Beginning salary?

esanch36 says on Oct 6, 2009, 09:04:

2.000.000 a month if your lucky. 1.500.000 is the norm..

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sloopskipper says on Oct 6, 2009, 09:07:

Thanx, esanch. That's a lot more than I expected.

Seems that some people think "everybody's outa step but me".

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viajero123 (☼Travelguide writer) says on Oct 6, 2009, 09:16:

BUSHWICK-BILL says on Oct 6, 2009, 09:36:

business adimnistration you wont get a lot.... 1.5 millions is not enough for living here....

CARDIFF SOUL CREW.......

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Bill Turley (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Oct 6, 2009, 10:25:

sloopskipper says on Oct 6, 2009, 10:28:

But it seems that if you must pay rent and daily transportation, that would take a pretty good chunk out of 1.5 millones (at least in the major cities), no?

Seems that some people think "everybody's outa step but me".

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BUSHWICK-BILL says on Oct 6, 2009, 11:23:

Bill but I think you are the owner of your place??? So you save 1,5 million for rent..... And you dont live in a city.. Bogota is expensive.... and the transportation....

CARDIFF SOUL CREW.......

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esanch36 says on Oct 6, 2009, 11:33:

yeah 1.5 is hard...i think you could only live on that if you had roomates or lived with your parents

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ConorC says on Oct 6, 2009, 11:35:

COP$1.2m for starting job with one of the Big Four in Audit...roughly...

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sloopskipper says on Oct 6, 2009, 16:08:

I've looked at many listings and have seen nothing like that, and they all want 1-4 years experience (and sometimes under 25 years of age, AND they often specify gender), not recent grad.

www.lared.com.co, alone, has 346 pages (about 28 per page).

Seems that some people think "everybody's outa step but me".

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sloopskipper says on Oct 6, 2009, 17:15:

From what I saw today, you could not hire someone to sweep the floors in a developed country (with health care & retirement), for what they offer an experienced college grad to be a manager in Colombia.

Seems that some people think "everybody's outa step but me".

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njc (Dev team) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Oct 6, 2009, 17:24:

Not exactly what you asked for, but it might help to get an idea: http://www.portafolio.com.co/finanzas/guias/lauoportunidades/ARTICULO-...

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sloopskipper says on Oct 6, 2009, 17:34:

I asked:
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"What would be a reasonable starting wage for a first job for a recent graduate with a licenciado in business administration, and is semi-fluent in English (Cali, Bogotá, Medellin, or Cartagena)?"

and made comments on my research (which conflicts with the opinion of a couple learned members).

The chart only supports my comments. A thousand U.S. dollars for a physician (although they only have half the education in Colombia, compared to the U.S.? [the first Colombian I met was a doctor at age 23]).

If you are in NJ, most MDs would probably start there at nearly a hundred grand after residency (without research, and only a shot from the hip), which is also absurd.

Seems that some people think "everybody's outa step but me".

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njc (Dev team) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Oct 6, 2009, 17:41:

sloopskipper says on Oct 6, 2009, 18:02:

Yes, of course you are right about MDs. I don't know how Panamá compares with Colombia, but my Panamanian doc studied his specialties in Miami, and is somehow still licensed there.

But, from what I discovered from reading numerous job postings, in business administration situations, a college grad with 1- 4 years expierence is lucky to earn more than $500US, often working 5.5 days per week, or more, and I assume with no benefits, except what is maybe provided by the country (I don't know, but suspect no life insurance, maybe medical insurance, and a niggardly stipend on retiring).

Perhaps the pension is like here in Panamá where the retirement benefit is something like $50US per month

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sloopskipper says on Oct 6, 2009, 18:12:

But, NJC, since like many members, you make no disclosures on your profile it's not so easy to frame your comments. But, I assume that you are in the U.S., and maybe born there. After 3 years in Puerto Rico, I am in Panamá for about the same time, although I was born and raised in Pennsylvania and lived there, and much of the rest of the U.S., most of my life.

As my 18th country, I spent a short week in Cartagena, but a Colombian has lived in my house for about 3 years (and I have a couple Colombian amigos/as here), but am no expert, on much of anything.

Seems that some people think "everybody's outa step but me".

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viajero123 (☼Travelguide writer) says on Oct 6, 2009, 19:07:

njc (Dev team) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Oct 6, 2009, 21:34:

sloopskipper says on Oct 7, 2009, 04:37:

I was thinking 8 years to become an MD, but that would only include 4 years pre-med, and another 4 in medical school.

According to the U.S. Bureau of Laber Statistics:

"Becoming a doctor requires more training than most other jobs. It usually takes at least 11 years to become a doctor: 4 years of college, 4 years of medical school, and 3 years working in a hospital. For some specialties, doctors may have to work in a hospital for up to 8 years before they are trained.

To become a doctor, you should study biology, chemistry, physics, math, and English. It is not easy to get into medical school. You have to do very well in college and on medical school entrance tests.

Students spend most of the first 2 years of medical school in labs and classrooms. They take lots of science courses. They also learn to ask patients the right questions and how to examine them. They learn how to tell what sickness a patient has. In the last 2 years, students work with patients and doctors in hospitals and clinics. After medical school, doctors go to work in a hospital for a few years. They are called residents. To be a resident, you must take a test."

"How much does this job pay?

Of all jobs, being a doctor usually pays the most money. The Medical Group Management Association's Physician Compensation and Production Survey says that most doctors earned between $132,953 and $321,686 in 2005. How much they earned depended on how long they had been doctors and where they lived. It also depended on how many hours they worked and how good a doctor they were. And it depended on what kind of doctor they were—specialists usually made more than general practitioners."

http://www.bls.gov/k12/help06.htm

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