Aura y Calipro

ReinaDeLa Baile says on Dec 2, 2004, 17:21:

She is gorgeous .... but why is your face erased? Are you ... casado? ehem, ehem.
JA JA JA. Seguro que si creo yo! Aaaaaaaaaay, los latinos!

Mariangela says on Dec 2, 2004, 17:23:

Bad plastic surgery? Man! What happened to your face? You gotta sue that doctor! :-)
It looks like you and Aura are having a great time togehter.
Mariángela

Mariángela

Lionheart says on Dec 2, 2004, 17:37:

a beauty she is what bribe will you need for your password for the other albums?

thundernco says on Dec 2, 2004, 17:37:

Thundernco Hey CP,

Hope you're well bud. -TNC

ReinaDeLa Baile says on Dec 2, 2004, 17:38:

YEAH WHAT KIND OF BRIBE I can tell those albums are NOT rated G. OKAY? ehem, ehem. Ave Maria, in teh name of el padre, ........

thundernco says on Dec 2, 2004, 17:41:

CP... Ex-wife album? Shoot me an email and let me know what's up.

Take Care, TNC

thundernco says on Dec 2, 2004, 17:43:

Never mind, I figured it out. Take Care -TNC

isaactraveler says on Dec 2, 2004, 18:14:

hey calipro. she is very nice looking. From what I can tell about you though I think they sell something that will clear that up on TV. Look for the ads with Vanessa Williams. that crap will clear anything up.

calipro says on Dec 2, 2004, 19:57:

zagarise
"Why the Colombian woman get married with uglu male from Usa????"

Según las caleñas, los hombres italianos son pervertidos sexuales. Siempre les gusta meter sus palillos en el anus de cualquier persona o animal. ¡Por supuesto las mujeres colombianas dicen que es agradable de vez en cuando pero Todos los días!

Dionysus says on Dec 3, 2004, 00:54:

A severe case of hot lips? "What a world, what a world...."......calipro's face is melting!!!! Where's your face, man? Her lips can't be that hot!

Dionysus says on Dec 3, 2004, 01:19:

Not Zag' again!!! Zag,
You really gotta channel all that energy. It's obviously eating you up inside. Let it out! Create your own website! Get to it, Zag! You can call it...

zaganolikauglumalefromausa.com

OR

zagawishahehadacolombiana.com

OR

zagafightaforadacolombiana.com

OR

zagahatausa.com

OR

colombianasavior.com.................Just ideas, Zag.

NOW CHANNEL THAT ENERGY ALREADY OR THE COLOMBIANAS WILL NEVER BE THE SAME!

Dolfi says on Dec 3, 2004, 03:23:

How old are you and how old is she?

kat1 (Moderator) says on Dec 3, 2004, 03:58:

Calipro you should erase your wife face to protec her from Elmo lol.

calipro says on Dec 3, 2004, 04:14:

Hot lips.... Dionysus

Yeah her lips are that hot. I'm going to see a doctor as soon as possible.

Dolfi

I'm 42 and she is 20. She'll turn 21 in march before I turn 43.

kat1

Don't worry. Me and Elmo have a deal. He can have all the americanas and I can have all the caleñas. He says he likes women that look like Britney Spears. I wish him all the luck in the world. Personally I would trade all the Britney look alikes in the world for one hot caleña or even a Christina Aguilera look alike.

vicshere says on Dec 3, 2004, 05:11:

dont see any pics where they removed????

listo
"con mucho gusto"
Vic

listo

Angel_Gabriel says on Dec 3, 2004, 07:49:

Credits! Calipro,

I want to be like you when I get grow up. Thumbs up mate! You scored high in your credit report!

Angel_Gabriel says on Dec 3, 2004, 07:49:

TYPO: ....when I grow up...at your 40s you're a lucky bastard

Lauthra says on Dec 3, 2004, 07:55:

OI! Calipro, why did you blur your face out??

"I'm not to handsome"
Damn right, but I'm sure you're loaded, so no wonder you can get really young girl.

Nato
www.theburrow.co.uk

Nato (='.'=)

Lauthra says on Dec 3, 2004, 08:24:

Nah US dollars who further here, so he may as well appear to be 'loaded' in Cali.
Self-confidence won't matter to a young girl, how naive do you have to be to not see they want a Sugar Daddy and he wants a trophy girlfriend, or in his case girlfriends. It's as simple as that!

Nato
www.theburrow.co.uk

Nato (='.'=)

kat1 (Moderator) says on Dec 3, 2004, 08:42:

Lauthra leave the poor cali alone. maybe he has a lot of charisma and I always said beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I seen here in the UK some older guys wow wow, if I were single I'll be there. so you see no everything is about money. What I see in this forums is all the pict of the girlfriend or wife they hard very reveling clothes, am I out fashion? lol

Lauthra says on Dec 3, 2004, 08:43:

HAHA! Yeah, I'm a bit slow to pick sarcasm... :P
Well, to be honest, fair play to him for finding these girls that want what he's got and vica-versa!
They're very Cali like indeed, a bit too 'cheap' for my taste, but he wouldn't have been able to snatch anything classier!

Nato
www.theburrow.co.uk

Nato (='.'=)

Angel_Gabriel says on Dec 3, 2004, 08:46:

Lauthra, Are you Caleña?

Angel

Lauthra says on Dec 3, 2004, 08:50:

Yes! And I have stated that several times, so?
Nato
www.theburrow.co.uk

Nato (='.'=)

Gerbil says on Dec 3, 2004, 09:08:

Hurrah! I wade in too :) Lauthra's partner here :)
She's been showing me some of the threads on here and I must say I'm disappointed but not exactly suprised.

The thing that's been annoying me particularly about a lot of these threads is simply that they prove that a lot of people that come to Colombia and are interested in Colombia aren't really interested in it at all - they only like it because of what their money can buy here that they otherwise couldn't get (because let's face it - there's no way girls like this (and I don't even find them pretty, but I'm prepared to admit others may) would go with someone like Calipro for any other reason than money.

Now, having said that, I'm with Nato on the 'he has what she wants, she has what he wants' in so far as it goes. However, it's naive to think that this simple 'business transaction' has no repercussions.

Ever wonder why a lot of guys over here hate foreigners? Well, Calipro is the answer. He comes here and picks up women simply because he's got money. What kind of impression does this give Colombians about us? And let's face it, Calipro has, by his posted photos, shown he's not exactly discreet about it.
If I saw someone old, foreign and grim taking sexy photos of a young english girl in England I'd not be ecstatic.

Now Calipro has every right to look for happiness. That he finds it by 'buying' women might not be to my tastes, but it's nothing to do with me. The problem is it has a much larger effect than simply boy-meets-girl, and everytime people see 'couples' like this, it makes it a little bit harder for the rest of us, and ingrains those stereotypes that little bit more on a people who are, generally, amazingly open and friendly.

Basically I'm just getting really sick of people claiming they love Colombia but who in fact just love the fact that the luck of their birth-place allows them to do things that would otherwise be beyond them.

For all of you who claim to love colombia, what exactly do you do to show it? Do you go out with young girls and spend money like it's going out of fashion?
Hell, we all do that (although I have the decency to limit myself to one beautiful calena) ;)
But do you actually give anything back at all, or are you simply reinforcing the image that foreigners are a bad thing?

Barry
www.theburrow.co.uk

PS Forgive the lack of accent on calena - I can't stand typing on a spanish-layout keyboard.

Barry www.theburrow.co.uk

Lauthra says on Dec 3, 2004, 09:14:

Kat1 There is no way you can compare the UK with Cali, and if you believe Calipro's situation, which is not the only one, is not about money I have to say I think you're being a bit too naive. I just can't give someone that posts the link of his girlfriends pictures in knickers the benefit of the doubt.

