Betancourt vows to not cut hair until FARC frees all hostages

SUERTE GRINGO says on Jul 9, 2008, 17:04:

NO MAS de Ingrid Betancourt!

“If you're gonna eat your crackers in bed, you're gonna have to sleep with crumbs."

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Jul 9, 2008, 17:07:

"It is not easy hair. It's complicated to take care of; I have to braid it because it is not comfortable to wear it loose," she said.

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It's all about Ingrid.

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sloopskipper says on Jul 9, 2008, 17:12:

Tinto (Moderator) says on Jul 9 (today): flag

'"It is not easy hair. It's complicated to take care of; I have to braid it because it is not comfortable to wear it loose," she said.

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It's all about Ingrid.'

Poor baby!

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tomtom33 says on Jul 9, 2008, 17:22:

Hey, I think I'll do the same.

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ColombianoGringo says on Jul 9, 2008, 17:25:

Now this is just turning silly. Not you tt, I mean Ingrid. What the hell is not cutting her hair going to accomplish?

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sloopskipper says on Jul 9, 2008, 17:34:

Yeah, BFD!

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billyb says on Jul 9, 2008, 17:58:

"What the hell is not cutting her hair going to accomplish?'

It exonorates her from blowing off the march on the 20th? Or so she hopes?

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Gator says on Jul 9, 2008, 18:14:

By God! That will show them. What next? 500 Frenchmen with baguette to beat the helll out of FARC .

"Credidi pretio parvo emere et magno vendere tibi in animo fuisse!" .

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Medellin Traveler says on Jul 9, 2008, 18:15:

NEWS FLASH!

In preparation for her "Rescue Me, For Farc's Sake!" the play, Ingrid Betancourt to author children's book written in the mandarin language for death, dumb, and blind orphan children around the world.

What next?

"Huevos Rancheros en Medellin, No Quiero Taco Bell." - www.medellintraveler.com

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harvardexec says on Jul 9, 2008, 18:18:

I vow not to cut my nose hairs until all those incarcerated for marijuana related offenses go free!!!

"I'm going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues. I still need to be educated."-John McCain

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billyb says on Jul 9, 2008, 18:20:

harvard, you can cut one side, since ecuador released all jailed drug mules last week..

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dwmte7 says on Jul 9, 2008, 19:05:

well, i think i'm gonna join her. i'm gonna let it grow til they're free. it's already long, it'll just be longer.

what will that do? we'll have to wait and see. it brings me grief in my own home, who knows what it'll be like back home. just have to wait and see.

dwmte

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chrispej says on Jul 9, 2008, 19:36:

Huh? Was she kidnapped back in the sixties? Somebody needs to shut her up. She's becoming an embarrasment to Colombia.

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dwmte7 says on Jul 9, 2008, 19:41:

you lost me on that one, maybe you could explain.

dwmte

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MaFe says on Jul 9, 2008, 19:45:

Imagine that....so many important things in this world and she is using her hair...

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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Lcacique says on Jul 9, 2008, 23:18:

Wow...no offense you guys, but I think it is hilarious that you think that she is doing this because she feels that it will change something.

And who knows maybe it will scare the FARC into doing something...I know Crystal Gale used to scare me to death.

Hoy se nota en la floresta un ambiente de alegría. ¡Y el rumor de ranchería es mas dulce y sabe a fiesta!

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huskie says on Jul 9, 2008, 23:27:

She wants to be known as Joan of Arc or Elizabeth I, the heroine wanna be!
Cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

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huskie says on Jul 9, 2008, 23:59:

Here are the names of the soldiers who were rescued from FARC

Teniente Juan Carlos Bermeo (Ejército, secuestrado en agosto de 1998)
Subteniente Raimundo Malagón Castellanos (Ejército, secuestrado en agosto de 1998)
Sargento segundo José Ricardo Marulanda (Ejército, secuestrado en marzo de 1998)
Cabo primero William Pérez (Ejército, secuestrado en marzo de 1998)
Sargento segundo Erasmo Romero (Ejército, secuestrado en agosto de 1998)
Cabo primero José Miguel Arteaga (Ejército, secuestrado en marzo de 1998)
Cabo primero Armando Flórez (Ejército)
Cabo primero Julio César Buitrago (Policía, secuestrado en agosto de 1998)
Subintendente Armando Castellanos (Policía, secuestrado en febrero de 1998)
Teniente Vianey Rodríguez Porras (Policía)
Cabo primero John Jairo Durán (Policía, secuestrado en agosto de 1998)

