no time to panic"

Cerealkiller says on May 18, 2008, 10:52:

Tejas I agree, but I also think it has become 'over-sensationalized' because in the US there have been several prominent black figures pushing for it, people with lots of connections, highly educated. I do not think the black population in Colombia has that sort of leadership, which is a shame because I'm pretty sure no mestizo would do the job as well as a black person...there are very few people questioning the horrible state in which people in Buenaventura, black-Cartagena and Choco live, and they're predominantly black so I don't think its just a mere coincidence. Yes, colombia in general is poor by USA standards but the black departments of Colombia are living in misery by Colombian standards.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

docwilliam says on May 18, 2008, 10:53:

By the way...the best bottle of beer, cold, in salted glass and excellent service....$5000.00 COP in Ibague.

My average watering hole... bottle of beer, cold, in a glass (not plastic cup), good friendly service...$1600.000 COP Ibague. :-)

"There's no time to panic"

romy says on May 18, 2008, 10:56:

CK-
It's obviously not the ONLY issue. Like everything, there's many factors that contribute to a particular situation. And fact is that race is a social construction, therefore certain attributes have been assigned to this imagined group. So maybe race in itself is not significant because truly race is meaningless, but the connotations that race carries in society makes it significant. (I don't know if that's understandable, but it's a well discussed topic in academics).

In Cali I do know wealthy black individuals. I've also seen them be called derogatory terms.

"I don't understand, somehow the fact that they are not black colombians makes them more acceptable in the eyes of many"
I'm hoping to run the social experiment soon so I'll let you know the results hahaha

Frank Rizzo says on May 18, 2008, 11:00:

Romy...you mean the narcos in cali??

webmanco says on May 18, 2008, 11:15:

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Cerealkiller says on May 18, 2008, 11:18:

Well of course, it boils down to politics of identity. Also the traditional views on race, you cannot change conventional wisdom overnight even when it is false wisdom...

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

romy says on May 18, 2008, 11:32:

Frank- narcos, empresarios, grnajeros...

CK- yeah, I would never classify it as 'wisdom'

Simon says on May 18, 2008, 11:49:

Pero qué lindo hablan de su país ante los extranjeors algunas de estas bellezas Colombianas!! Con razon tenemos una reputacion tan mala, si los primeros que embarran la imagen del país son los mismos Colombianos! Felicidades Webmano!

A propósito del tema y lo digo en castellano para mantender esto entre los nuestros quienes somos los únicos que podemis arreglar esto, en Cali hay una discoteca de negros donde no permiten la entrada de blancos!!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

Simon says on May 18, 2008, 11:51:

"I have no knowledge of wealthy black people in Colombia to be honest..."

I guess then you've never heard of Faustino Asprilla, Edgar Rentería, Joe Arroyo, Freddy Rincon, etc.

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

Desideria (Moderator) says on May 18, 2008, 11:52:

Simon, y si llego yo conun par de amigas suecas entre 20 y 30 aos, bien blancas y rubias no nos dejan entrar?

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

webmanco says on May 18, 2008, 11:53:

Vos y quién más? dice nosotros habla en plural. Que pueden arreglar?

En Colombia muchos arreglan el país a punta de tragos, de repente esa es su forma de arreglar el pais también, callando lo no muy bueno no solo de Colombia sino del mundo. Mr. Rambo Wannabe, defendiendo a Colombia? gime a break.

Son noticias, le sugiero escriba a la Universidad de los Andes para que prohíban las investigaciones que de alguna forma tratan de hacer un "reality check" en difentes situaciones diarias.

Gracias.

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Simon says on May 18, 2008, 11:55:

"Simon, y si llego yo conun par de amigas suecas entre 20 y 30 aos, bien blancas y rubias no nos dejan entrar?"


Desi, es que ni dejan entrar a Colombianos blancos!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

Simon says on May 18, 2008, 11:57:

Webmanco,

Colombia no se defiende con embarrarla más. Tenemos que lavar la ropa sucia nosotros mismos, no andar pregonando nuestros defectos ante otras gentes que no pueden hacer nada al respecto, aparte de cogerle más fastidio a Colombia!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

webmanco says on May 18, 2008, 11:58:

Lavemosla (la ropa sucia) extraditando gente. Mostrando nuestra incapacidad de gobernar.