Nato
www.theburrow.co.uk

Nato (='.'=)

Angel_Gabriel says on Dec 3, 2004, 09:16:

Just Curious... ...I don't come here as often lately...if you were to give an advice to a good-sweet-young man like myself (assume for a minute it's your son going back on vacation after so long, or cousin who's never been there & also assume that you know what goes on in the mind of a SINGLE twenty-something guy) :) about making sure how to get, how to strike it more than just plain good with pretty women like yourself in Cali...(I mean really, you know it's us guys)...what would you advise? Or do you think giving the aura of money it's all it? Appearances are everything to an extent...sounds like juggling a bunch of plates in the air to me, just like in NYC.

Angel_Gabriel says on Dec 3, 2004, 09:16:

Last one was for Lauthra... Muchas Gracias!!!

kat1 (Moderator) says on Dec 3, 2004, 09:18:

Would you all think different is he was posing with this girl but instead of her wearing all that sexy clothes, she wore a polo neck,jeans a bit of make and a big smile? I don't know sometimes some of the pict in this forums the girls are !look at me! if you know what I mean or the guys telling them to wear the sexiest clothes so they can show look what I've got. maybe I am wrong.

caslug says on Dec 3, 2004, 09:19:

live and let live... foreigners dating "hot model" type are very very few in Cali. I bet most the of Cali "models" are dating older, richer COL or young, rich, COL. Hang out in a Casino on Fri/Sat night and you'll see what I mean.

So why don't the young, poor, COL give those guys a hard time? Because they mostly don't care. COL men are typically very friendly and easy going. All the local guys I talk with, tell that COL women are hot and I should get to know COL women better. As long as you are nice & respectful, the local guys/girls could care less who you are with. Looks like the only people who care are some posters here.

Lauthra says on Dec 3, 2004, 09:20:

Well... Just be yourself, and do what you would do in NYC. If you don't speak spanish, try and find someone that speaks English, believe me it's not that hard! Trying to 'communicate' without speaking each other language it's just absourd!

Nato
www.theburrow.co.uk

Nato (='.'=)

Angel_Gabriel says on Dec 3, 2004, 09:22:

Mi primera lengua es Español Muchas Gracias!!!

Lauthra says on Dec 3, 2004, 09:24:

AH! Then you will have no problems ;)
Nato
www.theburrow.co.uk

Nato (='.'=)

kat1 (Moderator) says on Dec 3, 2004, 09:24:

Lauthra I didn't see the knickers one! well I change my mind. no way that a man that respect me is going to take pict of me in knickers and put them in in the web.

Lauthra says on Dec 3, 2004, 09:26:

Yes, but... by the same token, no respectable girl will let a dirty old man take pictures of her in her knickers! Ves?

Nato
www.theburrow.co.uk

Nato (='.'=)

Gerbil says on Dec 3, 2004, 09:37:

I suppose there's a line between 'sexy' and 'overt', and each of us draws that line somewhere else. For example, Nato's gallery here has a picture of her that some would more than likely consider 'too much'. At least we know for a fact that the picture is posted with her consent though ;)

And while I think caslug makes a valid point, that most don't care, I'd play on the importance of his statement backing it up:

'As long as you are nice & respectful, the local guys/girls could care less who you are with.'

But, I don't see how calipro's actions shows any respect. Hence the difference.

I guess I'm old and cynical ;) It would be lovely to be in a world where I could look at a couple like Calipro and his girlfriend and not immediately jump to the conclusion that it can't be because of his (for example) great personality, but because of money.

But do any of his actions about this show any degree of respect?
So far I make out:
1) Flaunting the girl in public to pose sexy.
2) Posting up pictures of them in their underwear (ok only 1, but definate knickers in the other) most likely without their permission.
3) Stating it's ok to have multiple girlfriends over here.

Regarding point 3, I'd say you are utterly wrong. Unless (!) of course none of them are serious or ever intend to get serious, or the girls have no interest in you as a person anyway.
And at Calipro's age, you are a bit too old to just be playing the field IMO (mind you, I've never seen the point particularly. Anything you can do with a girl is better when you love each other).

I'm proud of Nato - she is not only intelligent and caring, but young and hot! Hence I'm happy to 'flaunt' her. But then, I'm also confident that she's with me because she loves me.

Actually I'm REALLY curious now Calipro - what do you think these girls think about you, and what do you think about them? I'm talking about in a serious, level-headed, honest way.

Barry
www.theburrow.co.uk

Barry www.theburrow.co.uk

kat1 (Moderator) says on Dec 3, 2004, 09:44:

Don't tell Elmo about the knickers one, he will be there like a shot, maybe he will join calipro in Colombia.

elmodefoque says on Dec 3, 2004, 09:45:

knickers?? ladies, what in tarnation is that??

kat1 (Moderator) says on Dec 3, 2004, 09:46:

U see he even smelled the pos U see he even smelt the post lol

elmodefoque says on Dec 3, 2004, 09:48:

i could smell that thing a mile away, more so during that time of the month

elmodefoque says on Dec 3, 2004, 09:52:

what the hell are you guys talking about, if you got pictures of naked broads i want in too. where do i go?

Lauthra says on Dec 3, 2004, 09:57:

LOOK! At the beginning of the thread elmo!
Nato
www.theburrow.co.uk

Nato (='.'=)

elmodefoque says on Dec 3, 2004, 10:03:

wow!! that is freaking sick!! hey calipro you creep that's my moms name (aura) jejejej. can i be your best friend? let me smell your hands you lucky f__k.

Tinto (Moderator) says on Dec 3, 2004, 10:08:

Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Elmo (I have a hard time squaring the online persona of Elmo with a guy that says he works with Bill Moyers and Charlie Rose). ;-)

heat says on Dec 3, 2004, 10:14:

calipro i think it's funny that you post pics of some girl on the internet for all the world to see but blur out your own face. what's up with that? doesn't seem like a very gentlemanly thing to do (IMO).

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 3, 2004, 10:15:

there's a world of difference between a caleña and a caleña, gerbil. About three stratas, I'd say, just judging by the picture evidence.
Cheers,
Desi

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

elmodefoque says on Dec 3, 2004, 10:47:

Tinto, Charlie Rose tapes down the street not in our studios; all we really do is just air his shows.
What you see in those pictures is exactly what I been talking about for weeks about most Colombian women.
Is it supposed to bother me?
Colombian women never liked me anyway, but gringa girls love my Indian ass, even with out a penny to my name. Caprio has pictures like that, I got them too plus video tapes of me and a number of very stunning gringa girls in action, but no way am I going to let anyone see that. Hell no!! I guarantee that if you see my naked butt (now) with that hairy nut hanging way too low, you will throw up. I should burn those things before they end up in the internet.

kat1 (Moderator) says on Dec 3, 2004, 10:53:

Elmo can I see a pict of yourself, to see how you look now.

elmodefoque says on Dec 3, 2004, 11:01:

I’m not that much different from that guy in that picture , except I’m almost 20 years older, 40 pounds heavier, I still got about 3 or 4 of those very black hairs on my head left, the rest are all now silver and of course I no longer walk around with long hair.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 3, 2004, 11:40:

somehow it does make me glad that calipro is taking out all these poor, underpriviledged girls out to dinner to eat mushrooms and stuff, because I don't think they get to be invited out that often...
cheers,
Desi
(and as they say...pasito conmigo, pues!)

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

elmodefoque says on Dec 3, 2004, 12:15:

Kat, I found a current pic, but first I need to clarify something. This is my “corroncho� look in Barranquilla; the only thing missing is the gold chain. I’m no NARCO! I’m just the typical guajiro in Barranquilla, usually found in the old bars/clubs in of that very fun city, dancing to vallenato, salsa, merengue, reaggeton, bachata and of course cumbia.
As soon as I’m back in NYC I change like superman and become a well manner 40 something NY guy in very casual clothing.
My ass is always very tan no matter how cloudy and cold it gets in NY.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 3, 2004, 12:19:

elmo you haven't changed all that much. I loved your hippy-dippy 70's picture with that long hair and jeans outfit, reminded me of somebody else....
and I have discoverd that the tanned behinds of Colombians do get paler in the northern climes...
cheers,
Desi

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

BxUnika says on Dec 3, 2004, 14:49:

You Know, I Was Thinking the Same Thing... I don't like jumping to conclusions or making accusations but Lauthra, Gerbil, and Heat all hit the nail right on the head with what they've said.