Cheers and bmp

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jul 10, 2008, 00:46:

I can totally understand her why she's doing it. It's symbolic, it's a way of keeping the flame burning, of reminding herself the the struggle is not over.

BTW, it's a very Colombian thing. I had a friend who had sworn to wear white until she achieved a goal she had set in her life.

It's not a political satetment, it's personal statement.

.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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billyb says on Jul 10, 2008, 05:33:

im not changing my underwear until she cuts her hair.

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dwmte7 says on Jul 10, 2008, 05:41:

i hope that's not retroactive, billy....if so, them undies are gettin rich by now.

dwmte

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billyb says on Jul 10, 2008, 05:47:

jaja, no, not six years, just two days and counting ;)

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ColombianoGringo says on Jul 10, 2008, 07:58:

It may be a "Colombian thing", but it is nonetheless a silly and pointless gesture. I think it trivializes the issue to some degree.

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Mononoke28 says on Jul 10, 2008, 08:10:

Mexicans do it all the time "para pagar promesas", then they cut it off once it's granted. I think it's dumb. She may end up walking around with her down to her ankles a la Crystal Gayle. =X

Diana

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tasco66 says on Jul 10, 2008, 09:25:

OK, here is my contribution to the release of the Farc hostages:

I vow not to drink any more guaro until all hostages are released.

Now If that doesn’t get them released, I don’t know what will…

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jul 10, 2008, 09:28:

It's a bit flaky I agree, but I think it serves a purpose for reminding a person not to lose focus.

Gosh, Ingrid can't do anything, say anything right for some people.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jul 10, 2008, 09:30:

Uy tasco666 esa si esta dura :))))
easier to do the opposite jejej

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ColombianoGringo says on Jul 10, 2008, 09:37:

I personally have not criticized her much since her release. In fact, I defended her statements in her recent interviews

However, this action is just silly. I am all for her pursuing the release of the other hostages through serious diplomatic and political means, but this is the kind of nonsense that superstitious people do when they have no real means to affect change. She has the world's attention and this is hardly the way to make the best use of it. I hope it doesn't take that long, but who is going to take her seriously when she has hair down to her knees if it takes years to secure the release of the others?

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lpdiver says on Jul 10, 2008, 09:42:

I shall personally boink a paisa everyday until all hostages are freed.

ts

"cook some rice!"

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Jul 10, 2008, 10:00:

Every day? That's impressive. You might even get a book deal and a write-up in the NY Times if you can perform like that.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/08/fashion/08nights.html?partner=rssnyt

;-)

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dwmte7 says on Jul 10, 2008, 11:28:

critricism, ah criticism....what a charade thou art. in all honesty, i can't imagine some of the mean spirited comments i've heard from so many of you. then....defending them.

this lady wide of your obvious beliefs, is a person, she has been held prisoner, been violated in every sense of the word, and chastized without end for her survival and actions post that.

i have no way nor means of imagining what goes on in side her head...do you? i've had an incredible, varied life...however, it's nothing to what this woman has endured.

i just ask you all why you attack her bones to pick and rattle until she dies? do you feel bigger, more important/as important, somebody special because you bully and belittle the downtrodden (whoever they may be.)??

now, because she has said she'll let her hair grow until the hostages are freed, you once again attack her and take her to task. strange.

you ask what that will do? in my eyes a whole hellofa lot more than your mean-sprirted-ness. what will that do? you treat this pained, pitiful survivor like she's joan of farc. you want to burn her at the stake.