Racismo es mundial el prejuicio igualmente, Colombia no lo invento.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on May 18, 2008, 12:14:

Cual es el nombre de la discoteca? A ver si hacemos el experimento algun dia...me interesa desde el punto de vista sociologico:)

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

Cerealkiller says on May 18, 2008, 12:15:

Simon con todo respeto me parece que tu actitud es hipocrita por decir lo menos. No se tu como pretendas que los problemas de Colombia se solucionen si no son expuestos y discutidos publicamente. O como crees que Alemania fue reconstruida o que las secuelas del apartheid en Surafrica estan siendo tratadas? Lamentablemente muchos no reconocen el impacto negativo de sus acciones hasta que estas son rechazadas. Esa actitud tuya de tapar el sol con un dedo no contribuye mucho a una mejora real, en lo absoluto. Es sentido comun que este tipo de problematicas no van a cambiar sin un dialogo honesto y abierto.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

kat1 (Moderator) says on May 18, 2008, 12:16:

que tal que toda la ropa sucia se lavara en casa, y no se dijera nada, imaginecen como estarian lo de Burma ahora. PEOR

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Simon says on May 18, 2008, 12:24:

"Cual es el nombre de la discoteca? A ver si hacemos el experimento algun dia...me interesa desde el punto de vista sociologico:)"

Estoy tratando de recordar, Desi, pero no me llega el nombre...lo unico que recuerdo es que comenzaba con 'M' y no quedaba muy lejos del Parque del Perro.

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

Simon says on May 18, 2008, 12:30:

"Lavemosla (la ropa sucia) extraditando gente. Mostrando nuestra incapacidad de gobernar."

Esa "gente" fue extraditada a un país que ellos tambien ultrajaron envenenando a sus ciudadanos con las drogas ilícitas que les enviaban.

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

romy says on May 18, 2008, 12:30:

eso avia una el la 5ta con puro niche. Brooklyn o Harlem o algo asi... pero si llegan 3 monitas buenas, te lo garantizo que las dejan entrar. A un gringo tambien, es al colombiano blanco que no quieren.

Simon says on May 18, 2008, 12:33:

Sí, quedaba por la 5ta!! Voy a preguntarle a mis primos como se llama ese antro.

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

Simon says on May 18, 2008, 12:51:

I think comparing the racial situation in Colombia to apartheid era South Africa or present-day Myanmar is a bit farfetched. It's not like blacks can't vote or are being killed just because of their skin color in Colombia.

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

romy says on May 18, 2008, 12:52:

Bronx!! es el lugar que estava pensando

Si alguien le interesa leer de la sociologia del tema (http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=11&url=http://bibliotecavirtua...)
“ahora me gusta Zarabanda, el Bronx , Opus, y las audiciones de salsa que hacen en el barrio Siete de Agosto cada mes, y muchos otros lugares bacanos"

RESUMEN

La presente ponencia es el resultado de un estudio realizado con jóvenes de sectores populares de la ciudad de Cali, en el que se recogen experiencias de jóvenes y adolescentes en el campo de la sexualidad y la salud reproductiva. El trabajo empírico está soportado en una serie de entrevistas a profundidad realizadas a un grupo de mujeres y hombres entre 14 y 25 años durante el período 1999- 2003. En el desarrollo del estudio toman significativa importancia las variables de género, clase social y color de piel. Los ejes centrales sobre los cuales gira el estudio están dados alrededor de las biografías sexuales, en las que se enfatizan las formas de sociabilidad, los conocimientos y ante todo las prácticas sexuales. En esta medida aparecen las construcciones de las masculinidades, las feminidades y en la misma línea los rupturas y desafíos frente a los roles tradicionales de género y el ejercicio de la sexualidad.

En la primera parte de la ponencia se hace una presentación de contexto, a partir de datos cuantitativos sobre la población sujeto. En la segunda parte aparecen bajo el concepto de figuras masculinas y femeninas las narraciones de los entrevistados y el análisis de los datos obtenidos. Finalmente las conclusiones, en las que se resalta el ejercicio de la sexualidad en los jóvenes, como elemento fundamental de sociabilidad en los contextos urbanos populares.

romy says on May 18, 2008, 12:55:

Simon, the point was (at least my interpretation) that we need to talk about the problems to be able to solve them... not that the situation in Colombia is like the apartheid period.

Simon says on May 18, 2008, 12:57:

Yes, but talk to who?

Lo sólo digo que hay que hablarlo con los Colombianos ignorantes que discriminan, no con extranjeros que nada tienen que ver con esto.

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

slguy says on May 18, 2008, 13:10:

ahhhhhh...so your approach, simon, is not to acknowledge any problems, except to those causing them?

it's a good idea never to let a black person from another country know in advance that rascism exists in colombia, just like every other country on the planet, in one form or another?

similiarly, never tell a guy who wears a rolex hat he may want to leave it at home? or not to warn anyone about caution at colombian ATM's?

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

Simon says on May 18, 2008, 13:13:

You see what you guys did? Now Slguy is gonna go tell all his friends how racist Colombians are!

