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Assuming (hoping) Obama becomes the next US president... what will this mean for Colombia?

Or Clinton for that matter?

By usher127 on Mar 20, 2008, 16:59 in Politics & the war.

Bill Turley says on Mar 20, 2008, 17:05:

Based on the teaching of His Pastor I would hate to think about that. . Pastor Wright is a white hating demagog with socilistic leanings, maybe fund a Plan Venezuela

Mr. Bill Somondoco

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RAAAY says on Mar 20, 2008, 17:07:

I don't think Pastor Wright is on the ballot...............

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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aNdReSk says on Mar 20, 2008, 17:17:

what happened to Dr Ron Paul :S

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darkangel305 says on Mar 20, 2008, 17:42:

i think democrats are bad for colombia and plan colombia
but great for united states
just my opinion

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usher127 says on Mar 20, 2008, 17:43:

Will the democrats stop Plan Colombia altogether?

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RAAAY says on Mar 20, 2008, 17:46:

Democrats introduced Plan Colombia..........to the objection of Republicans.

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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darkangel305 says on Mar 20, 2008, 17:47:

i thought recently that democrats were against aiding plan Colombia and something of human rights in Colombia???

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usher127 says on Mar 20, 2008, 17:51:

Presumably... so long as Chavez makes himself a nuisance... the US cannot afford to lose the cooperation of Colombia

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Medellin Traveler says on Mar 20, 2008, 18:03:

RAAAY says, "I don't think Pastor Wright is on the ballot..............."

Touché!

"Huevos Rancheros en Medellin, No Quiero Taco Bell." - www.medellintraveler.com

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eywed says on Mar 20, 2008, 18:24:

I dont think Obama will be on too many more ballots. Stick a fork in him he is done.

Ay Hombe!!!!!

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wendell13 says on Mar 20, 2008, 18:30:

Pastor Wright will be the new US ambassador to Colombia

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RAAAY says on Mar 20, 2008, 18:31:

eywed...........the timing of this whole thing could'nt be better for Obama...........he has pretty much secured the Dem nomination.............this whole story will not make any more headlines going into the general election............it's already getting played out so much......soon it will be old news...........better to come out now...........all of it..........as much nastiness as possible............it'll lose it's legs everywhere except FOX news.......and that has very little viewership............

Soon, Obama will be able to change the subject, get back on message.........

It's a huge story right now.......having a huge effect on him............time is a great healer......

We'll see..............

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.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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eywed says on Mar 20, 2008, 18:34:

We shall see RAAAY. It's fun watching I must say.

Ay Hombe!!!!!

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wendell13 says on Mar 20, 2008, 18:36:

Fox ...fair and balanced

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RAAAY says on Mar 20, 2008, 18:40:

no doubt.....................

The one thing that this story does bring out about him is in-experience and political nievete ( spelling).............

If the Republicans are able to create a new story, based on this closer to the election.......this one will rear it's head again in a different context. Staying in this church for 20 years is a compelling argument as to a fellas lack of smarts.........

All that is assuming Clinton does'nt wrest the nomination from him............which is going to take an awful lot................

Man, she's loving this story.

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.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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RAAAY says on Mar 20, 2008, 18:41:

FOX Fair and Brainwashed...........

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.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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eywed says on Mar 20, 2008, 18:50:

I heard one news geek talking things will get worse for Obama so he will give his votes he has so far to Al Gore and then he will be named vice pres for Gore and the dem party will go along with this cause they know Clinton can't win.

Ay Hombe!!!!!

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RAAAY says on Mar 20, 2008, 18:53:

I assume you are joking.............there is not a snow-balls chance in hell of that happening....................

If Clinton gets the nod.....she will be hard to beat.................

If Obama gets it.........whewwww.........he will have a tough run for it...I would'nt put money on him.

Watch McCain's age becoming an issue.......you heard it here first.........

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.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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usher127 says on Mar 20, 2008, 18:56:

I hope... for the sake of the rest of the world... Obama wins

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eywed says on Mar 20, 2008, 18:59:

Just what one Dem on the Radio was Saying RAAAY. Now that would be fun to watch.