would the release of the hostages be advanced more if she climed atop a building and cried in three tongues (languages) that she had been repeatedly physically violated and vomited out the hideous details to your wretched satisfaction??? i really fuckin think not.

i feel a bit like peter here...even in wonderment, after hearing all this--and even i was a bit incensed at her comment re thanks to france--what is it that any of you are doing as it relates to the freeing of the countless other hostages still living in hell.

maybe if she fasted...would you let up then? but tell me, what would that do to actually and in reality aid their situation?

i pray that all of us...me included...can wash ourselves of this horrible attitude that's dripping off these pages and come up a little brighter in sympathy and compassion.

dwmte

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Lisa Zee says on Jul 10, 2008, 11:38:

God bless you Dwmte7!!!!!!!

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jul 10, 2008, 11:38:

Thanks, douglas. I'm with you on this one. Enough is enough. She's not a presidential candidate, she's not a senator, she's not even a politician right now. Just a human being, giive her a break.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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Lcacique says on Jul 10, 2008, 11:40:

ColombianoGringo: I am sure that she agrees 100% with pursuing diplomatic and political means, because those are the types of things that will produce results. But lets be honest, how many days has it been since she got out of the jungle and how long was she there?

As Desi pointed out, this is nothing more than a reminder not a superstition. Silly? Sure. How many football teams shave their heads or get mohawks? How many family's have shaved their head to show solidarity with their child that is going through cancer treatment? How many people keep a lock of hair or where a pin to remember a missing loved one?

My point is this, I highly doubt that this is her master plan for getting the hostages released. And getting them released, ultimately, is the job of Uribe and the Colombian military. Hopefully, she will use her celebrity and what she has gone through and her connections to raise concern/awareness, etc. But again, how long has it been?

We should all be much more worried about billyb at this moment. He is putting himself and everyone around him at risk. billyb, you are a brave man...we all know it. But please don't do this to yourself!

Hoy se nota en la floresta un ambiente de alegría. ¡Y el rumor de ranchería es mas dulce y sabe a fiesta!

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Lcacique says on Jul 10, 2008, 11:49:

I hear you, douglas.

Hoy se nota en la floresta un ambiente de alegría. ¡Y el rumor de ranchería es mas dulce y sabe a fiesta!

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Lisa Zee says on Jul 10, 2008, 11:56:

Finally some words of wisdom from the brains of this forum!!!!!!!!!

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ColombianoGringo says on Jul 10, 2008, 11:58:

So your definition of wisdom is anything you happen to agree with?

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Lisa Zee says on Jul 10, 2008, 12:03:

No,........ Intelligent people, well read and experienced, and most of all that have COMPASION.

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ColombianoGringo says on Jul 10, 2008, 12:09:

Just because someone criticizes her does not mean that they lack compassion, are not well read or lack intelligence.

I was amongst the first to applaud her for her classy comments upon her rescue and defended her when she gave the interview in the French press, however I am not going to just accept everything she says or does simply out of sympathy.

Attacking people for saying negative about her is no better than the behavior of those who freak out anytime someone says anything bad about Uribe.

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dwmte7 says on Jul 10, 2008, 12:14:

CG...i don't know if your comment was dirrected at me, but if it was, would you please point out the attack?

if my concern and defense is 'attack', what do you call the nastiness and meanness in so many threads here on pbh? please be specific.

dwmte

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Gator says on Jul 10, 2008, 12:29:

ColombianoGringo, remember that since definitions are irrelevant and subjective, the other person who does not agree (you and I) is mean-spirited, racist, sexist, intolerant and obsessive. Remember,Lisa Zee: As long as you haven't admitted you're wrong, you are right. Any attempt to demonstrate otherwise is evidence of criminal hate and probably mental imbalance, too.

But I agree CG: "Just because someone criticizes her does not mean that they lack compassion, are not well read or lack intelligence."

"Credidi pretio parvo emere et magno vendere tibi in animo fuisse!" .

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lpdiver says on Jul 10, 2008, 12:30:

I made no attact either. I joined in her protest.

ts

"cook some rice!"