LOL

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

romy says on May 18, 2008, 13:14:

es un ejercicio semi-academico que ayuda a los participantes de la discusion armar argumentos y cuando te encontras en tu dia-a-dia con estas personas ignorantes tenes un argumento mas fuerte. Por lo menos la razon principal que yo participo en este foro es para aprender y para solidificar (mejorar/cambiar/desvalidar) mis argumentos. Por lo menos yo no gano nada en convencer a alguien pa que piense de la manera que yo lo hago.

Cerealkiller says on May 18, 2008, 13:24:

Simon, you're missing the point, I am not referring to the nature of the problem but rather the way in which the problem itself ought to be addressed.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

slguy says on May 18, 2008, 13:25:

nope.

i sing colombia's praises to anyone who'll listen.

but i don't need this thread to learn that rascism exists there. and i would never take a black friend there w/out acknowledging to him/her, in advance, that no country is free of the ignorance that inspires rascism.

acknowledging problems is a sign of supporting change-the corollary being that denying/ignoring problems is tantamount to approving of the status quo.

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

Frank Rizzo says on May 18, 2008, 13:29:

Exactly slguy !! Though, i dont think status quo is going anywhere in colombia....so in a way simon is right. This is an academic exercise that will really never go anywhere.

Simon says on May 18, 2008, 13:48:

Speaking of this subject, I have a 16-year old who recently moved to Miami from Cali. One day at the Drive-thru of some fast food joint, he greeted the guy who takes your order, who happened to be black, with "What's up, my blacky?", thinking he could greet blacks in this country the same way he could back in Cali with "Qu'hubo mi negro". He said the guy just gave him a dirty stare. Well, he learned firsthand about one of the differences between race relations in the US compared to Colombia.

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

MitchAlvarez says on May 18, 2008, 13:56:

I didnt read everyones comments but I like what Frank Rizzo said:

"Frank Rizzo says on May 18, 2008, 10:45: flag

An owner of any establishment or property should be able to refuse service or goods to anyone at anytime for whatever reason the owner likes....with no fear of retaliation via any attacks...be it racism or other.

Otherwise, you're affecting the freedom of the owner....and it's his rights that really count here. He's the OWNER....people have become so self-entitled it still amazes me."


Im not racist nor do I condone it at all, but if i have my own business I should determine who goes in and who doesn't.

I would definitely make sure my bouncers dont let just anybody walk in. I would say look for clothing, type of people walking in, do they look like they have some money, ghetto or classy, female male ratio, etc.

slguy says on May 18, 2008, 13:58:

yep. there's plenty of rascism/ignorance here, too.

see? that wasn't so difficult! nor will it send readers scurrying to tell their friends to stay away. ;)

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

kat1 (Moderator) says on May 18, 2008, 13:58:

I think I told this before, my son though everybody in Colombia was racist because they used to call this friend of his Negro, i told him here is not a derogatory word, and even his black friend explain to him that it didn't bother him still my son can't face to call him negro he call him by his name.

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docwilliam says on May 18, 2008, 14:07:

Why would someone want to support a business where you know the people do not like you? (for whatever the reason).

This is the part that I do not understand.

Being refused for medical, food or shelter may be a dif. story, but a club? Should this even be an issue?

"There's no time to panic"

MitchAlvarez says on May 18, 2008, 14:12:

in medellin there are many clubs where they wont just let anyone in. it has nothing to do with wether your black or not. some clubs as many estrato 5 and 6 colombianos are very elitist.

so stop this shit about it being black or whatever.......... if you look like your broke keep it moving. lol thats the bottome line for busiensses. they dont have time for 5 guys ordering 5 beers. they want to see guys come with girls or in groups ordering bottles.

you wanna see elitism at clubs.......saturday night go to OZ by triada (near parque lleras)
(ps. peter this message doesnt include anything about where to find women so please dont delete this one as well.)

MitchAlvarez says on May 18, 2008, 14:17:

Wow... so i just finished my comment and i head over to read El Colombiano and what do i find in the front page?

MitchAlvarez says on May 18, 2008, 14:17:

¿Discriminan a los rumberos en Medellín?

En algunas discotecas de la ciudad, especialmente en las de moda, existen políticas de selección de los clientes.


http://www.elcolombiano.com.co/BancoConocimiento/U/una_rumba_en_la_que...

MitchAlvarez says on May 18, 2008, 14:18:

jajaj my comments are on point!!! They even mentioned the club I just mentioned. jaja

Simon says on May 18, 2008, 14:20:

Qué coincidencia, Mitch!

A mí que no me vayan a discriminar por allá en ningun club, porque les saco el pasaporte azul y se lo restrego en la cara de esos malparidos clasistas!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

webmanco says on May 18, 2008, 14:22:

I don´t see much racist people in Colombia, that blacks lack of oportunities it is true, but at the same time I had seen many black people as lawyers and in high positions, well earned.