First, even the most liberal person would probably wonder what a 18-20 year old girl is doing with someone who is old enough to be her father, no less several 18-20 year olds and with a foreigner, no less. That just reads non-kosher no matter how you look at it. What's more is the fact that there are several of them and that ALL of them are basically kids (and I am the same age about as they are and I say this), not just one. I hate to see people used, but the using in this case seems mutual. He gets a pretty, naive little girl to parade around and they get a Sugar Daddy.

The fact that calipro is very happy to brag about and post dozens of pictures of these young women (probably without their permission) for todo el mundo to see while he is quite fast in disguising his own identity by blacking out his face just says it all. Look at it this way: if he didn't think what he was doing was wrong in someway he wouldn't have to hide behind a screen name and a blacked-out image.

And while I love the US, my country and have no intention of leaving, I do understand why a Colombian (or any nationality) may think badly of American men. What he is doing is just short of soliciting prostitution. Look at it this way: man pays woman fopr sex and companionship and there is no "real" relationship. Sorry to simplify it to those terms, but what else could you really call it? If a male does that to a woman he's a gigilo.

I mean, when I got to Colombia I hope to spend a night or two in a 5-star hotel because this is something I couldn't do in my wildest dreams here in New York, but then again, I actually do love the people and the culture. I eat chuleta empanizada, arepas, la bandeja paisa, and lulo all the time, root for Deportivo Cali, listen to Colombian music, and have Colombian friends here in the US. This is an on going interest, not just a way to go to another country and use my mighty US dolalr to exploit people.

But that is me. In any case, I'm glad I was not just seeing things and that other people were thinking what I was.

utopiacowboy says on Dec 3, 2004, 15:15:

Calipro used to be married to a Colombiana and he may in fact love the culture and the people. Young girls are not for me but even in the US, an old guy can get young chicks if he has enough fame or money or both. We think that if two people in a relationship and share the same culture, nationality or age group, then it must be love but even then it could be about money or fame or sex - who knows?

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

mad_lion says on Dec 3, 2004, 15:27:

I am not one to get....... into a contest of who picks up women, but to sit there and brag about your "trophies" is just downright stupid. Especially in a forum where 50% of the members are women; engaged, married and most deeply in love with their fiances or husbands like GringaColombiana and Kat1 - not too smart of a move Calipro.

What would happen if one of the members of this board is related to the girl you are posting about? How would you feel to ruin that poor girls reputation in Colombia? You problably don't give a s***t - no wonder you've said you have received death threats before. I'd kick your ass too if that was my sister or even just a friend you just posted.

Of course, what is even sadder, is if you actually thinks these girls are with you becuase you got looks Brad Pitt would envy - LOL!

Not to hate on you Calipro...do your thang, but just remember: these girls are not with you for your charm. Not to brag, but if you stand in one corner in Cali, and I am standing next to you with my shirt open, your blue passport and money would not stand a chance; yet you do not see me posting pics of what surely are innocent girls that do not know they are being used as internet showcase trophies.

We want to see pictures of members and their colombia travels yes, of course, but no need to put down women as your collection...you offend many ladies here, and Colombianos who would kick your ass if they met you in person...be careful! It will eventually catch-up to you.

I'm sure there are web-sites out there that encourage single gringo travelers looking for adventure with foreign women; this is not the one.

My .02

caslug says on Dec 3, 2004, 17:38:

Lighten up.. Half the post on this site is about foreign men/women traveling to COL and discovering it's hidden charm... from the wonderful culture and people(incl. local men&women). Calipro may be a little more direct in his post. but all he is doing is posting his experience in COL. U gotta admit, the chicas he takes out are pleasing to the eye. We're not seeing anything that local guys in CALI haven't seen when CP takes his models out on dates in CALI. Who cares why a girl goes out with a guy.. as long as it isn't illegal.. Who is to say that going out with someone for their money or fame or looks is wrong. HOT women flaunt their "looks/sex appeal" to get attention and guys, so what's wrong w/ one guy using his other assets.

caslug says on Dec 3, 2004, 17:47:

mulitple girlfriends in COL... It's more common than you think... I've talk w/ many locals men during my trips, and the general consensus was if they could afford it(money/time) then many of them did have a second Girlfriend. Several guys I talked w/ that did this had steady girlfriend or wives, BUT they had a 2nd Girlfriend on the side. They even call it GF#2, they usually are ones that they're never planning to be serious w/ so GF#2 never has a chance to replace GF#1. Obviously GF#2 is short term, 1-3 mos, then get replaces by another, that way nothing serious ever developes. I even asked how they manage to keep GF#1 from knowing. One guy told me, he just tells GF#1 he's working late that night or that night is reserve for hanging out w/ his guy friends.

I even witness a funny scene. I was having a beer at a bar w/ some local guys in BOG. This girl comes over and starts flirting w/ one of the guy(who had to meet his GF#1 in a few hours), the girl sit on his laps and flirt w/ him. Well after she left, his buddy starts blowing cigarette smoke on his suite to hide the smell of the girl. Too funny..

calipro says on Dec 3, 2004, 18:01:

calipro y caleñas "Actually I'm REALLY curious now Calipro - what do you think these girls think about you, and what do you think about them? I'm talking about in a serious, level-headed, honest way."

To tell you the truth I can't read someone's mind. In fact I'm not one to even judge someone by their words but their actions. Aura and Carolina have told me many times that they love me. What does that mean? I'm ver confindant that either one would marry me if I asked and have come to that conclusion based on their actions. They would spend every minute of the day with me if I let them. Kat has never said she loves me but we have had a lot of good times together. I know for a fact she has another colombian boyfriend. I actually ran into the two of them when I was out with another girl. Shs never said anything about it and either did I. If you want to ask them why they go out with me you can meet me in Cali and I will introduce you. I certainly don't pay them to go out with me. Like I said before I pick up the tab and that is about it.

Wow, I post a couple of photos and the crowd goings wild!!
Now I'm rich HUH !! I don't have a personallity either!! Wow!
To tell you the truth, I'm about as rich as the women in the photos are poor, not very.

Then come the accusations of prostitution and the like. Poor sick bastards!! See what happens when you challenge someones beliefs. You are never, ever the good guy.

You don't have to be rich or handsome to have a nice girl that cares about you in Cali. I know I've lived with women 20 years my junior and it was anything but a sex for money thing. But, that's all sick americans and europeans think about. I suggest that you really start to experiance a culture and a country were people can really care about someone with thinking of themselve every second and how a relationship might benefit them. You know there is nothing more rewarding in the world than to make someone you care about happy.

"I am standing next to you with my shirt open, your blue passport and money would not stand a chance; yet you do not see me posting pics of what surely are innocent girls that do not know they are being used as internet showcase trophies."

I'm sorry you think I'm bragging when I'm really trying to enlighten a few of you that think women are all about money and the color of my passport. I saw your picture and there is no doubt in my mind that your could get yourself a very attractive caleña. I really think you are misinterpreting the intentions of these women, they are not all that self serving like americans like to think. They are very fun loving women that live everyday to the fullest not overly concerned about what happened yesterday or what will happen tommorrow. These women are beautiful inside and out. Sorry that you have such a low opinion of them and myself.

Anyway I do have thousands of photos and I may have to post them all at the rate some of you are getting the point. You can love and be loved in Cali by a beautiful woman without money coming into the picture. Believe it!

calipro says on Dec 3, 2004, 19:31:

Lauthra
"There is no way you can compare the UK with Cali, and if you believe Calipro's situation, which is not the only one, is not about money I have to say I think you're being a bit too naive. I just can't give someone that posts the link of his girlfriends pictures in knickers the benefit of the doubt."

Well, Lauthra

What can I say to someone to cheer someone up that has such a grim view of the world.

