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Best looking Flag? La bandera mas bonita?

So they posed this question in Mexico section but since that area is more deserted the San Jose de Guaviare these days lets bring it here.

Patriotism removed which flag do you think is the best one?

Here are my choices:

By MitchAlvarez on Jul 15, 2008, 13:43 in Friendly Talkzone. AddThis Social Bookmark Button


dwmte7 says on Jul 15, 2008, 14:31:

well i guess it'ld be the 'union jack' or the stars and stripes.

dwmte

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travelingirl says on Jul 15, 2008, 14:59:

That's just what I was thinking, dwmte. All of the smaller stripes on the USA flag make it stand out more. And I think the union jack looks pretty cool too.

Around her hair she wore a yellow ribbon...

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robi666 says on Jul 15, 2008, 15:08:

The mexican flag is the best looking, but without the drawing in the middle... ;)
Second choice is the European flag.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jul 15, 2008, 15:16:

THE UNION JACK

THE WELSH FLAG
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AND THE AUSTRALIAN FLAG


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Simon says on Jul 15, 2008, 15:18:

The Colombian flag, of course!

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Jul 15, 2008, 15:21:

Mexico's symmetry and color is a tough combination to beat.

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Simon says on Jul 15, 2008, 15:27:

Mexico's flag is just a ripoff of the Italian flag. And it even has an eagle with a snake in its beak...how gross!

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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deathnova says on Jul 15, 2008, 15:28:

Zimbabwe or Seychelles

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deathnova says on Jul 15, 2008, 15:30:

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Jul 15, 2008, 15:32:

Well, if the field is open to all flags rather than the six in the original post, I change my vote.

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kernow62 says on Jul 15, 2008, 15:46:

Union Jack without a doubt.

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Simon says on Jul 15, 2008, 15:53:

Btw, that little pic of Colombia's flag is quite poor. Our flag looks its best when it's blowing in the wind.

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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elmodefoque says on Jul 15, 2008, 16:20:

how about this one
by PROUD colombianas UNLIKE SOME THAT WE KNOW jijijijijijiji
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PROUD ENEMY OF THE RIGHT WING!!!!!! THANK YOU!

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gabolicious says on Jul 15, 2008, 16:21:

I bet Simon you don't care about history of Mexico... but I can tel you that there is no ripoff of the italian flag... I dont know why you say that... not even italians say so

But for me the mexican one with the eagle and the snake represents mexican past...

Elección no canonización....

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elmodefoque says on Jul 15, 2008, 16:22:

wait, that chit is upside down, let me get another one
to those unpatriotic colombianitas this flag is like wavinng a red flag at a bull

PROUD ENEMY OF THE RIGHT WING!!!!!! THANK YOU!

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gabolicious says on Jul 15, 2008, 16:24:

Dejando de lado el nacionalismo me quedo con Grecia e Inglaterra

Elección no canonización....

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elmodefoque says on Jul 15, 2008, 16:28:

sin mama gallo, i really do think the colombian flag is the most beautiful of all

PROUD ENEMY OF THE RIGHT WING!!!!!! THANK YOU!

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elmodefoque says on Jul 15, 2008, 16:30:

i'll be the first one to tell you.
barranquilla has the ugliest fokin flag (look to your left) in the planet as bad as that welsh flag with that four legged crazy lookin chicken and that devils tail
where the fok is welch anyways?

PROUD ENEMY OF THE RIGHT WING!!!!!! THANK YOU!

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gabolicious says on Jul 15, 2008, 16:34:

chicken??? c'mon jajajajajaja

Elección no canonización....

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jul 15, 2008, 16:36:

elmodefoque says on Jul 15 (today): flag

wait, that chit is upside down, let me get another one
to those unpatriotic colombianitas this flag is like wavinng a red flag at a bull

jajajjaja



elmodefoque says on Jul 15 (today): flag

i'll be the first one to tell you.
barranquilla has the ugliest fokin flag in the planet as bad as that welsh flag with that crazy lookin chicken and that devils tail
where the fok is welch anyways?

usted si que friega eh! estaba esperando que me dijera algo... ya se que le caigo gorda

y vea lo que escribio Mitch........".Patriotism removed which flag do you think is the best" one?

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elmodefoque says on Jul 15, 2008, 16:39:

es que estoy locamenete enamorao de ti.
tu y lauthra me tienen loco, no se cual de las dos quiero mas

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jul 15, 2008, 16:41:

que va, ya deje de fregar.mas bien vaya a ver si la gallina ya puso :))))

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gabolicious says on Jul 15, 2008, 16:42:

"where the fok is welch anyways?" c-mon Elmo... jajajajajajaja

Elección no canonización....