But it what annoyes me more in Colombia is the regionalisms, and people that look at the other cities down. Now Elmo and his son Robi666 can be fun many times and I find their comments hilarious rather than offending but a few others who believe their city rules over the next one and who without even living in Colombia still believes their "city" is better than the next one.

And by the way Bogotá rules, jajaja

(I really hate it when women get their panties all bunched up their butt, they can get so cranky!) Poor butt happy

kat1 (Moderator) says on May 18, 2008, 14:22:

oiga debe ser muy humillante que a uno no le dejen entrar por feo eh

no Simon como esta el dollar, esos cojen ese pasaporte y te lo restriegan de nuevo jejje

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ColombianoGringo says on May 18, 2008, 14:23:

Lo mejor es siempre llegar con una vieja buena. Cuando era adolecente, pasaba mucho tiempo en Acapulco. En ese tiempo habian muchas discos que eran dificiles entrar. Lo que hacia yo era buscar un grupo de mujeres haciendo cola y las convencia que entraramos juntos. Asi nos dejaban entrar, pero una vez adentro las mandaba al carajo y me ponia a buscar mas buenas.

Simon says on May 18, 2008, 14:24:

"no Simon como esta el dollar, esos cojen ese pasaporte y te lo restriegan de nuevo jejje"

LMAO!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

webmanco says on May 18, 2008, 14:26:

Simon
A mí que no me vayan a discriminar por allá en ningun club, porque les saco el pasaporte azul y se lo restrego en la cara de esos malparidos clasistas!

Chances are that those "whatever you called them" do also have Blue Passports, and by the way holding one of them don´t say anything to me and I know to others neither.

Now believing that possesing another countries nationality is big deal, is paramount as believing that one´s country it is worth less.

(I really hate it when women get their panties all bunched up their butt, they can get so cranky!) Poor butt happy

ColombianoGringo says on May 18, 2008, 14:27:

Uy no hermano. Yo escondo mi pasaporte azul en Colombia. Eso es dar papaya. Es mas, quiero volver a tramitar mi cedula en Colombia para que no diga "Expedida en Houston,TX, EU". Bueno. Supongo que dira eso porque va mas que un año de que la pedi y nada que llega. Ya mi pobre contraseña esta mas achacada.

Simon says on May 18, 2008, 14:28:

La afrocolombianidad es todo un orgullo


Bogotá
Los colombianos celebrarán desde el próximo lunes por primera vez la Semana de la Diversidad y la Afrocolombianidad, que se realizará en 16 ciudades y municipios del país, anunció la ministra de Cultura, Paula Marcela Moreno.

La funcionaria explicó que la celebración busca destacar la diversidad cultural y generar mecanismos de apropiación que les permitan a los colombianos "valorar la riqueza de un país pluriétnico y multicultural.

"Colombia es un país ambiental y culturalmente diverso, lo cual representa un componente fundamental de la identidad colectiva, es base de la cohesión social", expresó la ministra Moreno.

Recuerdo de la abolición de la esclavitud
El Día Mundial de la Diversidad Cultural fue establecido por la Asamblea General de las Naciones Unidas para la Educación, la Ciencia y la Cultura (Unesco) en noviembre de 2001 y será en Colombia el próximo miércoles 21 de mayo.

El Congreso de Colombia estableció la misma fecha para conmemorar el Día de la Afrocolombianidad, en recuerdo de la abolición de la esclavitud en el país por medio de una ley promulgada el 21 de mayo de 1851.

Según datos divulgados por el Ministerio de Cultura, Colombia tiene más de 80 pueblos indígenas y 11,6 millones de afrocolombianos, que representan el 1,5 y el 26,83 por ciento de la población, respectivamente.

La población afrocolombiana se concentra en 14 de los 32 departamentos del país.

Asimismo, en Colombia se conservan 65 lenguas indígenas de las más de 200 que existían en el periodo de la Conquista.



Con la agencia Efe

http://www.elcolombiano.com.co/BancoConocimiento/O/olac_colombia_celeb...

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

kat1 (Moderator) says on May 18, 2008, 14:30:

yo apenas llego a colombia no vuelvo a sacar mi pasaporte yo ando con mi cedulita que esta un poco viejita y necesita modernisarse, necesito cambiarla antes del 2009 por unas de esa modernas.

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docwilliam says on May 18, 2008, 14:30:

"But it what annoyes me more in Colombia is the regionalisms, and people that look at the other cities down."

webmanco....I have seen this in the United States as long as I have been an adult (which is how long, 5 days now?) and everywhere I have lived.

"There's no time to panic"

Simon says on May 18, 2008, 14:32:

La foto en mi cédula todavía está en blanco y negro! Quiero una nueva con color.