You are right you can not compare the UK with Cali. I have never heard any colombiano suggest that any woman that I dated was with me for money. Or that I was a pervert or that the women were prostitutes. To tell you the truth your interpretation of my relationships leads me to believe that you are of questionable character yourself. Certainly thieves are more likely to believe that someone else is a thief. You need to get your mind out of the gutter.

adrimm says on Dec 3, 2004, 19:51:

Congrats BUT But I really have to go with BxUnika and Mad_lion on this one.

In particular, the extreme youth of your partner, combined with the age disparity, disturbs me. The personality and tastes of a young woman change considerably in the early 20s, that it without a culture change. I can only imagine what instability a culture change can add.

Additionally, it does appear to some extent as if you are flaunting her. This is an observation from the photos only, but one that you may want to consider if you wish for other people see past the surface. We only know what you show us about yourself, so select representative images carefully.

calipro says on Dec 3, 2004, 20:09:

adrimm Thanks for your concern about the stability of my relationships but I really have no problem with them as some have lasted years already. But, I do not try to force someone to be with me. Any girlfriend that I have is perfectly free to leave the relationship if she chooses to do so. I mean after all we are not married.

Actually I never planned on showing these pictures to anybody when I took them. They were for me. I find these women attractive not just because they are beautiful but because I know them. Some of the photos are of a personal nature but what can I do. These photos that I posted are much less personal than the majority of the photos I like to take.

I try to enlighten a few guys here about age differences and cultural differences in Cali and they think you are full of it.
Then you post some pictures and they try to paint you as a pimp and the women as prostitutes. They really are sad. But, I'm sure there are probably some guys out there that get it.

Anyway I'm going to be in Cali starting on the 15th of Dec. if you don't get it from the pictures and absolutely can't understand how a younger woman could be honestly interested in an older guy, I would be happy to lead you by the hand and show you.

You don't have to be rich or good looking just a pleasant and friendly person.

BxUnika says on Dec 3, 2004, 20:11:

For CaliPro "To tell you the truth your interpretation of my relationships leads me to believe that you are of questionable character yourself. Certainly thieves are more likely to believe that someone else is a thief. You need to get your mind out of the gutter"

Well, people who know they are guilty LOVE to turn the tables and blame others. I don't know if you are a pervert because I don't know you personally (maybe for the better) but when it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, what is it? You can only pretend to be what you aren't for so long. You arrogance is hilarious. If you thought what you were doing was perfectly fine you wouldn't be up here defendng yourself so much and trying to make others look stupid for calling it how they see it. I'm curious as to how many of these women if any know that you have several girlfriends. I also hope you and your "girlfriends" are tested for AIDS and other STDs regularly.

Listen, I am from New York, not some rural town in Idaho. I see guys like you all the time. You are not hiding anything from anyone, though you think you are. I have even had guys like you approach me and I just laugh. You are shallow, you are older, you are manipulative, you are arrogant, and from what little I can make out of your face, you ain't much to look at. You think that these girls love your for your personality and looks?

calipro says on Dec 3, 2004, 20:53:

BxUnika "Listen, I am from New York, not some rural town in Idaho. I see guys like you all the time. You are not hiding anything from anyone, though you think you are. I have even had guys like you approach me and I just laugh. You are shallow, you are older, you are manipulative, you are arrogant, and from what little I can make out of your face, you ain't much to look at. You think that these girls love your for your personality and looks?"

Listen you maybe from New York but you sure sound like a hillbilly to me. Different countries and cities of the world have different values and attitudes. Trying to equate my relationships with an older man and younger woman in New York is just plain dumb. Plenty of young caleñas have relationships with older colombianos. When in Rome do as the Romains do. You would probably be suprised to know that many 18 to 20 year old women in Cali have girlfriends in there thirties. Colombains attitudes towards age differences are much more lax than here in the states, that is my point.

I'm not afraid to rock the boat a little I know some people think that our values, beliefs and way of life are the "right way" and everybody else in the world is some how backward. I have met many a hillybilly like you.

FrankLeal says on Dec 3, 2004, 21:01:

Aquí no nos meten los dedos en la boca Estoy totalmente de acuerdo con BxUnika, Gerbil y mad_lion, y en total desacuerdo con la manera de pensar y actuar de Calipro, aquí no nos venís a meter los dedos en la boca con que las noviecillas solo quieren a un man que las dobla en edad por que sí, eso no pasa ni acá ni en Cafarnaún. Se nota el tipo de viejas que son ellas y lo que es usted. Hey aquí en este foro debería haber algo así como expulsión a personas no gratas, no creen?

heat says on Dec 3, 2004, 22:03:

caslug i don't think folks would mind as much about the age difference or the reasons these young girls are dating calipro if calipro showed at least a bit of respect for them. he doesn't. he posts pictures of them on the internet, in their knickers no less, probably without their knowing, but blurs out his own face. the young girls are just trophies to him and i think some people find that attitude offensive.

many men on this board go to colombia and find themselves with a wonderful colombiana. from their posts you can tell that they are kind, thoughful, intelligent and would treat a woman with respect. that's wonderful. from calipro's posts i find myself asking "hmmmm i wonder why this guy had to go to colombia to get himself a girlfriend?" it also always seems like the guy would just be completely nothing (to himself) w/o a young colombiana in arm. you know what i mean?

BTW - i vote for lauthra & gerbil and utopia & his wife as the nicest looking couples on this forum. and i mean that in a physical sense as well as a general good, happy, mutual respecting couple. good luck to you all :)

calipro says on Dec 3, 2004, 22:05:

FrankLeal "aquí no nos venís a meter los dedos en la boca con que las noviecillas solo quieren a un man que las dobla en edad por que sí, eso no pasa ni acá ni en Cafarnaún"

First I would like to clarify a few points. I don't mean to imply that most caleñas actually prefer a man that is twice there age. What I am saying is there are many, many women in Cali that don't have a problem with it and probably most would never be seen with an older guy.

But, I could go to any mall in Cali and take many photos of couples were the woman is in her teens and the men in their thirties, I could take many more photos of women in their twenties with forty something men and I don't have enough memory cards for my camera to take all the pictures of the 30 something year old women with guys in their fifies. Besides, I might not live to show them to you especially if I went up to them and implied that they bought the women as some have suggested that I did.

This is just a wake up call for those of you that are interested in the cultural differences. For those of you who are not, sorry. As mad_lion pointed out there are many women and men on this board that are already happily married to women twice their age. HeHeHe!! Just kidding, I mean their same age.

So at this point everybody can still believe what ever they like and feel more comfortable with. But, if you are going imply that I'm a liar. Well I might just risk life and limb and take photos of some forty something year old colombianos with really hot young colombianas in their early twenties.

And don't try to convince me that it's not a cultural thing. I saw a bumper sticker in Cali that said "I traded in my 32 year old for two 16 year olds". HeHeHe!!

calipro says on Dec 3, 2004, 22:35:

Desideria
"it does make me glad that calipro is taking out all these poor, underpriviledged girls out to dinner to eat mushrooms and stuff, because I don't think they get to be invited out that often...
cheers,
Desi
(and as they say...pasito conmigo, pues!)"

Desi if this statement was coming from anybody other than you I would be insulted. I already know you are predisposed to think the worst of people. But, why on god's green earth would you think that my girlfriend was poor or that she wouldn't be asked out often??

Actually the girl with the mushroom was offering to feed me one. And of course I eat it.

adrimm says on Dec 3, 2004, 23:07:

Clarification Whoa, yes you're on the defence... BUT you misread what I intended to say!
I didn't mean the stability of your relationship, that is your business *entirely*. I meant in a young person's personality. The culture change can quite likely expedite some pretty drastic influence on an evolving personality, that's the instability I mean.

As for the pics, if they are intended for a personal nature than maybe they should stay that way. Like I said we only see what you show us, and we aren't all best buds in RL, so it's important to share what would be feel comfortable sharing with a co-worker or aquiantance. Just trying to give you some food for thought

Did I personally say anything about money or looks? Nope. So relax, have a beer, and let it go.

calipro says on Dec 3, 2004, 23:26:

Clarification "Did I personally say anything about money or looks? Nope."