Ay Hombe!!!!!

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RAAAY says on Mar 20, 2008, 19:01:

eywed....I don't get it ....what was the dem on the radio saying.?

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.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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usher127 says on Mar 20, 2008, 19:02:

Why would that be fun... it would be boring and irrelevant...

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poco says on Mar 20, 2008, 19:03:

Quote what happened to Dr Ron Paul

Today he was on CNBC (financial) espousing the virtues of eliminating the illegal activities, no wait,, completely eliminating the Federal Reserve and going on the Gold standard.

Good speaker and a sharp dressed man.

"When you men get home and face an anti-war protester, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she's dating a pussy." Quote - General Tommy Franks

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eywed says on Mar 20, 2008, 19:08:

RAAAY Sean Hannity Had a guest on his Radio who was a guy from the dem party who said that this is what he thought might happen.

Ay Hombe!!!!!

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Robert Jorge says on Mar 20, 2008, 19:09:

McCain's age won't be as big a deal if he picks a younger, vital appearing running mate. My guess is he will pick Romney.

BEWARE of gold diggers.

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eywed says on Mar 20, 2008, 19:09:

Usher127 you think it would be irrelevant if Al Gore tried a stunt like that?

Ay Hombe!!!!!

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RAAAY says on Mar 20, 2008, 19:11:

Someone from the Dems said that Obama would pull out and pledge his delegates to Gore....??

That is an impossibility....

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.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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Frank Rizzo says on Mar 20, 2008, 19:13:

Obama becomes the next president......and the US becomes the laughing stock of the world.

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usher127 says on Mar 20, 2008, 19:14:

stunt like what? i thought u were talking about age becoming an issue

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eywed says on Mar 20, 2008, 19:15:

Thats what he said. Sean said the same thing you did (that is an impossibility) and the guy said it could happen and went on to say how . Sean then said I dont know about that.

Ay Hombe!!!!!

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RAAAY says on Mar 20, 2008, 19:16:

" The US becomes the laughing stock of the world."..??

That achievement has already been pretty much realised.

No matter who is the new President, they will improve relations with the rest of the world..

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.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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RAAAY says on Mar 20, 2008, 19:18:

If someone said that.........he/she was obviously smokin something.............

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usher127 says on Mar 20, 2008, 19:19:

Given that the US likes to interfere so much in world issues... which isnt necessarily a terrible thing... it would be nice if the rest of the world could have a stake in the vote... say 40%

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eywed says on Mar 20, 2008, 19:20:

Sean did say that as well ( What you been smoking before you came on here) You and sean think alike.

Ay Hombe!!!!!

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RAAAY says on Mar 20, 2008, 19:21:

The US only " interferes" where it has a national interest. Or where it has a particular political reason.

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.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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RAAAY says on Mar 20, 2008, 19:23:

eywed......I've had many evenings with him over a few beers.............we agree on nothing......but he's actually not the arrogant son of a bitch that he comes across on radio/tv............actually a very funny guy, that does'nt take himself to seriously.

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.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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eywed says on Mar 20, 2008, 19:30:

I caught is radio show in passing but never seen his tv show.

Ay Hombe!!!!!

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poco says on Mar 20, 2008, 19:32:

Quote: If someone said that.........he/she was obviously smokin something.............

Yes, but did he/she inhale?

"When you men get home and face an anti-war protester, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she's dating a pussy." Quote - General Tommy Franks

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RAAAY says on Mar 20, 2008, 19:33:

eywed....it's coming up.....top of the hour.........

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eywed says on Mar 20, 2008, 19:34:

No thanks , Had enough eariler.

Ay Hombe!!!!!

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RAAAY says on Mar 20, 2008, 19:36:

FOX...........Fair and Brainwashed...........it's a must see...........

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juancegomez says on Mar 20, 2008, 20:38:

At this moment, I'd expect further changes in Plan Colombia or generally U.S. aid to Colombia, for which we've already seen a preview and thus their direction isn't hard to imagine...but not a real cancellation or anything.