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

webmanco says on May 18, 2008, 14:32:

Kat (con solo una T)
cedulita que esta un poco viejita

solo la cedula?

jajaj

DocWilliam
....I have seen this in the United States as long as I have been an adult (which is how long, 5 days now?) and everywhere I have lived

It is not a big deal, but when people do not just joke but wrongly believe they are right they do more wrong than right.

(I really hate it when women get their panties all bunched up their butt, they can get so cranky!) Poor butt happy

kat1 (Moderator) says on May 18, 2008, 14:32:

claro que cuando yo voy a Colombia, yo soy poca de nightclubs y bares a mi gustan lugarcitos donde se pueda tertuliar :))

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MitchAlvarez says on May 18, 2008, 15:00:

Simon I have bad news for you. The elitists that frequent these places (ive been to them all) care very little what passport you have. They have their crowds. Believe me its more then just money. I do business with a lot of people that frequent this place and I know this might sound wrong but I'll say it like they have in the past. They believe a the vast majority of colombians who move to the USA are gamines, de baja clase, y de poca cultura. So you flashing a passport wont do much... trust me!!

Simon says on May 18, 2008, 15:02:

How about me yelling to them while flashing the old blue, "Miren maricas, o me dejan entrar o les mandó la DEA!"

Lol.

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

goin_south says on May 18, 2008, 15:02:

are you sure they were 'black'?
or, maybe just 'dark whites'?
jja

..... leavin louisiana in the broad day light

Frank Rizzo says on May 18, 2008, 15:09:

I completely agree Mitch.

kat1 (Moderator) says on May 18, 2008, 15:28:

simon la foto de mi cedula tambien esta en blanco y negro jiji
la mia todavia es de esas que dice
Color: trigueño
nariz : Recta

webmanco creo que la cedula esta mas nueva que yo jejej

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MitchAlvarez says on May 18, 2008, 15:31:

Simon when is the last time you were in Colombia? Let me know if your in town so I'll make sure Im far from where you are heading. Saying stuff like that around Medallo might make you an ex pbh faster then you can imagine.

kat1 (Moderator) says on May 18, 2008, 15:32:

wasn't elmo's wife who was not allowed entrance in Mangos in medellin? I think he said that.

engage brain before opening mouth

Simon says on May 18, 2008, 15:34:

Last time was in February. Y creo que es obvio que sólo estoy mamando gallo!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

MitchAlvarez says on May 18, 2008, 15:44:

a listo simon.....i was worried man.

let me know when you going to medellin........ i would like to meet some of you face to face and put a face to the image i have of you i guess... oh and a face to the ever changing avatars.

Simon says on May 18, 2008, 16:00:

Last time I was in Medellin was in 2006 and I must admit I fokin loved the city! I went with my 'viejos' and we stayed in the Nutibarra Hotel. I remember the woman who worked in the lobby were drop -dead gorgeous!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

OlQDog says on May 18, 2008, 19:53:

Being Black, reading and hearing people talk about race and racism always increases my understanding of why the issue continues to plague societies, as well as the spiritual growth of people and cultures around the world.

But politics and God aside, I have been trying to meet women from Barranquilla, Columbia online for about a month. When we exchange fotos all of the flirt and great conversation stops. But in my defense I have to say, I generally do very well here in the states with a diversity of nice looking women and have had no problem meeting and dating in Costa Rica. Now it could be that I am just ugly to Columbian women and they are not attracted to me. Reading this string has started me to wondering if race could be the prevailing issue - jokes about my looks aside - this has happened about five times. Perhaps I should look elsewhere to visit. I hear and read the place, women aside, is gorgeous. What is the feedback of those who can reasonably contribute to my decision making about going there.

Simon says on May 18, 2008, 20:01:

OIQDog, you need to talk to Toneloc, he's African-American and loves Barranquilla. He could offer you good advice.

BTW, it's spelled ColOmbia.

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

ColombianoGringo says on May 18, 2008, 20:04:

Forget the online girls. Go down to Cartagena, San Andres or Santa Marta and see for yourself. These are places where your race will be less of a factor. Truthfully, you will have a harder time in Bogota or Medellin.

Robert Jorge says on May 18, 2008, 20:05:

I wouldn't judge a country by how chicks on an Internet dating site react.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

Frank Rizzo says on May 18, 2008, 21:35:

"There may be something to what OIQ says. I have noticed my dark black friend who normally pulls better than I do in all circumstances seems to have come up snake eyes with the Colombianas."

Hardly surprising... Rubito.... even questioning this makes me wonder if i'm going to the same colombia that you are...

I'm sure Mitch could help here.....but PC prevents us all doesn't it?