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elmodefoque says on Jul 15, 2008, 16:46:

gabo , i bet you don't know where it is either jijijijiji

PROUD ENEMY OF THE RIGHT WING!!!!!! THANK YOU!

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jul 15, 2008, 16:49:

que va a saber Gabo donde es Welch o te estas refiriendo a Rachel Welch :)))


Elmo la proxima vez que me siga fregando va a necesitar esta bandera, porque haya es donde lo quiero poner :)))jejeje
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gabolicious says on Jul 15, 2008, 16:52:

jajajajajajaja efectivamente Elmo yo tampoco se donde esta Welch jajajajajajajaja la geografia no es lo mio....jajajajajajajajaja

Elección no canonización....

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elmodefoque says on Jul 15, 2008, 16:52:

i happend to enjoy getting beat up by beautiful women, please dame duro
sampame una pata, lo que quieras

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jul 15, 2008, 16:55:

don't wish too much :)))

gabo Welch i don't know where the hell is that, but Wales yes.....welsh, Gales in Spanish


aunque elmo no sabe ni donde esta parado.

elmo's map consist in

New york....................Barranquilla..............Miami

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gabolicious says on Jul 15, 2008, 16:58:

"aunque elmo no sabe ni donde esta parado" jajajajajajajaja Elmo es todo un personaje.... jajajajajaja yo creo que Elmo es de esas personas a las que se les puede perdonar todo... incluso eso de no saber donde esta parado.... es muy divertido

Elección no canonización....

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gabolicious says on Jul 15, 2008, 16:59:

ah y kat, Gales si se donde esta pero no se donde este Welch :)))

Elección no canonización....

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jul 15, 2008, 17:01:

yo tampoco se donde esta este welch... :(((

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gabolicious says on Jul 15, 2008, 17:09:

El otro dia estaba revisando un correo que un amigo me mando y me acorde de Elmo, aqui esta una parte del correo... disculpa Mitch se que estamos desviandonos un poco del tema

Si se pierde en la ciudad, grite AI AM FOQUIN LOST
Si quiere acostarse con una rubia dígale JALOU, CAN AI FOQUIU?.
Si esta muy enojado NO diga REFOC, solo diga FOC varias veces(FOC, FOC, FOC,...)
Y si estas instrucciones no le sirven de mucho...." Uat da foc YU uant?"

Elección no canonización....

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gabolicious says on Jul 15, 2008, 17:09:

entonces Elmo seguramente dice AI AM FOQUIN LOST


Saludos Elmo

Elección no canonización....

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Plato says on Jul 15, 2008, 17:45:

Slguy’s flag:

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

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billyb says on Jul 15, 2008, 18:49:

Besides the Colombian, of course, the Union Jack is the coolest by far.

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Simon says on Jul 15, 2008, 18:51:

Great pic Elmo!! And you tell 'em!

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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PALEOLITICO says on Jul 15, 2008, 19:20:

Para mi la bandera mas bonita es la de EE.UU

Enseñame a enseñar.

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Simon says on Jul 15, 2008, 19:35:

Caramba Paleo, me decepcionaste.

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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webmanco says on Jul 15, 2008, 19:38:

La bandera màs hermosa del mundo es la de Colombia, lease de nuevo, Colombia, siempre y cuando sea una mujer o un niño/a colombiana quien la use.

Porque ellos son màs importantes y hermosos tanto por fuera como espiritualmente.

Colombia rules.

Un Ejemplo claro es Paleo con el tricolor nacional

Y Elmo tiene el colmo de llamarle a ese garabato dizque bandera, eso parece una alfombra persa, pero de las que regalan por pedir la hora. :-)

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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PALEOLITICO says on Jul 15, 2008, 19:48:

jajaja Simon, bueno yo estoy hablando solo de un objeto, no de su significado o todo lo que simboliza. Eso ya sería otra cosa . Pero como composición gráfica la bandera de USA me parece hermosa. Me transmite alegria y grandeza.

Enseñame a enseñar.

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PALEOLITICO says on Jul 15, 2008, 19:51:

Web que palabras tan hermooooosaaaaaaasssss ! :)

Enseñame a enseñar.

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CatGirl says on Jul 15, 2008, 19:52:

Elmo! Now where have I seen that pic before? hmm someone used it as an Avatar once. Maybe BB?