That's right you didn't and I didn't say anything about money or looks in my reply to you. So take it easy on the beer. HeHeHe !!

"Like I said we only see what you show us, and we aren't all best buds in RL, so it's important to share what would be feel comfortable sharing with a co-worker or aquiantance."

Well if this is the criteria for sharing information on the board then I guess I'm doing alright. I would have no problem sharing those photos with any of my co-workers if they were interested in Colombia or colombianas.


"I meant in a young person's personality. The culture change can quite likely expedite some pretty drastic influence on an evolving personality, that's the instability I mean."

I think you are absolutely right. I don't think that every young colombiana is suited for life in the U.S. or that everyone is even interested in living here.

I do plan on bring at least one more caleña here to the states but my decision will not be based solely on how attracted I am to her or even how well we get along but on how well I feel she will adapt to american culture and how successful she might be. There's no room for slackers here. Bringing older women here that just want to be a house wife or work a mundane job is not my bag. Young beautiful, ambitious women that have their whole life ahead of them have so much more to gain by living here.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 4, 2004, 03:05:

like your ex-wife who started a "career" of her own there? Remember that everybody who ever was a member of caligringo is familiar with your stories.
I don't believe for one minute that these pictures you are exposing here are anything else than arranged poses to be uploaded at the right time in the internet. I especially liked the one where she was reaching into your pocket while you guys were "kissing".
No, the "hot model" you are exposing here is not a upper class or even a middle-class girl. Her strata is written all over in her face, her clothing (the lack of them), her sculptured nails, the sadness in her big, brown eyes. It says Salomia, Alfonso Lopez, San Nicolas, Champagnat or something in that category. There's nothing wrong with that, of course. She's probably a very sweet young person.
I am not "predisposed to think worst about people". I totally deny that. But I am not letting you to get away with this one. You call yourself "calipro", because for 10 years you've been going to Cali to get the attention you so desperately need with young girls have your age. If that makes you happy, fine. Just don't make it sound like it's a cultural thing, and if you can pull it off, anybody could if they had your guts. It's your "thing", but not everybody else find it as exhilarating as you do.
Cheers,
Desi

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

calipro says on Dec 4, 2004, 04:43:

Desi's delusions "I especially liked the one where she was reaching into your pocket while you guys were "kissing"."

Could you please elaborate on who, when and where you ever saw someone reaching into my pocket. HeHeHe !!! I think you have finally lost it, completely !!!


"Her strata is written all over in her face, her clothing (the lack of them), her sculptured nails, the sadness in her big, brown eyes."

Well there you go again, Desi. not everybody in the world is as miserable as you. What a depressing thought.

None of the women in my photos are sad, depressed or poor by colombian standards. They are happy out going and well socialized young women.

I'd be happy to introduce them to anybody that cares to meet me when I'm in Cali. See for yourself.

Miguel says on Dec 4, 2004, 05:18:

Interesante While I have had my differences with calipro, and maybe his choice of pictures to post was questionable, he has stirred debate among la gente here at PBH; and no, FrankLeal, I don't think he deserves expulsion.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 4, 2004, 05:26:

miguel calipro has been doing this for a long time. He's only just begun here, but you remember as well the discussions we had on caligringo? I don't want him to be banned either, he does represent a point of view (even if I find it unpleasant) and plenty of experience of certain type of tourism to my favorite city.
I only would wish that he stopped this infantile name-calling of people who don't agree with his theories. I am up to a discussion with him, but not on those terms.
Calipro,
make sure you don't change your appearance when I get to Cali. I wouldn't recognize you without that scratched-off mid-section of your face. Was it the wildcats?
Cheers,
Desi

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Miguel says on Dec 4, 2004, 05:37:

Buenos Dias Desi Estas lista para navidad?
I agree with you on this calipro topic, but I do enjoy it when PBH people get emotional! Son las 0740 aqui en San Luis, EEUU...que hora tienes alli?

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 4, 2004, 05:52:

Miguel:) Buenas tardes desde Estocolmo. Son las 14:45 y está empezando a oscurecer de nuevo. El dia fue corto y muy gris.
I'll be traveling to Finland to spend four days with my family there. I was trying to get my mom to come here, but she wasn't up to traveling, so I decided to go there instead. There's almost certainly going to be lots and lots of snow, and I remember one X-mas we spent there when temps dropped down to -30 C.
Cheers,
Desi

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Miguel says on Dec 4, 2004, 06:21:

Por lo menos en Finlandia pueda "cross-country esqui" (?) Here, we had our first snow last week, and since it has been sunny and mid 50's F; still I daydream about las brisas alegres en Barranquilla este tiempo del ano...perfecto, pero mi novia dijo "tengo frio"...jajaja! I hope to get back there around Carnaval time. Do you know a Penaranda family from Cali? Cuidate...

Save the Wildcats says on Dec 4, 2004, 07:21:

Everyone blames the poor wildcats!

No, according to Zag, the wildcats chew up people's legs and under their chests.

We don't do faces.

:-)

mad_lion says on Dec 4, 2004, 07:36:

I am not here to promote any other sites...BUT it seems that Mr. Calipro is just looking for a good home!

Therefore, allow me to recommend a search on Google for sex tourism forums. I am almost certain you (Calipro) will get a standing ovation for your points of view and pictures on these sites, and have them begging for more!

In others words, you will be in a pack of dogs much like yourself, and would be certainly appreciated. You will be very happy - give it a try! Just curve your posts on poor but happy, it is obvious as I stated before that there are 50% women members here.. you are offending lot's of 'em..if you are the gentleman you profess to be, kindly curb your posts to your audience.

I don't think you should be banned either - if that were the case - stand-up comedians like Chris Rock who challenge all that is politically "correct" would be dirt poor.

Lauthra says on Dec 4, 2004, 08:07:

Calipro "What can I say to someone to cheer someone up that has such a grim view of the world."
I don't have such a grim view of the world, but of the people that claim to LOVE Colombia, but what they really love is getting really young girls to shag and brag about, i.e. you.

"I have never heard any colombiano suggest that any woman that I dated was with me for money."
Probably not to your face, hey, you may be paying for their beers as well, they want you as their gringo friend!

"Or that I was a pervert or that the women were prostitutes."
Never did I try to say they were prostitutes, the fact that they like you for your money and shag you for your money makes prostitution a fairer transaction: you know what you're getting, and you don't have to pretend.

"To tell you the truth your interpretation of my relationships leads me to believe that you are of questionable character yourself."
If you like jumping into conclusions, that's fair enough, but I haven’t to my knowledge done anything that would warrant that accusation. I have some dirty pictures of you, with your face blurred out to state my case, what have you got, my interpretation of your persona with obvious examples? Hmmm...

"Certainly thieves are more likely to believe that someone else is a thief."
OH! So that's why you are accusing me of being a "thief" as well! It was pretty obvious but cheers for being redundant.

"You need to get your mind out of the gutter."
Right, and you need to stop fooling yourself with the "You don't have to be rich or handsome to have a nice girl that cares about you in Cali."

Nato
www.theburrow.co.uk

Nato (='.'=)

Lauthra says on Dec 4, 2004, 08:10:

Question: To Calipro "None of the women in my photos are sad, depressed or poor by colombian standards."

So where exactly in Cali do they live? What school they did graduated from, and what Uni are going to now? Just to get the whole picture.