MitchAlvarez says on May 18, 2008, 21:44:

jajaj frank your on to something.

but hey rubito does have swingers clubs to look forward too. jaja

Frank Rizzo says on May 18, 2008, 21:49:

I think PC in the US prevents us from telling the truth.

Additionally, I wouldn't know about brothels, never been to one.

romy says on May 18, 2008, 22:19:

ok, there's racism in colombia to get into some establishments

Simon's flashing passport bit is so funny. Of course it's papaya like CG said, but more so the places that will turn you down for racist reasons don't care your nationality since to them you are a lower species.

self-edited: for personal reasons

Frank Rizzo says on May 18, 2008, 22:37:

Absolutley not romy (what are you talking about!!)........ Mitch looks like many of my colombian friends, in fact very similar to my next door neighbor and good friend in cali.

What places are you talking about romy?? My friends and i own in megna, dapa, santa monica, santa terrasita, santa rita, pance, km30.....(thats just starting in cali)....and wer'e not talking about studio apartmentos here...

romy says on May 18, 2008, 22:42:

I've been to the places, I went to school with these guys and gals, doesn't matter they don't deserve me talking about them so forget I said anything

kalder says on May 19, 2008, 01:22:

Skin colour as a badge of social arrival does seem part of the Colombian way of life. I was in a bar in Cali and a group of gangsta-style young black guys turned up. All they seemed to want to do was flaunt the fact that they had white girlfriends with them. The irony (to my mind) was that the girls were uniformly overweight and plain, while inches away, sashaying down the street were scores of black girls of astounding grace and beauty.
It seemed that these young black Colombians had bought into the 'white is better' conditioning.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

OlQDog says on May 19, 2008, 06:12:

Thanks for the spelling correction. And those who provided constructive advice. Simon you mentioned Toneloc. Are you talking about the rapper/actor? I just joined this site. How do I get in touch with him?

CG, mentioned Cartagena, San Andres or Santa Marta. Would I be better off there because folks are more diverse in those regions or because they are less classist. It sounds like taking a week or so and visiting Barranquilla as well as those other places would be a good trip and exploration into meeting some folks.

BTW I am not struck by skin tone just affected by the views of others.

Again, thanks for the advice.

webmanco says on May 19, 2008, 06:44:

OlQDog
You can sent him a Private Message at

http://poorbuthappy.com/toneloc24/

Derecho de admision
Derecho de administrar su negocio no siempre quiere decir que se hace por racismo.

(I really hate it when women get their panties all bunched up their butt, they can get so cranky!) Poor butt happy

MitchAlvarez says on May 19, 2008, 06:46:

saco de capucha? jajaj debe ser rolo o pastuso

webmanco says on May 19, 2008, 06:51:

Como le dicen en Medellín? Hooded Sweatshirt algunos le dirán chompa.

Chompa derivado del Chompiras o que?


dejemelo en español jajaj

(I really hate it when women get their panties all bunched up their butt, they can get so cranky!) Poor butt happy

Jlove says on May 19, 2008, 07:13:

This is a topic that i ahve noticed in Colombia but the racism is not just for blacks but also for economics. If you are poor but you are black, metizo o white, you will be treated worst but if your economics are stonger in Cali you are treated differently. Naturally blacks often fall into this lower status because of the amount of them which are on the lower status. your family status is difficult to change in colombia. Just like in the USA, you have to give some perople the time to break down barriers. Colombia is changing. A friend of mines was recently appointed a position in the government over I believe tourism. The black cacus of the USA pushed the colombian government to give opportunities and she received the position. She is intelligent, speaks 3 to 4 different languages and is the first black in Colombia to recieve a position such as that. The blacks in Colombia lack the leadership that blacks in the USA had in the past. MLK and others opened a lot of doors. Teh barriers can be broken down but one person at a time. Things will improve. Often my Colombian friend who use to say racism does not exist in Cali returns to cali and now can see that it does exist. It is not the same type of racism that you see in the USA. It appears to be more motivated by economics.

MitchAlvarez says on May 19, 2008, 07:19:

there is racism in colombia.........it all depends on what color bills you have in your wallet. thats the important color question.

Simon says on May 19, 2008, 09:01:

"Simon you mentioned Toneloc. Are you talking about the rapper/actor? I just joined this site. How do I get in touch with him? "

Lol, no. Toneloc24 is a member of this board and not the rapper.. Just do a search up above on Toneloc24.

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

Mononoke28 says on May 19, 2008, 09:04:

I remember when I was in Medellín this last time, we were on a cab going home and drove by a street with a well known "black" night club and the people were standing outside, waiting in line. The cab driver said "Mirálos a todos ahí junticos haciendo fila, que manada de negros". The person I was with started laughing along with the driver and I really did not get the joke. I mean, I GET that they were making fun of the black people waiting outside but I did not find it funny. I found it offensive! Of course I said that that wasn't something to laugh about and that it wasn't funny. They looked at me weird and for some reason I ended up feeling bad.