The Democrats, from what I can tell, are not against U.S. aid to Colombia per se. Certainly not as a congressional majority.

Also, Obama's and Clinton's statements during the recent crisis tend to show that they won't suddenly put the brakes or anything, the previously referenced changes aside.

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vladimiro says on Mar 20, 2008, 20:58:

"No matter who is the new President, they will improve relations with the rest of the world.."

I disagree. The damage is done. The US can't turn back the clock to gain the position it had before Bush came to power. The world has changed too much. Its no longer relevant who is the president of the US. Economically, too. Asia will eclipse US in less than 20 years.

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EVERETT says on Mar 20, 2008, 23:00:

" I hope... for the sake of the rest of the world... Obama wins"

We do not need a President for the rest of the world, we need one for America. One of the problems is we already have a President for the rest of the world, GWB. He and his cronies have not been listening to the american voices.

"No matter who is the new President, they will improve relations with the rest of the world.."

Again we will not improve relations with the rest of the world with a new President. We go around world imposing our democratic values when our own house has been in disorder, and the disorder has been increasing for the past 20 years. We concentrate on America and rebuild a strong America we will regain our position in the world.

None of the 3 candidates we have are putting america first and are listening to the voices of america. All have an agenda that does not include us and again we americans lose and must wait for a true candidate of the people.

Where does this leave our beloved Colombia?
McCain = Little of no change in Plan Colombia

Hillary = maybe some change. plan colombia is a Clinton era program, perhaps a decrease in funding as she goes looking for cash to fund her social programs.

Obama = Colombia worst nightmare, plan Colombia ends in its current form, renogitiate trade pacts hurting Colombia's growing economy, holding hands with Ahmadenijad, donning a red shirt and tongue kissing Chavez..

The Stars at Night are Big and Bright

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Catfish35 says on Mar 20, 2008, 23:24:

One thing I have learned to believe in is never believe you got this shit fingered out!
I look for Mccain to soon begin a slow drift back to the middle. I believe he went far right to get the Rep. nod. He will give either of the dems a good run before all is said and done! I have no faith that any of this will play out as expected. As far as the dems are concerned I believe Clinton will be better since Bill fathered Plan Colombia. Obama has already made statements that he will stop sending money outside. Obama is going to take the 5 Billion and put it into drug education and such.
I guess out of all of them I am going for Hillary but not for her per se, I want Bill back in.
I just want to be able to worry about my President getting a blowjob again. Remember those days when thats all there was? And everyone was raking in the money?
We were the laughing stock of the world over that...the country getting all worked up over our president getting some strange. I just wished they were still laughing at us for that reason!

"So many guns, and so few brains". sam spade

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RAAAY says on Mar 20, 2008, 23:44:

EVERETT...." We go around world imposing our democratic values "

The only reason that America has gone anywhere in the world, was/is to protect it's national self interest, which is a valid enough reason.

It has never gone anywhere to impose democratic values.

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.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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Juanes says on Mar 21, 2008, 06:05:

same old same old really if he gets in.....

do you really think USA is going to vote for a black president anyway, no way pedro..he might be ahead now but the truth when they go to vote in the private booths, most of em are not going to tick the box for obama anyway, much like they didnt for jesse jackson even things have moved on since then considerably...

the bottom line america is more likely to have Arnie the governator as the next president rather than the first black president, despite idolising black sports stars there the country is simply not ready or willing to let a black man rule...

http://www.travelblog.org/Bloggers/Juanes/

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morphus says on Mar 21, 2008, 06:18:

Obama still has a chance. McCaine will bring another 8 years in Iraq. A billion dollars a day in Iraq for 8 years...who wants that?

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sloopskipper says on Mar 21, 2008, 07:44:

Clinton or Obama? As long as we get the current clowns out of the Whitehouse and outa Iraq!

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EVERETT says on Mar 21, 2008, 10:27:

RAAAY "The only reason that America has gone anywhere in the world, was/is to protect it's national self interest, which is a valid enough reason"

Sure i'm in full agreeement with that and i think is a valid reason.