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Lisa Zee says on Jul 10, 2008, 12:42:

"Al que le caiga el guante que se lo chante"

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dwmte7 says on Jul 10, 2008, 12:43:

screw all this...i'm with you, lp, let's cook some rice.........

that reminds of a comment by mother theresa at the worlds first peace/food conference some ten + or - years ago. it was held somewhere in canada. the conference went on for about 10 days and there were films, documentaries, seminars, demonstrations, charts, not to mention countless speeches.

mother theresa was the last speaker. bare in mind, mother theresa is about 4'2" tall and didn't even reach the podium. so after no little adjustments they fixed her mike.

she began by complimenting everyone, young and old, educated and illiterate, cultured and primative (they had head hunters of the putimayo there) for their contributions and commented as to how impressed she was with all their presentations. then....she said..."myself and the sisters and mercy do it a little differently....when we go out in the mornings to feed the poor, we take some bread, we put it in our little bag--pointing out the white cotton bag she wore around her neck--and we walk the streets." "when we find a hungry person, we feed them, by giveing them the bread......" she closed, noting, "it works every time."

dwmte

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billyb says on Jul 10, 2008, 12:53:

"ColombianoGringo: I am sure that she agrees 100% with pursuing diplomatic and political means, because those are the types of things that will produce results."

What results? It seems to me that all that has been accomplished so far have been through military and intelligence ops. Please point out what has been achieved so far with the FARC through diplomatic means? I hope you don't mean the fiasco of El Caguan. And please don't include the previosly released hostages, as they were only released as means to give Chavez some publicity props.

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ColombianoGringo says on Jul 10, 2008, 13:29:

dwmte, My comments were not directed at you.

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Lcacique says on Jul 10, 2008, 13:41:

billyb: the FARC over the years have had no reason to give up through negotiations because they were never threatened. They controlled a nice chunk of Colombia. the state was absent from large sectors of the country. The US drug policy of wiping out the Cartels put a huge source of $'s into their laps. Of course negotiations were never successful. Why would they be? The FARC had no reason to negotiate because the state was impotent.

I do not discredit the value of the military or their operations. Things are clearly changing for the FARC. Now they are severely weakened and I do not envision this trend reversing because of the resolve of the Colombian government/military/people to not allow it to happen again. So, yes the military has been successful in my opinion. I'm not predicting that they won't be in the future. However, I would be concerned about using the military to attempt another rescue because it is doubtful that the FARC would be stupid enough to fall for something again. Therefore, a military solution may not produce the same miraculous results. But I think there is a good possibility that negotiations will be possible with the FARC at some point because the State finally has the upper hand and the FARC are falling apart. So the circumstances are completely different than what they were in the past.

More importantly, what I said does not somehow exclude the importance of other options (i.e. the military) anyway. What it means is that growing her hair will not produce results, but the things that I mentioned will. In addition, there has to be a political will to do something otherwise the military will not be used in the first place.

Hoy se nota en la floresta un ambiente de alegría. ¡Y el rumor de ranchería es mas dulce y sabe a fiesta!

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ColombianoGringo says on Jul 10, 2008, 13:45:

I have no problem with negotiations as long as they don't involve ceding two towns to the farc. I have serious doubts about the potential for fruitful negotiations, but it is worth a try.

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dwmte7 says on Jul 10, 2008, 13:49:

i agree..don't look for the insurgents to fall for that one again...i fear that future military ops will be excercises in blood letting. on both sides including hostages. the "so called" high value captives are out. and as sad as this sounds, those still in captivity, are rank and file military and police and campesinos. sad to think of their chances of getting out with the same glory as did the recently liberated captives. those bad guys are really pissed now.

dwmte

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Lcacique says on Jul 10, 2008, 13:54:

I'm not talking about giving these guys flowers either, ColombianoGringo. To hell with giving them a street, let alone two towns.

Hoy se nota en la floresta un ambiente de alegría. ¡Y el rumor de ranchería es mas dulce y sabe a fiesta!