Nato
www.theburrow.co.uk

Nato (='.'=)

Lauthra says on Dec 4, 2004, 08:25:

*blushes* "BTW - i vote for lauthra & gerbil and utopia & his wife as the nicest looking couples on this forum. and i mean that in a physical sense as well as a general good, happy, mutual respecting couple. good luck to you all :)"

Thank you, that is very sweet of you :D
*smiles*

Nato
www.theburrow.co.uk

Nato (='.'=)

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 4, 2004, 09:26:

kim yes, I read about the legs up and under the chest, but I thought that you guys might have made an exception with poor ole calipro :)
cheers,
Desi

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

elmodefoque says on Dec 4, 2004, 09:36:

Calipro, what the hell did you do? Why did you lock down those pics? I drove all the way here to freaking Rockaway (guido territory) at a friend’s house (white guy) I wanted to show him those pics. That guy was my parole officer way back and now is one of my best buddies. He makes good money, with over time, but that sorry bastard can’t get laid and spends all the time chocking the chicken, to put it delicate, playing with himself. He’s not a bad looking guy and if I was a broad I’ll get on all four for him in a NY minute. This idiot loves Latin broads but Spanish girls here don’t like white guys no matter how much money they make. He thinks my daughter is the most beautiful broad in the planet, but I told him the truth, not only is she a bitch, but very high maintenance plus she does not like white guys, she thinks they’re exiting as eating white bread and mayo and can’t dance to save their life and look like freaking conejos. She goes to clubs almost every damn day.
I told that sonamanbiche that in Colombian is different, that broads there love white guys and is due to their inferiority complex, they think that once they land a white guy they’re no longer Indian. Dude, I really want to take this guy down there and a number of my other white buddies. They deserve happiness so do those lower strata, uneducated, but pretty Colombian girls. Listen you are doing a lot more for them than that disgusting Colombian government; they do nothing for the poor but send them to the jungles to fight freaking guerrillas, other poor bastards. The elite are getting rid of the poor population by having them kill each other. That’s their master plan.
Dude, I’m going back to Manhattan, I’ll be back on line Tuesday. I’m not working on Monday, instead I ‘m going to freeze my ass off in the middle of the Atlantic to catch black fish. I hope to see those pics back up, thanks!!
Deseria thanks, my very typical Colombian wife, thought that I looked hideous when I was a long hair young guy. They hate to be reminded of where they came from.

Save the Wildcats says on Dec 4, 2004, 09:45:

Desi.... bwahahahaa! OK, I'll sharpen my teeth. I don't know if I could chew a face off but it can't be any more difficult than up under the chest, which is a hard area to get to.

Elmo - your long hair looked sexxay.

Kim

Miguel says on Dec 4, 2004, 09:46:

Mire, Elmo Don't start looking at those fish like swimming burros.

caslug says on Dec 4, 2004, 09:50:

free publicity... U know if all the anti-CP poster would ingnore this thread, it would die out pretty quickly. But by coming back and "ranting", u all keep pumping his thread up that u dislike so much. Just like the sign at zoo's, "don't feed the animal" or else they'll be more encourage.

"No, the "hot model" you are exposing here is not a upper class or even a middle-class girl. Her strata is written all over in her face"-Desi

Uhh... so what the big deal about her strata? When have guys care where there arm candy came from? And what does strata level have to do w/ a person's intelligent or personality? Grant the higher the strata the more "likely" educated they are.

Yes, CP could be more diplomatic and less confrontational in choosing how he wants to get his point across, which do make sense:

a) COL is a different society/culture than 1st world society
b) Don't be quick to push our 1st world morals onto other culture(cultural aggrogances-hmm... white man's burden (european colonization excuse))
c) There are some hot young women that have NO problem dating older(10-30 years or more) men in COL(Cali) - he choose to give us a visual proof via his fotos

For those who think the age different is "wrong" why? Because someone is being taken advantage of? That would be true if one party(man/women) was not being honest in their intention(ie, go out w/ me and I will marry u, etc.,). What does age have to do with the ability to lie to someone? A guy can be the same age as the women and still lie to her. All the girls that CP dated, have a choice to say no when he asked them out. I'm sure some have, and obviously a few said yes. And let's not forget the biggest old horndog, Hugh Hefner, Playboy is about to open a Casino in Las Vegas. Playboy stands for HOT, young model, that go out with any guy with looks, money, or fame. This is the message that "vegas"-american society wants to see.

Angel_Gabriel says on Dec 4, 2004, 10:17:

"US dollars who further here" "US dollars who further here, so he may as well appear to be 'loaded' in Cali. Self-confidence won't matter to a young girl, how naive do you have to be to not see they want a Sugar Daddy...It's as simple as that!"

Lauthra, please don't come at me all catty ;) but aren't you saying quite a lot about Caleñas by making that comment, whether true or not? It that how you perceived your paisanas de Cali will act & do if they meet a foreigner, preferably a white guy? (no offence Calipro)

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 4, 2004, 10:19:

in this case I made the comment about the strata only as a reference to the degree of desperation a 20-year-old girl would have for dating an older dude from gringolandia. I had commented earlier that this is not the type of girl who'd be very popular as a date in Colombia, where men usually prefer lighter-skin, less- aborigin look. So, these girls with more exotic looks and less education and tighter economies don't often have a chance to visit expensive restaurants and clubs, since neither them or their dates (when they can get one) can afford them.
I am not saying this to be spiteful, but unfortunately, that's the reality for the people from the lower strata barrios. The girl herself is well, I suppose, attractive in her own way, but nothing extraordinary for a Cali girl.
Yes, casilug, I'm aware that keeping on writing on this thread only feeds the animal. For all I'm concerned, if the animal is that hungry, I'd just feed it, whatever.
Cheers,
Desi
(I also don't think much of your Playboy Hugh Hefner sex equal with money equal with power equations.)

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

kat1 (Moderator) says on Dec 4, 2004, 10:20:

What is all of this about stratas? how shallow thinking

kat1 (Moderator) says on Dec 4, 2004, 10:25:

Really I don't give a monkey what calipro does or do when he goes to Colombia, what we looking here is two consenting adults and if the girl doesn't mind Calipro put in her pict on the internet so be it.cada quien con lo suyo.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 4, 2004, 10:37:

I don't think it's shallow to try to figure out how economical disparity and lack of education affect a young person's choices and way of thinking. To take advantage of this is nearly criminal in my book.

Sorry, kat, I can't see it your way. Yes, it would be much easier just to ignore all the jerks in this world, turn my head and pretending not to see. Unfortunately, that's not my way.

See, I worked for many years with girls like this one in the picture. Girls from poorer barrios, not really dirt-poor, but struggling hard. They were studying at night schools to get some kind of education, to get ahead in life, to have something to hang on. I don't look down on them, hadn't I been lucky enough to be born in a country with a better social network, I might be just in the same situation. These girls are taken advantage of, by older, wealthier men in their own society, as long as they are young and hot, then discarded as an old rag. Now, some of gringos have found out that they can do the same with these girls and play hard on their illusions. No, they might think they are being honest and it's two consenting adults and all that crap, but believe me, the disparity is there and it falls heavily on the poor girl.
Enough....for now.
Desi

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

caslug says on Dec 4, 2004, 10:39:

Desi... "these girls with more exotic looks and less education and tighter economies don't often have a chance to visit expensive restaurants and clubs, since neither them or their dates (when they can get one) can afford them." - desi

so what u r saying is that this girls DO get something out of their dates w/ CP, eating out at places they can't normally afford. So by that reasoning, CP is picking girls that locals men find non-desirable, so then why get on his case. He gets something and the "poor, aborigin looking" girl gets something out of it too. Both parties are happy.

"I had commented earlier that this is not the type of girl who'd be very popular as a date in Colombia, where men usually prefer lighter-skin, less- aborigin look. " - Desi

I saw bunch of COL guys go out w/ these type of girls, those type of girls are all over CALI, at least back in June 04. Granted they were the "eurpean" looking type found in MED or BOG. If the girl is hot, guys won't turn her down because she has a tan. Actually american men tend to like tan women anyway, even pasty pale skin women in the US go to the tanning salon to get a little darker. So no wonder gringos like COL, LOL. :-)

Lauthra says on Dec 4, 2004, 10:44:

kat1 "What is all of this about stratas? how shallow thinking"

You might consider it shallow, yet Desi it's explaining why she's used that reference, and she is correct. For instance the people you'll find living in Camberwell in London, won't be similar in most manners, speaking for example, than the people you'll find in Hampstead. The same in Ciudad Jardín or Junín in Cali. It doesn't make them any less of a human being, but when discussing the matters that Desi pointed out you can bring the stata into account.