It has never gone anywhere to impose democratic values.

Really? Is that not exactly what we are tyring to do in Iraq? Instill a Democratic government?
Again i think is a great idea in the national interest, but to those that hate America it seems hypocritical that our government who is doing the imposing is so rife with coruption. It only gives fuel to those that hate us.

The Stars at Night are Big and Bright

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RAAAY says on Mar 21, 2008, 10:42:

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You really think The US is in IRAQ to impose democratic values ? I assume you are joking.

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.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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wendell13 says on Mar 21, 2008, 10:59:

Thanks for enlightening me...I had no idea that nations went around the world protecting their own national interests. That is a very profound and deep thought. Maybe you should tell the other nations of the world to do that. Gosh, I bet that they never thought of that angle.

I learn something new everyday here. Thanks for the new insights.

Fair and balanced

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aztec says on Mar 21, 2008, 11:00:

Another Obama advisor and democratic super delegate for Obama. How many more of these before you reconsider your support of this clown?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM2M11BsA3g

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Frank Rizzo says on Mar 21, 2008, 11:14:

Can you just imagine if Obama wins?? We'll be looked at just like North Korea......

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RAAAY says on Mar 21, 2008, 12:01:

Hey Wendell.............It's obvious you watch a little too much FOX.........you respond to our discussing the US with.......

" no idea that nations went around the world "

" tell the other nations of the world "

If you felt like chirping in, the general discussion was concerning the US's role around the world. But hey........please yourself.

It's such a common thing on FOX..........someone is discussing apples and the FOX guy will chirp in with....." man, I love oranges. "

FOX.....Fair and Brainwashed.

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azunoman says on Mar 21, 2008, 13:40:

I wonder if the US will go back to isolationists....the first superpower that never wanted to be one....last two times US turned inward was WWI and WWII...

"Pastor Wright is a white hating demagog with socilistic leanings, maybe fund a Plan Venezuela" THAT is hardly unique to present and historical black minsitry in America. And in some areas of the states there is at least one black minister per block. Like Chirs Rocks says, you wouldn't even trade places with him and he is rich. :)

Ready, Fire, Aim

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goin_south says on Mar 21, 2008, 14:21:

'assuming Obama wins'.. .that's a mighty big assumption... I think.
Not a stretch... but...
... I'm starting to think there's going to be rioting and revolution of sorts, irregardless who wins... there's some crazy chit coming out, as this campaign goes on.

THE WORLD IS.......... A GHETTO.

Where do we go from here?

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miamimike says on Mar 21, 2008, 19:28:

darkangel305 says on Thursday March 20th, 2008 17:42:

i think democrats are bad for colombia and plan colombia
but great for united states
just my opinion

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Da, FYI, it was Bill Clinton, NOT the Republicans, who iniated Plan Colombia in the 90s...

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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Coffeeman says on Mar 21, 2008, 21:10:

For America, McCain will be a negative. Clinton was more political insight and will do better with Congress. Obama is out there. It does not amaze me that the young, politically naive and un-informed are drawn to him like moths to the flame. One does not change his color overnight. If my fellow Americans would learn more about US government, they would know that the Executive branch is primarily invested in foreign relations policy. True, the President has the power of a veto, but, the Congressional Branch has, and will continue to be the heart of US domestic policy. With respect to Colombia, Colombia's isolation among pro-socialistic countries and America's policy on drugs will make US relations with Colombia paramount. Any US President who thinks otherwise will quickly be informed by the numerous US government agencies. Today, with the American public's heighten sense of worry, any possibility of having more unfriendly countries in this hemisphere will bring swift attention. A prosperous Colombian economy is advantageous to the US.

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goin_south says on Mar 21, 2008, 22:03:

okay... Coffeeman... then,...
'Who Are You Drawn To'?
The Vile Bile of Hillary ?
The LieberMan Lead, Dead Brain Cells of McCain?

We are 8 months away... THE CIRCUS HAS JUST BEGUN.

Where do we go from here?

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DodgerDogs says on Mar 21, 2008, 22:37:

They have not yet even starting playing hardball , soon you will secrets about everybody and their cousins come to light.