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dwmte7 says on Jul 10, 2008, 15:18:

i'm anything but a negotiator, but what does it take to convince these folks to 'hang it up' and go home, have a life, etc?

they didn't participate in the dope profits....only those at the top did/do. the rest are just the rank and file conscripts. who are there, according to much of the media, as a result of threats to themselves and their families.

why is it such a difficult decision to make to want to return home to mothers and fathers, wives and children? i'm not clear on any of this. damn, my family is the ONLY thing of importance to me. and as eccentric as i may be, i'm not out of the ordinary as a man nor, as a human being.

dwmte

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Lcacique says on Jul 10, 2008, 15:37:

dwmte7, it seems like many of the rank and files have been recently. A few years ago their numbers were increasing not decreasing. And I think that this trend will continue.

Hoy se nota en la floresta un ambiente de alegría. ¡Y el rumor de ranchería es mas dulce y sabe a fiesta!

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billyb says on Jul 10, 2008, 15:51:

Yes, I think that when talk about the FARC we have to differentiate between the few hard core elements and the vast majority of rank and file that just want to get their lives going.

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dwmte7 says on Jul 10, 2008, 15:58:

seems real doesnt it, cacique and billy....who the f wants to spend their life in the selva as a hunted man, apart from anything remotely resembling a life...no wife, no kids, no folks, friends, etc.?

these are young campesino men who didn't have a lot of choices going in. now, with the beheading of the leadership, by the sword and natural causes, there's no longer this oppressive force controling things and since the worker bees share none of the plunder, it's my take they just want to say f it and go home.

dwmte

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ColombianoGringo says on Jul 10, 2008, 16:09:

Remember that the farc has a policy of killing deserters. They have been to go after the families when the deserter can't be found.

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dwmte7 says on Jul 10, 2008, 17:09:

CG with the heirarchy dead or missing....don't you think that 'reprisal' posture is beginning to die/collapse?

dwmte

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billyb says on Jul 10, 2008, 17:21:

I agree Douglas, it's kind of like in the US mafia nowadays, nobody is afraid of retaliation anymore since all the bosses are in the clink, so they are all singing and omerta is just a fond memory.

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ColombianoGringo says on Jul 10, 2008, 17:31:

With the farc, I would imagine that it comes down to the leaders of the individual fronts. I'm sure some of them are still enforcing the deserter executions.

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Lcacique says on Jul 10, 2008, 18:11:

You are all right. My point is simply that I truly believe that we are seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. This doesn't mean that everything is going to be peachy. There will always be people lured to the enormous profits found in the drug industry and given its illegality we know what types will be involved. Will some former FARC members fracture off and create or join Cartelitos? Probably, in my opinion. My whole fear is what is next? Getting rid of the FARC is excellent, but Colombia has a lot of obstacles to overcome and "we" are fooling ourselves if "we" think that the drug problem and violence will disappear if the FARC falls off the face of the earth. That does not mean it should not be pursued.

Hoy se nota en la floresta un ambiente de alegría. ¡Y el rumor de ranchería es mas dulce y sabe a fiesta!

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billyb says on Jul 10, 2008, 18:14:

Can't argue with any of the above.

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dwmte7 says on Jul 11, 2008, 06:14:

i probably agree with all those poins CG and cacique....the insurgents in the not to distant future, i believe will be neutralized...because as i mentioned in earlier threads, the peons in the ranks don't participate in the profits. they get three hots and a cot...if that. i believe they for the most part just want to go home to their lives family and patria.

as for the bosses...they're capos, trafficantes and nothing more (murderers to say the least as are most trafficers) and they will continue their noxious works for a long time to come, as long as the rest of the world doesn'[t follow colombia's lead and move to legalization and taxation as a solution. as long as illigality and all the stupidity that goes along with it persists, the crime and profits, not to mention the meyhem, will continue.

dwmte

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Lcacique says on Jul 11, 2008, 10:23:

Colombia still has a LOT of work to do with respect to its justice system, increasing state presence (an HONEST presence there to SERVE and PROTECT) in rural localities and improving the opportunities for those who live in such regions. It HAS made strides in all of these areas and I hope that it continues to do so AGGRESSIVELY.