Nato
www.theburrow.co.uk

Nato (='.'=)

utopiacowboy says on Dec 4, 2004, 10:46:

Wow, what a thread. Thanks for the compliments, Heat! The only tidbit that I can add is that behavior like Calipro's is not unusual in Colombia. You can find it here too but it's less common because women have more oportunities. My wife has two brothers who are in their late 30s. They both live at home with their mother but they have jobs and cars. They are always going out with girls just out of high school and neither of them has any intention of ever getting married. I asked my wife what was in it for the girls, why would they go out with them? She said that her brothers spend money on the girls, they get to go out and eat and go to clubs etc. Seems kinda sad to me but hey, it's not for me to judge them.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

caslug says on Dec 4, 2004, 10:48:

uhh... "No, they might think they are being honest and it's two consenting adults and all that crap, but believe me, the disparity is there and it falls heavily on the poor girl." - Desi

Even following your logic, AFTER CP "discard" them, How does it fall heavily on the girl? CP doesn't leave them "knock up" w/ a child to support after he's thru w/ them(unlike some locals guys). All he is doing is going on a few dates w/ them. So if these "girls" don't go out w/ him, they do what? What "opportunity cost" did they miss out on by being taken out by CP? A marriage proposal from a local, young, rich guy?

Lauthra says on Dec 4, 2004, 10:53:

Angel _Gabriel GRRR! "Lauthra, please don't come at me all catty ;)"
Miaow!

"but aren't you saying quite a lot about Caleñas by making that comment, whether true or not?"

That comment could be applied to any young girl anywhere in the world looking for a sugar daddy, this discussion happened to be about Cali girls.

"It that how you perceived your paisanas de Cali will act & do if they meet a foreigner, preferably a white guy?"

That will happen anywhere in Colombia, and I'm not going to pigeon hole all the caleñas,(algunas nos salvamos) but it is very common, or why do you think so many gringos come here to find one? Cos the girls themselves are looking for them, so its a demand being fulfilled.

Nato
www.theburrow.co.uk

Nato (='.'=)

caslug says on Dec 4, 2004, 10:58:

interesting comment on strata.. that the two european poster (desi/lauratha) would even bring up strata (social/economic level) into the equation. In the US, there is very little discrimination based on social economic level on a PERSONAL basis. When you meet a potential "date" at in US, you don't really think or care of what their social/economic class is. What you look for is looks, personaility, and maybe eductional level. But even that is not a big deal anymore, because anyone in US can get a college degree if they wanted too.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 4, 2004, 11:01:

no and no She won't get a marriage proposal from a rich, local, young guy, even though these things do happen occasionally. Colombian men are no monsters either and they do marry across the strata system. This is now just academic, but what could she be doing instead of wasting her precious youth fooling around with old gringos? She might be going to school to finish her education, dating a nice, ambitious boy from her own neighborhood, working and saving her money for something she wants to do for herself, having fun and partying with her friends...lots of things, I suppose.
Yes, girls of the lower stratas and even middle stratas do have illusions of meeting this special someone, a prince that will be her saviour and support in her plight "getting out of this place". Maybe I'm totally wrong, and these girls are in it just for laughs. Granted, I can't expect everybody else to think like I do.
Cheers,
Desi

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Lauthra says on Dec 4, 2004, 11:02:

Huh? "that the two european poster (desi/lauratha)"
Do you mean that I'm european or that I live in Europe?

Nato
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caslug says on Dec 4, 2004, 11:05:

what's up w/ gringo bashing now... "why do you think so many gringos come here to find one? Cos the girls themselves are looking for them, so its a demand being fulfilled." - Lauratha

When I was in couple of expat clubs in BOG, i saw quite a few English guys, you know the type older (40's) shaved head, slightly overweight and the local chicas in the club were hitting on them. But as you said, "demand being fullfilled". Then everyone should be happy, right?

Toneloc made an interesting comment to me one day about BOG women. He said that because there are SOOO many foreigners in BOG(compare to other COL cities) that many local women do not want to be associated w/ foreign guys, because they don't want people to think they date foreigner for the "better life style". They probably number the same amount as the women that DO want to date foreigners. I suspect the rest of the local women fall in between the two camps.

Gerbil says on Dec 4, 2004, 11:10:

Calipro I don't believe Calipro should stop making his comments because it annoys people - he is after all entirely free to post what he likes as we are free to ignore it and him should we choose to.

Just to clarify a few of my own thoughts. I DO entirely believe it is possible for a young pretty girl to go out with a *cough* not-quite-so-handsome older money and for it to not be anything to do with money. But, this is going to be 0.1% of the time. While Calipro and his harem might be the exception, I find it doubtful given his attitude of reply on here. It's tough because of course we are facing another type of discrimination here - that based on looks. IE most people think pretty with pretty and ugly with ugly - no mixing. Of course this is crap, but like many preconceived ideas, it does tend to stem from something fundamentally obvious.

I appreciate Calipro attempting to answer my question sincerely (notable 'cos in virtually all his other replies after he says 'haha!' at least once ;), but he's still missed the general gist of my question.

While you claim that the girls would marry you if you asked (and I've no reason to doubt they wouldn't, either by your interpretation of the situation or mine), it raises the questions:

Will you ever ask them to marry you?
Why are you with them - to what end, for fun?

I'm curious (still!) about your thoughts on this - it's futile to put thoughts into the girls' heads since they aren't here to speak for themselves. But, from a slightly different angle:

Would you be happy marrying someone who openly has other relationships while with you?
Would you expect this behaviour to carry on if / when you get married?
Would YOU become faithful when married, or would a marriage be on the understand you (or both) are free to have sex with other people?

The whole marriage thing here may be a red-herring. It appears you don't hold enough beliefs in common with most religions to give marriage any discernable meaning for you. This is fine really, but you mentioned marriage (not at length, granted), so now I'm just following that train of thought :)

Possibly of more importance from my point of view though is the fact that while we may not like what Calipro does (and it seems most of us don't), he is entirely free to do as he wishes on a personal level. However, this is beyond 'private' and 'personal' - the posting of those pictures was inappropriate - certainly to the point where it merely backs-up the idea of you simply being after trophy girlfriends. Given you say you'd be happy to show those pictures to your friends and other guys interested to learn more about 'colombia', it would be easy to take your implied meaning that you feel you did nothing wrong. I doubt you'd show those images to female collegues or family members though, because of course they are 'clearly' inappropriate.

Personally I don't think those pictures are in bad taste necessarily, but I don't think they are the kind of things you should release publically. Your other albums were password-protected, because they undoubtedly feature more women in various states of undress or 'engaging in acts of sexual congress' as some old git might say :) You know it's not reasonable to show people these (also they may well contain explicit pics of you too - and people generally think twice about revealing themselves naked, although are often more than willing to show others - hell you won't even show your eyes, as if that's the bit of you that stands out!).

OK finally - what's your definition of a relationship?
Are you after 'love', and do you believe it can come from parallel relationships with girls who are equally 'unfaithful'?

You must remember that there's a reason most of the world believes monogamy both in marriages and relationships is the 'accepted' thing - and saying 'when in rome do as the romans' is quite possibly the weakest defence for any action ever concieved (well, certainly after Rome was built).

Many people rob and kill in Colombia. Does this mean you should do it too?

Because many people have multiple girlfriends, does that mean it's ok to do? Culture differences are one thing, but what is right and what is wrong is pretty much the same all over the world. Caslug cites an 'amusing' story to 'prove' it's ok - all it does is prove that people do it. Those who do should certainly not be married or get married, because it goes against the basic idea of marriage.