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.Martin Luther King:

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goin_south says on Mar 21, 2008, 22:40:

dog... thankfully... no tv..
but... I know.. señora gone_north... likely needs a tv... for awhile. little... while.

Where do we go from here?

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miamimike says on Mar 22, 2008, 21:59:

Obama has already made statements that he will stop sending money outside. Obama is going to take the 5 Billion and put it into drug education and such.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I'd love to see a Prez who puts AMERICA first and stopping the Outflow of Money to countries outside the USA is a Good Step. This does nothing but increase the Huge US Deficit and puts our own country in economic peril. I mean isn't the Iraq Scenario enough, at $12 Billion Monthly, as we sink even father into debt our grandchildren will have to pay off, if that's even possible. How many here truly believe we would have these so called friends in south america if we weren't doling out these huge buckets of Foreign aid cash? IMO, the moment the Cash stops, so does the Friendship,,,

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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RAAAY says on Mar 22, 2008, 22:06:

" the moment the Cash stops, so does the Friendship.....

That is exactly the reason for it...........

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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miamimike says on Mar 23, 2008, 03:14:

RAAAY--Not with all countries. Look at England, no handouts at present yet they are Staunch Allies thru thick and thin! We should be so lucky to have a few more such friends,,,though I doubt the english population will tolerate another Involvement such as Iraq,,,

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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Juanes says on Mar 23, 2008, 05:25:

but like i said....is america ready for a black person to run the country and improve international realtions...what the electorate say now and on tv and in opinion polls is completely different when they get in that voting booth later this year....like i said the religious brigade/business/affluent white states will not allow this to happen & people just wont tick the box for the coloured guy despite wanting something different........

so you need to think who will be best for plan colombia and it continuing......the clinton legacy obviously....

even a racially tolerant and multi ethnice society like england were not ready for a black/asian prime minister cos the bulk of the population simply wouldnt have it !

never mind plan colombia next pres needs to be selfish and think more about that state of the US economy, housing market, reducing balance of payments deficit, improving jobs and avoidig a recession - because this is more important to itself and all its trade partners around the world......forget IRAQ & forge a PLAN AMERICA

http://www.travelblog.org/Bloggers/Juanes/

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tomtom33 says on Mar 23, 2008, 05:31:

I doubt that the national debt will ever be paid off. So our grandchildren are safe.

Like it or not, the world is much smaller these days. No country has the luxury of turning inward.

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RAAAY says on Mar 23, 2008, 07:52:

M.M........" Look at England, no handouts at present yet they are Staunch Allies thru thick and thin! "

Miami.......com'n.........The US is Britan's number 1 export market............and Britan's tourism is almost soley dependent on Americans............

Britan is a business,.like every other country............what your biggest customer wants.....you give.............The overwhelming majority of British people do not support the war in IRAQ..............they never have. But the British Goverment goes against the will of their people because of the huge amounts af American money involved. Real Politic.

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.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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goin_south says on Mar 23, 2008, 08:47:

"No country has the luxury of turning inward."
tomtom... I think many countries could.. but...... there is always some ONE who wants to "go for the gold" elsewhere...
Isn't that why you are in Colombia?
(the 'gold' being... whatever it is you found there, that you couldn't/didn't find or want 'here'.)

Where do we go from here?

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tomtom33 says on Mar 23, 2008, 10:05:

Let's see. No snow, gorgeous scenery, lower cost of living(today, that is), close to the US. Yep, that's gold. But I'm just an old bum who doesn't affect anything.

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miamimike says on Mar 23, 2008, 20:02:

never mind plan colombia next pres needs to be selfish and think more about that state of the US economy, housing market, reducing balance of payments deficit, improving jobs and avoidig a recession - because this is more important to itself and all its trade partners around the world......forget IRAQ & forge a PLAN AMERICA

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Juanes, you make a very valid point Forget Iraq &forge a Plan America! After the Dodo that is in office now leaves, I think many Americans could vote for anyone competent, whether the person is Pink, Black, Green whatever,,,

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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goin_south says on Mar 23, 2008, 21:31:

Look, dude.
We're in trouble.
in no particular order:
Hillary
McCain
O'bama
the lesser evil? (Where's scotty, when he's needed? scotty??)
t's all drama from here out.
Good Luck, to the US of A.