Web, so true...I never realized that until you mentioned it. All Elmo needs is a sexy genie in a bottle, jeje

Hard one, I like US, Union Jack and...hmm kitty will need to think about this

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

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PALEOLITICO says on Jul 15, 2008, 19:53:

Una preguntica: Quién es el que sale en la foto de gabolicious?? gabolicious??? mmm

Enseñame a enseñar.

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eywed says on Jul 15, 2008, 20:28:

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Ay Hombe!!!!!

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Lisa Zee says on Jul 15, 2008, 20:59:

eywed: te luciste!!! que belleza!!!!

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MaFe says on Jul 15, 2008, 21:11:

dwmte7 says on Jul 15 (today): flag

well i guess it'ld be the 'union jack' or the stars and stripes.


I have to say the American flag...followed by Colombia...

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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dwmte7 says on Jul 16, 2008, 00:09:

i haven't figured out photo transfer yet---actually i'm lazy...havent tried--but the moroccan flag is cool. it's a greet pentagon on a red ground.

dwmte

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kalder says on Jul 16, 2008, 00:27:

I like the Scandinavian flags: Ancient designs, charged with history.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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robi666 says on Jul 16, 2008, 04:43:

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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robi666 says on Jul 16, 2008, 04:46:

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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robi666 says on Jul 16, 2008, 04:47:

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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kalder says on Jul 16, 2008, 06:29:

The European flag should be used for: rubbing horses down; wiping one's arse; and strangling liberals with.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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kalder says on Jul 16, 2008, 06:30:

Or tying their hands together.

Before kicking them out of helicopters.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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billyb says on Jul 16, 2008, 06:45:

Over the ocean, or over land?

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webmanco says on Jul 16, 2008, 06:48:

Amigos de Colombia


Amigos de Colombia

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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billyb says on Jul 16, 2008, 07:00:

"Elmo! Now where have I seen that pic before? hmm someone used it as an Avatar once. Maybe BB?"

I don't think there's much chance of me having an upside-down Colombian flag as my avatar.

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sloopskipper says on Jul 16, 2008, 07:11:

Here's ROBI!
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kalder says on Jul 16, 2008, 07:36:

The ocean Billy. I'd hate to think of them coming through some old dear's roof.

Unless she were a liberal.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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robi666 says on Jul 16, 2008, 07:38:

Hey sloop... who's that guy that looks like me walking with the mexican flag?

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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billyb says on Jul 16, 2008, 07:44:

jaja, true Kalder.

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sloopskipper says on Jul 16, 2008, 08:08:

MEXICAN, WTF? No birds, snakes, or bloody lizards, jaja!

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robi666 says on Jul 16, 2008, 08:22:

Ok, now talking about flags only... I like:
Swedish flag
European flag
Canadian flag

Italian flag makes me think of food. Mozzarella, basil and tomatoes.
American flag is really inelegant, a lot of noise, garish.

Sloop, the Italian navy flag is almost like the Mexican flag, it has something in the middle too.
When I was living on my sailboat, I had a friend from Italy visiting. He is a patriotic bold guy, like Simon, and gave me a big flag to put on my boat as present.
So, he puts the flag on the pole and every morning I go, talking about one of the neighbor sailboat in the bay:
"Hey, Mauro, good morning. They ask if we are Mexican...".

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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sloopskipper says on Jul 16, 2008, 08:43:

I've seen the Italian Navy Ensign. We probably flew the national courtesy flag in Italian waters.

Maybe your Mexican cousin?
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MitchAlvarez says on Jul 16, 2008, 09:00:

que careta la de todos ustedes por dios bendito.

la de colombia es y siempre sera la mas hermosa.

"Ingrid callate la jeta!! Stay in France"

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jul 16, 2008, 09:30:

MitchAlvarez says on Jul 16 (today): flag

que careta la de todos ustedes por dios bendito.

la de colombia es y siempre sera la mas hermosa.

vea y es el primero que dice
Patriotism removed which flag do you think is the best one? entonces mijo en que quedamos ???