There is so much racism in Colombia it's sickening. That's one of the bad things about it for sure.

Diana

MitchAlvarez says on May 19, 2008, 09:05:

calmate ventarron!!

Simon says on May 19, 2008, 09:07:

Mononoke, there's a lot of racism too in the country you live in now.

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

MitchAlvarez says on May 19, 2008, 09:11:

is there a country where you dont find any racism at all?

Simon says on May 19, 2008, 09:11:

I've never found any racism (towards me) in Colombia.

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

Mononoke28 says on May 19, 2008, 09:13:

Definitely but for some reason people down there feel proud of it. They talk about it openly, like there is nothing wrong with it. I remember aunts telling my cousins "sino se porta bien lo voy a regalar a un negro". WTF? Like being with a black person is the worse punishment you could get. It's sick.

Diana

Simon says on May 19, 2008, 09:15:

Hey, some people up here feel proud of it too. Ever heard of the Ku Klux Klan?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_klux_klan

It also depends on what kind of people you are associating with in Colombia. I've never heard anything like that from the people I know in Colombia, and if I did, I would call them on it immediately.

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

webmanco says on May 19, 2008, 09:17:

No confundan yo me baño en el río con yo me río en el baño

No siempre cuando se hacen chistes o comentarios contra un grupo de personas y los demás celebren quiera decir que esten de acuerdo con el chiste o comentario.

En lo personal me molesto un poco definitivamente no me rio. Si no tienes nada bueno que decir de tú prójimo no digas nada.

(I really hate it when women get their panties all bunched up their butt, they can get so cranky!) Poor butt happy

MitchAlvarez says on May 19, 2008, 09:17:

Racism: The belief that a particular race is superior to others. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

Give me a BREAK!!!!!!!!

A cab driver pops a joke and he's racist? are you kidding me?
Man were sensitive in here. Turn on BET if you ever in America and watch how blacks make fun of themselves with plenty of interesting terms and storylines. They also swing at latinos and whites with jokes. So are they racist?

I really dislike when people start pulling the racism card for bs shit.

Racism? if you lived during the slave days and you or your parent was a slave day ok......... you can say racism. dont give me the , oh he used this and that word, or oh he gave me the look, or he got my job cus he's white, and all the others............. sorry but makes me sick.

Simon says on May 19, 2008, 09:22:

Mitch,

Lo que pasa es que algunos que ya llevan mucho tiempo por acá se les pega la cultura de 'political correctness' y entonces empiezan a juzgar todo a través de critierios gringos. Ni más faltaba que ahora lo llamen a uno racista porque uno saluda a un amigo afrocolombiano con "Qu'hubo mi negro".

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

Mononoke28 says on May 19, 2008, 09:32:

I'd like to see how you react in a group of gringos making fun of Colombians, in a bad way. What? Can't take a joke?

Diana

morphus says on May 19, 2008, 09:45:

HA HA...you guys are lucky Elmo is leaving for Colombia. He would be all over this thread :)

"wasn't elmo's wife who was not allowed entrance in Mangos in medellin? I think he said that"

Kat, that was probably Elmo's fault. In Colombia, he looks like a guajiro drug dealer. Cachacos are scared of him. Even on the coast people get nervous when they see him. Elmo's wife is very elegant and articulate woman from Poblado. Normally, she would'nt have a problem anywhere in Colombia.

Frank Rizzo says on May 19, 2008, 09:48:

Gringos don't make fun of Colombinas Mononoke.....

Simon says on May 19, 2008, 09:50:

"Gringos don't make fun of Colombinas Mononoke....."


YEAH RIGHT!!!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

webmanco says on May 19, 2008, 09:51:

Not of Colombinas, but of Colombianas

claro que son todas como una colombina

(I really hate it when women get their panties all bunched up their butt, they can get so cranky!) Poor butt happy

romy says on May 19, 2008, 10:59:

Mononoke28 says on May 19, 2008, 09:13: flag

Definitely but for some reason people down there feel proud of it. They talk about it openly, like there is nothing wrong with it. I remember aunts telling my cousins "sino se porta bien lo voy a regalar a un negro". WTF? Like being with a black person is the worse punishment you could get. It's sick.
___________________________________________________________________________________

hahaha I was told the same type of thing... I was told I'd be sent to guachene, this is a negro settlement close to were we have a farm in Cauca.

People are entitled to live in their imagined worlds if they don't want to try to understand, it's not my place to deconstruct that, just don't misinform others. It's not about being PC, I'm very liberated in my everyday speech (with my friends I'll joke about their ethnicities/religion and so on but I know there's a line and I'm careful not to cross it), so I don't think people can be cracking these jokes without understanding the full connotation... that's why like I'm allowed to make fun of myself, black people can make fun of themselves if they want to. but only in certain circumstances should an outsider come in and make fun of a group/ethnicity/whatever. Constructive criticism is a different story.