Where do we go from here?

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goin_south says on Mar 23, 2008, 21:52:

Joe Smith
March Madness
U o Maryland.

which one doesn't match?

Where do we go from here?

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Robert Jorge says on Mar 23, 2008, 23:32:

My opinion is that McCain is the "lesser of the 3 evils." He's not my first choice, nor 10th choice, but better than Obama or Clinton.

BEWARE of gold diggers.

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Peter (Moderator) says on Mar 24, 2008, 01:19:

Ah the american media. Gotta love them!

Poor but snappy

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tomtom33 says on Mar 24, 2008, 04:11:

Call me Pollyanna, but I like all three. McCain, Obama, then Hillary. Is any one perfect? Certainly not. But too much is made of the person in this office. The whole system is what is important. That system does not and can not change on a dime. And maybe that is a good thing.

And you can have the most perfect system in the world. When that system is run by imperfect human beings, there will be failures.

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Juanes says on Mar 24, 2008, 06:37:

some nice points ray & miamimike about obama and stuff.

i dont really agree with the commen though 'and Britan's tourism is almost soley dependent on Americans............' cos here in london we get loads of people from japan/china/asia, some many europeans from italy & spain, russians by the bag load and people from our old commonwealth like india, carribean, australia visiting as tourists, my flatmate works for marriott hotel in park lane and there has been a significant reduction in US based tourism over hte last few years......one of the main reasons is the ever weakening US dollar cos basically for loing time now £1 = $2, so obviously for you guys its damn expensive and i dont blame you from staying on vacation/living in the americas.

however, both UK and US govts need to think their PLAN AFGAHNISTAN & COLOMBIA campaigns which are in effect drug elimination tactics to get rid of heroin and cocaine. These millions of dollars/pounds are not being used effectively to reduce demand. we need to work more on education, encouraging the people not to grow these crops with alternatives, posible legalisation like in holland or sweden, and not just fighting the guerillas or afghans in their own back yards which is not working.

i hope the next pres has a number one priority to sort out the potential recessionary conditions which are looming in the US and obviously have a massive knock effect for everyone here in the UK and worldwide......its crazy to think that cos of dodgy lending and people defaulting on their home loans in somewhere like milwakhee or michigan i know have to pay 700 dollars more for my mortgage here in london since august last year when i got back from colombia....PLAN AMERICA first and then work on restoring international relations...at least the election this year may help offset the looming depression, bear sterns was a blow but there is more stuff to come out yet i believe....

http://www.travelblog.org/Bloggers/Juanes/

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Juanes says on Mar 24, 2008, 06:37:

http://www.travelblog.org/Bloggers/Juanes/

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RAAAY says on Mar 24, 2008, 08:46:

MM says...." dont really agree with the commen though 'and Britan's tourism is almost soley dependent on Americans............"

Yes MM...........that was not written correctly...............it should have been.........Britan gets more tourists from America than anywhere else....

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.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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aztec says on Mar 24, 2008, 08:49:

You can't be a President if you won't stand up to an anti-American bigot. More to the point, you can't become President by running against the country.

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tomtom33 says on Mar 24, 2008, 14:38:

"Schools in black or spanish neighborhoods are ENGINEERED to fail the students."

You really outdid yourself this time.

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tomtom33 says on Mar 24, 2008, 15:25:

I have no experience in Black or Spanish neighborhoods. There were no Hispanics in MN or WI in the 50s and 60s. And there were no Blacks outside of Milwaukee. I do, however, find that very hard to swallow. Of course I may not understand what you are trying to say.

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tomtom33 says on Mar 24, 2008, 16:26:

I guess I did understand.

Do you really think that society would purposely do what is not in its best interest?