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ColombianoGringo says on Jul 16, 2008, 09:36:

I've always liked the Colombian flag, but even more so since I first saw my wife in her Colombian flag bikini. I would post a pic, but I'd hate to break the rules. Yea right! ;-p

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MitchAlvarez says on Jul 16, 2008, 09:39:

cg please break the rules

"Ingrid callate la jeta!! Stay in France"

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MitchAlvarez says on Jul 16, 2008, 09:39:

kat tenes toda la razon. ... jajaj sorry

"Ingrid callate la jeta!! Stay in France"

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ColombianoGringo says on Jul 16, 2008, 09:56:

Um. OK

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webmanco says on Jul 16, 2008, 09:59:

Ia mujer invencible, digo invisible, pero que puchecas, dejandolo todo para la imaginacion

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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ColombianoGringo says on Jul 16, 2008, 10:01:

Bueno. Pues no iba a poner una foto de mi señora con la manada de guaches que hay por aquí. Tan patriotica mi doña eh? Ja Ja.

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CatGirl says on Jul 16, 2008, 12:49:

Too many choices of flags for me.....eeek! I noticed the Flag of Denmark is almost opposite of Swiss danes


But I think I will keep it simple and choose USA and Colombia - But I do like most of the flags - they all have their own style. It might be easier for me to pick flags that I don't like jaja

Kitty’s Choice

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CatGirl says on Jul 16, 2008, 12:51:

BB- Maybe it was Eywed that used that pic for an Avatar - yep ...maybe him
I think when it was pointed out it was upside down it was changed, jeje...or maybe someone simply put it up for a while? Either way, I have seen it before on PBH

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

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dwmte7 says on Jul 16, 2008, 15:07:

i read many years ago about the colors of the colombian flag and why 1/2 was yellow.

can someone refresh my memory?

dwmte

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Simon says on Jul 16, 2008, 15:15:

The yellow represents the vast richness, natural wealth of our land. That's why it makes up half the flag.

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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dwmte7 says on Jul 18, 2008, 07:58:

and the red and the blue?

what part of colombia are you from , simon?

dwmte

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tasco66 says on Jul 18, 2008, 08:03:

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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ColombianoGringo says on Jul 18, 2008, 08:09:

Pasto? tasco's flag that is. I think Simon was born in the US.

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tasco66 says on Jul 18, 2008, 08:18:

Yep Pasto, had to put it up for the wife

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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elmodefoque says on Jul 18, 2008, 08:24:

holy chit, i thought we (nation of barranquilla) had the ugliest flag, but i see we got beat, pasto wins hands down jajaj

who designed that flag, stevie wonder?

PROUD ENEMY OF THE RIGHT WING!!!!!! THANK YOU!

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elmodefoque says on Jul 18, 2008, 08:35:

it looks like the fokin philipino flag.
it reminds me when i was stationed in PI (philipine islands) many many many years ago.

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tasco66 says on Jul 18, 2008, 08:37:

"holy chit, i thought we (nation of barranquilla) had the ugliest flag"

and you were right

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jul 18, 2008, 08:39:

dwmte7 says on Jul 16, 2008, 15:07: flag

i read many years ago about the colors of the colombian flag and why 1/2 was yellow.

can someone refresh my memory?

yellow represent the abundance and the richness of our land
blue the sea, the oceans, where Colombia have two coast
Red represent blood, in some books will say that it represents the blood of our heroes who fought for the independence of our Nation in others book will say the blood represent, the power, willingness, and progress of our nation.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jul 18, 2008, 08:42:

according to some books the Yellow is bigger because it represent the abundance, richness, harmony and justice of our nation.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jul 18, 2008, 08:43:

http://www.fotw.net/images/k/ki.gif

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jul 18, 2008, 08:51:

Yellow is all the gold stolen by first the Spaniards, then the gringos and now the multinationals.
Blue is for the two oceans.
Red is for the open veins of Latin America, a common destiny shared by brother nations of South America, the blood spilled in battles, of the heroes and common soldiers, the blood spilled in the search of en elusive peace Red is also the color of passion and courage, both very much present in Colombia

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jul 18, 2008, 08:58:

O Amarillo Azul y Rojo los colores del piojo jejejej

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jul 18, 2008, 08:58:

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I like the elegant simplicity of the Finnish flag. White as snow, blue as the thousands of lakes and the sea always present in our scenery, the cross as a symbol of unity with the rest of these Nordic countries (besides Christianity)

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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billyb says on Jul 18, 2008, 09:27:

I didn't know my insurance company "bluecross" was Finnish?

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billyb says on Jul 18, 2008, 09:54:

"Desideria (Moderator) says on Jul 18 (today): flag

Yellow is all the gold stolen by first the Spaniards, then the gringos and now the multinationals.