OlQDog says on May 19, 2008, 11:15:

Eso conversacion es mismo la conversacion en el Estados Unidos. Mucho gentes que no siente racismo creer racismo es en el mentes de otros. El unico problema es eso gentes esa habla sobre otros jugando el tarjeta de racismo son ellos que guadar los status y poder. Ellos quiere definir quien se puede un victima, quien puede habla y que ellos puede dice. Es comica porque es todo sobre poder. Es triste por el mundo.

Gracias a Dios hay mucho gentes simpatico y quiere entender. Para su mi rezas va contigo. Por los otros mi rezas doble.

Perdon mi espaniol. Yo intento y estoy aprendizaje.

Gracias por el correo de Toneloc24

manINred says on May 19, 2008, 12:06:

Oh man, there is massive racism against blacks in Colombia. I see it with my own eyes, and I hear stories from Colombians telling me the same. In fact, I would be surprised if they did a study to show that nightclubs DIDN'T discriminate against blacks.

To be (un)fair, there's also massive discrimination against 'indios'...

Actually, upon reading Kalder's commentary I found it to be spot on with my experience in Colombia. It is even true in other areas of the world to a certain extent.

Frank Rizzo says on May 19, 2008, 12:08:

Agreed MIR.

kat1 (Moderator) says on May 19, 2008, 12:08:

Frank Rizzo says on May 18, 2008, 22:37: flag

Absolutley not romy (what are you talking about!!)........ Mitch looks like many of my colombian friends, in fact very similar to my next door neighbor and good friend in cali.

What places are you talking about romy?? My friends and i own in megna, dapa, santa monica, santa terrasita, santa rita, pance, km30.....(thats just starting in cali)....and wer'e not talking about studio apartmentos here...



I just want to ask a question which have been hovering in my mind for a little while reading this thread.
Frank reading your post do you consider Mitch black? because i don't, to me he is mestizo...

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Frank Rizzo says on May 19, 2008, 12:10:

Sorry for the confusion Kat.....Not at all Kat....!! That's the point i was making....romy changed his/her remarks...basically saying Mitch would be discriminated against....I was saying the OPPOSITE !! That Mitch looks like most/all of my friends in colombia...

Sorry for the confusion...

romy says on May 19, 2008, 12:19:

I changed it because I realized it could be misinterpreted as being offensive towards Mitch, which was not my intention.
My point was that someone of that appearance is considered an indio (black hair, bit of a tan) by these ignorant people I know and the places they frequent.

kat1 (Moderator) says on May 19, 2008, 12:26:

no I am not saying as a bad thing, i am only curious of what is black for some white Americans, because example i have a black friend who married a white guy her kids instead of looking like mulatos they look mestizos, but here in the UK they are considered black while if they go to Colombia they will be considered mestizos not blacks

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Frank Rizzo says on May 19, 2008, 12:29:

Sorry romy...if i misinterpreted.....i do know of the pretty extreme racism to blacks in colombia.... i'm not as aware of the indio racism... again romy my apology...

ahh...okay Kat... i understand now....thanks

MitchAlvarez says on May 19, 2008, 12:57:

romy relax.......... in my family they call me negro.

yo soy el gato negro de la familia me dice mi tia cada rato.

mestizo, mulato, gamin, mezcla rara, yo ni se que soy yo............ ya me tienen confundido. jajaja

Mononoke28 says on May 19, 2008, 13:12:

There's a lot of dark skinned people in Colombia who will get offended if you tell them they were black. Funny thing is, I'm pretty sure if they went back in lineage, they'd be surprised to find out where they actually come from. But instead of being proud of that, they get offended. "Yo no soy negro, yo soy moreno". Really? What's the difference, if any?

Diana

Simon says on May 19, 2008, 13:18:

En cambio yo me ofendo si me dicen 'blanco'....lol!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

MitchAlvarez says on May 19, 2008, 13:26:

a mi que me digan lo que quiera......sabe porque......porque son solo palabras mijo y de eso no se muere nadie papa.

y en cuanta la las reinas.......negras, blancas, verdes, amarillas, azules, hasta rojas me gustan. porque? porque todas las mujeres son divinas!!!!

ColombianoGringo says on May 19, 2008, 13:29:

Pues Simon. Supongo que por esos rumbos no te ha tocado que te digan "White Mexican".

No son todos así, pero hay unos Tejanos que se las pisan. Es asombroso el nivel de pendejez que logran algunos por acá.

docwilliam says on May 19, 2008, 14:14:

Sorry folks, I messed