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goin_south says on Mar 24, 2008, 23:10:

I wouldn't necessarily DISCOUNT what the reverend Wright has to say,... I think he speaks alot of truth... but, of that REVEREND RUBITO has to say:

""""Schools in black or spanish neighborhoods are ENGINEERED to fail the students. """"

I think it absolutely COULD happen.. but, I think for here and now.. IT'S ONLY HIS INTERPRETATION.... nothing more.

Where do we go from here?

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poco says on Mar 24, 2008, 23:16:

Quote: Schools in black or spanish neighborhoods are ENGINEERED to fail the students.

OK,, say the schools are ENGINEERED to fail,, who is doing this ENGINEERING?

HINT: Have a public vote, place a mirror in the booth with TWO BUTTONS, one says "THE PERSON YOU SEE and the other SOMEONE ELSE.

I'd bet SOMEONE ELSE wins.

This is best report pertaining to so your so called ENGINEERED SCHOOL SYSTEMS I've seen lately.
CATO INSTITUTE.
Money And School Performance:
Lessons from the Kansas City Desegregation Experiment

http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-298.html

Read this and come back with an explanation of who ENGINEERS the system.

HINT: This is who the JUDGE blamed for the 20 year failure. (TWENTY YEARS !!!!)

In his final order, Judge Clark blamed the failure on the district: "Because of the KCMSD's troubled past, the district has lost the confidence of many of its staff, students, parents, and the community at large--already low achievement scores have fallen in the last year or two and the debacles of the School Board have provided near constant fodder for the news media

Suggest a time table,, estimating number of decades should be close enough.

"When you men get home and face an anti-war protester, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she's dating a pussy." Quote - General Tommy Franks

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goin_south says on Mar 24, 2008, 23:31:

Wait a dadgum minuto, now.
Rubi,... you say : 'they are being engineered to fail'...
YET!... YET!!!!! you canNOT say WHO is doing the engineering.

NUFFFFF............................... SAID.

Where do we go from here?

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goin_south says on Mar 24, 2008, 23:31:

Let's Let the Rev Wright.... assess this.... jaj.

Where do we go from here?

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goin_south says on Mar 24, 2008, 23:37:

Hear we come A-WAFFLE-LING... jajja

Where do we go from here?

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poco says on Mar 25, 2008, 00:37:

Quote: Obviously people in the Dept of Education and in the city government are complicit.

He's not waffling,, everyone is complicit,, but it starts with family and moves up to all levels.

You would THINK the U.S. could copy something successful,, but Nooooooo.

Trying the same thing over and over and expecting a DIFFERENT result is the definition of CRAZY.

GUESS WHAT !!! I believe Colombia is heading in a similar direction. I've seen many similarities. Should Colombia fail in education, well,, lets say,, not good because an educated population would be Colombias best chance to compete in a world market.

PS: I'm laying this directly on the school teachers, their UNION and all the way to the top. There is WAY too much data that points this direction.

"When you men get home and face an anti-war protester, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she's dating a pussy." Quote - General Tommy Franks

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tomtom33 says on Mar 25, 2008, 02:09:

Shooting yourself in the foot by accident is one thing. Taking aim and pulling the trigger is quite another.

Who is responsible? We are.

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morphus says on Mar 25, 2008, 04:14:

Bronx High School of Science is a good school.

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Robert Jorge says on Mar 25, 2008, 07:07:

Who is at fault? I would say the teacher union. And I don't think that ALL schools that primarily have black or hispanic students are engineered to fail. But there are plenty of them in the larger cities and in certain regions of the US.

BEWARE of gold diggers.

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El Polo says on Mar 25, 2008, 07:40:

There is a significant H.S drop out in rate in NYC which speaks volumes for the general student popluation. The majority of inner-city kids are NOT interested in an education in the first place, most are just seeking social acceptance in or outside of the classroom. Shifting blame from the student to the city is irresponsible in my opinion. Granted, there are many obstacle for students who are interested in their school work, the majority of those obstacles are placed by fellow peers.