What a bunch of BS and hypocracy, the biggest (maybe the only) practitioners of genocide and mass plunder of wealth against the native peoples of the world has been you europeans desi, and for you to smuggly sit there and point to the US and the multis, when whatever they have done pails in comparison what you europeans have done to the world, is just too laughable.

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tasco66 says on Jul 18, 2008, 10:06:

And the red is for all the Indian blood that flowed in the greatest genocide in history perpetrated by the Europeans

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jul 18, 2008, 10:31:

Huh, I didn't know the Finns had any colonies....but you Billyb can perhaps teach me the history of my own country....

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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tasco66 says on Jul 18, 2008, 10:41:

Huh, I didn’t know Coca Cola, Pfizer and Citibank had 747s fly every week to the US with stolen Colombian gold...

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jul 18, 2008, 11:00:

About Colombian gold and other national resources....

"This region has never stopped being the target of rulers, businessmen and multinationals. The wealthy classes of Colombia, especially those of Cauca, Valle and Nariño have always associated their interests to those of foreign capitals. The enormous riches hidden in its midst (forests, oil, fishing, mining...), its great biodiversity, and its geographic setting, all give this area a high degree of importance. The British and the Americans have always been there from the 19th century, extracting fine woods, rubber, gold, etc. and making multiple studies toward the quantification of resources and all kinds of possibilities. "
http://www.colombiasupport.net/choco/background.html

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jul 18, 2008, 11:04:

Raw Materials

Colombia has important deposits of the following natural resources: Petroleum, Nickel, Gold, Natural Gas, Iron ore, Silver, Coal, platinum, Emeralds.

In order to be able to exploit or mine Colombian fossil and mineral natural resources, a national concession is required. Generally the control of prospectors is assumed by INGEOMINAS. In order to obtain the searching and production rights, a fee of about 70% of the extraction value has to be paid. In most cases, raw materials are extracted with the aid of foreign companies, who have access to the necessary technical and financial means. Foreign investments occur through international bids, which are subject to the supervision of the Mining Ministry

http://www.usergioarboleda.edu.co/PyMEs/english/raw_materials.htm

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jul 18, 2008, 11:14:

About oil and coal....
"Oil exploitation rights belong to the state owned company ECOPETROL, one of the most important buyers of European machinery, installations and pipelines. Taking into account Ecopetrol´s profits (1998: about 3.1 billions US dollars) and its number of employees (10.500). Ecopetrol is one of the most important Colombian enterprises.

However, Ecopetrol exploits not all oil fields. Many foreign companies have acquired rights"

"The “Cerrejon Norte� coal deposit in the Guajira was tapped at a cost of about 3.6 billions US Dollars. Coal resources amount it three million tons, which partially lie deep down at 300 m below the surface. In 1996 the “Cerrejon Norte� production accounted for 60% of the national production,. The American company EXXON and the states owned company CARBOCOL are partners in the Cerrejón norte mine. Each company owns 50% of the project. New deposits are tapped by CARBOCOL, and they assure that nor only US technology is desired to develop these new deposits.
http://www.usergioarboleda.edu.co/PyMEs/english/raw_materials.htm

So, tasco, yeah, the answer is...I guess you could say that.

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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tasco66 says on Jul 18, 2008, 11:17:

"Oil exploitation rights belong to the state owned company ECOPETROL, one of the most important buyers of European machinery, installations and pipelines"

What has that got to do with your statement that multinationals steal gold from Colombia? Your paste article seems to show the exact opposite...

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jul 18, 2008, 11:19:

Keep on readin'. tasco. The whole paragraph.
.

However, Ecopetrol exploits not all oil fields. Many foreign companies have acquired rights"

"Norte��? production accounted for 60% of the national production,. The American company EXXON and the states owned company CARBOCOL are partners in the Cerrejón norte mine. Each company owns 50% of the project. New deposits are tapped by CARBOCOL, and they assure that nor only US technology is desired to develop these new deposits.
http://www.usergioarboleda.edu.co/PyMEs/english/raw_materials.htm

So, tasco, yeah, the answer is...I guess you could say that.

An interesting article about gold mining in Colombia, perhaps a brighter future?
http://www.elespectador.com/impreso/articuloimpreso-colombia-mina-de-o...