Hoy se nota en la floresta un ambiente de alegría. ¡Y el rumor de ranchería es mas dulce y sabe a fiesta!

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kernow62 says on Jul 11, 2008, 10:42:

I once held my breath until I couldn't hold it any longer.

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Lcacique says on Jul 11, 2008, 13:47:

Good job! I am proud of you.

Hoy se nota en la floresta un ambiente de alegría. ¡Y el rumor de ranchería es mas dulce y sabe a fiesta!

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jul 11, 2008, 14:02:

LOL Kernow.. i am so glad so are back here.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jul 11, 2008, 14:08:

Me too, delighted!

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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la campiña says on Jul 11, 2008, 15:34:

I'm considering not cutting my nostril hairs, looking forward to plating them though

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kernow62 says on Jul 11, 2008, 15:56:

My wife refers to my magnificent nose hairs as nostrelos.

I am back for a little while ladies. I promise not to behave myself.

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dwmte7 says on Jul 11, 2008, 16:58:

hey, fella where you been....i asked you that in another thread....just forgot which one.

how's everyone? hope alls well with you and yours. it's nice to read you again.

douglas

dwmte

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kernow62 says on Jul 11, 2008, 17:06:

Hi Douglas, life is a bitch and then you die. Still here in O-town.

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MaFe says on Jul 11, 2008, 17:28:

hello Douglas and Kernow!

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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kernow62 says on Jul 11, 2008, 20:42:

Hello Jose.

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la campiña says on Jul 11, 2008, 20:59:

I am so glad I live in cali every night is like mmmmmm MENTAL

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Aaron21 says on Jul 11, 2008, 22:30:

Campina.. you have a place on the road between Cali and Tulua?

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MaFe says on Jul 11, 2008, 23:23:

Kernow I am not Jose!

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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kernow62 says on Jul 12, 2008, 05:40:

Say no more. Josefina, nudge, nudge, wink, wink. Your secret is safe with me.

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dwmte7 says on Jul 12, 2008, 09:19:

why are there so precious few latino bomberos??

cause they have a lot of difficulty telling the difference between "jose" and "hose B"

ha, ha ha ha ha

dwmte

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dwmte7 says on Jul 12, 2008, 09:24:

how come you never made it over to datona the dull town? i know why i get to O town so rarely......la plata. my fuckin SUV gets 9 mpg. dog. great truck, powerful, but only for the rich and powerful.

we're movin out to LPGA end of this month. way, wierd...from the ghetto to LPGA. that's like a get outta jail pass, collect $200.00 as you go passed GO and keep going. we're on the 13th fairway. i guess we died and went to heaven.

dwmte

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kernow62 says on Jul 12, 2008, 12:26:

Well, it is difficult to get away when I have to care for my mother 24/7. I have to wait until people come to visit me.

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dwmte7 says on Jul 13, 2008, 05:59:

if you pm me your phone, next time the mrs and laurita and i are over there, we'll call you.

we well knew about taking care of the folks, that's why we came back from medellin in 2000, to care for my elderly folks. they passed a little over a year ago. now we're just waiting for the youngster to get deposited in university, then we can return'

btw how's your mother doing? our regards, hope she's well.

douglas, stella and laurita

dwmte

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rocinante says on Jul 13, 2008, 08:56:

Aint read the whole thread - Saw the tail end of the Larry King interview last night - among not hating the FARC one of her biggest problems was that she was the only women in her group and having to wash her hair took so long that she was always late.

She now has me convinced that she is a total idiot and I can't wait to get to Medallo to actually hear what real Colombians think of her. I promise I won't be baised but I have a feeling her life is not safe in Colombia. No wonder she immediately blew the hell out.

What she represented - a famous face for all secuestrados - and the fact that she got freed is the only good news. But she will do pretty much nothing with her media power to aid against the terrorists that held her stupid ass captive for 7 years.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

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dwmte7 says on Jul 13, 2008, 11:37:

heh roci...is this part of the 'speak softly and carry a big stick' program so popular today?

dwmte

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