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El Polo says on Mar 25, 2008, 07:43:

http://www.insideschools.org/fs/school_profile.php?id=1004
http://www.insideschools.org/fs/school_profile.php?id=999
http://www.insideschools.org/fs/school_profile.php?id=1160
http://www.insideschools.org/fs/school_profile.php?id=996

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megs622 says on Mar 26, 2008, 20:07:

my vote is for McCain!!!

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goin_south says on Mar 26, 2008, 23:16:

Does anyone have a photo of a WAFFLE that they can lend to Rubito, for a new temporary avatar??

Where do we go from here?

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goin_south says on Mar 26, 2008, 23:17:

Let me tell you:
McCain Sucks.
Obamaa Sucks....and Hillary???
She really Sucks... and blows.

Where do we go from here?

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goin_south says on Mar 26, 2008, 23:25:

maybe not waffllin.. but, maybe... drinkin.. or tokin?

Where do we go from here?

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MitchAlvarez says on Mar 27, 2008, 14:58:

hillary doesnt suck??????????......... if she did then monica wouldnt be famous.

"Ingrid callate la jeta!! Stay in France"

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NataliaV says on Mar 27, 2008, 17:27:

jajaja...funny. never heard that one before.

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Juanes says on Mar 28, 2008, 07:45:

very funny mitch my sides are splitting.

hilary might suck the smoke from the marijuana joint her husband likes ot get high.

http://www.travelblog.org/Bloggers/Juanes/

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goin_south says on Mar 28, 2008, 23:20:

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romy says on Apr 2, 2008, 11:10:

April 2, 2008, 10:29 am
Obama Vows Opposition to Colombia Trade Deal

Nick Timiraos reports from Philadelphia, Pa. on the presidential race.

Sen. Barack Obama promised to stand firm in his opposition to the Colombia Free Trade Agreement on Wednesday–days after President Bush asked Congress to quickly pass the trade deal–in a speech to rally the union vote at the Pennsylvania AFL-CIO’s annual convention.
The Illinois senator said he would oppose the Colombia Free Trade Agreement “because the violence against unions in Colombia would make a mockery of the very labor protections that we have insisted be included in these kinds of agreements.�?
Unions have lobbied hard against the measure in part because of concerns of the deaths of trade unionists in Colombia. Congress passed a similar free trade deal with Peru in December. Obama and rival Sen. Hillary Clinton supported the deal but were not present to vote on it.
Obama told the union assembly that he was tired of unions “playing defense,�? but he also looked to set himself apart from Clinton, who spoke before the convention yesterday and compared herself to the fictional Philadelphia fighter Rocky Balboa.
“Let me tell you something, when it comes to finishing the fight, Rocky and I have a lot in common. I never quit. I never give up. And neither do the American people,�? Clinton said Tuesday.
Obama offered his own response this morning. “We all love Rocky. And last time I checked, I was the underdog in this state. So you know I like the Rocky story. But we got to remember that Rocky was a movie.�?
One point left unsaid by the candidates: Rocky lost.

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romy says on Apr 2, 2008, 18:42:

Colombia's President Criticizes Obama

57 minutes ago

BOGOTA, Colombia (AP) — Colombia's president sharply criticized U.S. presidential contender Barack Obama on Wednesday for opposing a trade deal with his country, calling the Democrat out of touch with the realities of the South American nation.

The White House is urging Congress to approve the agreement, which would remove most tariffs on American exports and cement Colombia's preferential trade status with the United States.

But Illinois Sen. Obama said Wednesday he would oppose the deal.

"I deplore the fact that Senator Obama, aspiring to be president of the United States, should be unaware of Colombia's efforts," President Alvaro Uribe said in a statement. "I think it is for political calculations that he is making a statement that does not correspond to Colombia's reality."

Obama and New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton are wooing labor union members as they campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination in Pennsylvania, where the primary is April 22.

"I will oppose the Colombia Free Trade Agreement if President Bush insists on sending it to Congress because the violence against unions in Colombia would make a mockery of the very labor protections that we have insisted be included in these kinds of agreements," Obama said Wednesday at a meeting of the Pennsylvania AFL-CIO in Philadelphia.

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