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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billyb says on Jul 18, 2008, 11:20:

Desi, it still pales in contrast to what you euros have done to the whole world. And don't you euros consider yourselves one entity nowadays? You know, euro parliament, the euro zone, EU and all that good sh!t? Or are you only european for the good stuff, and not when the sh!t hits the fan? I mean, the FARC learned their kidnapping tactics from those euros Pizarro and Cortez, but at least they release some of their hostages when the ransom is payed, as opposed to the traditional european custom of killing the hostage after it is payed (see Atahualpa).

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morphus says on Jul 18, 2008, 11:24:

898iouiu

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jul 18, 2008, 11:24:

We've had a few hundred years of advantage on you guys. With this speed, you'll outdo us in due time. (Actually, I speak only for myself, not for the whole continent. For which of the three Americas do you speak for? Or do you speak for "America" as one continent?)

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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morphus says on Jul 18, 2008, 11:24:

ioi9898

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billyb says on Jul 18, 2008, 11:27:

So what is your point desi? That colombia should have no industrial production, unless it's local mom and pop opertions? It should kick the multis out even if it destroys the economy and caused misery? That is why socialism never works.

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billyb says on Jul 18, 2008, 11:40:

" For which of the three Americas do you speak for? Or do you speak for "America" as one continent?)"


See, I actually use the term US and not american, so I don't see what point you are trying to make, at least one that makes any sense. It is you who pasted words such as, and I quote, "The American company EXXON ", hmmm, that ugly word hypocrisy rears its ugly head again.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jul 18, 2008, 11:41:

I'm all for nationalizing the main raw materials and resources or if that's not feasable, cutting down on the profits made by foreign investment in favour of national production, until the country has infrastructure and economy that is up to par with the first world industrialized nations.

But what I was just ponting out here was that I was not so much off the mark saying that national resources are being, have been and unfortunately, looks like they also will be exploited by multinational companies and foreign investment. I didn't say that "we Euros" havent done that are not doing that, I think I mentioned "Spaniards" in the first place. And we are talking JUST about Colombia, Colombia's national resources, not Angola, Sri Lanka or mining rights on Mars. That's all, billyb.

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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billyb says on Jul 18, 2008, 11:42:

"We've had a few hundred years of advantage on you guys. With this speed, you'll outdo us in due time"

Not anytime soon. It will take any country hundreds of years to make up the hundreds of millions of innocent native poeples the europeans have massacred.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jul 18, 2008, 11:43:

Billy, I didn't write that article.

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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billyb says on Jul 18, 2008, 11:45:

"And we are talking JUST about Colombia, Colombia's national resources, not Angola, Sri Lanka or mining rights on Mars. That's all, billyb"

So screwing other peoples is fine, as long as they are not colombian and it was done by euros?

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billyb says on Jul 18, 2008, 11:46:

"Billy, I didn't write that article."

But you pasted it, so you must have thought it valid, no?

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Jul 18, 2008, 11:52:

A lot of the information above is getting pretty old. Exxon, for example, is no longer involved in Cerrejon coal and the petroleum laws, the natural resources agencies and the ownership of Ecopetrol have all had significant changes.

When it comes to metals extraction (precious and non-precious) I believe the the biggest players in Colombia are British, Australian, Swiss, South African and Canadian. I don't think US miners had, or have, a comparable Colombian or global footprint. We don't need no stinkin' gold, the streets are already paved with it. He-he.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jul 18, 2008, 12:06:

I'm sure you're right, Tinto. This isn't really my specialty. I just hate it when people hack whole paragraphs in bits and pieces just that they'd be able to contradict somebody else. All I was saying that Colombian resources have been bled by multiple different players throughout the history.

Billy, I thought the article contained some information about mining in Colombia.

Billy, are bored or something???? I raised a point about the natural wealt of COLOMBIA and am still discussing just that. I don't know what is your argument.

And Billy, with the modern mass destruction weapons that your country posesses and the willingness of your leaders to start wars in third world countries ot shouldn't take that long. "We" had only the sword, the pike and the occasional musket when we conquered and killed in far-away regions of the globe.

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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ColombianoGringo says on Jul 18, 2008, 12:06:

Funny how the mods can be the worst threadjackers. It makes me feel less guilty when I do it ;)

Carry on.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jul 18, 2008, 12:10:

I didn't start it!
I was just giving a popular interpretation about the symbolic meaning of the colors of the Colombian flag!


"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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ColombianoGringo says on Jul 18, 2008, 12:12:

Ha Ha. I'm just giving you two the business.

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billyb says on Jul 18, 2008, 12:13:

"Billy, are bored or something???? I raised a point about the natural wealt of COLOMBIA and am still discussing just that. I don't know what is your argument."