Urk, darned post is too long again - one of the 'joys' of being able to type nice and quick.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Dec 4, 2004, 11:13:

This is my last post for this post, cos I don't agree with many people here, and we never going to agree i don't judge the book by it's cover, I don't know what's going on there I don't know the girls life. is that girl would be 15 or 16 then yes i'll be concern, but c'mon she is 21. I got married at 21. my husband was 30 and we been happily married for 16 years

kat1 (Moderator) says on Dec 4, 2004, 11:17:

Bye and have a very HAPPY CHRISTMAS

greenday says on Dec 4, 2004, 11:27:

quite frankly Quite frankly I'm very surprised at the negative comments toward Calipro & his girl, especially from those who are either Colombian, or "say" they've lived in Colombia and "understand" the culture.
It is VERY common for young girls in their late teens & early 20's to date men in their 40's in Colombia, no matter which strata they are from. It's PART OF THE CULTURE!!!! As it is part of the culture in other Latin American countries, and other countries around the world.
And yes, some women are also attracted to men with money. Money = power......it's been going on for thousands of years. And yes, some women are attracted to gringos, just like some gringos are attracted to latinas, or philipinas, or africans........what is the big deal?
I've met many young women in Colombia who are attracted to older men. For those who are critical, do you really know what you are talking about??? Desi, maybe Calipro is paying for Aura's schooling, and is encouraging her to get an education. I know a well-off gringo who is currently paying for the college tutition of at least 4 caleñas, and he' never slept with one of them.
Now, I doubt if Aura gags everytime she kisses Calipro, nor regrets it when she sleeps with him.......I'm sure she is in love with him.
He's not a bad looking guy (yes I know him), and he sure doesn't flash money around, nor pretends he's rich........Hell, I'm much better looking than him, wear a Rolex, and speak better Spanish than him, but he gets just as many fine women as I do.....
I think for whose who are critical, #1 you really don't understand the culture, or #2 there is a hidden agenda (maybe an anti-man, or jealousy factor, hell I'm not a psychiatrist).
Now, yes if you are an old, bald, out of shape fart, maybe you should be leary of a young Caleña, maybe her motives are off base. But if you're in your 40's, look a little younger, speak spanish (very important), understand the culture and how to treat a woman.....GO FOR IT!!
Now, as far as what Calipro's motives are, you'll have to ask him, I'm only defending him on the fact that a 40 something year old gringo and a 20 year old Caleña can have a true romance, that is not money, or green card, or trophy wife motivated. The fact that he's been married to a Caleña before kind of gives me the feeling that he would probably marry again.

caslug says on Dec 4, 2004, 11:29:

gerbil.. "Caslug cites an 'amusing' story to 'prove' it's ok - all it does is prove that people do it. Those who do should certainly not be married or get married, because it goes against the basic idea of marriage."

I never said "cheating" is OK, I merely posted an observation. My conclusion from what I have seen w/ local COL men, is that "cheating" happens more in COL than say, USA. I wholeheartly agree that when one GET married, the vows should not be taken lightly. BUT if u r single, then do what your you want but understand the consequences of your actions.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 4, 2004, 11:33:

kat Feliz Navidad, kat:)
It's ok to disagree, though. That's what a debate is all about. There's no point debating something if all the people just agreed on everything.
I wrote about one of my best friends before, A Cali woman who was married off at the age of 14 to a wealthy guy twice her age. They are still married, and are today great friends of mine, both of them! She had to struggle hard to get the law degree she holds today plus agains the opposition from her husband. Today, she is the breadwinner of the family, and her husband has no employement. The winds of fortune change...they're still together and love each other very much.
Cheers,
desi

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

caslug says on Dec 4, 2004, 11:36:

hey this subject has went over 100 post! I remember that old saying, "there's no such thing as bad publicity"!

In COL I have met a young gringo, 22 yr old, blond, in shape, good looking, guy who goes to COL for work at least once a month. Has a GF, in CALI, gorgous model type, similar age. And he's playing around w/ her, but also playing around w/ other girls both older & younger than him. So should we condem him too? Or does he gets a free pass because because the age difference is under 10 yrs?

Lauthra says on Dec 4, 2004, 11:37:

NO You're missing the point, the fact that you two use the culture as an excuse it's just shameful. Gerbil already replied to the "when in Rome..." rubbish. The fact that Calipro (pro in what I wonder...) posted a link to his 'conquests' in knickers, and even bothered to blur his own face out of the pictures, is what made me want to meddle. Whatever my opinion is it's just that, and what I'm basing it in it's the way Calipro approached the 'debate'.
I understand the culture, I'm a young Caleña myself, and to my thinking Calipro doesn't understand the culture, he just takes advantage of it.
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Lauthra says on Dec 4, 2004, 11:40:

Caslug That guy you refer to it's not posting links in this site and bragging about the young girls he shags, or is he? Cos I'd give him a piece of my mind if he was.
You haven't answered my other post.

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greenday says on Dec 4, 2004, 11:41:

Lauthra My commentary was only a response to those who criticized the age difference.......in no way is a defense for posting pictures.....just want to be clear on that. Only defending the age difference.
have a great day.

Lauthra says on Dec 4, 2004, 11:43:

The Age difference, is inherent to this whole thing, though.
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caslug says on Dec 4, 2004, 11:47:

living in europe = european BTW, being european means you can be of ANY cultural, racial, social/economic background. However, Europe does have a tendency to be homogenic and more class/strata oriented than US(especially south/western USA). Before u get debate this point, I know UK is pretty diverse especially London, but u gotta admit of all the country in the world, what country is the most diverse and pratically populated by foreign immigrants from ALL over the world? hmm...

Because of that, US tends to put less emphasis on a person background or strata than other society(ie, COL).

greenday says on Dec 4, 2004, 11:51:

Tinto what's wrong Paul, not getting any in Medellín??? sure spend alot of time on the internet there.....

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 4, 2004, 11:52:

well, see what the proverbial cat has dragged in....
HELLO zuma, long time no see:)
No, I'm not "anti-man", some of my dearest friends are men. Neither I'm a feminist, that's water under the bridge. I have never been a "feminist" but I grew up in a post-feminist society that sees the equality between sexes as something so crystal-clear that it needs not to be brought up every time people talk.
My husband has not complained about me being bossy or domineering, neither has my son. My male friends consider me a level-headed person. I've never been in the barricades or burned bras or done anything as outrageous as that. I cook and clean, do my laundry and spend time with my family. So do the men in my family, too. I don't need a psychiatrist nor have I ever needed to take any kind of medication for my "condition"...
Ok..let's get back to the subject. I know who you are and have seen your picture. That you're a buddy of calipro, that I already knew. That you share his ideas about dating third world women is no news for me either. I have no quarrel with you, this far, anyway.
Ok, back to the post. So, this gringo is paying for the college education of four caleñas, just out of his good heart? Without getting anything back? Please explain.
Infidelity is nothing you ought to take for granted. It causes a lot of unhappiness and deteriorates further the fabric of the society. That a lot of Colombians are unfaithful to their mates is a fact; does it make it right and something that other men of the world should imitate? Anyway, I read a survey in El Tiempo not long ago, and it turned out that 75% of Colombian men are faithful to their spouses, or so they claim...
Cheers,
Desi

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

caslug says on Dec 4, 2004, 11:56:

on lighter note... Even western fairy tales are celebrate vast age & strata differences...

guy who lived hundreds of years as a "beast" falls in love and is set free by a hot looking, POOR, YOUNG chick who could be his great-great-grandaughter...

Or how about, some princess who is been sleeping for decades, wakes up to some young hot looking, rich guy(prince) falls in loves w/ him and lives happily ever after...

another one, poor girl(strata 1-2) works as a maid, sneaks in to some fancy strata 6 social event. Has a rich, young, good looking guy check her out because she's hot! the guy finds her the days later because she left her really expensive designer shoe at the party. marries her and lives happily ever after.

Now what didn't all those young hot chicks find some nice local boy, who may not be rich, may not be good looking. Should we call them gold diggers?

Tinto (Moderator) says on Dec 4, 2004, 11:58:

You have mistaken me for someone else The guy in Medellin (Pablo) uses the name Tinto on another site. We are two different people.