No, what you did was take one of your usual cheapshots against the US on thread a that had nothing to do with politics. And I quote:

"Yellow is all the gold stolen by first the Spaniards, then the gringos and now the multinationals"


and I just decided to call you on it. Why? Because I am bored.

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Jul 18, 2008, 12:13:

In my admittedly limited reading of history, I don't think Colombia was milked dry to the extent Bolivia, Peru or Mexico were by colonial powers or foreign mining companies. First, Colombia did not possess large, easily accessible quantities of gold, silver, tin, zinc and lead and second, a fair amount of the gold mining was centered in and around Antioquia, it wasn't all that active until the late 1800s, and it was a local business. Ultimately that small-scale mining provided a lot of capital and technical know-how that made Medellin a regional industrial power today.

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billyb says on Jul 18, 2008, 12:16:

" a fair amount of the gold mining was centered in and around Antioquia, it wasn't all that active until the late 1800s"

And many of those miners were from Cornwall, so we might have to bring this up with Kern ;)

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jul 18, 2008, 12:19:

I've been trying to find info about the US mining operations in Chocó at the turn of the century...that is, last century). I know I heard my father-in-law talking about it several times, how after they found gold in the rivers of Chocó and the blacks were panning small about every day, the minig rights were given to a US company that brought machinery and cleaned the rivers of what gold they posessed. You can still find small gold nuggets in the sands of those rivers, but it's just occasional.

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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billyb says on Jul 18, 2008, 12:21:

Now that you have been proven wrong, let's get back to flags ;)

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tasco66 says on Jul 18, 2008, 12:28:

"Funny how the mods can be the worst threadjackers. It makes me feel less guilty when I do it ;)"

Jajaja what happened to the "Stay on topic."???

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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kernow62 says on Jul 18, 2008, 12:30:

We just ran the mines BillyB and worked them, we didn't own them.

By the way, if you have any proof that there were Cornish miners in that region I would be intersted in the details. I have two friends, one in Brazil and one in Cornwall documenting Cornish miners in the Americas and Colombia is one region we didn't have much of a presence. Some limited copper mining near Venezuela, but this is the first I have heard of gold.

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Jul 18, 2008, 12:30:

When I was a little nipper and my Mom told me to clean my room, I would respond with:

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jul 18, 2008, 12:39:

I found what I was looking for, unfortunately it's in Spanish. But for Billy, I think it might be interesting reading. And it's a very highly credited source.

And no, I have NOT been proven to be wrong.

"En claro contraste observamos los estragos producidos por las enormes dragas de "la transnacional estadounidense International Mining Co. de Nueva York, que desde 1886 ha mantenido el control absoluto sobre la producción de metales preciosos a través de sus filiales Cía. Minera Chocó Pacífico S. A., Frontino Gold Mines Ltda., Pato Consolidated S.A., Novita Mines Corporation, Cía. Promotora Colombiana S. A., Mineros Ltda., y Pacific Metals Corporation. De acuerdo con algunos estudios, la I. M. C. ha sacado del país más de 3.000 millones de dólares en oro y platino, con una inversión insignificante" . ( 3 )

Dueña de grandes extensiones de tierra en forma de concesiones, ha destruido los ríos y convertido la tierra en pedregales inservibles, arruinando a cientos de poblaciones, que derivaban el sustento diario de la minería tradicional. Miles de familias han quedado sumidas en la pobreza, sus miembros sin trabajo, perplejos ante los nuevos desiertos y ante la complicidad de las altas esferas gubernamentales.

En la zona minera del Chocó la transnacional suspendió operaciones en 1975; se declaró en quiebra cuando ya tenía agotadas las zonas de explotación, desconoció los derechos económicos y sociales de los trabajadores, y a cambio les ofreció las viejas y obsoletas dragas. "
http://www.lablaa.org/blaavirtual/sociologia/comunida/cap1b.htm

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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billyb says on Jul 18, 2008, 12:43:

Kernow, about a year ago I sent you a link to the article that talked about the Cornish miners in the late 19th century in Colombia in a special issue of Semana. Do you want me to try and find it again? It talked about how in some of those former mining villages, there are still some paisa families with Cornish last names.

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billyb says on Jul 18, 2008, 12:49:

I don't know what that article proves, beyond that there are foreign owned mines in Colombia. and more importantly, what does it have to do with flags ;)

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jul 18, 2008, 13:03:

It proves that that US mining companies have been exploting Colombian gold deposits in Chocó for 100 years at least....which proves my point to ad nauseaum and shows that you can throw as many glib remarks on my way as you'd like and I can still prove my point with factual information, not just off-hand remarks.

And NOW we can return to the prettiest flags....

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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billyb says on Jul 18, 2008, 13:14:

I'm bored with flags, can we go back to mining?

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Jul 18, 2008, 13:20:

Desi, I wouldn't go so far as to say US companies have been in that region for at least 100 years, because that may not be true on a continuous basis.

Here's something from the NY Times of 1919 (click on the embedded .pdf). Ownership of mines changed frequently and one or more of the companies referenced in your post above had British, American and South African money. No surprise since mining is an ancient, and perhaps one of the first truly global, industries. Other sources put the French and the Belgians in the Choco region in the late 1800/early 1900s, too.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9D0DE2D81F39E13ABC4B52D...

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jul 18, 2008, 13:23:

Read the whole page from Biblioteca Virtual and we can get back to mining, deforestation, oil palm plantations and the general conditions of life in the Colombian Pacific basin whenever you feel like talking about it.

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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billyb says on Jul 18, 2008, 13:31:

"we can get back to mining, deforestation, oil palm plantations and the general conditions of life in the Colombian Pacific basin whenever you feel like talking about it"

And your point being? That this is all the fault of the US? Or that you are the only one on PBH that is aware that there is misery in Colombia, not to mention in the rest of the world?


"Other sources put the French and the Belgians in the Choco region in the late 1800/early 1900s, too."


Do those count also? Or were those EUROPEAN companies putting their workers up in penthouses and providing them with catered meals and free maid service?

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jul 18, 2008, 13:37:

Oh, I give up.
You're not interested in a serious exchange. I can't talk with people who side-step all the time. Sorry.

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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billyb says on Jul 18, 2008, 14:19:

We can paste all the articles we like, but that doesn't obscure my main point, that you took a gratuitous cheapshot at the US and you were called on it, and now you are trying to throw anything against the wall to see what sticks in hopes of side tracking that main point.

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MaFe says on Jul 18, 2008, 14:34:

billyb says on Jul 18 (today): flag
"What a bunch of BS and hypocracy, the biggest (maybe the only) practitioners of genocide and mass plunder of wealth against the native peoples of the world has been you europeans desi, and for you to smuggly sit there and point to the US and the multis, when whatever they have done pails in comparison what you europeans have done to the world, is just too laughable."

Billy, good point!! Europeans managed to do this in just about every continent!
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"tasco66 says on Jul 18 (today): flag

And the red is for all the Indian blood that flowed in the greatest genocide in history perpetrated by the Europeans

I have read this too!

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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MitchAlvarez says on Jul 18, 2008, 14:51:

"Ingrid callate la jeta!! Stay in France"

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billyb says on Jul 18, 2008, 14:52:

Is that the barque La Gloria?

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MitchAlvarez says on Jul 18, 2008, 14:54:

"Ingrid callate la jeta!! Stay in France"

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kernow62 says on Jul 18, 2008, 14:57:

Oh, now I remember the article BillyB. If you can find it send it again. I haven't been at that computer for a while, I am sure it is on one of my machines so don't go to too much bother. I did send the article to my friends already though.

If I ever get a Medellin phone directory I might scour it for names.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jul 18, 2008, 14:58:

How come I'm not surprised...you two must've grown up playing in the same sandbox and reading the same comic books.


And no, Billyb, I didn't take a cheap shot at the US. I said..."Spaniards...which are Europeans, US companies ( well-documented mining explotaition in Chocó and part of the living collective memory of everybody who who grew up in Colombia in the thirties, forties, fifties, sixties, seventies) and multinationals (which include European, US, Canadian, Australian etc. companies). Too bad you have to feel more defensive about your adopted country than the country of your birth....or were you born in Colombia?

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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billyb says on Jul 18, 2008, 14:58:

I'll see if I can find it.

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MitchAlvarez says on Jul 18, 2008, 15:08:

"Ingrid callate la jeta!! Stay in France"

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billyb says on Jul 18, 2008, 15:35:

"Too bad you have to feel more defensive about your adopted country than the country of your birth....or were you born in Colombia?"

Another of your patented cheapshots? Of course I was born in Colombia and unlike you I don't have to pretend, but that doesn't stop me from loving the country where I live which is the US. Take one of your cheapshots at Colombia and you will see how defensive I can get there also.